Discuss Colossians 1 Page 21

Isaiah 9:6 Tell us his name shall be called wonderful counsellor,The Mighty God everlasting Father prince of peace.God said in ( Isaiah 43:19) Behold I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth shall ye not no it? well I guess that being proven.As far as Christ being a man and God at the same time and not! being able to govern the Universe that's a misconception of the human mind. Jesus said to Nicodemus a man who was confused like many here today StJohn 3:12 If I have told you of earthly things and you believe not how shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things and no man hath ascended up to heaven but the same that came down from heaven even the Son of Man which IS IN HEAVEN!!hello. The Bible dose not say God the Son because The Godhead is not divide because the Son is only the (Word) which is God's prophetic description of himself which he incarnated into flesh. Not another person!! bur the expressed image of his!! person.Hebrews1:3( John 14:9-11) Jesus did not say he that seen me hath seen God the Son he said hath seen the Father ( Colossians 2:9 for in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily Christ is not a fallen man like us. We can't limit what he can do; because of what we! cant do or don't understand that's why 1Tomothy 3:16 say's its a mystery. Not every one will understand; that's the book that is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ says blessed is him that readeth and understands.( Philippians 2:19)say who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God; But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant. Yes he dose pray to his own spirit Deity!( Ephesians 1:9 says Having made known unto us the Mystery of his will according to the pleasure which he purposed in himself. Hello!!11th verse who worketth all things after the counsel of his own will.( Isaiah 40:10)Behold the Lord God will come with a strong hand and his arm shall rule for him. verse 13 who hath directed the spirit of the Lord; or being his counsellor hath taught him? with whom took he counsel Who instructed him and taught him in the path of Judgment and taught him Knowledge,and taught to him the way of understanding. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to me of my Father and no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and HE to whom THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM. So there you no nothing of the father but what Jesus has revealed blessed is he that readeth and understands.

According to to all these Bible scriptures and the Hebrew prophets there is no Son of GOD who is not also! GOD(Hebrews1:6-13) because if he is not God manifest in the flesh then he's not the son of God either ( 1Timothy 3:16) Psalms 100:2 says know ye that the Lord he is God" How many Gods do you think there are? To say that Jesus is separate from God contradicts the words of Jesus himself (StJohn10:30) even the Devil knows there's one God and trembles, to believe there's more than one God is to be a heathen(Deuteronomy6:4 (James2:19) ( Isaiah 9:6_(40:3..6(44:6..8)(45:20..23)(Psalms110) Revelation 22:3..5 tells us int the end there is no more curse but the throne of God and of the Lamb is in it that concludes the whole prophetic word of redemption, once the son ship is over! Jesus Christ in his eternal glory is the eternal God.

i love col 1-14 it has power in the message i consider it a prayer

jehova names has been remove because they want to make trinity doctrine true wich ist not true jehova is the only true GOD and jesus is his son the first born pleased peoples way up look at this and see that there its not trinity colossians 1:15 and isaih 42:8 john 20:17 revelation 3:11,12 filemon 2:5,6 act 7:55,56 and the hole bilbe says God jehova and jesus the lamb of God

hi, i think other blible descriptions they remove jehova name just to try that there its a trinity doctrine which its not true ,, jehova its the only true GOD and jesus first born colossians 1:15 isaiah 42:8 philemon 2:5 first timothy 2:2,6 john 20:17 revelation 3:11,12

The word "If" is not "Ean" in Greek but "EI" . We are often comfortable with "if" which means a condition that is not yet fulfilled, a hypothetical condtion with the possibility of a future realization. But in this verse the "If" have the idea of "ASSUMING THAT YOU CONTINUE IN THE FAITH, ie CONTINUANCE IN THE GOSPEL AS IT WAS PREACHED BY PAUL WOULD SHOW THAT THE PERSON WAS SAVED AND THEREFORE WOULD BE PRESENTED HOLY WITHOUT BLEMISH AND UNCHANGEABLE BEFORE GOD. It is not the retention of salvation but the possession of salvation shown by their continuance in the gospel.

I have NEVER read in the Bible the phrase "GOD the son" can you please give any scripture where it says God the son? The answer to that is NO. However it does say son of God. God is a spirit they that worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. God , son, and Holy ghost are one not 3 . Referance jon 3'16, 1John 3'16 even says for GOD laid down his life. Here oh Israel our Lord our God is one.

Jesus prayed to His Father before the crucifictionto let the cup pass him by...and He said to His Father right before He died "Father, in Your hands I now give up my spirit" Surely He wasn't talking to himself.

It means that His Father gave to Him the authority to do what He did. He said the what you see me do or hear me say I all comes from My Father... Jesus never took credit for doing anything. He always gave the credit to His father.

I would like to address these comments by 1st saying I respect yr opinions. When Jesus was a baby who was over the universe? Remember,like anyone else God has attributes. One of his is that he is omni present, he created as spirit and that same spirit wrapped itself in flesh Col 3:16 for great is the mystery of godliness, For without controversy God was manifested in the what? the Flesh! justified in the spirit seen of angels,preached unto the gentiles and recieved into glory who asended? Jesus Christ Right? We just need to take it as its written and believe him for who he is! His name means whatMatt2 God with us right? It didn't say a part of God 1/2 of God. see what I mean? Did not he proclaim in Rev that he is the 1st and last the begin/ending he said he was the almighty! how many all mighties do u need. God bless, chaz from durham nc.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Period!

The mystery of the Gospel that was hid from the ages, Christ in you the hope of glory. Praise God for this is a sure hope that every born again christian has living in him the Spirit of Jesus Christ the hope of glory. David said I will be happy, when I awake in your likeness. This is the blessed hope, that we have in Jesus Christ, that we should be holy, with out spot or wrinkle at his coming. So let the blood of Jesus cleanse you, and make you white as snow. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus Christ.

A Theological Investigations, reputed Catholic scholar Karl Rahner states that “in
St. John’s First Epistle ὁ θεός [“the God”] so often certainly means the Father that it must be understood of the Father throughout the Epistle.” Also, the French Protestant Bible du Centenaire concedes in a footnote that the Greek allows for a non-Trinitarian translation. Incidentally, it not be forgotten that, probably in the fourth century C.E., an overzealous Trinitarian Latin scribe added to 1  John 5:7 the words “the Father, the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one.” This addition, known technically as the “Johannine Comma,” was protected by the Vatican until
1927, in spite of the fact that even some Catholic scholars had raised doubts about its authenticity
as early as the sixth century. This dishonest insertion shows the lengths to which Trinitarians will
go in their efforts to prove their doctrine

God’s Name and the Trinity
Something that makes God very real to Jehovah’s Witnesses is their knowledge and regular use of his personal name, Jehovah. ( Psalm 83:18) When a member of one of Christendom’s churches reads in his Bible the anonymous expression “the name of the Lord,” it means little or nothing to him. Similarly, when he prays “hallowed be thy name,” the chances are that he does not know what name he is praying about. Jehovah’s Witnesses know their God, they know his name and, like the psalmist and Jesus himself, they love their heavenly Father’s name.— Psalm 5:11, 12; John 12:28; 17:6, 26.
Since God’s personal name appears literally thousands of times in the original-language Bible, why has it been expunged from many of Christendom’s Bible translations, and why is it never used by the hundreds of millions of Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant “Christians”? Could the dogma of the Trinity have anything to do with this most extraordinary religious fact?
Interestingly, the Catholic Jerusalem Bible renders Deuteronomy 6:4: “Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one Yahweh.” And a footnote, after giving another possible translation, states: “But it is more likely that we have here a declaration of monotheistic faith.” This, then, is the one God of whom Jesus, speaking as a Jew, stated: “We worship what we know.” ( John 4:22) And this Catholic Bible admits that the name of that one God is Yahweh, or Jehovah. Now, according to Trinitarian theology, Yahweh, or Jehovah, is the name of the God of the Hebrew patriarchs and the Jews, the God whom Jesus came to reveal as “the Father,” or “God the Father.” It follows that for Trinitarians the divine name Yahweh, or Jehovah, designates only one of the supposed “Three Persons” of the “Godhead.” The “Second Person” has a name (Jesus), but the “Third Person” is the anonymous “Holy Spirit.” Christendom’s churches cannot logically use a name for God that does not designate the entire “Godhead.” So their members are condemned to worship a mysterious triune God that has no name.Yet, instinctively, many Catholics feel the need to worship someone they can know and name. This, no doubt, explains why many of them worship Jesus or even Mary. This same instinct to worship a God one can name is even reflected in religious architecture. In scores of Catholic chapels, churches and cathedrals in France and other countries, above the high altar or elsewhere there is a gilded, rayed nimbus representing divine glory. In the center is a triangle, symbolizing the Trinity. Paradoxically, inside the triangle is the Tetragrammaton, the four Hebrew consonants of God’s name, Jehovah. But how many Catholics today realize that it is God’s name?
“One Lord, Jesus Christ”
After having stated: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him,” the apostle Paul added: “And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6) Jehovah’s Witnesses subscribe to that further statement. Jehovah, the Father, is the Source; Jesus, God’s “only-begotten son,” the “firstborn of all creation,” is the means by which the Father accomplishes His will.— John 1:2, 3, 14; Colossians 1:15, 16.

Re: I am in search for TRUTH Per:
Luke Chapter 17 comment about verse 21”; on 11/20/2011, 9:59pm...

TRUTH
Luke Chapter 17:21 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Lu 17:21 Is within you. A kingdom that has its throne in the heart, on which Christ, the King, sits. It has to be formed by yielding our hearts to Christ.
- People's Bible
Romans Chapter 14:17 17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Ro 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink. Christ's dominion; the church visibly; personally, his sway over your soul. This does not depend on "meat and drink". It rises higher than food questions. For the kingdom of God is not food and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
- Webster's Bible Personally, its essence is not in external things. It consists of: Righteousness. Justification; the forgiveness of sins. Peace. Reconciliation to God, and peace of soul as the result. And joy in the Holy Ghost
Righteousness Proverb 11:5 5The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness. The Perfect is God Himself who shall direct His Way in you. By His Spirit, Holy Spirit. The Lord puts the upright and the sinner to the test, but he has hate in his soul for the lover of violent acts. Darby Bible He who goes on his way uprightly, doing righteousness, and saying what is true in his heart; Darby Bible Prov. 15:2 Knowledge is dropping from the tongue of the wise; but from the mouth of the foolish comes a stream of foolish words. Darby Bible In your name will they have joy all the day: in your righteousness will they be lifted up. Darby Bible Psalms 85 10Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed [each other]. Mercy and faith have come together; righteousness and peace have given one another a kiss. Darby Bible
Joy ~ But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, a quiet mind, kind acts, well-doing, faith,
- Darby Bible Gal 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit. The fruits named are not our fruits, but of the Spirit in us. If we bear these fruits we show that we have the Spirit. There are four groups: Love. The Christian grace which works out the whole law. Joy, peace. The normal state of the Christian. Longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness. The graces which relate to others. Temperance. Or self-control. The last fruit looks to oneself. It implies not only abstinence from injurious drinks and food, but control of the temper, the tongue, the desires, the passion for money or power. People's Bible
Gal 55 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Gal 56 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Gal 57 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again
John 3:5 Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, etc. Jesus does not reply directly to the question of Nicodemus, but proceeds to give more explicit statement concerning the new birth. One must be born of water and of the Spirit. Whatever this may mean, it will be admitted by all (1) that no one is a member of the kingdom of God until he is born again; (2) that the Savior declares the impossibility of one entering who is not born of water and of the Spirit. All agree that the birth of the Spirit refers to the inward, or spiritual change that takes place, and all candid authorities agree that "born of water" refers to baptism. So Alford, Wesley, Abbot, Whitby, Olshausen, Tholuck, Prof. Wm. Milligan, the Episcopal Prayer Book, the Westminister Confession, the M. E. Discipline, and M. E. Doctrinal Tracts, and also the writers of the early Church all declare. Alford says: ``All attempts to get rid of this have sprung from doctrinal prejudices.'' Abbott says: ``We are to understand Christ as he expected his auditor to understand him. John the Baptist baptized both Jew and Gentile as a sign of purification by repentance from past sins. Nicodemus would then have certainly understood by the expression, "born of water", a reference to this rite of baptism.'' People's Bible
Joel 2:28 And after that, it will come about, says the Lord, that I will send my spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters will be prophets, your old men will have dreams, your young men will see visions: Darby Bible
Acts 2:17 It shall come to pass in the last days. The phrase "Last days" was used by the Jews to denote the last dispensation, that of Christ. See Isa 2:2. I will pour out of my Spirit. A figurative expression to indicate abundant gifts of the Spirit. Upon all flesh. On all races, not on the Jews alone. Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. "To prophesy" in the New Testament means to communicate religious truth by divine authority, as well as to foretell the future. The prophecy was fulfilled in the inspired speaking on Pentecost and afterwards, as well as by the daughters of Philip (21:9). It will be seen that both sexes are included. See visions . . . dream dreams. Such visions as that of Peter at Joppa (Ac 10:9-16). Such dreams as that of Paul at Troas, where he saw the Macedonian asking him to "Come and help us" (Ac 16:9). People's Bible
Luke 4:1, 4, 18 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, came back from the Jordan, and was guided by the Spirit in the waste land Darby Bible Lu. 4:1-13 The Beginning of Christ's Ministry SUMMARY OF LUKE 4: The Temptation. Teaching in the Synagogues. Jesus at Nazareth. Rejected by the Nazarenes. Jesus at Capernaum. The Unclean Spirit Cast Out. The Healing of the Mother-in-Law of Peter. The Temptation. See notes on Mt. 4:1-11. Compare Mt. 1:12,13. People's Bible
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because I am marked out by him to give good news to the poor; he has sent me to make well those who are broken-hearted; to say that the prisoners will be let go, and the blind will see, and to make the wounded free from their chains,
Basic English Bible
Joel 2:28 And after that, it will come about, says the Lord, that I will send my spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters will be prophets, your old men will have dreams, your young men will see visions:
Darby Bible
John 20:21-22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: And when he had said this, breathing on them, he said to them, Let the Holy Spirit come on you: Darby Bible When he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit!
- World English Bible
Acts 2:33, 39, 40 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. And so, being lifted up to the right hand of God, and having the Father's word that the Holy Spirit would come, he has sent this thing, which now you see and have knowledge of. Darby Bible
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call Ac 2:39 For the promise. Of pardon, and the gift of the Spirit. Unto you. Even unto those who rejected the Lord. To your children. Your children after you. To all that are afar off. To the Gentiles. That he refers to the Gentiles is shown in the next clause, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. Peter spoke as the Spirit gave him utterance, and perhaps did not fully comprehend his own words. People's Bible
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Acts 2:40 Save yourselves. This was the object of the "many other words". They could "save themselves" by complying with the conditions named in Ac 2:38, and thus accepting Christ as their Savior. From this perverse generation. The wicked Jewish race People's Bible
Acts 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. And with great power did the apostles give testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord; and great grace was in them all. Douay Rheims Bible
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: To whom God would make known. To the saints he would reveal the glory of the mystery. The glory of the mystery is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Christ dwelling in the saved and filling their hearts with the hope of glory. People's Bible
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Notice that the Word has a beginning, compare with with Colossians 1:15. Almighty God does not have a beginning.

Jesus is god manifested in the flesh. The holy spirit is the true power of god because it exists as the invisible god in heaven and in jesus our lord and saviour the living god on earth. Our creator is what all things consist of so the mystery is clear. For him, by him. Knowing the fact that jesus is what holds our dna together helps us understand the indept meaning behind his omnipotence. The reign of sin and death to enable us to understand the reason for us seek out our creator. Our father Appearing to us Born of flesh visibly in christ jesus to show us the nature And way of holiness and purity. And To witness through scripture Our fathers dominion over the heavens and earth Even as he dwelled among us is yet another remarkable degree of his existence. Before him there is no other god nor after. Glory to god almighty.

Have you ever thought that this may mean in one accord. If Jesus is God, then explain Matt 3:17, is he referring to himself? What about John 1:14, John 14:28,1 Corinth 11:3 and of course John 3:16? So tell me if Jesus is God, then when Jesus was a baby, who was over the universe?

Paul is traing to show to us that Jesus is a true God. That why say in the book of Romans 10v9, that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord you will be save. My quetion is, should we contieun pray or call Jehova.

Jesus is God because He is One with His Father.

I completely agree with Kelly!

The scripture says that we are delivered from the power of darkness, not darkness itself. As one is able to overcome the power of gravity,yet are we not free from gravity itself. I believe this verse refers to the reign of sin and death ( romans 5:21) and the release from the power of sin ( romans 6:14).

Ijust love Paul I like how he tell you just what you have to do how he tell the people what he is doing for them and what they have to do.

Verse 15 tells us he is the image of the invisible God verse 16 makes clear! What is meant by that, in that it says by (him) were all things created in heaven and Earth by him and for him weather they be thrones dominions or principalities. realize there is a throne in heaven if that dosn't tell us who he is then there's always Hebrews chapter 1 verse:8 Why argue against what it says in the Bible. There is!No scripture in the Bible that says that Jesus is seprate from God. while there are Many prophesies from Old Testament to New that says he is the same as God the who New Testament hope rest upon the Sonship of the Godhead if you understand what heir of all things mean!

I just want to praise the LORD, my Lord, who is LORD GOD of all things. He is the firstborn of every created thing. Who has more rights than He? He has created all things, and (for) He is before all things. He is the firstborn from the dead. He created all things, physical and spiritual. He is LORD of all. He is the first, He is the last; and He will stand in the end with the last. When He creates all things new, we will stand with Him in the new. Praise be to the name of God, the LORD Jesus Christ; my LORD, my Lord, my Savior, my Hope.

It's good to give thanks unto God

The great prayer here is that we may be filled with the knowledge of His will with all wisdom and Spiritual understanding and increase in the knowledge of God

Begotten when applied to Jesus Means that he was the only one of God's creations the God Directly created The Firstborn of creations( Colossians 1:15,16)All other creation creations Jesus made. Jesus being the Master worker ( Proverbs 8:30)

Well I know that this scriputer shows that he is the first born of all creations and he is the visble image of the invisable God! Jesus is seprate from God he is the SON of GOD.

I BELIVE THE WORD OF GOD. IT TEACHES THE BODY OF CHRIST TO PRAY ACCORDING TO HIS WORD FOR TOTAL DELIVERANCE.PRAY THAT WE MIGHT BE STRENTHEN. PRAY THAT WE MIGHT WALK WORTHY OF HIS CALLING. PRAY THAT WE MIGHT BE FILLED WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE. THAT'S WHAT THE BODY OF CHRIST IS LACKING TODAY,WE NEED THE KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST SO WE CAN LIVE A LIFE THAT'S PLEASING HIM. HOWEVER, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE OF PREACHERS THAT WILL DECLARE THE TRUE WORD OF GOD.

I just noticed these comments from nearly a year ago, but feel led to add some.

God's Word is perfect. But, it takes it being translated into the 'perfect' language of a particular language in order for the translation to be 'perfect.' And the King James Version is perfect English. They did not talk backwards, we do, in a way.

While, the Holy Bible mentions the word 'tree' in Acts, which the cross of Christ was, there are many other scriptures withing the contents of the written Word of God; the Holy Bible, that clarify the fact that a piece of wood was attached across it, making that 'tree,' therefore, 'a cross.'

The importance of God's Word mentioning 'the cross' was 'a tree,' is that it serves to confirm what 'the cross' was made from. It also relates to the Lord saying, in the Old Testament, that 'cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree.'

Galatians 3: 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Regardless of that being said, ALL of mankind was already UNDER a CURSE, due to sin, which was why we needed a Saviour to die for our sins. But, Jesus, by 'hanging on a tree,' made it VIVIDLY CLEAR that, while the body in which He had come was flesh, like mankind's, He INSIDE that body was NO mere man, but was the Word, the POWER, and RIGHTEOUSNESS, of God, Who was to, by His Spirit, utterly CONSUME; BURN UP, all the sins that were laid upon Him; ALL our sins, and ALL the sins of everyone of mankind who ever was, and ever would be born into the world.

So, while in this passaage of God's Word, it mentions 'a tree,' saying:

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on A TREE:,

there are plenty of other scriptures in the same Holy Bible that clarifies that a piece of wood was attached across it (purposed to nail his hands to it,) in that it is referred to clearly as a 'CROSS.'


Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of THE CROSS.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of HIS CROSS, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Ephesians 2:14 For HE is OUR PEACE, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of THE CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the POWER of God.

The CROSS of Jesus Christ is the POWER of God to us which are saved, because HE that suffered, and died, for us on it is the POWER of God:

1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, CHRIST the POWER of God, and the wisdom of God.

Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in THE CROSS of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto HIMSELF, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.