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Would you agree that baptism is a command?

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 3:21 KJV

Does this verse above say baptism doth NOT save us, or that it does? I didn't write this, God did. Are your words in perfect alignment with what God said here? Does it say that baptism is unimportant and should be avoided and definitely do NOT be baptized or does it say the opposite of that?

Mark 16:16

Acts 2:38

Matthew 28:19

John 3:5

Ephesians 4:5

It sure seems very important based on these verses, do you agree? Blatant disobedience is not a sign of a true Christian according to what the Bible says.

John 15:10

I've never understood how someone can call himself a Christian but aim to do the very minimum they assume they need to do in order to get to heaven. I don't think Jesus is a bare minimum type of being. He wants all of you like the greatest commandment says: Matthew 22:37-38. It doesn't say love God with only part of your heart and pick and choose whatever you're comfortable with in obeying and its totally cool if you don't do 50% of the stuff in the Bible. The life of a Christian is to be a slave to righteousness. It's not just a get out of hell free card to enjoy following satan and do whatever lust the heart desires. Most will cry Lord Lord at the end assuming they're saved, but will not be. These are people that tell everyone they're saved and will be devastated on how they got it wrong and actually didn't love Jesus like they claimed.

God's condescension in Christ

Philippians 2:2-11 goes through a detailed synopsis of how Christ; a member of the infinite Godhead came to earth and humbled himself to live as a man and to die on a cross. We often focus on how Christ's intimacy with the Father was affected; with the peak of course being at the crucifixion ( Matt. 27:46). The reverse; no doubt would have been excruciating for God the Father as well. For Christ to die for His enemies is beyond our comprehension; but for the Father in His eternal plans to plan on crushing the Son ( Isaiah 53:10) is also beyond our understanding. Yet God was "pleased" to do this!

The victory was complete; when He said "it is finished" and gave up his spirit at death. ( John 19:30). Death could not overtake Him ( Acts 2:24-32).

Looking at the entire earthly existence of Christ we see how profoundly He humbled Himself as a servant. One who created the heavens and the earth chose to live with total abandon to the cause; He had no place to rest His head ( Matt. 8:20). No doubt there were transient lodgings as recorded in scripture; the only place where it mentioned Him sleeping was on the boat ( Mark 4:38). Often He was up before dawn praying; and before He chose the 12 Disciples He was up all night ( Luke 6:12). Being the Son of God of course He knew all things; but nonetheless prayer was a key factor indicating communion with God. In the case of Peter Jesus prayed against the Devil's schemes ( Luke 22:32); in that case He knew about Peter's eventual restoration and strengthening of His brothers before the denial at Christ's trial took place. Doubtless He also prayed similar ways for the others; and clearly in these passages He knew all would betray Him as the prophecies indicate ( Matt. 26:31 from prophecy in Zech. 13:7). He also demonstrated the ultimate care for His mother ( John 19:25-29); but always put God above men's desires ( Matt. 12:46-50).

Hebrews 4:15 allows Him to intercede ( Heb. 7:25).

Hello Ronald.

I did understand your post, but I just wanted to point out the verses in Acts 2:32-33 which seem to say something different. Thanks for your reply.

Hi Giannis,

My understanding

The questions I posted and the scripture after them were in my understanding were answering the questions, sorry if that did not make sense or if they do not answer them for you.

Was Jesus baptized with the Spirit during His water baptism or before? It was not before it was after Jesus was water baptized and come up from the water He was then anointed with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:1 Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit and the Spirit led, meaning to lead, bring, carry so the Spirit led or carried Jesus to the wilderness. It may be similar to when Philip was whisk away, Acts 8:39

John 3:34 "for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him" Measure means limited so Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit with no limits like what we see in 1 Cor. 12 the diversities of gifts no one received them all, with Jesus there was no limit to the power of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:32-33 My understanding is this part of Peter's explanation of what people were seeing. Jesus made the promise that when He went back to the Father He would ask the Father to send the Holy Ghost/Spirit to them, Luke 24:49 John 14:26 Acts 1:4-8. They were seeing God's answer to Jesus's request to send the Holy Ghost/Spirit. I hope that makes sense.

The Father could not send the Holy Ghost/Spirit until Jesus was glorified John 7:39 and that was after He was resurrected, Jesus did not need the Holy Ghost/Spirit after He received His glorified body. When the Holy Ghost/Spirit left Jesus and went back to God in heaven if it was at Jesus's death or when, I do not know.

I hope this all made sense thank you for your reply.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald.

You stated, "Was Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit? When Jesus was baptized what happened? None of the gospels clearly state that Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit before His baptism Luke 2:40 is close but not affirmative. Why would Jesus need to be full of the Holy Ghost/Spirit? Philippians 2:5-8. Was Jesus the Messiah the Anointed One? Luke 4:18 Acts 10:38"

But my query is: Was Jesus baptized with the Spirit during His water baptism (or before that)?

I don't have a clear view on that, because a couple of scriptures seem to say a different thing.

The first is Luke 4:1, "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,", also John 3:34, "For he (Jesus) whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.".

But then again in Acts 2:32-33, it says "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received (this in greek is in the present tense) of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

The latter says that Jesus received the Spirit (the promise) after (or at) His resurrection and then started giving It to believers.

So does that mean that Jesus lost the Spirit while on the cross? But then again it says He received THE PROMISE of the Holly Ghost after His resurrection. So what was it that that He had before? Wasn't that the PROMISE? Maybe some other ministry of the Spirit? Maybe like the prophets of the Old Testament who had the Spirit ON them but not INSIDE them?

Or some other explanation exists? I Hope I haven't confused you. So what do you think?

Others are welvome to answer, too?

GBU

Hello Leed, You have mentioned several topics here and they are worth discussing. For me today, I will address you inquiry of the one who controls the earth today, it seems that you are implying an evil entity, Satan, is the one who does so.

I agree that Satan is at work in humanity and in the earthly realm to deceive, kill, and bring to destruction anyone he can. But I do not believe that he has any power that has not been allowed him by God. God could have destroyed him at anytime since his rebellion prior to creating humanity. But God has a wise purpose for allowing Satan to continue do harm to humanity and the earth.

Matthew 28:18, Jesus' words, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

Ps. 110:1 says of the Messiah, "Sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool." (also referred to in Matt.22:44; Acts 2:34)

Mark 14:62, Jesus states this when asked if He is the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? "I am. And ye shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." At this, the high priest roe his clothes and accused Jesus of blasphemy.

Eph. 1:19-21 "And What is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this worl, but also in that which is to come."

Leed, these verses (and many others) tell me that Jesus is the Sovereign Ruler of all heaven and earth. He is on His heavenly throne with all power and authority over all this has been created. He will reign until all enemies are put under His feet (vanquished, defeated, and judged). Then Jesus will hand His eternal kingdom and reign over to the Father. ( 1Cor. 15:24-28).

Satan, though named as the 'god of this world' does not control it, God does,

Brother Adam:

What is man SAVED from?

The wages of SIN is DEATH.

What is SIN?

Psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Hebrews 10:16 And this is the covenant I will make with them, after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS in their hearts, and in their minds I will write them:

Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

So what is the SIN that results in death.

James 2:7 Do they not blaspheme thy Holy NAME by which ye are called?

Revelation 13:6 And he open his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme HIS NAME ....

John 16:8 And when HE (the Holy Ghost) is COME, he (the Holy Ghost) will reprove the world of SIN ....

So what is SIN that leads to death? ....blasphemy of the Holy Ghost by whose NAME ye are CALLED.

Acts 2:38 .....REPENT (of your beliefs) and be baptised in the NAME of Jesus ......

John 16:9 Of SIN because the BELIEVE not on me (the promised SEED of God), the ROD that CAUSES man to do the WILL of God.

Man does't BELIEVE that Christ came as SINFUL FLESH (you and I and all creation): and DIED on the cross.

Three days later Christ ONLY arose; and all creation were joint heirs with Christ's resurrection, all creation bears the NAME of Christ, because they were made ONE with Christ, blaspheming that name leads to DEATH.

The whole world is DEAD in sin (UNBELIEF).

God bless you

Mr. Landry,

Based upon what you are saying, what is the current condition of believers such as Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, all those whom Christ has saved and have died. Are they alive in their physical bodies somewhere?

How do you understand the passages in the scripture that clearly state these believers experienced physical death, and they're physical bodies were buried?

I do understand the Bible clearly teaches that all of these believers are indeed alive in their Resurrected soul existence, and currently residing in their soul existence with Christ in heaven, awaiting the last day, when they will receive their glorified spiritual bodies at the resurrection of the last day. That I think is very clear from the Bible.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The First Resurrection in Revelation 20 is becoming Born Again.

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-Therefore, Jesus Christ the son of God could not be born to the Hindus for they worship Idols neither to the Romans and the greeks even unto the Africans and the Australian aboriginals or any other tribe or nation of the world for all had a form of Ido worshiping including the Brittanica tribes

For there is one God who is living and there is none like Him from the heavens and to the earth as it is written in

Deuteronomy 32:39

See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: Neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

-God created from Abraham a new nation and guided them with the law and setting them apart and district from all the tribes of the world and from Abraham's children we have the 12 son of Jacob who later multiply and becomes a Great nation and still unique and not integrating with the rest of the world and even after their exile in 70Ad by the romans. who changed their lands name from isreal to Palestine they still remained a unique nation. While they were scattered across the world and Europe and by the fulfilment of God's word written in the Book of Jeremiah the prophet, the nation of Israel was reborn back into exitance in 1948.

-Therefore, Jesus Christ the son of the living God was born form the Jews and died on the cross in Israel and rose and acceded in Heaven still a Jew and He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah and forevermore Amen salvation is from the Jews. anyone who is not a Jew is called a Gentile.

it is written in John 4:22

22.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

I pray that God will touch your heart for understand Amen

it is written in Acts 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

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5. as it has been mentioned earlier by brother S.Spencer (but the battle isn't over as long as we're in the world.) and Satan knows that his time is at hand thus taking any opportunity to make sure those who don't know GOd are still in their ignorant state and those who serve God are not effective in their service. This is sad realty, but we are witnessing all this with our naked eyes.

In conclusion we are caught up in battle that is not earthly but universal and the fall of Satan that occurred in the heavenly's will one day reach it climax and today we are witnessing the intensification of it but bear in mind that our victory Cames from the Lord who is our shield and salvation and at the cross we overcame him by the blood of the LAMB and our testimonies which we have fought we are fighting individually and we are committed thus we don't love things of this world for we know all this will came to an end but eternal life is in Jesus Christ the son of the living God and found at the cross by repentance for He is the way the truth and Life.

Therefore, what should we do then? we need to stand strong; we need to be still and know that He is God and put on the whole armor of God and if God is on our side who can be against us.

it is written in James 4;7-8

Therefore, submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

it is written in Acts 2:38

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Amen.

Brother David921

David DID NOT go to heaven when he physically died.

Acts 2:34 David IS NOT ASCENDED into the heavens .....

Acts 2:29 Men and Brethren, let me speak to you freely, the patriarch is DEAD and buried ....

John 3:13 No man hath ascended into heaven, but he which came down from heaven and is now in heaven.

ALL MEN ARE DEAD

ONLY Christ arose; we are joint HEIRS, you don't exist OTHER than being the BODY CHRIST DWELLS IN.

A NEW CREATION, as the FATHER and SON are ONE, you are now ONE IN THEM.

This is the GOSPEL, the KINGDOM of GOD, Christ in you, sinful flesh DIED on the cross, ONLY Christ arose, a New creation arose.

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY has IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light .... in the presence of God ......

This mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY ....

Ephesians 4:4 ....ONE body .... ONE spirit ......

Ephesians 4:6 .... ONE GOD .... Father of ALL ... above ALL ... through ALL ...in you ALL ...

ONE .... GOD ..... ALL in ALL ......

God bless you as he bring you to TRUTH.

You are replying to a comment by "Bagwill" 5 days ago:

Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers.

MOUNTHOREB REPLY: Woman can prophecy not new info outside of the scriptures 2 Timothy 3:15-17. However, They preach what they have learned to others outside of the church or congregation. When asked a question about the bible. a woman can reply to anyone who is asking the question. even if it's a man, elder 1 Timothy 3 or someone in authority. but within the church or congregation 1 Timothy 3, a woman does not have authority over a man to speak to the whole church or Congregation 1Timothy 2:11,12,14 (unless there's no men available, if this is the case she covers her head within the congregation to PREACH 1 Corinthians 11:5;16 because of the angels in heaven) however, Outside of the building, yes a woman can teach others outside (family, neighbors etc.) Acts 2:16,17.

Jesus allowed women to speak to him and listen. even sit at his feet and ask questions. he allowed woman to speak and listened to them. and to follow him as he preached. Luke 1:36-38; John 4:7-54; John 11:20-29; John 20:11-18; Acts 1:14; Luke 8:1-3; Luke 10:38-42; Romans 16:1-5; Acts 18:2; Acts 18:24-26;

In marriage: Ephesians 5:21-33

These are all the scriptures I can think of. Revelation 22:17 "Its free"

Hello

Gailee Question: does the Bible say that there is Woman Angels?

You are MountHoreb replying to a comment by "Gailee":

Angels are Spirits ( John 4:24) in Heaven Jesus explains at Matthew 22:29,30.

if you read about a women in heaven like Revelation 12:1,2 This is symbolic or illustrating the point revelation 1:1.

However, Angels can materialize into a human. or turn themselves into human flesh. we have an

example of the bad Angels who forsook their assigned positions in heaven to have sex with the beautiful woman

on earth. they "took wives" for themselves. according to Genesis 6 these angels are called "Sons of God" because they were created in heaven. Although Angels are either male nor female. descending to earth, angels have this ability. again these are angels who went evil or bad. who went against Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) like Satan the serpent! Matthew 4:1-11; Ephesians

A few examples of Good Angels who had a earthly assignment: Genesis 18 and 19 Chapters.

"Three Men" are materialized good angels. in verse 19 the angels in Sodom struck the mob of boys and old men

who wanted to have sex or lie down with them. so which means these mob of males saw these angels as Males.

There is no scripture that shows that that angels ever materialized into females. for the simple fact that Adam was created first as the Male. Eve was a helper to him, created so he will not be alone. Genesis 1:26; Genesis 2:18; Genesis 5:1,2; Ephesians 5:23; 1 Timothy 2:13,14. However, women on earth are valuable to God also: Acts 2:17

so the overall point here is, No there is no woman in heaven, nor men, nor children. for they are

all angels in heaven as JESUS SAID.

I HOPE These scriptures help. Thanks.

Hiya Milton....I cannot see how there cd be a physical or literal rapture....When dozens of scriptures speak of the Kingdoms of this WORLD becoming the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....Rev.11:15 is just 1 of them...John said he was in the spirit on the lords day...But his body went no where.... Rev. 5:10....He has made us unto our God kings and Priests that we shall reign on the Earth....And God sends an angel to preach the everlasting Gospel to all that dwell on the Earth.. Rev. 14:6.....And Sends the manchild that spirit of truth which is the H.G. to rule all nations with a rod of iron...Which is the word of God that cannot be broken..That New Covenant that Jesus wrote WITH his own blood at Calvary....There is absolutely nothing wrong with this beautiful earth....Its mans carnal minds that is in rank with satan that needs to be destroyed....Thus his baptism of the H.G. and fire....As our God is a consuming fire ...That new heart and new spirit is what is needed...That New Creature The gift of the H.G...I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh... Joel 2 :28....Then we will all march together and not break rank as Joel tells us...As Jesus says if i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me....That New Covenant as Gods says i will know them ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST... Jeremiah 31:34...And they shall ALL be taught of God...The anointing which is the H.G THE GIFT OF God....

.....They met him in the air/wind on the day of Pentecost Acts 2:2...but that Mighty rushing wind/air was the H.G. which is spirit....Not A LITERAL AIR OR WIND....But the Spirit....As the gift of God is the H.G. which is Spirit ....Thus we meet him in the spirit right here on this earth....As the kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ...And he shall reign for ever and ever... Rev 11:15...Thank you Jesus....

Pt 2 Ghris

2. Spirit Baptism.

Tongues on Pentecost, in the case of Cornelius, in Ephessus. In Samaria although the text doesn't reveal anything about external signs, Simon the sorcerer must had seen something happening, otherwise he wouldn't try to bribe the apostles. He saw or heard something. ...?...

THE WAY NEW BIRTH AND SPIRIT BAPTISM OCCUR

1. New Birth

Going back to that discussion Jesus said that new birth occurs by the "water" and the "Spirit'. Now about the Spirit it is clear it means God's Spirit. Water?

Ephessians 6:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

Peter 1:23, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Also James 1:18, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

So when one hears the living Word of God, that Word produces repentance in their heart and desire for a new clean life with Jesus, then next the Spirit of God regenerates their heart.

2. Spirit Baptism.

On Pentecost during praying.

In Cornelious' case when hearing the Word of God. This is the only case that matches with the way new birth occurs.

In Samaria when the apostles laid hands on believers. Similarly in Ephessus. Similarly in Paul himself.

In Luke 11:11-13, "...if ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?". So when we ask God in prayers to baptize us in His Spirit.

WHEN?

When Peter preached to Jews on Pentecost He clearly places Spirit Baptism after believing and getting water baptised, Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Also verse 41 says that all of them got water baptised afterwards.

S Steven....You are not realizing what Peter is saying in Acts 2:34....David is dead and his grave is with us till today...This 2nd Samuel 7:12 is prophetic that Christ is gonna sit on Davids throne....And its the Child that comes out of Christ loins that is gonna reign for ever and ever...Which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....When Jesus breath on them his breathe was his words which are his seeds...That what Peter is trying to tell us in Acts 2:34...For David is not ascended into the heavens but he saith himself the Lord said unto my lord sit thou at my right till i make your foes your footstool....This 2 nd Samuel is telling us that a special Son is gona come out of DAVIDS LOINS...That is gonna reign forever and ever....But Solomon died at 58 hardly reigning for ever....But solomon was allowed to build the temple...And Psalms 89 is also telling us that Christ is gonna reign for ever but it Uses the name of DAVID INSTEAD OF Christ...I will make him my 1st born higher then the Kings of the earth....Thats prophetic of Christ, Gods 1st born in the flesh....David was not a 1st born....But all thru the 89th Psalm instead of saying the lord it refers to David as the lord....Thats how God hid this great secret that a very special son was gonna come out of Christ loins...Which is to the H.G. that is gona reign for ever...The manchild that is gonna rule all nations Rev. 12:5 is prophetic of that great promise that a special son that is gona come out of Christ loins....It was his seed his word that impregnated the woman in Rev 12 :5 Resulting in her Child that is gona reign and rule FOREVER.

....Fulfilling 2 nd Samuel 7-12....And the 89 th Psalms.... Acts 2 :34...Thats what Peter was trying to tell all the ppl its not David that is ascended into heaven...His tomb is with us till today...Its Christ and his son the H.G. that Child of Promise that is gonna rule and reign for ever..The Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild that is gonna rule all forever..

Hiya.... S.Spencer....But i disagree that these Promises are literal.... Gen. 15:1...When God told Abraham i am thy great and exceeding reward that puts in the spiritual realm as God is Spirit...And my words are spirit and life Jesus said.....As Jesus said abide in me and i in you...Its not about a literal land...As Jesus said you must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed....And its not about a literal David....As David was a corruptible being....Thats y Peter is saying in Acts 2:27 Davids tomb is with us to this day...The bible just uses King David as a prophetic of King Christ Jesus...We do not wanna be bornagain by the seed of David...But by the seed of Christ Jesus....And there is no more Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus....God so loved the world....that he gave his only begotten son...We are looking at a heavenly Jerusalem NOW not the old Jerusalem...As Paul said you are come unto mt Zion the city of the living God...That Heavenly Jerusalem... Hebrews 12 :22...But its located with in us....In our hearts and minds are beautiful for situation the joy of the whole world... Rev. 11:15...And i heard a mighty angel saying the KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD HAVE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD AND HIS CHRIST...When David said thou will not leave my soul in hell nor suffer thy holy one to see corruption, It was just prophetic that Christ was not left in hell nor wd God suffer his Holy One to see corruption....It was not about a literal DAVID....But Christ was not left in hell nor did his soul see corruption...Had it been literal King David wd have neva died....Read Acts 2 :27...Peter explains its....But here is the real revelation of all this...Who is the Son that comes out of Christ Loins that is gonna rule and reign for ever ....Its the H.G. That Child of Promise as that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT...The H.G.is that child that comes out of Christ loins...When he breathe on them they received the H.G....His breath was his words his seeds...She brought forth a manchild.

Pt 2

Spencer.

Lets assume your are right about people in Samaria. So how about the apostles? Weren't they born again before Pentecost? But Jesus called them clean during the last supper i.e. in John 13:10.

When Peter preached to the Jews on Pentecost he said at the end, Acts 2:38, "..., Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.". Shall I assume that Peter said to people to just have a knowledge about Christ then get water baptised and then get born again? Hard to believe. I don't think there is any christian church of any denomination that teaches such a sequence of salvation.

Question. What is baptism? In Colossians 2:12 says "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.".

Also in Romans 6:3-7, "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: ..."

So the baptism among other is symbolic for the burial of our old sinful man and the subsequent erection of the new man. But we bury something that is dead not alive. Baptism has to come after the death of the old man, not before.

Lets go to that incident that Paul met those disciples in Ephessus.( Acts 18:1-7). He asks them if they received the Spirit after they believed? Strange question, isn't it? He also asumes that they were water baptised, because he asks tthem in what name they were baptised. (since they told him that they had never heard of the Holly Spirit, he wonders how come they had never heard of it since we are baprised in the name of the Father, the Son and HTE HOLLY SPIRIT). So Paul assumed in the begining that they were also w/baptised.

Hi GiGi,

Your post is on point, fulfilling the Law and the Prophets, Jesus and Paul used that saying many times. This is not to generate a back-and-forth; just thought you might want to look at it. I agree the transformation was awesome and like you said we have the law and the prophets and the Messiah in the middle a true picture of the fulfillment of scriptures by the Messiah, Jesus.

I have heard it said by many, Moses and Elijah were there and were alive and I have a hard time understanding that. Does it matter? This was before the resurrection of Jesus and Jesus is the firstfruits of those who slept, 1 Cor. 15:20. So, before Jesus defeated death and was resurrected no person who ever lived had not ascended to heaven, John 3:13.

Paul tells us in Acts 2:29,34 David is dead and buried and has not ascended to heaven. How do we explain Enoch and Elijah being taken? There are some things about that like them being the two witnesses, but I do not know, by the scriptures, I have not found it. But if Moses, after he died, Deuteronomy 34:1-5, was taken up to heaven Jesus would not be the firstfruits.

We see this in Matt. 17:9 Mark 9:9 Jesus said it was a vision and do not tell anyone what they saw and in Luke 9:32 they were heavy with sleep and John did not write about it. All three covered the cloud, (the Shekinah Glory), and what God said, "This is my beloved Son: hear him." Peter also repeats it in 2 Peter 1:15-18. Was it a vision? Was it to reinforce their faith?

Like I said, this is not to start a ruckus, I just cannot get an understanding of Moses and Elijah alive and being there when John wrote this after Jesus had ascended, because he said Jesus was in heaven; only Jesus who came down is the only one who has ascended to heaven, John 3:13.

In love thank you for what you do.

God bless,

RLW

Pt 3

Spencer.

Well this is what the verse in Mark 16:16 says, "He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

Note that it says "believe and be baptised", not just "believe". Similarly on Pentecost Peter said to the Jews, Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, AND BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.". So we must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus to have our sins forgiven and be saved.

In Romans 10:9, says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.". That confession the scripture talks about is done during baptism. It is what that eunuch confessed just before Philipp baptised him, Acts 9:37, "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

In w/baptism a believer is making a public confession of their faith to Jesus. It is a "must" so that the remission of sins is completed.

Just for information the early church wrote many creeds of faith. One of the them was the Nicene Creed written in 325 AD in Nicea (in Asia Minor). Among others it says "We affirm(aknowledge or confess) one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.". Creeds were a sum of the major points of faith believed by the early church. I know many do not want to have anything to do with those creeds but still it shows what the church believed in the early 3rd centuary, not so long after Jesus came on earth.

Tomorow I will come back with Baptism of the Holly Spirit.

Just one question. In the incident that Phillip went to Samaria and preached the gospel to them, when do you think those people were born again?

GBU

Pt 2. Jesse

Next. Were the apostles born again when Jesus was with them? John 13:10, "Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.". So they were "clean". That means they were already born again and saved. Judas here is not called clean not because he wasn't saved but because he was already sinning. How do we know that? Because Jesus washed Judas feet as well, but not Judas' whole body.

So they were saved. Were they w/baptized?

There are so many cases in Acts that show how important water baptism is. The apostles always asked believers to be water baptized as soon as they believed.

1) The incident with Phillip and eunuch,

2) Peter preaching at Pentecost, Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.",

3) the incident with Cornelius, Acts 10:47, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?",

4) Philipp in Samaria, Acts 8:12, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.",

5) Paul himself, Acts 9:18, "And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized."

6) Paul with the disciples in Ephessus, Acts 19:3, "And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism"

7) And most important of all is the commadment Jesus gave to apostles before His departure, Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

Dear Alysasamaksm,

Jesus instructed His disciples to make disciples of all nations (through the gospel) and to baptize these disciple in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and for them to teach these disciples all that He commanded of them. Matt. 28:19.

Alyssa,we are to believe the truth about Jesus for salvation, which is the gospel message of His sinless life to fulfill all the requirements of the laws for us, His physical suffering and death on the cross to satisfy the offense of our sins to God and bring forgiveness of sins, and His bodily resurrection, that brings to us justification before God and the guarantee that we will be resurrected bodily and be glorified at His second coming. We are to believe that He is God in the flesh, the eternal Son of the Father who, though God and Spirit, became man while keeping all His divinity, to be our Saviour according to the promises made throughout the Old Testament.

Alyssa, these are the basic beliefs for one to believe for salvation. We are to believe that our salvation lies solely in Jesus and we receive this salvation by faith through grace upon receiving the truth of the gospel. Water baptism is a command of Jesus26:20for those who come to faith in Him. ( Matt. 28:19)

Peter preached as such in His sermon at Pentecost. ( Acts 2:28) and again in Acts 3:19. Paul preached as such in Acts 17:30 and 20:21 and 26:20. Preaching repentance and turning to God in faith in Jesus through the gospel message. The practice of those who believed was to be baptized following conversion.

So, while it is not absolutely necessary for salvation for one to be baptized, Jesus did command believers to be baptized, just as He commanded people to believe in Hm to be saved. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward spirtual cleansing and of being crucified with Christ and buried (thus the waters of baptism) and raised with Christ (thus the coming out of the waters of baptism) and seated with Him in the heaven.

One thing that has helped me so much in understanding a verse or passage is to identify it's place on the biblical time line. The bible is a historical account of God's plan from first to last. For example Acts 2:23 tells us Jesus was delivered by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God to be delivered to wicked hands and crucified. In other words, it was done on purpose at the time decided by in advance by a heavenly council and God. Daniel was told the very day Jesus would ride into Jerusalem.

What I have done to help me avoid getting mixing up is to draw a simple time line with my pencil so I know what is going on at the place I am reading. My time line begins on the left with creation ( Gen 1:1) and ends on the right with the creation of the new heaven in Revelation. Abraham was called about 2000 BC, ( Gen 12) then Moses let the children of Jacob (Abraham's descendants) out of Egypt around 1400 BC and and after that the first book in the bible was written at at Mt. Sinai to whom? written by whom? why? ( 2 Tim 3:16). Was every group of people who learned of that verse act act the same way? Why or why not? Have fun.

Thanks for the response Gigi.

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That's a good point you make,

However, Here's a few issues with that view,

1) The day of the Lord is mentioned 31 times in the bible, 26 times in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament.

To my knowledge nowhere in scripture it mentions any removal of the saints.

Here's a few.

Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5) and several times in the New Testament ( Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages ( Revelation 6:15-17; 16:14).

In 2 Peter 3:3-18 we are told the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, and holding back his wrath not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Notice something in verses 11 and 12.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? ITS A QUESTION!!

The answer is NO!

Here's what were looking for;

Verses 13-16.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

See part 2 and the second issue I have with that view.

Jimbob everything you are saying is true but the clouds are ppl right here on this earth....Clouds is just symbolic language for ppl that have that living water....That latter rain doctrine ...As 2 thess.1:10 He shall be glorified in his saints that are living right here on this earth....Not in literal clouds....ya gotta keep everything in context.... Rev. 11:15....The Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever....Why wd you want to go into the literal clouds when he is gona be glorified in his Saints as 2 thess 1:10 tells us when he comes....Clouds is just symbolic language for ppl that have that latter rain doctrine that is gonna flood this earth but the rain is spirit...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh...Jimbob we donot need to leave this earth....As the kingdom is gonna be right here on this earth..The Kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...Right here on this earth Rev 11:15...We will meet him in ppl that have the Spirit the H.G....There is no need to go into the clouds as his KINGDOM is right here on the earth....Thats y he sends the manchild to rule all nations...And he sends the angel to preach the everlasting gospel to ALL THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH Rev. 14:6..Thus his kingdom will truly be right here on this earth...Jim God is spirit thus we can only meet him in the Spirit..Thus the clouds are just symbolic for ppl that have been bornagain and have that latter rain doctrine the spirit ....Jimbob there wd be no need for us to leave this earth if the Kingdoms of this world are gonna be come the kingdoms of our lord and his Christ...Air is just symbolic language for the Spirit....As Jesus likens the wind for the spirit and the wind is just AIR...Thus the air/wind is just symbolic for the spirit John 3 :8....That Mighty rushing wind was the H.G. in Acts 2:2....The house was filled with the Spirit. Stay n context.

I hope this helps:

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Is the church the elect? ( Isa 45:4) This verse gives us two key words ((elect)) and ((called)) The word ((elect)) in Hebrew is #972; it means select, choose, chosen one, (choice) The word ((called)) is #7121; it means to call out loud, properly ((TO ADDRESS BY NAME)), that are bidden, call (for, forth, self, upon) This verse also tells us God (called) His (elect) out loud by name. ( Mk 13:20) This verse gives us two key words also ((elect's)) and ((chosen)) The word (elect's) in Greek is #1588; it means select, by implying favorite, chosen, to select, make choice, choose (out) chosen. The word (chosen) is #1586; it means to select, make choice, choose (out) This verse tells us that God has (chosen) His (elect) in whom their names will be called out loud! ( Acts 2:47) The word (church) is #1577; from "2564" it means a calling out, "2564" to call aloud , to "call" aloud, call (forth) whose sur- name (was (called) Now remember ( Isa 45:4) Tells us "For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine (elect), I HAVE EVEN CALLED THEE BY THY NAME: I HAVE SURNAME THEE, though thou hast not known me.". Do you all see this? The (elect) are called out by name and the word (church) true meaning says (whose surname was called) ( Col 3:12-15) Verse 12 Tells us God is speaking of His (elect) Verse 15 Tells us the (elect) are (called) in one (body) The word (body) is #4983; it means the body (as a sound whole) "safe" to save, i.e. deliver or protect. ( Col 2:17) "the (body) is of Christ". So the (body) of Christ are those who are (called) out loud by name, the (chosen) the (church) the (elect) These Scriptures are saying the church is the elect. The elect are gathered together in ( Mt 24:29-31) Immediately after the tribulation. Those who do not agree with this just "Please" show where this is wrong ((by Scripture)) Blessings. Truth matters!

Hello, I believe the largest % of Christians say no, but what's most important is what the Bible says about it, not just what a group of people say. Is water baptism a command from God? Yes. Acts 2:38, 1 Peter 3:21, John 3:5, etc.

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Of course you will have people get excited about this, twist scripture, and try to convince you that its not important- that was the Bible says isn't what it says. Is the goal of Christianity to obey Jesus or to disobey? I would think those who genuinely love Jesus would just do what He says. John 14:15.

It was important enough that Jesus himself was baptized and told everyone else to. I would see only upside in doing it and a downside in stubbornly refusing to. Another question worth asking is would you ask Jesus the same question, even though He already said to do it? Hope that is helpful. God bless.

how do you know you are truely speaking in tongues and not just jeburse?

is it becuse ,you feel that bubble up in your stomach first?

Wisdom for the coming days.

We have a basic exhortation as a people to be the "head" instead of the "tail" (see Deut. 28:13). As a church; we should be willing to support the brethren especially when we can see trouble coming as we see in Acts 2:45 similar to what was predicted by Agabus in Acts 11:28. Wisdom is something the Lord will give us if we ask ( James 1:5). That may apply currently to extracting finances or money from risky investments or bank accounts to have some on hand; to have emergency food supplies and a generator at hand; precious metals for trade; etc.

Our political leaders are not to be worshipped either (I am leaving names out here). There is enough at fault in both sides of the political spectrum. Whether it is possible at this point for anyone of integrity to lead our nation and for that person to win the party nomination (again no names here) is something I am not placing any bets on. Proverbs 16:18 warns us that pride comes before a fall; and certainly there is enough of that to go around. People hear what they want to hear; but those of the house of the living God will hear His voice ( John 10:27). When we hold on to this life too much; we forget that we are "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:6). That is a present state; but our future hope in glory is brought forth by natural death or martyrdom. I am convinced that we would never see the harvest of innumerable saints ( Rev. 7:9) if the 5th seal event and later killings of the Antichrist for not taking the Mark were not instituted. Apparently; "tribulum" means a threshing board using in harvest for separation purposes. Satan will be used as God's instrument to finally bring the wheat to fruition in the heat of the fires of that trial ( Rev. 3:10). As for now we should heed to the admonition of the very next verse as rewards can and will be lost for those who don't remain patient and are distracted by things of this world today. May we keep our eyes on Him.

Agape.