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Deborah in the book of Judges. Ruth in the book of Ruth. Rehab in the Joshua chapters 2 and 3.Hannah in I Samuel chapters 1 and 2. Abigail in I Samuel chapter 25. Michal(not so good example) in II Samuel chapter 6. Jezebel(wicked) I Kings chapters 19-22, and II Kings chapter 9.New Test. Mary(mother of Jesus), Mary with the alabaster box Matt. 26, Mark 14, John 12. Small list of women ministered to Jesus found in Luke chapter 8. The adulterous woman in John 8. Acts 1:13-14(list of women). Dorcus Acts 9:36-42. Rhoda and some women Acts 12:11-16. Lois and Eunice 2 Timoty 1:1-6. Hoped this helps! God Bless!

Precious Rick: "sorry was not following conversation correctly...5 called saul "out, vs 6 saul trembling the word is tremo absolute terror, this guy went from no fear bold as brass to absolute terror because his head says whats going on but still says what do you want me to do. No where in that whole conversion did the lord beat/condemn him, why because he was doing it out of ignorance." It's ok:

So, in "that whole conversion" you say Paul "was NOT Saved" Until later, when "Ananias laid hands on him, and he was healed physically and was baptized spiritually"?

1) I believe he was saved/converted, and had the "INDWELLING Holy Spirit, BAPTIZED as the FIRST member" {our 'pattern' ( 1 Timothy 1:16) for God's NEW Dispensation Of GRACE!}, And Today's Body Of CHRIST, ON the road {church Birthday!}, By JESUS' Pure MERCY, because that's where he proclaimed: "LORD, what wilt thou have me to do?" ( Acts 9:6).

We do know THIS Scripture: "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by The Spirit of God calleth JESUS accursed: and that no man can say that JESUS Is The LORD, but 'BY' The Holy Ghost." ( 1 Corinthians 12:3), Correct?

Thus, IF Paul DID NOT have The Holy Spirit, THEN he would NOT have said: "LORD," Correct?

2) Now, about Ananias {a "devout man according To The LAW!" Acts 22:12}, this could NOT have been the salvation/conversion above, and The ONE Baptism 'BY' The Holy Spirit, because when he "laid hands {NOT our 'pattern'} on Saul," he "received The FILLING of The Spirit, the SAME as The Twelve apostles received, CHRIST Baptizing them 'WITH' The Holy Spirit, For "power, signs, and wonders," Which Were In Effect, "Confirming The Word," UNTIL The Scriptures Were Completed. This was done by Paul, "fulfilling/Completing" The Scriptures With Romans-Philemon = God's Revelation Of The MYSTERY! ( Colossians 1:25-26).

3) Thus, ALL the THIRTEEN apostles had this power to CONFIRM CHRIST's Messages In Which LAW Disappeared as GRACE Came to be IN FULL EFFECT! Amen?

Hello Rick. I agree with your understanding of Ephesians 4:5. The 1 Corinthians 1:15-17 passage, I believe speaks of a water baptism, as in almost all cases of baptism, it refers to water baptism (e.g. Romans 6:3-5; 1 Peter 3:21; Colossians 2:12). Where the "hands of the apostle" were laid upon someone that is clearly a reference to an impartation of the Spirit (Spirit baptism) ( Acts 8:14-17; Acts 9:17; Acts 19:1-6). Or, as in Ephesians 4:5 (as you showed), plus 1 Corinthians 12:13. And yes, re-birth happens after one repents, believes, calling upon the Lord Jesus - there is no Grace communicated through water baptism.

Indeed, Acts 9:17,18 mentions the word 'baptism' & it could go either way, though I see it as Paul being water baptized. And then Acts 22:12-16, Paul rehearses the same event & speaks of him being instructed to "arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord". Do you see water baptism here or is still Spirit baptism?

The Acts 15 account, was about those men from Judaea & the believing sect of the Pharisees (v5), who wanted Gentile converts to be first circumcised & to keep the Law before they could be saved. But the decision was that neither was required (by the New Covenant in the Blood), except "that they (the Gentiles) abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (v20). Those are my thoughts anyway, in response. The Lord bless you.

ChrisE Another point in Acts 9:17 Ananias put his hands on him and said brother Saul he would have never said that unless God showed him by revelation that he was going to believe and receive also what a tremendous greeting of love, because if I were Saul I would still have been in absolute shock. So God had to comfort Ananias so Ananias could bless Saul absolutely incredible the way God worked. That word Filled is pletho which is to make full internally, its good stuff. In His Service

spongeRick: "When Paul was born again in Acts 9:17+18 in verse 18 the word baptize is baptizo which can be translated on or in depending on context."

The spongeChrisE understanding It Is Written - Did you mean Acts 9:17-18? :)

Q: Was not Paul saved ON the road to Damascus ( Acts 9:3-6), By God's GRACE And MERCY ( Titus 3:4-7), thus making him OUR "pattern" Under GRACE ( 1 Timothy 1:16), and The Body Of CHRIST, 'Beginning The ONE NEW man' {a 'Different GRACE Entity' than the LAW assembly at Pentecost?}, with Paul ( Ephesians 2:15)?

Because, IF the "pattern" is to have a Spirit-filled Jew to HEAL our infirmities, and lay hands on us for the filling of The Holy Spirit, Many are not going to be saved, eh?

Notice, Christ Told the 'hesitant' Ananias, "...he IS a CHOSEN vessel Unto ME...," not, "he WILL BE chosen..." thus already "saved Earlier, ON the road to Damascus," Correct?

Thus, my understanding is "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God,"

hearing The Gospel Of GRACE, believing It, And being BAPTIZED 'BY' The Holy Spirit Into The {Spiritual} Body Of CHRIST, Seated In Heaven, In the twinkling of an eye," Correct?

Of course, we could discuss Further the confusing 'Mixture' of being "Baptized by Christ, WITH The {Filling Of The} Holy Spirit, for power, signs, and wonders, as at the Pentecostal {LAW assembly}, compared to Paul's:

ONE {Spiritual} Baptism 'BY' The Holy Spirit For Identification with/Into The Body Of CHRIST {GRACE assembly}, Thus, Fitting MUCH Better With OUR "pattern," Paul, eh?

I never thought Great Bible study would "sponging together" with a brother :)

Hi Chris A lot of the Scriptures shown about baptism in Context of usage is spiritual in regards to holy spirit not water,and to say implied doesn't really hold any water. In Ephesians 4:5, no water, The context of 1 Corinthians 1:15-17 is baptism in Christ, so I don't see it as a condition to be born again. When Paul was born again in Acts 9:17+18 in verse 18 the word baptize is baptizo which can be translated on or in depending on context. Many of these verses which talks about baptism don't mention water. In Acts 15:1 there were men from Judea that were teaching unless you are circumsized you can't be saved, works of the law and that turned into an intense dispute. Acts 15:1-10 so I see where that applied also to water only it wasn't realized until later. That's my understanding It Is Written

Thank you brother ChrisE, I was afraid that I did understand you, as you wrote about this in your comments.

Re: 1 Corinthians 1:17. I believe that Paul "was not sent to baptize", as his calling & ministry was specifically to the preaching of the Gospel & for the establishing of assemblies of believers particularly among the Gentiles, to whom he was called. However, he did baptize Crispus ( 1 Corinthians 1:14, Acts 18:8) & Gaius ( Romans 16:23), & others, such as the household of Stephanus ( 1 Corinthians 1:16), though this seemed not to be the thrust of his ministry. So the fact that he did baptize (& I doubt if we could interpret the word to be 'baptize with the Spirit'), it must prove that water baptism was still performed as prescribed by the Lord in Matthew 28:19. How else would you read this?

I can understand where Ephesians 4:5 & 1 Corinthians 12:13 (as examples given by you) refer to baptism by the Spirit, however, the other references ( Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; & Romans 6:3-4) clearly imply that believers were baptized in water. So yes, I see two baptisms: one for identification & the other, for bringing into the Body of Christ & infilling.

In your mind, would Scriptures such as Matthew 28:18; Acts 8:13; Acts 8:36; Acts 9:18; Acts 10:47,48; Acts 16:15; Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8; Acts 19:5; & Acts 22:16, be speaking of Spirit baptism? I ask, as I've attempted with great difficulty to reinterpret those verses to mean anything other than immersion in water. Yes, there is the ONE Baptism that is important, that from the Spirit, yet the Scripture is replete with examples of water baptism following repentance as an act of identification. Now if I could find a verse to show the annulment of it, I would be forced to re-think this matter. Thank you for sharing those thoughts brother.

Hello Dave. In my understanding, Acts 2:38 & Acts 9:18 refers to water baptism & not Spirit baptism ( Ephesians 4:5). Repentance & water baptism went hand-in-hand in those early days, unlike what we generally see today.

Clayton Acts 1:8 also Acts 2:38 also Acts 9:18 last but not least Romans 10:9+10 don't see any water just baptised or clothed with or endued with power from holy spirit. I'll stick with the scriptures

Ronald Hi The church started day of pentecost in practice but the complete knowledge of who what where when why and how was given to the Apostle Paul by Jesus Christ. When He went to Jerusalem and basically they saw the change would have loved to have been there, He endeavored to teach them but at that time they were still to caught up in the judean law. So they sent Him to the gentiles which is exactly what He was called to do Acts 9:15 talk about things working out the way God Planned it. Also he knew Judean law inside out God knew His Heart and picked the right guy again he knew the same commitment he had for the law He would he would have for the Gospel. I realise some people won't agree that's ok isn't first time won't be last. I'll stick with scripture God Bless

Hi Jack. The blame that you place on the "Editors of the Bible" (or, translators), are actually in my mind, to their absolute credit for a very difficult tiring work.

Remember, they had to work through a lot of materiel, doing many comparisons against each other & of course, had to be proficient in those original languages. So, what we might see as a contradiction in the example you gave ( Acts 9:7 against Acts 22:9) because of our English words/expressions, could well be accurate by a direct translation from the original. If you check the word "voice" (as given in these verses) in the Greek, you'll find that it's the same word, "phonen". And that Gk. word is broad enough to have a meaning of: voice, sound, noise, language, applied to it. That being the case, the translators have understood that in Acts 9:7, those men heard a sound or noise but couldn't detect a language being spoken. They heard Saul talking as if into the air - they understood what he was saying, but all they heard in response was a sound.

Then please consider Deuteronomy 4:11-13. Again, the people who were gathered at the base of Mt. Sinai as Moses received the Decalogue, saw a burning mountain, thunderings, clouds & thick darkness (also Exodus 20:18). And out of that fiery mountain, the people heard "the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only (ye) heard a voice." (v12). Here, in Hebrew, the word for "voice" is 'qol', again meaning: a voice, a sound. We know that only Moses received God's Words directly which he conveyed to the people, so what then did the people hear & see?

Similarly, Acts 22:9 reveals the sound that they heard was only a sound - that the people with Saul couldn't decipher what they were hearing with any intelligible language. Paul understood as God gave him ears to hear & understand Him, but to the others, their ears were shut & they only heard noise. I hope that goes some way to sort out the confusion - if not to you, then to others.

Dianne,

Why can't you Godly to do good folks read and comprehend the post before you wag your finger. The EDITORS of the Bible confused tongues to make scriptures contradict each other. That practically ruins the joy for me. They denied me the right to read a pure Bible, the right to fully comprehend the Word of God.

Why scourge me, then say "God bless"? Righteous-self you want a sign, proof:

( Acts 9:7) And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

( Acts 22:9) And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Do not defend that which is tainted by way of reasoning; a third grader could spot the error.

Hello Adam. I have been reading all the comments on this thread (& others). And I don't want to 'clutter' this thread with further similar comments. But looking for that 'common denominator' that brings about this great division in understanding, I feel that it boils down to our perception of "who is a Christian?".

It seems clear that folk like Jesse, myself & others have a very 'narrow' understanding of the word "Christian", whereas yours & others, have a much broader understanding. The disciples were never 'Christians' during Jesus' days on Earth. They were simply Christ's disciples (as those under instruction by a Rabbi/teacher) & they followed Christ in His ministry. It was only after the Church was established that these followers of Jesus were referred to by other terms. One term was, "The Way" Sect, probably as seen by its use in Acts 9:2; 19:9,23; 24:14,22. Another term was, "The Sect of the Nazarenes" ( Acts 24:5). And yes, they were also called "Christians" first in Antioch ( Acts 11:26) & was used as a derogatory word ('Followers of the Anointed").

But if we take that name given to Christians as valid for us today (as it is), then we must know what that name implies. Can it just be applied, as the world & Christendom generally does, to any who profess to follow Christ, goes to Church, prays to God, reads from the Bible, etc.? Or, should the word apply to those who have been brought under conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit, born again, infilled & in constant communion with the Spirit? I think you will agree to the latter which is in stark contrast to the other.

Then you gave an example:"I know a Christian right now who has premarital sex, watches porn, and does drugs" & say that we believe that this is a Christian, then I (& we) would disagree with you. Ultimately, God is the only judge of our hearts, not us. All I know is the one who is a true Christian lives a different life, follows different Laws (of the Spirit) & cannot live in unrestrained sin.

Rebirth Scriptures(Born Again): John 3:3 KJV., John 3:5-8 KJV., 2Cor. 5:17 KJV., Mark 16:16 KJV, Titus 3:5, Romans 6:4 KJV., 1Peter 3:21 KJV.

Acts 2:37-38 KJV., what Israel(Jews) must do. Acts 10:44:48 KJV., the Holy Spirit(Ghost) given to the Gentiles(Greeks). In verse. 8, Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Jews and Gentiles were baptized by water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ). Acts 15:5-9 KJV., question at issue(Gentiles being circumcised). In Verse 7 Peter is speaking Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. In Acts 2 Peter used the keys(Jesus gave him the keys in Matthew 16:19 KJV.) first for the Jews, and in Acts 10 second, in the house of Cornelius for the Gentiles)(but Paul was distinctively(plainly) the apostle of the Gentiles, Gal. 2:7,8).

Paul speaking( 1Corinthians 15:1-10). Not only being filled with the Holy Ghost, Saul/Paul was baptized with water in the name of the Lord(Jesus Christ).

Saul's/Paul's Conversion: Acts 9:17-19 KJV; Paul's Defense before the multitude: recounts his conversion. Acts 22:11-16; Paul's defense before Agrippa. Acts 26:9-18. In verse. 18, that they may receive forgiveness of sins( Romans 3:23)

1 Corinthians 3:5-8 KJV: 5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6. I(Paul) have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase(Holy Ghost) 7. So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase(Holy Ghost). 8. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

1 Timothy 1:1 KJV Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope. Think about this, what is the father's name on a Birth Certificate? What name is the child born into physically? See 1John5:1-20

KJV., being baptized in the name of (Jesus Christ): The Foundation

As the Holy Ghost guides me to these things. I would like to state to one that asked if there was any account recorded that right after receiving the Holy Ghost, in the NT, they did not speak in "tongues". As of coarse one would be Jesus Christ(which I believe always had the Holy Ghost and did not just receive it at His water baptism but that's another post) but I will give the benefit of the doubt that He was special and not just a regular person. It is actually Saul/Paul in Acts 9:17-20. No account of Him speaking in "tongues" after receiving the Holy Ghost. He straightway preached that Christ is the Son of God.

Part 2 Bible plan for tongues

Acts 9: 17, 18,

Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a lot of the new testament, recieved the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 14:18:

Paul mentions he thanks God he speaks with tongues more than you all!

Paul wrote chapters 12, 13, and 14 about spiritual gifts, the proper use of speaking in unknown/other tongues.

Acts 10,

a man name Cornelius, a gentile, a devout man of God, who prayed always to God, had not yet known of or recieved the Holy Ghost.

Peter was sent to him and his household by the Lord, he preached to them the Gospel, and the Holy Ghost fell on Cornelius household, all gentiles! The bible says because they heard(visual sign and sound)them speak with tongues and magnify God! Then they were baptised! Acts 10: 44 - 48.

Acts 19: 1 - 7:

Paul came to disciples of John, asking them if they had recieved the Holy Ghost SINCE THEY BELIEVED! They said they never heard of the Holy Ghost! Paul laid hands on them, when the Holy Ghost fell on them, they spake with tongues(Visual sign/sound). They were baptized in water.

In conclusion:

Mark 16: 17,

Isaiah 28: 11, 12,

John 3: 5 - 8,

Jesus spoke of a new birth to enter the Kingdom of God; a Water and Spirit birth/called the Holy Ghost.

He said there would be a visible sign;

like wind you cannot see, but there is a SOUND.

In his Name believers would speak with new tongues.

Isaiah prophesied this would be the rest/refreshing for the people.

In the book of Acts this is fullfilled consistently when the Holy Ghost was poured out!

God's Spirit in you: the rest/refreshing, a visual sign of his presence in you, speaking from your heart out of your human mouth a new heavenly language, pure, beautiful and Holy!

The bible plan for speaking with tongues.

God gave visual signs throughout the bible of his presence.

God chose speaking tongues as a visual sign when you recieve the Holy Ghost!

Jesus said out of the abundance of your heart, the mouth speaks. Matthew 12:34.

When God gives you his Spirit, he puts it in your heart; Galations 4: 6.

So what is in your heart comes out of your mouth.

Jesus said:

Mark 16:17:

Believers will speak with new tongues.

Isaiah 28: 11, 12,

prophecied it is the rest/power, to cause the weary to rest; refreshing.

John 3: 5 - 7:

Jesus spoke about a new spiritual birth you will recieve when you are born again. Then he added: John 3: 8:

The WIND bloweth where it listeth, and thou HEAREST the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit.

Who did he say?

EVERYONE!

This scripture is fullfilled in Jerusalem in the upper room, the Holy Ghost was first poured out: Acts 2: 1 - 4:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a SOUND from heaven as of a rushing mighty WIND and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven TONGUES like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Here you see that SOUND from heaven as a rushing mighty WIND is Holy Ghost/speaking with other tongues!

Acts 2: 33:

Peter told the jews which were speaking in another tongue/language, this is the promise of the Holy Ghost that they now SEE(VISUAL SIGN), and HEAR(YOU WILL HEAR A SOUND.)

Acts 2: 16 - 19.

Peter told the jews the prophet Joel spoke about it.

Acts 8: 14 - 20:

Simon the sorcerer saw when Peter and John laid hands on jews, he SAW POWER(THE VISUAL SIGN) when they recieved the Holy Ghost, and offered money for it!

Acts 9: 17, 18,

Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a

Water baptism. Part 1

From the very beginning in the bible, water separates or divides from something: Genesis 1: 6, 7.

When God set apart people for himself, he used water to separate you from something to bring you into something else.

In the old testament, Moses and the priest had to wash with water to be sanctified for service.

Want to show how many scriptures(not all) are showing how important baptism is!

Ezekiel 36: 24 - 27:

God takes the unclean, sprinkles clean water on them, and they shall be clean. Puts his Spirit in them and calls them his people!

New Testament:

John the Baptist baptized with water, also baptized Jesus that the scriptures would be fullfilled:

Matthew 3: 11, 16.

John 1: 26 - 33.

Luke 3: 16, 21.

Matthew 28:19:

Teach all nations to baptize in Jesus name.

Mark 16:16:

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Luke 24: 47 - 49:

Beginning at Jerusalem, repentance and water baptism(remission of sins) preached in Jesus name among all nations.

John 3: 5 - 7:

Jesus taught you must be born again of water(baptism) and Spirit.

John 13:10:

Jesus washed his disciple's feet with water, calling them clean.

John 19:34:

Jesus dead on the cross; soldier pierced his side, out came BLOOD and WATER.

Note:

1 John 5: 6, 8:

Jesus came by WATER and BLOOD.

There are 3 that bear witness in the earth: Spirit, water, and blood. These 3 agree in one.

One what? - One new birth.

Continued next text.

Acts 2:38:

Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.

Note:

2: 41:

3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.

Acts 8: 36 - 39:

Philip baptized eunuch in water.

Acts 9:18:

Apostle Paul is baptized.

Acts 10: 47, 48:

Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.

Acts 18: 8:

Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.

Acts 19: 1 - 6:

Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Continue to water baptism part 2.

Acts 2:38:

Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.

Note:

2: 41:

3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.

Acts 8: 36 - 39:

Philip baptized eunuch in water.

Acts 9:18:

Apostle Paul is baptized.

Acts 10: 47, 48:

Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.

Acts 18: 8:

Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.

Acts 19: 1 - 6:

Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 22: 16:

Paul defense/testamony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6: 3, 4:

Paul says those that are saved have been baptized/buried in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 5:26:

Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.

Colossians 2: 11, 12:

The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.

Hebrews 9: 19, 20:

When Moses read the law to all the people, he took blood, water, hyssop, and sprinkled them with it, signifying God have enjoined them.

Hebrews 10: 22:

Our bodies are washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3: 20, 21:

In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.

In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin/cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!

SkipVought

Charles,

Paul, who you claim, preaches a different gospel than the apostles,

made it a practice to preach in synagogues in the cities he enters.

"And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into

the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both

of the JEWS and also of the GREEKS believed." Act 14:1

"And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the

JEWS and the GREEKS." Act 18:4

"And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which

dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both JEWS and

GREEKS." Act 19:10

"Testifying both to the JEWS, and also to the GREEKS, repentance

toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Act 20:21

ANSWER: Yes Paul preached to both Jews and Gentile. That what the Lord Jesus Christ told him to do. Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

Neither Jew nor Greek... ANSWER: Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." Notice that the verse didn't say what they believed, but only that both had the same Lord.

"There is neither JEW nor GREEK, there is neither bond nor free,

there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ

Jesus." Gal 3:28

"Where there is neither GREEK nor JEW, circumcision nor

uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all,

and in all." Col 3:11. ANSWER; Romans 3:30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith." MORE: Galatians 2:7-8 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)" NEXT POST:

So, taking a little more time and looking into Acts 9:26-27 and Galatians 1:17-18 it does seem to be the same experience. It just got a little confusing as it goes directly from Paul preaching first in Damascus and getting let down in a basket by the disciples to save him, not saying he went to Arabia or three years passing, then saying he came to Jerusalem in the next verse in Acts 9:25-27.

This does seem to be where he only saw Peter and James, only noted as apostles in Acts 9:27, as Barnabas took him to them. A little detail we don't get in Galatians.

Hello Charles,

This is getting interesting from what I'm finding in the Scriptures. As I agree Paul received the Gospel from the Lord in revelation. As the original disciples/apostles of the Lord were first hand witnesses and lived with the Lord.

So it seems, I believe this is mostly Peter in these verses, that the Gospel he preached was also for the remission, forgiveness, of sins and our salvation through Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:38

Acts 3:19

Acts 4:12

Acts 5:31

Acts 10:43-44

Maybe the point you are trying to make is that he(other apostles) did not exactly say it was that He "died" for our sins? As I can't really be sure of that as the early preaching in Acts, that I posted, was only of Peter. There also being ten other original apostles preaching around. It could be though.

This is interesting what I came across. In Acts 9:26-27. As this seems to be not long after Paul's conversion. After his first preaching of the Lord in Damascus. Being saved by other disciples of the Lord ending up in Jerusalem. Then in verse 27 Barnabus took him to the other apostles. As I can't be positive but I don't think Peter was there at this time as a couple verses later it states he was in other places.

This does not seem to be the same trip to Jerusalem as Paul spake of in Galatians 1:18. As in Galatians 1:19 he states "of the other apostles I saw none". Interesting how in Galatians 1:17 stated that he didn't go to Jerusalem after he was saved or converted. Lots of stuff going on.

God Bless.

Hello Charles,

Just to expand on the year "around 55 AD" when Paul writing the epistle to Corinth. Also you stating that the time between the Death of Jesus and His appearing to Paul on the road to Damascus being 8-9 years or 36-37 AD. I have never heard of that number. So you have learned the death of Jesus to be around 25-26 AD? I have learned that the Lord appeared to Paul sometime around 2-3 years after His death.

As also hearing lectures from Dr Gary Habermas who expands on this timeline. Which agree with several other sites of the chronological studies of that time. As I'll just leave a simple timeline and some verses of "around" times. As no one knows the exact year of the death of Jesus Christ I will be using the year 30 AD as most like to use.

30 AD Death of Jesus Christ.

32-33 AD The Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus Acts 9:1-20.

35-36 AD After three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter Galatians 1:18.

49-50 AD Then 14 years after I went up again to Jerusalem Galatians 2:1.

50-51 AD Paul arrives at Corinth

51-52 AD Paul was in Corinth 1.5 years and brought before Gallieo Acts 18:11-12.

54-55 AD Paul is in Ephesus, staying there 2-3 years, which is where some believe he wrote the epistle to Corinth.

As there was a first letter, or "previous letter", written to Corinth, from Paul, which is no longer extant. Paul noting he wrote them and epistle previously in ( 1 Corinthians 5:9.

With all of these dates I'm sure they can be moved around a little as all being "about". Things we know of are the reign of Gallio to be of 51-52 AD. Which has been inscribed in stone.

Skip also did quote ( 1 Corinthians 11:23. Stating that Paul did "receive of the Lord that which I also delivered unto you". Which I'm sure Skip knows. In Galatians 1:13 the word "see" is the Greek word G2477. Meaning "to find out, learn by inquiry" or "to gain knowledge of by visiting".

Just to give some friendly information. God Bless.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles by God's choice. The Lord Jesus declared that He had a specific mission for Paul: "This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel" ( Acts 9:15). Paul had been set apart from birth and called by God's grace so that he might "preach [Christ] among the Gentiles" ( Galatians 1:15-16).

Are you a Gentile? Then you need to go to the Apostle Paul to find out how to be saved, what we cal "born again".

This passage of scripture is 1st Corinthians 15:1-4, but verse three and four, is the Gospel, the good news that Christ took our place so that we might have live everlasting.

Jesus commanded his 12 Disciples NOT to go to the Gentiles, in Matthew 10 1-7, and then about eighteen years later, he sent Paul to the Gentiles, WHY? Because he had a different Gospel for the Gentiles, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31. That Gospel is for the Jews. And Paul's Gospel is for the Gentiles. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" You can plainly see they are different. Peter, nor any of the 12 apostles preach that "Jesus died for our sins" as Paul did. Check out these two scriptures John 20:31, and 1st Corinthians 15:3,4.

Hi Donna, I would have only one question, is the word of God being taught? we went through this exact situation a number of years ago in our church, some left on so called principle but most stayed, at the end of the day we survived.

I'm fully aware of what it says in 1 Corinthians, but, as in Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." this would be more of my view of what the word church really means as opposed to the physical building used for worship. I don't read any version of the bible other than KJV, but as per others that are much more learned than myself, the KJV is more accurate. Like in our church, I'm sure the fellowship in your church would be like family, Just a question, would bible study as a group work. Throughout the bible you find that there are a number of women who influenced their fellow man proclaiming Jesus ministry, I've listed just a few.

I do hope this may help

John 4:25-29 Because of the Samaritan woman at the well, many came to believe,

Romans 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:"

Romans 16:3 "Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"

Acts 9:36-42 40 "But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up."

An Apostle is a Messenger - one who is sent out by his Master. In the case of the apostles in the Bible, the chief criterion was that they had to learn under their Master & be obedient to His directions. However, Paul was an exception as he was unlike the others. But he was referred to as an apostle, having first being called by Jesus to "be a chosen vessel unto me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles & kings & the children of Israel ( Acts 9:15). And Paul often referred to himself as an apostle of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 1:1, Romans 1:1, etc.).

Shem, you've given a valid example in Acts 9:7 and 22:9. I've read this before, & not wanting to make excuses to justify the Word's inerrancy, could it be that in verse 7, those who were with Saul only heard a sound & not the words, whereas in verse 9 the same thing is said, that they did not hear the voice (the speech)? So, in both instances, it was only a sound that was heard.

Since the same Greek word for 'voice' (phonos) is used, its meaning can apply to both an intelligible voice or a sound. Then look at 1 Kings 19:12, "And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice." Again, no intelligible language was heard by Elijah, but a 'sound of quiet stillness'. The Hebrew word is 'qo-wl', meaning, 'a sound, a voice', an exact equivalent to the Greek. Therefore, I have no problem with this apparent difference, though I'm always interested to learn what others find in the Bible that could be a problem. Maybe you could throw me another one for my study - but please, not a hundred of them.

The Bible does not stand as a perfect or scientific document. Just speaking on KJV 1611, it is a sloppy manuscript, littered with topical flaws, contradictions and inconsistencies. To even notice the errors, you would have to read corresponding passages over and over, and over to compare and patch them together like a game of "concentration".

One example for the thick is Paul on his way to Damascus:

Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

So, what is it, huh? Did they hear the voice or not? I can do this all day with hundreds of verses that infuriate me.

As far as the earths shape is concerned, it is definitely spherical, like the other planets/moons. Though they reach for the stars, I will bring them down to the pit. Amos 9:2 LEO, 400 miles up is our limit, then we hit the firmament hard, keeping mankind "in". Space programs like governments are shrouded in mystery, deception, lies and fraud. NASA could prove the earths shape, but prefer to stoke the division of uncertainty. Did you see earths curvature last year when SpaceX posted the mission video? What about the earth casting a "round" shadow on the moon during an eclipse? Plato and Socrates saw the curved shadow and determined the earth was round.

For fun, Google "They're Alive!! Challenger Crew Found Alive and Well 30 years since the Disaster". The hoaxter astronauts didn't even bother to change their names!!!

Acts 9:4b

OUR IDENTITY IN CHRIST

The response of Jesus Christ to Paul on his way to Damascus shows clearly our oneness with Him. Oneness with Him is the result of LOVE of GOD. You can't separate a believer with Christ (LOVE), ROMANS 8: 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? WE ARE IDENTIFY WITH HIM IN ALL THINGS, Matthew 25:42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44And they too will reply, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You? our need is His need, our pain is HIS pain... absolute identity!

Acts 9:3-5 (KJV)

I would like to elaborate on this verse a little more Because it takes a lot more energy to deny the deity of Jesus christ/Emanuel than it does to except it.

Acts 9:3-5. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Here we see Saul in vs 3 he's surrounded by light, "the Glory of God that he spoke to Israel in the wilderness" then he heard a voice from the light, "Saul,Saul, why persecutest thou me" and Saul answers to the only God he knew, being he was a pharisee, WHO art thou Lord? And Jesus answered his question directly! " I AM Jesus " whom thou persecutest. Jesus was returned to his former Glory.