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YOU DIED and CHRIST BECAME the NEW INNER MAN.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OF GOD doeth not commit sin; for HIS SEED (God's SEED is CHRIST) REMAINETH in him (the one born again), and he (the one born again) CANNOT SIN, because he (died and) is BORN OF GOD.
Believing Jesus came in the flesh and died for our sins, and being BORN AGAIN are two different things.
This comes back to those that said Lord, DID WE NOT, and the Lord said, NO you did't, I DID, depart I never knew you, ye workers of iniquity.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY ....CHRIST IN YOU ........
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU (because you are dead) both TO WILL (not your will, because you are dead) and TO DO HIS GOOD PLEASURE (not your good pleasure, because you are dead).
GbU
Matthew 7:21-23
You and I and all mankind were born as sinful flesh, not knowing the truth of God.
Christ came, in the flesh, as sinful flesh.
It, SINFUL FLESH, DIED with Christ on HIS CROSS. You and I and all mankind DIED on the cross with Christ.
Three days latter Christ arose with a NEW BODY, we also shared in Christ resurrection, we now are that LIFE.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy IS HE that hath HIS PART in the first resurrection,...
It is no longer, YOU and I as sinful flesh, but that ONE LIFE of Christ in now, US ALSO.
We are just the body, Christ is THE LIFE, therefore everything we do and say and think is actually THE LIFE of Christ causing it. We are being created in the image of Christ.
Christ is also a body, and the LIFE of the Father is HIS (Christ's) LIFE, HIS (Christ's) WORDS, HIS (Christ's works) WORKS.
Christ said, it's not my words but my Father's words, it's not my works but my Father's works, Of MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING.
Christ said, I am the vine, you are the branches, without me (MY LIFE) you can do nothing.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... (the LIFE) CHRIST IN YOU .....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU (you died on the cross and became a new creation, you and Christ as ONE) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcomrth and keepeth MY WORKS .....
And they will say in that day, Lord did not WE, and he will say depart for it was not you but ME.
Most believe that have life of themselves, but the word says life is only in the SRIRIT.
We are just the body that does the labour of CHRIST, THE LIFE.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (LIFE and TRUTH) doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Christ's LIFE became your LIFE, and Christ cannot sin.
GBU
"how often in scripture does God refer to Israel as saints?"
I don't have your answer because it is a big answer.
Here is how you can study words used in scripture and the variety of words translated into the English word 'saint':
Get ahold of a Young's Analytical Concordance and each origin word translated into Saint from Genesis to Revelation is listed.
A great word study is 'Receive' or 'Recieved' in the book of Acts because two very important and different words were used and both have a unique significance so sometimes the answer is bigger than the question here.
You will see different Hebrew and Greek words listed for each occurence.
Young's Concordance offers an easy way to see exactly what you are asking.
hopes this helps.
Saints today have holy spirit so if you did Romans 10:9 you are Sanctified and made holy with the spirit of God that dwells in you. Colossians 1:27.
You don't have a spirit, God is the only Spirit.
This is part of being born INTO TRUTH.
Ephesians 4:4 For there is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT .....
Ephesians 4:4 ONE GOD, and FATHER OF ALL ......
Man is only the body (or vessel) of THE SPIRIT. Of yourself you can do NOTHING.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind (renewing your mind to TRUTH) be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of GOD (a body holding ONE SPIRIT), thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD.
There is only ONE LIFE (SPIRIT, GOD).
You are only the vessel that holds that LIFE, when your body dies, only LIFE and TRUTH remain.
You are instantly in the presence of God, because you HAVE been BORN AGAIN by the TRUTH of God's word.
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (SPIRIT, LIFE, TRUTH) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery ....Christ in you .....(the body)
GBU
John the Baptist would have been That Prophet had Judah recieved Christ but they rejected him.
John the Baptist was like the famous Elijah because he was a fore runner to get Israel baptized to prepare to receive their King and the Redemption out from the devil's dominion.
He was a son of a Temple Servant: A Levite, but never served the temple, he was not A team material in the tribe like Elijah.
He Never served the Temple.
Malachi chapter 3:1
" Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple,"
Isaiah chapter 66 v 1 has some very rhetorical questions of Where God Dwells.
Today's Temple is in you. God was in Christ reconciling Himself to the world and Colossians 1:27 states that to the Born Again, it is " Christ in You".
The new temple Christ will build in 3 days AFTER the existing remains/ foundations are WASTED, is where God will Dwell with His People: The Bride of Christ.
The Bride are the leadership like in the wilderness: levites. Virgins because they did not worship other gods.
We are members of the Body of Christ, where God Dwells Now.
The Bride's outreach is to those who are in the resurrection of the just; the Children who are taught in dreamy sweet Tabetnacles like David's was.
They need to confess and believe too to 'brand-up' with eternal life because it was not accessible to them before they died.
The refining begins by establishing leadership.
The temple to serve today is Not the Bride, it is the Body of Christ.
Elijah to come has holy spirit, is born again and it is Christ who has commissioned him.
When Christ comes to his temple, he comes to the Body of Christ whom Elijah is counted among.
Romans 10:9
Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Wendy, you are a new creation in Christ.
Christ came as sinful flesh (you were that sinful flesh) and DIED, Wendy, you, sinful flesh died on that cross, and as you died with Christ, you also arose with Christ, a new creation.
Colossians 1:27 ....that mystery....Christ in you ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Spirit)(Christ in you) that WORKETH (Spirit)(Christ, not you, you died) in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I (Christ) will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statues, and ye shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
And truth shall set you free.
Philippians 4:13 I (Wendy, the new creation) can do all things THROUGH Christ which strengeneth me.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the (works of) the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us that are saved it (the workings of the cross) is the POWER OF GOD.
GBU
Christ was the first to be filled with the FULLNESS OF GOD (the divine nature).
Through the works of his cross, he (the Holy Ghost) is indwelling mankind and giving them the heritage of the divine nature, becoming son's of God (SPIRIT).
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery, CHRIST (diety) IN YOU ......
GBU
I don't believe any of us have a problem with Jesus being called the Son of God & the Son of Man - for so He is. From your understanding, Jesus began life only at birth, as the Holy Spirit placed the Seed in Mary (of God) & she then gave birth to a Man (of man).
So, the passage you quoted ( 1 Cor 15:26-28) & others signifying Jesus' elevated Position & having all things subject to Him & He being subject to the Father, I would agree to as Jesus was raised from the dead as Man, ascended & at the right Hand of God, receiving worship, & fulfilling His Position in God's Design. The problem does not lie here as we agree to these things. The problem lies whether this Holy One was in an earlier 'Divine State' or not; was He part of the Godhead or only a newly created Being born in Bethlehem?
I noted your understanding, to Adam, on the John 1:1 verse, specifically, "I'm saying that the word of God is instilled in Our Lord Jesus." And John 6:38 as well: "The Holy Spirit of God from heaven produced the manna on earth. The same with Jesus. The Holy Spirit descended on Mary and created the Lord Jesus Christ."
To John 1:1: there are other hurdles to overcome here, viz verses 3 & 14. Verse 3 speaks of "all things being made by Him" & verse 14, "the Word (i.e. that which was with God & was God - of v1) was made flesh". So here we have Someone creating (also seen in Colossians 1:13-17) & that Word from God being given flesh. I doubt if any could avoid a clear understanding of what is being taught here. And then we have John 8:57,58, John 17:5, etc. If I avoided these verses, I could well agree with you, but Scripture taken in totality simply presents this Jesus as Someone far greater from eternity than a special sinless creation in Bethlehem. It would be interesting to learn your view on these other verses, as many others have failed to come back to me when asked of them.
The word Godhead is in the KJV three times.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's. Godhead, os theios, meaning godlike, divine, divinity.
We see this same word in 2 Peter 1:3-4 translated divine, referring to an attribute of God, not to God Himself.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Godhead, , theiots meaning divinity, divine nature, theiotes has same meaning as theios.
Colossians 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead. bodily. theotes meaning deity.
My understanding, and I'm sure I am in the minority here; it refers to God's and Jesus's divine characteristics and nature. The word Godhead is used in conversation and discussion, referring to the trinity creed that I do not agree with. The divinity of Jesus the only begotten Son of God cannot be questioned. He is the beginning of creation and through Him all that is, Colossians 1:15-1 but there is many scriptures that does not support this creed.
I could post more but I hope you can use this in your study for your own understanding, not mine. Pray and let the Holy Spirit guide you.
God bless,
RLW
Psalms 92:4 For thou Lord, has made me glad through thy work: I will triumph in the works of thy hands.
Psalms 92:3 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
Psalms 92:4 A brutish man knoweth not, nor doeth a fool understand this.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Kay, we died on the cross, the life now in us is Christ.
Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (CHRIST IN YOU) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
We are the body of Christ.
Psalms 104:30 Thou (Father) sendeth forth thy Spirit (Christ in you), they are created, thou renewest the face of the earth (with son's of God).
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
GOD bless all those who have trusted in the Name of the SAVIOR the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
March 27, 2022
John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....
Revelation 21:1 and I say a NEW HEAVEN.....CHRIST IN YOU.... for the FIRST HEAVEN had passed away....
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) has come unto you.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven (in you): Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ....(deception, lies falsehoods)
Revelation 12:8 And (lies, falsehoods and deception) prevailed not; neither was THEIR PLACE found anymore in HEAVEN (in you).
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying IN HEAVEN (in you), Now is come SALVATION ....
Revelation 12:12 Therefore now rejoice, YE HEAVENS .......
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord God, doth not he speak in parables.
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing SEE NOT, and hearing they HEAR NOT, neither do they UNDERSTAND.
Christ came to heal the blind and deaf and cause the lame to walk.
GBU
Casting lots is simply so we can understand that it's God's work and God's appointed timing. We receive these benefits of mercy and truth at God's appointed time and by HIS WORKS.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him ABIDETH IN YOU, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (the anointing) has taught you, you shall abide in him.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (CHRIST IN YOU) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You are THE BODY OF CHRIST, the new BIRTH.
We have allowed our elected leaders, on most every level of our society, on most every level of economics, and specially spiritually to lead us away from the LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST. We have allowed the voice of the minority to over power us and dictate to us a life style we do not believe praises the LORD according to Scripture.
The LORD GOD is our only hope and peace on this earth. Thankfully, if you are saved by the grace of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, then your eternal destiny has already been determined.
Our life here on earth is supposed be abundant and the envy of other countries; however it is not because we have departed from the faith of the LORD and HIS Word.
Praying for our POTUS Biden, VPOTUS Harris, SOHR Pelosi, SML Schumer, all the sitting members of the US congress, and senate to come to their senses and LEAD with the mind and desire of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Praying for our spiritual leaders- our pastors, and all the saints to rise up in prayer and worship the LORD in truth and in spirit. We may not be able to stop the present evil to come, but we can plant the seed of the gospel into more hearts and souls as the LORD would have us to do. We ask You FATHER GOD for courage and wisdom in order to walk through the evil that is before us.
PS 23:3 -5; 1 Corinthians 10:13; Colossians 1: 10-13;
GOD bless all on this forum. The LORD shine HIS grace and peace on you and your family.
March 14, 2022
Genesis 1, Hebrews 1:10,
Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13, John 1:1-5, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:18, Luke 24:27, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 1:8,
Psalms 80:15-17, symbolic? Genesis 2, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, John 15,
Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Mark 15:34, Mark 15, in context
Hebrews 9:24-28,
The last, 1Corinthians 15:45, Romans 5:12-21, John 19:30,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
Deity is the only explanation for all that He was and all that He did.
(1) He was pre-existent with the Father. "The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made" ( John 1:2, 3, KJV). (Also see John 17:5 and Colossians 1:17.)
(2) He is the Son of God.
His enemies admitted: "He...said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God" ( John 5:18, KJV).
Peter confessed: "And we believe and are sure that thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" ( John 6:69, KJV).
Jesus affirmed: "I and my Father are one" ( John 10:30, NIV).
(3) He was sinless, as only God can be.
Jesus challenged His enemies: "Which of you convinceth me of sin?" ( John 8:46, KJV).
Peter testified: "...Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth" ( 1 Peter 2:21, 22, KJV).
Paul stated: "For he...made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" ( 2 Corinthians 5:21, KJV).
(4) He forgives sin, as only God can.
The Scribes said: "Who can forgive sins but God only?" ( Mark 2:7, KJV).
Jesus said: "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins..." ( Matthew 9:6, KJV). (Also see John 8:11.)
Peter wrote: "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" ( 1 Peter 2:24, KJV).
(5) He performed miraculous works.
He healed the sick: Matthew 8:9-13; Luke 4:31-44; 5:12-15; John 4:43 to 5:16; and other references.
He fed the hungry: John 6; Mark 8, etc.
He raised the dead: Luke 7:11-18; John 11:1-46.
Jesus Christ Became Man:
"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...full of grace and truth" ( John 1:14, KJV). (See also Philippians 2:7, 8.)
Psalms 130:4, Colossians 1:14, Ephesians 1:7, Acts 26:18, Luke 7:47,48, Psalms 32:1, Acts 8:22, Psalms 85:2,
Ephesians 4:26,
Proverbs 11:3,
Psalms 119:16, Hebrews 2:18, James 1:12, 1Corinthians 10:13,
Hopefully these are helpful
But after Jesus died for mankind's sins, all who put their faith in Him to save them from the penalty of their sins, are drawn into His Church by the Holy Spirit. In Colossians 1:18, we read, "And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." This verse alone tells us that the Church is His Body to which He is the Head. It speaks to us vividly that those He has purchased with His Blood are now inseparably part of Him & the Church derives its life, power, eternal existence, & continual hope & longing, because of her Head's constant ministry of Love & Grace. And this Jesus does by the Presence of His Spirit in each of His children.
So, who is the Church? It certainly isn't any particular denomination or sect of Christianity. It isn't any particular assembly of believers as seen in the 'churches' mentioned in Revelation chapters 2 & 3. The true Church of Christ, known as Christ's Body, are those who have been forgiven of their sin, having the Spirit of Christ within, & living according to the dictates of the Spirit. When Jesus comes to take away His Church, we might be surprised as to where the members of His Body come from, because the Church is not a particular group meeting together, but of those saved individuals that comprise the group, the Church.
Yep, Jesus has been reigning since God placed His name above all and put all under Him, and will reign here on earth after His second coming until all enemies are under His feet, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death", Revelation 20:14. Some say it will not be on earth because when Jesus first came He told Pilate His kingdom is not of this world, John 18:36. And He is now sitting on His throne and we are in the kingdom now, Colossians 1:13.
When Jesus first came it was spiritual, for those who entered the kingdom their names were written in the book. When Jesus comes again, His second coming will be physical, it says we will ever be with the Lord 1 Thessalonians 4:17. We see in Revelation when Satan is released, they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, we should understand Jesus would also be there Revelation 20:9. When Jesus returns, He does not go back up He stays until all is fulfilled.
God bless,
RLW
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Galatians 5:11
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Ephesians 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Philippians 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 3:18
(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
*Next 2 verses referring to Jesus
Numbers 21:8
And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a POLE: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, SHALL LIVE.
Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, HE LIVED.
John 1:1-5, Revelation 4:10-11, Colossians 1:12-23, Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 10:1-7,
Note: Isaiah 42:1-12, Isaiah 42:23, compare: the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke & John,
There is a difference I believe because it seems to point out that man Adam being put into the Garden, symbolic of the Church. To tend it, where GOD seems to already have given the Genesis 1:27-28 'created female & males, direction to multiply & subdue take dominion over the earth & creatures land & sea. Genesis 2:7-8, Genesis 5:1-3, interestingly it is the lineage of Seth the Jesus comes through : Luke 3:23-38
1Corinthians 15:45, 1Corinthians 15:42-47, Genesis 2:15, Genesis 2:18-24,
Please keep reading the WORD.
Here's some scriptures about what your Pastor said
2Timothy 3:1-9, 2Timothy 3:12-17, 2Peter 3:3-14, Revelation 2, Revelation 9,
Scripture about the Church
1John 2:15-29, Genesis 49:1,8,9,10,11,12,18, Micah 4:1, Isaiah 2:2, Acts 2:17, Hebrews 10,
1Corinthians 6:2-3, Colossians 1:18,24
Don't worry: Philippians 4:6-8,
Hopefully these are helpful
However, I believe that his position of pastor/priest & living in adultery, becomes untenable - he would need to resign & also confess his sin to his congregation. If he maintains his position & not leave, I suspect that his congregation numbers would soon dwindle, at least by those who know the Word & would be subject to hypocrisy by his continuing as a leader. All sin is evil in God's Sight; how much more should God's servants be circumspect in every area of their lives ( 1 Timothy 3:1-7).
I agree that the Holy Spirit is our witness to Scripture and He will guide us in our study. But I do not agree that a person does not need anyone else for Scripture says that the Holy Spirit appoints some as teachers in the body of Christ and that we are to teach one another. We are a body, we are a corporate entity, not singularly in Christ, but all believers are in Christ and are together His body. So we should remain open to learn from one another and to share our ideas about our study of Scriptures with others.
Proverbs 11:14
"Where there is no counsel, the people fall; But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
Colossians 1:28
"Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ."
But there are times, also, when a person will learn straight from the Spirit. Even then every person is exhorted to not quench the Spirit...and to test all things, hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
1 John 4 "Be:1loved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God...."
We all need to be yielded to the Holy Spirit, we need Him to shape our mind and understanding. We need each other, we should avoid being solitary in our day to day walk with God. We should make an effort to fellowship with others in a variety of ways and for various purposes. Studying God's Word is one of those things and purposes we should seek to do in fellowship with other believers.