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Mishael, in response to 2 of your posts, Angels are created beings. We see that in Colossians 1:16. They were created to serve. They are not human and Jesus Himself said they don't procreate. He further added that there is no marriage in Heaven. Our existence there will be completely different than what it is now. Some people are of the opinion they will continue to lead a Human life, marrying, having children, going to work from 8-5. But that is fiction. We will be completely transformed. So much so, that the closest Disciples of Jesus didn't even recognize Him when He appeared to them after the Resurrection. How different was He? He sat with them. He talked to them. He ate with them. And they had no clue.

Paul tells us that our mortal bodies will put on immortality when Christ returns and calls us to be with Him for all eternity. Our bodies will be incorruptible. Our minds will be incorruptible. Out hearts will be incorruptible.

We have been taught to believe that all Creation is about us; about our welfare, our joy, our delight in God, our enjoyment, our families. But is that was what our earthly creation was for? Where we created for us or for Christ? Where the Angels created for themselves or to serve God?

It is also a fiction that Angels can assume all the biological functions of Humans and procreate with them. They can't.

Joshua on Colossians 1:15 brought up an interesting question. Who is Jesus? Is He God Devine or a created being God promoted to a higher position? There is a related Central theme in Scripture we often don't pay a lot of attention to. Even Preachers seem to skip over it when referencing it. But if you don't fully understand it, the rest of Scripture becomes difficult.

I am asking the following question for all who would like to respond, on Colossians 1:16,

"For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and FOR Him."

I have discussed this a little with others, but I would like to look at it on its own. From:

PURPOSE DRIVEN CREATION

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Q: What does the word FOR mean? What does it mean that all things were created FOR Him?

My 3rd Response, Joshua. In Isaiah 53 Jesus is called, "The Eternal Father, The Mighty God." Again, JW focus on "Mighty" as not equal to Almighty, making Jesus inferior. They won't deal with "Eternal Father". They don't know what to do with it. But Jesus is the Eternal Father, John 14:7-9:

"If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us." Jesus replied, "Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

Jesus is Human and Devine. Not angelic.

Following on my 1st response, Joshua. The JW also point out that Christ is a "a Son", John 3:16, 1 John 4:10. They see Him as a created being Hebrews 2:17. But they miss the point. Philippians 2:9 says Jesus was exalted, elevated to a higher position, promoted. But do these all miss the meaning of what is said? Is there a difference between Jesus the Son of Man, and Christ the Eternal Preexisting God, Creator of all things, Colossians 1:16.

It is that distinction that many fail to see. The Coptic Manuscript should not be taken on its own. It might be the oldest, but that doesn't mean it is correct. Taken in context is is clear the import is The Word IS God, 2 Peter 1:3. He is Devine.

This is a good discussion topic, Joshua. The Jehova's Witnesses use the oldest translation, which is from a piece of a Coptic Manuscript that says in John 1 that "the Word is A God". They also believe the reference in Colossians 1:15 that Christ is "the firstborn of all creation", means Christ was created by God, just like the Angels.

There are statements in the Bible that cast doubt on the Deity of Christ as existing always as God. That is why a study of Systematic Theology is so important for our understanding of Scripture. Peter said that what Paul says is Scripture. But some people misunderstand it, 2 Peter 3:16. Proverbs 8 says, "He was the first of creation". So which is it?

I just read your comment. God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world and received into glory. God did this all by Himself. God was manifest( made visible in the flesh of Jesus Christ). He is the Father of creation, the Son ( his flesh) in redemption; and the Holy Ghost in the church. The idea of a triune Godhead is not found in the Bible. Read Isaiah 9:6; Isaiah 43:10-13; St. John 1:1-14; St. John 17:6; St. John 8:21-24; St. John 14:9-10; Luke 24:44; Colossians 1: 13-16; Hebrew 1:1-4; I John 1:1-3; Revelation 1:13-20; Revelation chapter 5. These are only a few of the scripture that validate the Oneness of God. God has many names and many attributes. He appeared in many theophanic forms in the Bible. But His greatest revelation to man was as the Man Christ Jesus. Jesus is His Saving Name. Jesus is God. God is Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation, there has only been one God, One Spirit, and One Savior. Ephesians 4:4-5 tells us that there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. One God and Father of all...God does not have three personalities in His head. God is our savior; and He loved us so much that He was willing to die for us and rise again for our salvation. What an awesome God that we serve!

I can just tell you how I differentiate. Every single day of my life, I have to make choices. And at the end of each day, I have to ask myself "What was that all about?" You list several things here, and for each one of those things, we can ask ourselves if it is Christ leading us to do those things or not. There are many things we do in life on a daily basis that are not spiritual, but worldly. There are necessities in life. And I believe we are to use the things/necessities in this world. We're just not to overuse them. In other words, we're not to let the things of this world control us and cause us to lose focus of the race that is set before us. A few verses that come to mind would be Gal 5:16-25, Rom 8:9, Rom 8:12-14, Colossians 1:9-10, Psalm 42:1-2, 2 Cor 10:4.

Colossians 1:15, ,18 Who is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every created.

18. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Thanks Bob,your comments are appreciated & well received. It is good to read that you are so firmly grounded & know that the KJV is based solidly on the trustworthy Textus Receptus. Yet for those who differ, I do not judge, but see an opportunity to discuss by text/original comparisons to bring us to Light & knowing our LORD's Mind. One of my pet discussions with our JW visitors, is Colossians 1:15: "Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". The Gk. here is 'prototokos=first + to give birth to. JWs use (via a bad text. translation), 'protokitises'=first + created, which is not a biblical word. Similar, but a small change can bring on such a big error.

God said(through the speaker) right here: " He, Jesus Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" What is confusing about that? Listen to John chapter 1 again. "In the beginning was the Word Jesus , and the Word Jesus was with God, and the Word Jesus was God." - John 1:1
If we think something in God's words contradicts something else He has said, it's always WE who are wrong.

Amen Child of God. The world has made me feel that way. God gave me faith in him and answered my prayer when I acted on the faith he gave me.

Great question. Since God is invisible Colossians 1:15 whatever people saw was a physical representation of Him or just his glory Exodus 33:19, but perhaps lacking in his true essence, because to truly see Him, people would die: Exodus 33:20.

Brianna, please read and ponder on these KJV Bible scriptures, and know that our Lord Jesus Christ was Almighty God. Titus 2:13 Acts 20 28 Revelation 1:5-6 Revelation 5:8-9 Revelation 22:13 Revelation 22:16 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 43:10-11 Isaiah 44:6 Isaiah 44:24 2 Peter 1:1 John 1:3 Colossians 1:16 Colossians 2:9 John 1:1-3 John 5:17-18 John 8:24.

You have to keep to reading, it's speaking about Christ being the ONLY BEGOTTEN. Christ created everything after HE was created by the Father. ONLY BEGOTTEN means that Christ was the ONLY creation of the FATHER! Christ created everything else. Colossians 1:13-17. Through HIM Christ ALL things CONSIST be composed or made up of .

When everything is working out for you to succeed in an impossible task that can lead you into your final destiny for the Lord. Watch what happens. The spiritual fight starts.Satan steps into your weakest friends and relatives, attacking your strength. I know what is happening, so l don't add fuel to the fire. The fight goes to God- and He fights for me. That's how it should be. So stand strong!!!

"Christ in you, the hope of glory."

The core of the gospel of grace. Not just that Christ died and rose again to forgive us all sins and justify us forever, but ALSO that the Father saw fit to make those who believe the gospel to be literally ONE with His Son. Christ in us, we His body. Zero credit or boasting to ourselves: all is of the Father, all is in the Son, all the glory goes to God.

God is good I tell you God is good!!!!!!!!!!! I felt like I didn't fit in but with God, I know were I belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! let God love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verse 10: we want to be pleasing to Jehovah God by taking in accurate Bible knowledge and letting this knowledge produce good fruit by our actions.

Daughter of Sion,
Christ lives within us. The mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory. Colossians 1:26-27 (I pray that the LORD relieve you of your depressive episode, in Jesus name amen)

The world is forever changing, but God remains the same.
It isn’t His will that any perish
but, have eternal life.

And hath Translated Us into The Kingdom of His Dear Son: In Whom We have Redemption Through His Blood, Even The Forgiveness of Sins: Who is The Image of The Invisible God, The Firstborn of Every Creature: Colossians 1: 13-15

It seems today that everyone wants to do things in their own way and still be accepted. These verses show that to walk worthily of God and please him fully, we have to have accurate knowledge of the Bible and spiritual comprehension. There are many faiths and ideas about God , but the ONE true way to serve him is found in the Bible. If we study it sincerely we will know the truth.

As much there is to learn from this chapter, one small thing many miss: Jesus, the Creator, had power over all of creation.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things consist. Colossians 1: 16-17

Jesus is the Jehovah God become human to reverse the curse of Adam. He could not find one holy man to reverse the curse. So He became a man to save us. It was the only way He could find.

Jehovah God used Jesus Christ to create all other things. Things in heaven and things on earth.

the message of this chapter is that God is in us all nd that we should this with all we know and whom we meet in our life,i do find it interesting about the things unseen written in this chapter but we are not meant to know all we are not God we are his children,God bless all and stay and pray for the full Armour of God in this day and age every piece remember how strong God/Jesus's word is

The mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations
But now is made manifest to His saints.
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in You, the Hope of Glory!
Whom we (need to) preach warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
O lovely GodGrace

Paul was given a dispensation of God (vs 25) to fulfill a personal calling to suffer in the flesh for the Church, the body of Christ. (vs 24). Jesus' blood bought our eternal salvation. Paul's sufferings in the flesh, served to build the church of Jesus Christ. "And fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake". Ananias said as much to Paul, Acts 9:16.

Colossians is a one of my favorites of the King James. Every chapter so powerful how Jesus pours out His grace continuously even through tribulations.

Like it says in Psalms 1:1 b... nor sits in the seat of the scornful.
Not stitng full of scorn and what is better?
Loving.
Not being harsh.
Only remember Christ in You ,
Colossians 1: 27 b
Christ in You, the hope of glory.