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This is Wesleys Comments

5:8 The seven stars - A constellation, whose rising about September was usually accompanied with sweet showers. Orion - Which arising about November brings usually cold, rains and frosts intermixt very seasonable for the earth. The shadow of the earth - The greatest adversity into as great prosperity. Dark with might - Changes prosperity into adversity. That calleth - Commands the vapour to ascend, which he turns into rain; and then pours from the clouds to make the earth fruitful.

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Hi Kate,

God bless you,

Keep spreading the Gospel,

I pray the Lord will come "but at his appointed time" but for many of my love ones and friends I'm glad he's patient and taking his time!!

The Lord came the first time with salvation,

Next he will comes in the clouds for his Church,

And then he comes to earth in Judgement.

Now is the time for salvation!!

2 Peter 3:9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH! but that all should come to repentance.

This verse means he's tarrying giving time to repent before he comes,

We or no one else should wish for his coming for the unsaved.

Amos 5:18 (KJV) Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Let's minister to all we can while it's still day.

God bless you.

Part 1 continued:

( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people,...smite therefore upon thy thigh. "smite therefore upon thy thigh" is reference to Jacob wrestling an angel for the birthright he obtained from a hungry Esau, for a bowl of lentil soup. Wrestling the angel permanently injured Jacob's thigh ( Genesis 32:24-25). Seen as our "Jacob's time of trouble"; the great tribulation.

God made both Gog and Esau "small" and "despised "( Obadiah 1:2) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

( Daniel 11:23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

( Matthew 24:21-22) For then shall be great tribulation....

( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The falling away is the abomination of desolation.

( Mark 13:14) ( Matthew 24:15)

( 2 Peter 3:10) (Mathew 3:11)

( Amos 5:18) ( Amos 5:20)

( Daniel 11:31)

( Revelation 17:16-17)

( Daniel 9:27)

( Jeremiah 51:53)

( Revelation 18) vs 20 ...for in one hour is she made desolate.

( Revelation 18:9-10) ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. ( Ezekiel 18:26)

( Daniel 12:6-7)

Israel (house) is notably attacked [from the south to the north]:

( Ezekiel 21:2-4) And say to the land of Israel (northern kingdom),...therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh [from the south to the north].

( Ezekiel 20:46-47) ....Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree:...and all faces [from the south to the north] shall be burned therein.

( Isaiah 21:1) ....As whirlwinds in [the south pass through]; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land (Gog's land)

( Job 37:9)

( Isaiah 24) "Day of the Lord" aftermath.

( Revelation 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed...

Pochalla, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His knowledge.

Let's try with the Spirits working to perceive what the Spirit calls the DAY OF THE LORD.

Amos 5:18-21 Woe unto you that DESIRE THE DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is DARKNESS, AND NOT LIGHT.

(20) Shall not the DAY OF THE LORD be darkness and not light? even very dark and no brightness in it?

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned in darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME.

Is this prophecy yet in the future or has it already been fulfilled? Other scriptures and the symbols represented in them provide the answers.

Psalm 89:34-37 .....(36) His (David's) seed (Christ) shall endure forever, and his (Christ) throne as the sun before me. (vs) It (Christ and his throne) shall be established forever as the MOON, AND AS A FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN.

Revelation 1:5 And from JESUS CHRIST, who is my FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN. The Psalm says the MOON is the faithful witness implying the moon is symbolic of Jesus.

The prophecy says the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the MOON into blood. Has this already happened?

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there out BLOOD...

THE DAY OF THE LORD is every day and has been going on now for two thousand years.

Christ through the working of the Holy Spirit has been coming (the second time lake a thief in the night to those who look for him).

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; AND UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.

What does the word vigin mean at Amos 5:2?

Verses 21-24-It wasn't what was offered to Jehovah God but it had to do more with the motive of those offering sacrifices.

True. But for the Bible Gods word to be true, it is the way it is. They will have another chance when Jesus comes again. God Bless

What the Lord is saying, is that all shall know him through his death as the new covenant and not that of the old. But by only the death of Jesus shall anyone have a relationship with the father. Not by old ways and works. God Bless!

Les, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Had Israel recognized Jesus as their Messiah, according to the prophecies that went before Him, then they would not be in this spiritual darkness they're in, clinging onto the old commandments of God plus their own added righteousness, to be acceptable to God. They expected a conquering Messiah that would save them from the Roman oppression, but they missed recognizing the Lord of Glory Who came to save them from sin's penalty. They still wait for him, but how they shall weep when they see the One Whom they pierced ( Revelation 1:7) coming in His Glory & Power.

But for those who have come out of Judaism & turned to Christ, how it must bring joy to the Lord's Heart to see their response. And also for each one of us 'gentiles' "who having not seen yet have believed" ( John 20:29).

It still greatly amazes me to this day that the Jews, in spite of all the Lord's help & blessings bestowed onto them, would even contemplate engaging in abominable activities such as worshipping Moloch! Why people can't understand why God would make null & void the first Covenant and thereby cease having the Jews be the chosen people is beyond my understanding. The Lord sought a more righteous people to be His chosen people. Therefore, He sent His Son to this Earth to die for our sins. And, whosoever places his or her faith on Christ's great & awesome sacrifice on the Cross will become one of God's chosen people, albeit that person be either Jew or Gentile. Mind you, a Jew can still be a part of God's chosen people if he or she repents from his or her unbelief. and places his or her full faith on Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.

Patrick, astrology is 'frowned upon', as by definition, it is the study that assumes and attempts to interpret the influence of the heavenly bodies on human affairs. Man has for eons wanted to have some assistance to forecast the future for himself & the world he lives in, & without the help from the Bible & having faith in a trustworthy, all-powerful God, he has chosen to look to the heavens for signs. This has never worked though helps relieve some short-lived uncertainty to the seeker.

I've read the Bible through and have yet to find the 'science' of astrology in there and helpful to me in understanding myself & my world, both present & future. Only God's Word, without the need of heavenly bodies, discerns our heart, thoughts, & gives us a hope for this life & that to come. True, there are various references to the stars in the Bible (e.g. Amos 5:8, Job 9:7-10; 38:31, 32), but these are referred to as their constellations which God has set in the heavens, but not for the purpose of them directing the affairs of men.

If you're interested (& I don't give full assent to it), there a short study on this by Perry Stone. Once in his Manna-Fest window, find the Topic: The Enoch Cipher and the future cosmic signs of Christ's Return. Here he gives the connection between the specific setting of the constellations and Israel's tribal structure & other details. But even here, the 'science' of astrology & astronomy are vastly different.

If you mean the disciple Philip, then the Scripture ( Jn 1:44) says that he was from Bethsaide, in Galilee & part of the Roman Empire at the time. The disciples Andrew & Peter were also from the same town.

where were philip born

Gee, that photograph the moon mission astronauts took out the window, showing earth was a ball is a FAKE?!?! I want my money back.

If it's not solid wouldn't it float away like a balloon?

Extend the Hand of Christ

In this chapter we see Amos morns for Israel as they believed their wealth and religion made them secure while suppressing and victimizing the poor. In making application we see that many today follow in the same path of preaching prosperity while ignoring and suppressing the poor. Today our focus should be on Ministry or Service to restore the poor, needy, and sin sick showing them the way to a better life is Jesus-Christ. How about you? Do you Restore the needy or are you too busy to help others who find themselves in sins pit? Let us learn from our text today and the warning of Amos to extend the hand of Christ who find themselves in a pit due to their sin.

Andres, if you Google Ancient Astronomy, Astronomy in Ancient China, etc. you will discover Astronomy is a science that was developed and known to different cultures as far back as 5,000 years or more. The Chinese, Mayans, Aztecs, Middle Easterners, you name it, they were all well versed in Astronomy.

There is a difference however, between Astronomy (which is the science) and Astrology (which is an esoteric practice). Astronomy is based on mathematical calculations, physical laws, and scientific fact. The Pyramids in Egypt were built using precise mathematical calculations about the movement of stars, planets and constellations. Although in different places around the earth they had different names for constellations, the Mayans and Chinese built structures, architectural and engineering wonders of history that reflected that knowledge.

All of these cultures worshiped the order, reliability and predictability of the movement of stars. The earliest writings we have are the Sanskrit from India and the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh. Even in these writings we find evidence of their knowledge of the universe, mathematics, science, physical laws. They used them to develop calendars. They were able to calculate precisely Equinox and Solstice, seasons and rotation of the earth.

So, Pleiades and Orion were nothing new to Amos or Job. The rest of the world was well developed by the time of Amos, who lived approximately 750 - 800 years before Christ. Alexander the Great lived in the mid 300's before Christ. Julius Ceasar 50 BC, the Pyramids of Egypt 2,500 years before Christ. Noah lived 3,000 years BC. It is believed the Book of Job appeared 600 years BC. But the story itself is of someone that predates that time. Job is, of course, a precursor of Christ suffering and resurrection. But from Chapter 38 on, we see how Job had a developed understanding of the Universe. Moses lived approximately 1,500 years BC.

Andres, I had to do some researching for your question as the answer cannot be found from Scripture. So trying to make a long research paper simple, this is what I've found & hope it is of some use to you:

Both in Job 9:9 & Amos 5:8, mention is made of those star constellations. So the problem we have is: how are these stars with these names, known by these OT people? The answer is apparently that they hadn't called them by these names in the original language, Hebrew, but those original words were also known differently in Aramaic/Syriac & these are what we are seeing here.

So in Hebrew, Orion was known as 'Kesil', which means 'foolish' because they viewed this constellation as a picture of 'a tall & strong man chained for his folly'. For Pleiades (the view of Seven Stars), was originally known as 'Kimah'. Then in Syriac, it was referred to as Pleiades.

Therefore, with Amos, as a Prophet of God, his writings reflected what was given to him to declare to Israel. And this included these stars which he may not have been entirely familiar with, but declared them (Kesil & Kimah) which have since been translated in the Bible to be the Orion & Pleiades. With Job, we're unsure of his knowledge about these stars, whether from Divine inspiration or from others who may have already named them. So a bit of uncertainty here.

ANDRES: There are 2 scriptures in JOB about both constellations:

Chapter 9:9 and 38:31.

You will enjoy reading Job. Near the end God reveals many scientific things. If your Bible has the center column; the letters and numbers point you to other scriptures or prophesies sometimes. It's fascinating reading.

How Amos knew about Orion and the Pleiades?

Mishael I looked at Jews for Jesus and that "messianic Jew" Stan Telchin and I notice they always have that 6 pointed star on their sites. the same 6 pointed star on the Israeli flag.

Old Testament book of Amos 5:26 But ye (Jews) have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the STAR star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. (what star do Jews carry?)

New Testament book of Acts 7:43 Yea, ye (Jews) took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Who was Moloch? Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto MOLECH Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this ABOMINATION abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Unless the book of acts is wrong, the 6 pointed star is tied into the occult with Moloch since it is the only star the Jews have carried for centuries. Personally I find this troubling.

A Jewish author wrote the book "The Six Pointed Star book" by author O.J. Graham

He lays it out plain as day from the scripture, history and the occult.

Personally I find this disturbing for alleged believers using occult symbolism.

6 pointed star does it equal 666? 6 points, 6 triangles 6....?

Jesus loved some of the Jews and others not so much as recorded here in harsh language.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

Then answered the Jews

pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.

Obviously not all of them since some came to the Lord.

Bible old testament book of Amos 5:26 But ye [Jews] have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch (Satanic god child sacrifice by fire) and Chiun your images, the STAR STAR STAR of your god, which ye made to yourselves. (Jews carried what star?)

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye [Jews] took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR STAR STAR of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

What STAR STAR STAR do the jews (even so called Messianic) carry? Moloch and Remphan

Moloch was the satanic god that demanded children be burned alive in fire.

Remphan has reference to the giants, think Goliath

Look at the Israeli flag do you see a star that they have carried for centuries?

Some shall repent and turn to the Lord in time as he has his remnant.

But the great majority? We shall see what happens.

18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. Even so God, come.

Let's STOP this CONFUSION ( I Cor. 14:33; James 3:1-16 ). Eze. 2:1-3:27; 13:1-23; Isa. 3:12; 9:16; 56:9-12; Jer.5:20-31; 23:1-40; Zech. 5:1-11; Isa. 30:1-3; Eze. 28:14-19; I Cor. 11:1-15; Isa. 2:6-22; Numbers 16:1-50; Amos 9:10; Mal. 2:17; Isa. 33:14; Amos 5:21-23; Psalm 5:5; Matt. 7:21-23, 26-27; Acts 20:27; 24:14; I Tim. 2:1-15; I Cor. 14:34-37; Rev. 2:20-24; Matt. 15:7-14; Rom. 16:17-18; Amen!

5:18 reminds me of people I have talked to and all they are interest is the book of Revelation and do not care about what the other 65 books have to say.

In the chapter above the HEART OF GOD (things GOD LOVE and the things HE hate) is clearly seen; and yes we also see the wrath of Jehovah / GOD. ( Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me). WOW! WOW! WOW!.

Verses 21-24~Jehovah God did not look with delight upon the sacrifices of the people. They were not worshipping him in an acceptable way and their motives were not pure.

Verse 14: We must search for good and not what is bad. This will require effort because we are surrounded by badness.

If I stay DAILY IN WORD N PRAYER ITS DIFFICULT. TO BE DRUNK WITH THE WINE OF HER FORNICATION. you need to set your affections on heaven and not on earth

The day of Christ is mentioned 3 times in the KJV bible, Philippians 1:10 Philippians 2:16 2 Thessalonians 2:2, and the coming of the Lord, James 5:7 - 5:8 2 Thessalonians 2:1. We all should be waiting for the day of Christ, and not the Day of the LORD, both are totally different. Please read 2 Peter 3:10, Amos 5:18, and Amos 5:20, we should not to be hoping or waiting for the Day of the LORD.

Ann; Again, Scripture has to be taken in the context it is written, and understood with sound thinking. Not all continue in sin with desperately wicked hearts! Those terms were used about a specific kind, because of their impossible to cure defiance! God has commanded us to walk in truth and righteousness; that's why we repent and are converted; and all for which He has died on the cross for us.