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Amen.

Praise the Lord!

Revelation 13:8

King James Version

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Does this mean there was a lamb up in heaven with it's throat slit before God said, "let there be light." ?

Of course not.

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

As you said, of a truth, all Christians (born again of the word 1Peter 1:23/ John 3:3 and baptized in Jesus' name and filled with His Spirit John 3:5/ Acts 2:38)

had glory with the Father before the world was. Does this mean we were physically or spiritually there with the Father in heaven? Of course not.

The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron.

Noone has ever pre-existed oneself.

If only people would (as your name suggests) read their bible, and stop listening to deceived men (theologians/ lying "pastors") they would be free indeed - John 8:31-32.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

It was over before it began.

Hallelujah!

Yes only ONE GOD .

It's so simple that many can't believe it . They need to make it so complicated, and we know confusion is of the Devil .

God is light not confusion.

The purpose of confusion is to distract away from the truth , that will lead you to more truth etc . That's why the spirit of error is on going . One step in the wrong direction and ten yrs later or less you are shipwrecked .

Amen! Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead! He says he knows not any:

Isaiah

40: 25

41: 4

42: 8

43: 10, 11,

44: 6, 8, 24

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22

46: 5, 9

48: 12

Praise Jesus!

All glory and honor to His mighty saving name! O/!

Thanks for the encouragement.

Yea we must proclaim the truth in love.

Ezekiel 33:6 KJV

But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Jesus is returning to catch up a virgin chaste spotless bride of believers who are baptized in His name & filled with His Spirit. I pray that I will persevere to the end and can warn & lead as many others as the Lord wills into the fold.

For He is also returning:

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that (a.) know not God, and that (b.) obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

2 Thessalonians 1:8

If someone believes Jesus Christ the Son of God is a "pre-incarnate" "co-equal" deity of a "triune" triple God, then they (a.) don't know God ( Matthew 7:21-22).

And if they haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ( Acts 2:38), then they (b.) haven't obeyed His gospel.

Be encouraged Sacha.

Be well, in Jesus' name.

Dear Chris,

A. Paul makes no reference to a warning about the Assyrian siege & hearing the word of God in other languages (the Assyrians were pagans, and the word of God was been only written in Hebrew).

Paul is showing forth that Isaiah's prophecy is showing that tongues are for a sign to them that believe not.

B. You say you appeal to the scriptures, yet cleave to doctrines of men such as Tertullian etc. Both Tertullian and Sabellius (originator of the oneness/modalism heresy) were theologians/witchdoctors & wolves crept in unawares.

There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

God was in Christ.

It doesnt say God was Christ or Christ was God. It says Christ was/is the Son of God. Flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you.

This is the very definition of the word Christ: the annointed one.

He was annointed with the Holy Spirit of His Father @ his baptism by John in the Jordan river. Hallelujah!

That was when the Word (God) was made flesh.

He then began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.

Furthermore as per the heretical doctrine of the "trinity": there are 3 "co-equal triune" deities.

Matthew 1:18 KJV

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

So did Jesus have two Fathers?

"God the Holy Ghost" AND God the Father (the only true God)..???

I beseech you in the name of Jesus Christ to come away from the teachings of men & rome (MYSTERY BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS) and all her "protestant" daughters, & read & believe the word of God AS IT IS WRITTEN.

This is your 2nd & final admonition.

I will pray for you, Chris, & I remain here for you in the gospel of Jesus Christ ( Acts 2:38)

Be well.

Chris,

I do concur that both eras have ended, apostolic and prophetic. We both know that there are groups that claim there are both prophets and apostles in existence today.

I myself know that can't be so. If I recall, without looking it up in the scripture, so please don't quote me on this, but the qualifications of an apostle was that he had to be there from the time of John's baptism, had to be chosen by Christ, and also had to be an eyewitness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. No one alive today can meet those qualifications.

And yes, we have the complete word of God in written form. The book of Revelation was the final prophecy given to us.

Personally, when I hear of a "prophet" today, and there are many who claim to be, I am not even interested in what they have to say. I am very cautious.

I know that God does not give new revelation or new prophecy. If He did, it would have to be added to the Bible, and we are given a stern warning about adding.

If God gives a so called "prophet" today a new revelation, it must be added to the scripture because if God gave it, it's His word.

But those who profess to be prophets, they won't go that far as to add it. Why not? Well, I think we know the answer to that!

Thanks Chris, always a pleasure to hear from you. The Lord is good!

Hi Jesse. It's good to catch up with you after such a long spell. I have heard about this re-defining of a modern day prophet: no more of a foreteller but a 'forthteller' of God's Word. I must confess, that I've always had difficulty in accepting this definition as it seems to be one of convenience so that Ephesians 4:11-13 might be 'better understood'.

Paul gives us a list (maybe not intended to be comprehensive) of those specially equipped by the Spirit "for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". And I note that the position of the Elders & Deacons (1 Timothy chap 3) are excluded from the list, indicating that their appointments were based on other criteria & not as a Spirit-enabled (but Spirit-led) provision.

Looking at Paul's list, the apostolic era was well & truly over (by the 1st Century) & could it also be the same with the prophetical era as God's Word was finally completed at the revelation given to John? So, the work of the Evangelist still goes on (& not referring to a believer's personal witness to someone), as also does the work of a Pastor & Teacher. I realize that there have been many 'prophets' over the centuries & even in recent times, but I always question their materiel & how accurate their prophecies have been. I'm inclined to think rather negatively about such claims, especially from their recent dismal showing.

So I tend to believe that the work of the Elder or Teacher of the Word is sufficient to fulfil the role of 'forthteller', in wisdom sharing what the Spirit desires to be taught to God's children.

Carleton,

I am not sure I understand what you are asking me?

Hi again Jesse. I am glad that Linda helped in this. It was was I also meant the other day when we wrote back and forth. God bless His ways in these simple vessels. My just posted question, I wish now I had included as a question, that when time ends after the seventh Angel sounds his trumpet, so does the ability to change anything more. What do you think?

Carleton

Linda,

I spent a couple of days reading scripture about prophets and prophecy and I may have come to a different conclusion and answer about modern-day prophets. You say you believe there are modern-day prophets. At first, I said I didn't believe that. But now, I think you may be correct. However, a prophet today has a different function than the prophets of old.

The word prophecy comes from the word prophet that just means to be a spokesperson for God, not on your own, but rather to speak God's word. The prophets of old, they would foretell. They would tell about the future.

But the prophets of the New Testament, especially around the time of John in the mid 90's A.D., it wasn't foretelling, it was forth-telling, telling forth the word of God, taking the book, and ministering the word of God.

So a prophet today would have a different function than the prophets of old. The book of Revelation is God's final prophecy given to man. It is His final message to the church before He comes back. There are no new prophecies after the book of Revelation. So a prophet today would be a person who takes God's written word and speaks forth the things that are already written.

So by a modern-day prophet, if you are referring to one who speaks forth the written word of God, I would agree to that. But if we are saying that a prophet today is someone who receives a new revelation or new prophecy from God, I would not be able to agree with that.

I now have a different view about "modern-day prophets" and I want to thank you for leading me to do a little more research on the subject.

God Bless!

This first scripture clearly warns that Satan will have power to deceive human beings with false signs, even tales of alien creatures, spaceships, mermaids, monsters, vampires, you name it. Cable and streaming tv are full of it.

Guard your mind, heart and eyes. Christians should not view slop on Saturday and sing in Church on Sunday. Don't let your kids watch it.

There is an alternative to watching Netflix. It's called PUREFLIX. I highly recommend it. It's not corny or lame. It's entertaining and doesn't pollute your soul. There's movies for the guys too! You can view the Free Trial for 10 days.

In Deuteronomy 28: God says, Choose Life, so that you and your children may live.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 - [Even him], whose coming is after the working of SATAN with all power and signs and LYING wonders,

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT (us).

2 Timothy 3:1-5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. (Read More...)

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Mark 13:22 - For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (YOU)

John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Good question? Whose signs and wonders are we watching?

Mishael

Revelation 2:11-16 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:18-23 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Should say Father God.

Why you still stuck......REVELATION......where are you going

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Jeremiah 4:13-14 Behold, He shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.

O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

Thank you Jesse, well you may have a Gospel twin that I have not seen in thirty+ years in the state north of here.

God bless your time and instructions.

Carleton

Carleton,

We do live in the same state, you being in the north end, me in the south, but I promise you that was not me!!!

Carleton,

Encouraging/building each other up is what it's about. You share things that are uplifting, and you do it with so few words. In fact, your short reply touched me in a very special way. It brought a tear to my eye where you said "I am weak no doubt," referring to yourself.

I think that brought some conviction to my own heart in that I don't confess that enough. I do thank you for that. Although that may not have been your intent, I believe the Lord works that way. I believe that's how he uses us.

Did you know that is when we are at the strongest point in our relationship with Christ; is when we confess our weakness before Him? He has a way of bringing us to that point!

My thoughts on what happens when the Church is lifted up are that we'll be part of the wedding feast taking place in heaven while the world is in chaos. I shared on here about a year ago the actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding. These 7 steps parallel the events spoken of in Matthew Chapters 24 and 25.

Here are the steps of a Jewish wedding:

1) The groom barters with the father of the bride.

2) If the bride approves of the wedding, she drinks from the Covenant Cup.

3) The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters.

4) The Father of the Groom decides when the living quarters are done. It can take a minimum of one year and a maximum of two years. The Groom can go get his bride when his father decides it is time.

5) When the marriage announcement is made, the people who have been invited to the wedding feast take positions along the parade route. They join the parade as it passes by.

6) When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar for the bride to come out to meet him. The wedding takes place at this time.

7) The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall and the door is shut.

I can expound, but I'm sure you'll make the connection!

Hello again Jesse, as I said you got me thinking. Have you ever bought oranges for making juice for donation purposes? You seem very familiar to me.

Carleton

My comment I just posted

Amen! Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead! He says he knows not any:

Isaiah

40: 25

41: 4

42: 8

43: 10, 11,

44: 6, 8, 24

45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22

46: 5, 9

48: 12

Study this.

Be blessed in Jesus name.

Hello Jesse, Thank you for my needed encouragement. I am weak no doubt. What are your thoughts of what happens when the Church is lifted up, she is the bride, will there be an immediate marriage and consummation?

Got me thinking again!

Carleton

Carleton,

You nailed it! People need to hear the message. There are two words side by side you wrote that really stood out; "God leads!" He leads. If we are doing it out of ambition or a sense of obligation, the Lord's not going to bless that. If He's not in it, then our labor is done in vain, even if we're "doing it for the Lord."

I agree that much Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled. 69 weeks have passed. We have not come to the 70th week yet. I believe the next event to happen is the rapture of the church. And from the rapture of the church until the second coming of Christ, it is called the 70th week of Daniel. We have had 69 weeks, 483 years. And those 483 years ended at the crucifixion of Christ.

But now, there is this time period which is called the time of the Gentiles, between the death of Christ, and His coming for His church. We don't know the time frame, but as soon as the church is removed, there will be seven years, one week in Jewish literature. There will be seven years of tribulation.

We're running this race together. Never be discouraged. We'll all reach the finish line because Christ sees to it. We just have to be careful how we run it because we will not all be rewarded the same.

Just as in Luke 9:51 where Jesus had His eyes fixed on Jerusalem. When it was time for Him to go and die, He was fixed to go to Jerusalem. You couldn't get Him off track. That's how we are to run our race, having our eyes fixed on Christ.

Hebrews 12:2, "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

He's the author and finisher. He saves us, sets the race before us, and sees it through to its completion. Sometimes the race is hard to run. We get sidetracked with everyday life and lose our focus. But we will finish the race no doubt. Christ in us will bring us to the finish line.

Have a blessed day in Christ!

The leaders in the time of Jesus were wicked pretenders of religion and Jesus exposed their hypocrisy:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. ( Matthew 23:15)

And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. ( Luke 11:39)

Jesus was perceived as a threat to the religious leaders so they conspired to kill him:

Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. ( John 11:47-48)

Even Pilate saw through their facade:

But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. ( Mark 15:9-10)

The great wonder of this is that God knew all this and worked it all together to provide the needed sacrifice for our sins through his Son Jesus Christ:

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. ( Acts 2:23-24)

Dear Brother Jesse, Thank you. I agree that there is nothing more needed for Man's salvation and keeping, than God's Word. Yet this Word needs to find it's way to the lost and I believe inspiration from God leads in this way how and when and what to say or write. Likely much Bible prophecy is already fulfilled possibly, way more than we realize. I have had visions and dreams that have helped to keep me to not be discouraged, to stay in the race to the finish.

God Bless your writing.

Carleton

I believe very much in the prophetic word spoken today

Hello Carleton,

I'm not sure the scripture supports there even being Minor Prophets after John the Baptist. I do believe that a person can still prophesy today, but that does not make that person a prophet in the true sense. To prophesy simply means to speak forth the word of God. Since we have the complete revelation of God given to us in His written word, there can be no new prophecy. We have to keep in mind the warning given towards the end of Revelation about adding to his word.

The problem with people claiming to be prophets today is that they will give you a message saying it's from God. What do we do with that? I mean if it's from God, we got to believe it, right? If it's from God, it's got to be true?

My brother, we have to be very careful and not fall into a trap. If a person who claims to be a prophet gives us a message and says it is from God, then we need to add it to the bible because it's His word. Again, we are warned not to do that.

I don't agree that there are prophets today, but I do agree that a person can prophesy, speak forth the already written word of God. The bible tells us to test all things to see if they are of God. How do we do that? Well, if a so-called prophet gives us a "Thus saith the Lord" prophecy, and it's nowhere to be found in the written word, that person is a false prophet, and Jesus said there will be many of them. I don't know of any place where our Lord said that there would be any true prophets that would come, only false prophets.

So I would have to say prophets-no, prophesy-yes!

Hi Jesse, I support most all that have written but I am left with a question. In preaching or even writing, as one brings forth inspiration from God, is that not a form of prophecy making the speaker/writer at least a very minor prophet?

In love, Carleton

Linda,

I'm not sure what a witness brother is but I would have to agree with him. I believe John the Baptist was the final prophet. John was the greatest of all the prophets.

Matthew Chapter 11 seems to indicate that the Old Testament administration or dispensation of the prophets is going to end with John. And a new administration, or a new dispensation, is going to start with Christ.

Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah who was to come. That is what Jesus said. He is making reference to Malachi 4:5 that tells us that Elijah will come before Messiah comes, and Elijah will be the forerunner to the Messiah.

But we have a problem!

In John Chapter 1, when the leadership sent people out to ask John, "Are you the Messiah?" John said, "No!" "Are you the prophet?" which by the way is also a term for the Messiah. Again John said no. "Are you Elijah?" He said no again.

Hmm, he is John the Baptist, but he is not Elijah? But Jesus said this is Elijah who was to come. So either John didn't know who he was, or he was confused, or something.

Even in Matthew Chapter 17 in the Transfiguration, when they came down off the hill, the disciples understood what Jesus said about John the Baptist, that John the Baptist was Elijah. But John said he isn't.

The answer is found in Luke 1:17 when the angel came to announce to Zacharias that his wife Elizabeth was going to give birth, which would be John the Baptist. And he said that he will come in the "spirit and power" of Elijah. He is going to have the same ministry as Elijah. He's not going to be Elijah personally, but he has the same ministry as Elijah.

You say you believe in modern-day prophets. If may ask you, what would you say their purpose would be?

The bible plan for speaking with tongues.

God gave visual signs throughout the bible of his presence.

God chose speaking tongues as a visual sign when you recieve the Holy Ghost!

Jesus said out of the abundance of your heart, the mouth speaks. Matthew 12:34.

When God gives you his Spirit, he puts it in your heart; Galations 4: 6.

So what is in your heart comes out of your mouth.

Jesus said:

Mark 16:17:

Believers will speak with new tongues.

Isaiah 28: 11, 12,

prophecied it is the rest/power, to cause the weary to rest; refreshing.

John 3: 5 - 7:

Jesus spoke about a new spiritual birth you will recieve when you are born again. Then he added: John 3: 8:

The WIND bloweth where it listeth, and thou HEAREST the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit.

Who did he say?

EVERYONE!

This scripture is fullfilled in Jerusalem in the upper room, the Holy Ghost was first poured out: Acts 2: 1 - 4:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a SOUND from heaven as of a rushing mighty WIND and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven TONGUES like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Here you see that SOUND from heaven as a rushing mighty WIND is Holy Ghost/speaking with other tongues!

Acts 2: 33:

Peter told the jews which were speaking in another tongue/language, this is the promise of the Holy Ghost that they now SEE(VISUAL SIGN), and HEAR(YOU WILL HEAR A SOUND.)

Acts 2: 16 - 19.

Peter told the jews the prophet Joel spoke about it.

Acts 8: 14 - 20:

Simon the sorcerer saw when Peter and John laid hands on jews, he SAW POWER(THE VISUAL SIGN) when they recieved the Holy Ghost, and offered money for it!

Acts 9: 17, 18,

Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a

Acts 21:10, 1 Corinthians 14:37, Titus 1:2, Ephesians 4:11, and 1 Corinthians 12:29. May you be blessed in Christ Jesus our Almighty Lord and Father and Saviour.