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I can't disagree with what you've written Jim, particularly those individual quotes from Scripture. For truly Jesus' coming was in God's Mind at that earliest time in the first man & woman's lives. He was symbolically the spiritual Rock that supplied life-giving water to Israel, as He is also the Giver of that Living Water to all who believe. And He did become the Man Jesus at His Birth as He could also say that He would ascend to His Father & your (Mary's) Father.

The problem becomes evident when we rest only on those individual Scriptures & not look at all the Scriptures that speak of Him. I realize that you did, a few days ago, give your understanding of John 1:1-14, which I can't locate again. How then do you view John 8:58, John 17:5, or even Colossians 1:14-17, to name a few? What you write to us, we can readily agree to, but it's the Scriptures that are not taken into account, that makes understanding a difficult doctrine, one-sided. If these 'other' Scriptures were not given to us, then truly we must believe that Christ came into Being at His Conception in Mary. The examples of verses I've given above would be very difficult to read in any other way than given. Here are Truths that we can't avoid - they, together with His coming as a Man, must fit together so that we can properly understand Who this Jesus is (at least as much as is revealed to us).

Apologies Billy. I read your comment to Adam in a different way.

You're correct, Jesus' Name is not seen there in John 1:1-14, but who then is John the Apostle writing about? I can't think of anyone else that fits that description. John wrote about the Word of God: that which was with God & God Himself (v1). This Word was involved in creation (vv3,10) - notice John begins to use a pronoun (He, Him) describing this Word. In this Word was both Life & Light (v4). When John the Baptist arrived on the scene, he bore witness of that Light (v7). That Word Who was with God & was God, was made a man & lived the life of a man (v14). That Word came to His Own people but they rejected Him (v11), but those who received Him were made sons of God (v12). These are not separate accounts; this whole passage is consistent in its subject matter & implications.

This passage of Scripture is talking about God's Word. It's not about Apostle John or John the Baptist, or anyone else. The only Person Who could fit the bill is God's Word, Jesus Christ: He is the only One Who could be the giver of Life & Light & be the Creator of all things (also Colossians 1:15-17). He is the Only One Who could ask His Father ( John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH thee before the world was."). He is the only One Who could state ( John 6:38: "For I CAME DOWN from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."). And He is the only One Who could tell the Jews ( John 8:58: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.").

I always wonder how folk consider these verses that I've shared here. I'm sure Jesus is not lying to us by saying those things. Do people read those verses as I do or in some other way that I'm missing? Or, should we determine that since the incarnation is 'impossible', therefore all these Scriptures are meaningless? Even if Christ's Deity is hard to understand, we can't simply reject it.

Hello Joseph. That is a great verse couplet ( Mark 12:29,30), which needed no explanation from Jesus, as every Jew had that those words indelibly etched in their minds. This is what they refer to as the "Shema", which means 'Hear' in Hebrew. What Jesus did add, was verse 31, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." And to this declaration, the Scribe/Lawyer clearly affirmed Jesus' Words, to which Jesus perceived that the man was "not far from the kingdom of God". Muslims also have a common declaration which is always repeated, known as the Shahada, but it doesn't bear repeating here because of its content.

However, I don't believe that Jesus was inferring the Trinity, or His Deity, by quoting the Shema. Jesus somewhat veiled this aspect of His Divinity, though never denying any outburst from the religious leaders for His 'blasphemous claims' (e.g. Matthew 26:59-65; John 10:30-38). I think that when certain spiritual eyes were opened, they were able to know from the Words of Jesus & the demonstration of His Life & Works, that this was no ordinary Man, however blessed He might be from God. This was One they had never encountered before: might they be standing before, seeing & listening to God Himself, now come to them in human form to bring light & hope to their darkened souls? When we read the Gospels, we see clearly this conflict amongst many who came before Him; many hated Him & wanted to dispose of Him - others realized the Messiah of God had come for their sakes & they'd better pay attention to Him.

And even though the word 'trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures, all the references to that point to Jesus' presence with God & part of the Godhead ( John 3:13; John 6:38; Colossians 2:9; John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Colossians 1:15-17; & many more), give us undeniable proof of Him & His Words. Only the Christ from God could fully pay the price for our sins, securing our redemption.

A day unto the LORD,

Genesis 1:5, in chronological order of the Bible, maybe not exactly Chronological of actual dates of oldest to newest. 1st reference of day is evening & morning 1st day. Also light day & darkness night. Scientificly can be referenced to earths rotation being a day, approximately 24 hrs. That also in itself isn't completely finite, that's why we have time changes throughout the year spring & fall & leap-year in addition. In that day of creation was the determination as the rotation of the earth? Interestingly the sun & moon were not yet created, Genesis 1:16, therefore was the light from GOD? It does not specify the rotation nor exact hours. Yet classified as "the first day"

Genesis 2:4, it is quoted "in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heavens" as you ask? Here may possibly be the 1st time we can differentiate day being a moment of time, because the previous chapter already clarified/classified 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5,

Genesis 3:8, this may be the perfect example of clearly being 1 actual moment of a 24hr day. It would be interesting to know the different words used for each example from ealier translations & languages. To really study this more thoroughly.

Genesis 3:17 appears to be the 1st time in our translation & English wording that day is plural in multiple yet it was assumed previous as multiple yet as a single moment therefore classified as "a day" Genesis 5:2,

Again we see it Genesis 5:4,5,

Going further outside of Genesis; Luke 6:22-23, also being a moment not necessarily 1 rotation of earth. Luke 10:12, Luke 12:28, Luke 12:46, Luke 17:24, Revelation 6:17,

2 Peter 3:8,10, reading in context 2 Peter 3,

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, Colossians 1:26, there are principles here that help us understand we don't know everything here on earth in the flesh.

Hopefully this is helpful

Here are the scriptures I found concerning dead, in regards to The church.

John 5:19-21,

Early church was instructed

Matthew 10:8, Matthew 10:1-42,

Matthew 8:22, Mark 16:17-18,

Leviticus 21:1-4,

Leviticus 21:10-12,

Numbers 5:1-3, Numbers 19:11-22

Perhaps tradition started after early church hoping for miracle? Mark 7:6-9,

Scripture concerning Apostles :

Romans 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Corinthians 1:1, 1Peter 1:1, 2Timothy 1:1, Galatians 1:1, 2 Corinthians 12:12,

* 1 Corinthians 12:27-28, 1 Corinthians 12, in context*

Additional Matthew 23:8-12, Matthew 23, in context

Hopefully these are helpful

DOES GOD LOVE HIS ENEMIES

Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be children of the Highest: for he is KIND TO the unthankful and to THE EVIL.

Colossians 1:20 And, having MADE PEACE through the blood of his cross, by him TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put ALL THINGS in subjection under his feet. For in that HE PUT ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see NOT YET all things put under him.

Phillipians 2:11 And that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:28 ...and GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

Brother Earl. You stated the following: "they don't BELIEVE that ALL MEN are God's CHURCH". I don't believe it either. God's Church, or Christ's Church, comprise only those saved by the Blood of the Lamb. If they include the wicked & unrepentant as well as those entering into salvation & its blessings with unbelief in their hearts, then that brings shame on Christ's Work towards salvation & makes the Cross meaningless. If Christ "draws all men unto Him", then the only ones who are accepted of the Father are those of whom He spoke, "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." ( John 12:47,48). And God's Judgement is certain, final, & eternal - no second chances to those who die without Christ ( Hebrews 9:27; Hebrews 10:27-29).

"Judah was the only one that had five brothers, so this (reference in Luke 16:27,28) was addressed to the house of JUDAH, creation is the PROMISED SEED of the house of JUDAH." If the reference is to Judah's five brothers, then what is Judah doing sitting in hell in torments? Hopefully, the Jews didn't realize that Jesus was talking about Judah in hell & his five brothers about to enter there as well.

"since Christ is the church, and Christ is creation's brother". Not sure how you work out that Christ is creation's brother. Christ is indeed the Church ( Colossians 1:18,24), but He is also the Creator without familial relationship to His Creation ( Colossians 1:15-17). He does love His creation, but the only brothers He has, are those whom He has purchased with His Own Blood ( Acts 20:28).

Brother S Spencer:

Colossians 1:27 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

It changes nothing about salvation, but includes all in salvation.

Sister Donna, may God grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

God is Spirit, spirit cannot be seen.

God wanted to be seen.

God created a BODY that can be seen, and he filled that body with himself. He called that first BODY; MAN, our LORD, Jesus Christ. (God in a body)

The MAN, Jesus Christ, through the POWER of the unseen Father in HIM, created all other things.

Jesus Christ, through the works of the cross, is now creating in each of us this KNOWLEDGE, that we are A BODY, just like he is a BODY, that is filled with HIMSELF, as he is ONE with the FATHER, we become ONE with HIM and the FATHER.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery... CHRIST IN YOU ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that worketh IN YOU (HIS BODY) TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 4:4 One body, and ONE SPIRIT ...

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, and above all, and through you all, and IN YOU ALL.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are the children of the most high.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

God Bless You.

Amen Brother Alex:

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith (of Christ) we understand that the worlds were framed by the WORD of GOD (Spirit), so the things that ARE SEEN were not made of thing which do appear.

Everything that we see was made of what we CANNOT see: everything was made OF SPIRIT (GOD).

The sun, moon, stars, planets, trees, MAN, etc., etc., are made and do consist OF and IN CHRIST. Man was created in darkness, no KNOWLEDGE that GOD created MAN out of HIMSELF.

Colossians 1:17 .....and by him all things consist.

John 1:5 And he shined LIGHT into DARKNESS and the DARKNESS comprehended it not.

Glory to our God, who in the fullness of time will DESTROY DARKNESS.

God Bless You.

Sister Lise, may God grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The words of God are WRITTEN to his church, we individually are the church.

Now if the CHURCH is not going to be here when the beast and anti-christ are here, why would God have need of putting that in his word.

Revelation says which is, which was, and which is to come.

And no man could buy or sell, save he had the mark of the beast. Has not man been buying and selling since the world begin, man IS buying and selling, WAS buying and selling and SHALL BE buying and selling.

From the beginning God made vessel of honour, that God CHOSE, to fulfill his PURPOSE, but he also made vessels of dishonour, that he CHOSE, to fulfill his PURPOSE.

Abel was Chosen to be a vessel of honour, Cain was Chosen to be a vessel of dishonour.

Genesis 4:15...and set a MARK upon Cain (a beast, a vessel of dishonour)....

A BEAST has no KNOWLEDGE of GOD, we all start as THE BEAST.

Proverbs 9:1-2 WISDOM ....hath killed her BEAST.....

ANTI means against, opposed or not in agreement with: we all start out as ANTI christ.

Proverbs 16:6 By truth and mercy iniquity is purged (destroyed), and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil.

By studying God's Word THE BEAST and THE ANTI CHRIST (no knowledge and wisdom of God within you) is destroyed and replaced by LIFE and TRUTH ( Colossians 1:27), being BORN AGAIN by the word of God. ( 1 Peter 1:23).

God Bless You.

Brother T. Lewis, may Christ grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

There was total darkness when Christ died, because Christ is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a WOMAN clothed with the SUN (the light of the world), and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the house of Israel).

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God doth lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF.

Our physical sun burns and gives light because Christ CAUSES it, Christ is the light (sun). ( Colossians 1:17)

The star the wise men follower was CHRIST, he is the BRIGHT and MORNING STAR. ( Revelation 22:16)

Hi James. I know, that word 'hate' can be very pointed & ugly, especially when seen in the Scriptures. We need to realize that 'hate' as seen here & other places, can have several meanings. The word in Greek is 'miseo', & of course, it does mean 'to hate' but also can have other meanings according to application, i.e. 'to detest, to love less, to esteem less'. So, it's not always an ugly uncontrolled emotion that is shown. You can think of Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Did the Lord mean to say that we are to feel such hatred for our family just so that we can truly follow Him? Or did He mean that we need to esteem Him more, putting Him first in everything even to giving our family second place?

And then we have another conundrum as seen in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I share this verse simply to demonstrate the usage & understanding of languages. In Isaiah, we read of two strange phenomena: God creating darkness & creating evil. Can a God Who is altogether Light & altogether Holy & Good create such things? Some might say, yes, because He is God. Rather we should consider that in light of Who God is, maybe the creation of darkness, is actually God removing His Light. Maybe the creation of evil, is God removing His Peace. Darkness is always the default just as is Evil the present default in the World. We enjoy both physical & spiritual Light because of God's intervention through Christ ( Colossians 1:16,17; John 8:12) - we also enjoy great quietness & enjoyment of life because God by His Spirit is holding back the full onslaught of evil ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).

Therefore Romans 9:13 & Malachi 1:2,3 that speak of 'hating Esau', can only mean that Esau was hated (rejected) in God's Plan, just as Jacob was loved (accepted).

Brother David, put the verses below together and mediate on them in the spirit.

We are here on earth and the kingdom is within us. Christ is the body that holds the fullness of the Father, Christ is ONE with the Father, a body with LIFE in that body, we are (ONE) the body and Christ is the LIFE in the body.

Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY..... CHRIST IN YOU.....

Ephesians 4:4

Mark 8:35

Matthew 7:14

Christ is the SEED and the SEED, when planted, bears SEED exactly like the SEED planted. Look at the way God has made plants and animals to reproduce, after their LIKENESS. God reproduces no different than what he created reproduces. Jesus is the first (son of god), Jesus is the last (son of god).

Job 38:7 When the MORNING STARS (plural) sang together (ONE), the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy.

Revelation 22:16

Revelation 2:28

God Bless You!

1 Thessalonians 4:17 "caught up"

Part I

PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure

A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our COMFORT And Consolation. Amen. 1 Thessalonians 4:18

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A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

Time Of JACOB's (Israel's) Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom "ages" past/future Genesis-John Hebrews-Revelation

God's "Earthly Kingdom" Purpose From "the foundation of the world" Matthew 25:34

God's Purpose Prophesied "since the world began" Luke 1:68-70 Acts 3:21

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST, Ending God's Age Of GRACE, Is Found In

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God, Which Is Current for us, Today, Under GRACE = "But NOW!" Romans through Philemon, Especially Romans 3:21 Ephesians 2:13

"Whereof I am made a minister, According To The (GRACE) Dispensation Of God Which Is Given To me for you, to Fulfil The Word of God; Even The Mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, BUT NOW Is Made Manifest to his saints" Colossians 1:25-26

God's "Heavenly Hidden" Purpose Before "the foundation of the world" Ephesians 1:4 2 Timothy 1:9

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret "since the world began" Romans 16:25 Ephesians 1:4-8 Ephesians 1:8-11 Ephesians 3:5-9

to be continued in Part II God's Great GRACE Departure

Part III God's Great GRACE Departure

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

The Second 'prophesied' Coming

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly 'Mystery!'

1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!

CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven! Ephesians 1:19-23 Colossians 1:18 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And With The Trump of God! 1 Thessalonians 4:16

3) JESUS CHRIST, Who Is God, Will Bring With Him, those "asleep In JESUS," who Were With Him In Heaven! 2 Corinthians 5:6,8 Philippians 1:21,23 1 Thessalonians 4:13,14

4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those asleep (in 3) First, and Then, we "which are alive and remain (which Is A Mystery)," will be changed/all "incorruptible, And Caught Up together (rapture) to meet The LORD in the air (Not all the way to the earth), in the twinkling of an eye!" 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 1 Corinthians 15:52-53

5) CHRIST "Gathers His Body To HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven" (Opposite of earth)... 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 1 Corinthians 15:49 2 Corinthians 12:2 2 Corinthians 5:1,2 Ephesians 1:3,20 Ephesians 2:6 Philippians 3:20 2 Timothy 4:18

6) ...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body, By The Head Himself!... Romans 2:6,16 Romans 14:10-12 1 Corinthians 3:6-11 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 6:20 2 Corinthians 5:10 Ephesians 6:8 Colossians 3:24-25

to be continued in:

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

Part IV

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... Ephesians 5:27

7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! 1 Thessalonians 3:13 Colossians 1:5,22 1 Corinthians 6:3 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been

assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of Glorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' for "all to see" today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" 1 Thessalonians 4:18

Colossians 1:18

We reflect the image of GOD so we go about with unveiled faces. 2 Corinthians 3:13-14,16,17,18, Romans 8:1-8,10-15, all of Romans 8, Luke 9:23-26, Matthew 16:25-27,

If you're in USA the Declaration of Independence of The United States of America, The Constitution of The U.S. & every State Constitution including Hawaii, : We The People of the U.S. to be the governing authority. Please read each Preamble!. Furthermore it not only affirms We The People being the Governing authority but that we have a Duty to stand against tyranny & long chain of abuses. The free World depends on it, & for us being given the authority to lead.

The orgin of a'shot' is protecting our own lives. Matthew 16:25-27, Luke 9:23-26,

There are documents & whistle blowers exposing aborted child organs used & material that fights against the immune system of man, made by GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS image. Genesis 1:27,

Colossians 1:13-16 through the blood, (through the blood)

Psalms 106:36-39

Amen, Brother David:

Revelation 4:13 .....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth .....

Only the VESSEL (our body) remains to be inhabited by GOD.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY, ONE SPIRIT.

We are the body of Christ

Colossians 1:27.... this mystery.... Christ in you .....

Hi Bro Alex,

Thanks for your response. You have a unique perspective on this scripture. Your take is quite different from my more orthodox interpretation. I've never looked at it, or thought about it in the manner as you are stating. I will think and pray about it, and let the Holy Spirit guide me along my journey.

I do believe that our fleshly bodies are sinful and defective, and hence our physical bodies will die. I believe our souls will be resurrected, and if we receive HIS favorable judgement, then Jesus will again blow life into us, but this time the life we receive will be eternal life in His Kingdom!

I really don't believe any of us have all the answers, and that is why we need to fellowship and share our thoughts. It is my belief that when we share God's scripture and our "own unique interpretation" we can all grow in Knowledge and in God, as we continue to get closer to the end times.

In summary: I truly believe that if we close our minds to others because we think we have all the answers, that is the time we stop growing.

Colossians 1:10

"That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;"

1 Peter 2:1-2

Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

God Bless

Sister GiGi:

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee, that they may all be one in us ....

This says that whatever and however the Father and Son have existed since the beginning, is the way we will also exist, in them, forever.

Colossians 1:19 For it please the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth ALL in ALL.

You can have the doctrines of man, I will take the doctrines of WORD.

Brother Dan, you want be judged in the final judgement, you are being JUDGED NOW, by the words of God. Judgement is, COMING TO TRUTH.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come (today) that Judgement must begin at he house of God.....

Hebrews 3:6 For Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE.

2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ....

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery...Christ in you..

The judgement seat is in you, you are now APPEARING before Christ and judgement is bring you to TRUTH.

John 16:8 And when he IS COME, (he has already come to you, because he abides in you, CHRIST IN YOU) he will reprove the world of sin, and or righteousness, and of JUDGEMENT:

John 16:9 OF SIN, because they believe not on me. (sin is singular and it's UNBELIEF)

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you see me no more,

You can't see him because he is IN YOU and his RIGHTEOUSNESS becomes your righteousness)

John 16:11 Of JUDGEMENT, because the prince of this world is JUDGED.

WE are the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, and the truth of THE WORD has DESTROYED US and REPLACE US with THE PRINCE OF LIFE.

Matthew 12:28 But if I (prince of life) by the spirit of God cast out devils (princes of this world) then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) has come unto you.

God grace us with eyes to see and ears to hear.

God Bless You.

Sister GiGI: SECOND COMING

Colossians 1:27 You whom God would make made known which is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world CANNOT receive because he seeth him not, neither knoweth him, but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall BE IN YOU.

These are God's words, if this is a reality to you then Christ has COME THE SECOND TIME; TO YOU.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many (first coming), and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time (as CHRIST IN YOU) (second coming) without sin (Christ's sacrifice covered our sin in his first coming) unto SALVATION.

Isaiah 27:12 It shall come to pass in that day (we are in that day), that the Lord shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall BE GATHERED ONE by ONE, O ye children if Israel (the elect are the TRUE children of Israel).

Matthew 24:40 One shall be taken, to be a Son of God, and never see death, and one shall be left, to die in their sins, lay in the grave, resurrected to flesh and judged in the fire of the Lord, not TORTURED IN PHYSICAL FIRE.

Hi Jennifer Gods knows your need better than anyone else, also he knows your heart, these are for the mind to heal, He sent His Word and healed them. Romans 5:1+2 Peace with God, greatest cargoes of life come in over quiet seas.

Romans 8:28-39 more than a conqueror and nothing [think about that] can separate us from the Love of God which was in Christ Jesus our lord. You and God are not at odds anymore he is your Father and fathers meet the need of all His Children.

1 John 3:1+2 Beloved now are we the Sons of God, also 3:20-22 he's there to answer prayer and needs during confusion quilt, condemnation, because he knows we will deal with this stuff.

2 Timothy 1:7 Anything opposite of these three is not of God.



Change your mind change your heart

Put on in the mind Colossians 3:15-17 also Colossians 1:11-14 and Ephesians 3:14-20 notice how many times Christ is mentioned. We were saved by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and at that time we received the spiritual power that raised Him from the dead that why Paul wrote Christ in us the hope of Glory

Ephesians 4:23-32 Putting on the new man in the mind that's why I said change your mind change your heart. Proverbs as a man thinketh in His heart so is he.

Philippians 4:6-9 Be careful for nothing means anxious in verse 6, now verse 13 notice through Christ again that's the power that works in us.

Colossians 1:11-13 we are strengthen with might and we have been made partakers of the saints in light its incredible.

We have been made more that conquerors through Him that loved and loves us and those scripture are part of that. There are over 400 promises in Gods word to us who believe we can only do whar we know and act on.

Prayerfully this helps.

Brother David, in the fullness of times, GOD will be ALL IN ALL ( 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Jesus came to visibly show what it means for God to be ALL in ALL, Christ was the first.

Christ is the body ( Ephesians 4:4)(a vessel) that holds ALL GOD IS; therefore Christ did nothing of himself, because a BODY can DO NOTHING of itself, It's the LIFE in the BODY that does the work. ( John 5:19)( John 5:30)( John 8:28).

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the LIFE) which worketh in you (in the body, the vessel, even in Christ) TO WILL and TO DO his (the Father's) good pleasure.

We are going to be CONFORMED to the likeness of Christ. We are the pot (the body, the vessel) he is the potter.

He is bring his BODY (you and I) to TRUTH. WE do NOTHING OURSELVES ( John 15:5).

When you are BORN of TRUTH, ALL that you are doing is not you THE BODY doing it, but God THE LIFE in you doing the work.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (TRUTH) doth not COMMIT SIN: for his SEED (CHRIST IN YOU)( Colossians 1:27) remaineth in him (you ARE DEAD (in trespasses) he GAVE you HIS LIFE, you are now the body that HOLDS ALL GOD IS): and he (the one who died to TRUTH), cannot sin, because he is born of TRUTH.

And the TRUTH is:

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (THE LIFE) which worketh in you (HIS BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God grace us with eyes to see, God bless you.

Brother Kevin, may CHRIST IN US grave us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

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When you are studying, it is of necessity to make sure you are assigning the pronouns their correct personage.

Often it helps to write the verse or verses and replace the pronoun with the noun they represent. I have taken chapters and done this, often getting half way through the chapter and find the noun I was using does't fit, having to go back (repent) and correct my understanding of that pronoun. The scriptures CANNOT disagree with themselves. Much of the WORD is hidden in parables and metaphors, often the word being used has different meaning (signifies something else) than what one would defined in a dictionary. The physical mind pictures things that are physical, the Spirit guiding you causes your mind to see the hidden meaning. In the Old Testament God lived in THE CLOUD that covered the tabernacle; was inside the Holy of Hollies. If that being the shadow then the TRUE (that casting the shadow) would now be MAN (the true TEMPLE OF GOD), being COVERED by God; and MAN now being the Holy Of Hollies, were God dwells. Our physical mind pictures heaven as a physical place with huge mansions and gates of pearls and streets of gold, but the hidden meaning cannot be physically seen so the Spirit has to cause you to see. A GLORIFIED BODY does't need a physical house, or streets or gates. Heaven then becomes SIGNIFIED

Acts 1:9 And when HE (CHRIST) had spoken these things, while they (the disciples with him) beheld, he (Christ) was taken up; and a cloud (the new TEMPLE, MAN Colossians 1:27) received him (Christ now in the glorified body as the Holy Spirit) out of their (disciples) sight.

Acts 1:10 And while they (disciples with him) looked steadfastly into (physical) heaven (the disciple had not yet been given the Holy Spirit to understand Christ ascended INTO MAN) as he went up, behold two men (messengers of God in glorified bodies Hebrews 13:2) stood by them in white apparel;

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I would like to expand the truths of your comments a little farther.

Revelation is two judgements, the first being the saints of God, as you said ( 1 Peter 4:17).

The gospel of Christ hasn't YET been preached to the WHOLE WORLD (from ADAM to CHRIST they had already died). This will happen after the first judgement of the saints, which is happening in the TIME of their suffering in the FLESH. When all the saints have been gathered, THEN, the second resurrection, at which time the saints with Christ, will declare (judge) the gospel to the WHOLE WORLD ( Revelation 10:11).

Judgement is not PUNISHMENT, as most believe, but is coming to TRUTH, by the words and works of God. In this AGE, ONLY, to those CHOSEN (to be saints and judges, GIVEN eyes to see and ears to hear. Everyone in God's APPOINTED TIME.

The whole world has been RECONCILED to God, through JESUS CHRIST; they just don't KNOW YET ( Colossians 1:20).

Matthew 13:11 He answer and said unto them, Because it is GIVEN unto you (the saints) TO KNOW, but unto them (those not called to the first resurrection) it is NOT GIVEN.

Christ creating HIMSELF in HIS SAINTS, how else can you JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, unless you have HIS MIND.

God always CHOOSES MEN, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Samson, Gideon, Joshua, the twelve, Paul, etc., etc. In THIS AGE, first death (to Christ, to his Word), first resurrection (his and the saints resurrection), first judgement (into TRUTH, THE LIFE, THE WAY) he is choosing ONLY THE SAINTS.

All others will be resurrected back in their FLESH and be JUDGED in CHRIST (HIS WORDS) by THE SAINTS and CHRIST and brought to the TRUTH that God HAS RECONCILED the world to himself through his Son Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL IN ALL.

You don't CHOSE me, I CHOSE YOU.

Part II God's ETERNAL Assurance

ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts 15:8 Romans 8:27

"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST! In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!" Ephesians 1:12-14

"Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!" 2 Corinthians 1:22

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" Ephesians 4:30

"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!" 1 Corinthians 6:11

"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!" 2 Thessalonians 2:13

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" Titus 3:5

God's OPERATION?:

God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians 1:12

God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians 1:13

God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians 1:14

God Justified us "...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" Romans 3:24

God "Reckons Debt To those proud who work" For Salvation! Romans 4:4

In GRACE, To him/her "that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!" Romans 4:5

God, Through Paul, States: "...David also describeth the blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth righteousness Without works!" Romans 4:6

to be continued in Part III

Sister GiGi, isn't it interesting the three that met Abraham were all angels and yet were also men. Christ being the angel of the Lord. ( 1 Corinthians 15:49)

Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord ye his angels ....

Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels SPIRITS; his ministers a FLAME of fire.

Luke 16:24 .....for I am in torment in this FLAME

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH, that the SPIRIT may BE SAVED....

Hebrews 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire (a single flame).

Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU....