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Hi Dawn. No, you won't find any evidence of such advanced medical procedures in the Bible. People in those days who suffered organ failure would have just grown increasingly weak in body until death overtook them. They probably didn't even know what was causing their sickness & prolonged suffering. However, there were very elementary practises of alleviating medical problems, by using natural methods or whatever special foods or plants that were proven useful. We understand that Luke, a doctor ( Colossians 4:14) tended to give a little more emphasis on the medical side of situations, in his Gospel & Acts. But if one asked whether it was morally or biblically correct for a Christian to have an organ transplant, then one would have to be convinced in his/her own heart about the matter. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with it, understanding that God has given man that ability to progress in the medical field for the general health & enjoyment of life of so many. How far man goes on with that knowledge (i.e. intruding into or altering God's Design), would be very wrong & he will have to give account of his actions one day.

Hi Jon,

In addition to prayer, God also wants us to help ourselves. Here's some scripture for you.

Colossians 4:14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

Luke 4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

Jeremiah 8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?

Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Matthew 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repent

God provides mankind with gifted minds in a multitude of various fields, including Medicine, Pharmacy, and other varied fields including psychology: the science or study of the mind and behavior. God provides us with these people that can help and cure, or at least help us to manage our health, both physically and mentally.

A wise person will not rule out a service provider based on their religious belief or lack of. That's like turning down emergency bypass heart surgery because the doctor might be an unbeliever. Could be the greatest heart surgeon of all time, but not doing it. Can't let you fix the hole in my roof because you're not a christian.

Be wise, and humble and look at all your options, including prayer.

God Bless.

RLW: "we will be here and we must be prepared":

Now, this is quite interesting, what is your take, RLW, on three of your so-called "prophecy Experts," who Will Be Here, and the "way THEY teach to be prepared"?:

(1) says to {SELFishly?} "hoard UP SEVEN years worth of food for the coming famine"

(2) says to "FLEE from the cities to the protection of the RURAL areas"

(3) says to "FLEE from the U.S. To the safety of Ethiopia"???

(4) maybe you have "another idea" for preparedness?

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Now, those of us, In The Body Of CHRIST:

(A) who are looking, watching, and waiting patiently For The LORD JESUS CHRIST ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) ( Romans 8:18-19) ( Romans 8:23) ( Romans 8:25) ( 1 Corinthians 1:7) ( Ephesians 6:12-18) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 4:1-3) ( 1 Thessalonians 1:10) ( 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11) ( Titus 2:13)

(B) To Take us home to Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:1) ( 2 Corinthians 5:2) ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20) ( Ephesians 2:6) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 1:5) ( 2 Timothy 4:18)

Believe OUR "preparation" should be to:

(1) Stay where God Has Called us, preaching The Gospel Of GRACE ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9), to the lost,

(2) "studying" God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15), avoiding ALL of the above Confusion, And:

(3) Using our {God-Given} resources to, In "ONE WORD - LOVE our neighbor" ( Galatians 5:14) ( Romans 13:8-10), and {UNselfishly!} teaching/helping those in need!! ALL in "preparation" for:

(C) Judgment ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15) for "rewards" for these! Amen?

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified!

who was Tychicus and what was his purpose?

Let us stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. Time is winding up and the Lord's coming is nigh. Walk in wisdom, praying and giving thanks to the Lord. Always give thanks to Jesus for his love, grace, mercy and truth. Comfort one another with the Word. Let God's Word dwell in you richly in all things.

Justus was one of the three fellow labourers with Paul. The other two were Aristarchus & Marcus. And these, said Paul, were a real comfort to him, probably during some difficult period in his life. So Justus' name was actually Jesus (Yeshua/Yehoshua in Hebrew or Joshua), but he was also referred to as Justus.

My question is, in cop chap. 4 11

I don't understand Justus is Jesus speaking of his three followers or just himself , and where did he get the name justus

Tertius, as mentioned in Romans 16:22, we understand to have been the Apostle Paul's stenographer. We're unsure why Paul often didn't write his letters by his own hand; some think that it may have been his weak eyes ("his thorn in the flesh"). But he sometimes did write a salutation (appending some special greeting by his own hand) to his letters ( 1 Corinthians 16:21, Colossians 4:18, 2 Thessalonians 3:17).

Joe, we don't get the full picture of people or events in Scripture, so one can only try & put the pieces together to gain some understanding. Paul had never been to Rome - actually he was anxious to visit them & so wrote this letter, Romans, (his steno being Tertius, as we understand that Paul had some vision problem: Gal 6:11), to prepare for that visit. So, he wrote this letter from Corinth & from there went to Jerusalem to deliver the money he was collecting from Corinth for the poor in Jerusalem. Then after doing that, his intention was to visit Rome & go onto Spain (15:24). All these plans fell apart as he was arrested in Jerusalem & eventually taken to Rome as a prisoner.

So all these people that he mentions in Romans chap 16 who belonged or associated to a Church he never visited has perplexed us. Paul also gives similar greetings to the Church at Colosse ( Colossians 4:7 ff), a Church he also never visited. But we think that those people that he mentioned in Romans were those he had met & acquainted with in his travels or at least heard specifically of them through others & remembered them in his prayers: hence naming them specifically.

Priscilla & Aquila were known to Paul ( Acts 18:1-3 & 18-21) when he left them at Ephesus while he went on to Caesarea. So in their travels, they must have been in Rome ministering there at this time of the epistle.

With Phebe, I don't think she travelled with Paul as all his travel plans were changed after his arrest, but was probably charged to carry this epistle to the Roman Church. I see Paul truly commending her to them as his representative, envoy & forward party preparing for his planned visit. I hope this quick account helps you.

Betty, there are a couple of Scriptures that I know of, that direct a Christian's manner of speaking:

Ephesians 4:29, "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Even though 'corrupt communication' could be perceived to be too general, in Greek it actually refers to 'rotten, worthless, useless, depraved'. I would think that using swear/bad words would fall under this meaning as speech that has no value in it that rather places the person in a baser standing. You could look at Ephesians 5:4 as well, for a similar warning which includes foolish talking & jesting. I would think 'jesting' here is not just humour but with lewdness sprinkled within.

But to answer your question: "who decides which words are bad words and how do they decide, is it just somebody's opinion or is it scripture?" I think the criteria for that would be the source or history of the word used, its meaning & its manner of presentation, both in verbal expression & context. I certainly don't know the history of those words, nor do I wish to, but every now & then something comes up. For example, what some consider a 'mild bad word' such as the extended use of the word 'blood', has its origins in either the Cross or a woman's monthly cycle. But there are other words, such as used in the Bible for 'an illegitimate person' ( Hebrews 12:8), which in itself is an appropriate English word, but when used today and against a person in an angry tone, amounts to swearing. I think you get what I'm saying without the need for further examples!

But Colossians 4:6 says it well: "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." I feel that this is the criterion we need to abide by: how do our words or manner of speaking affect the one hearing us - is it gentle, encouraging, uplifting, informative or 'spiced' up & devaluing us & our message?

In 2 Corinthians 12:7 Paul speaks of a "thorn in the flesh". In Galatians 4:13-15 Paul speaks of infirmity and mentions eyes. Some have inferred that he had an eye condition that would make it difficult to see. Also in Galatians 6:11 he says, "Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand." Whatever the reason, he seems to have had assistance in writing the epistles. Romans 16:22 says, "I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord."

The footnotes in question are not scripture but added by translators.

Mentioned as scribes are Tychicus, Epaphroditus, Titus, Luke, Stephanas, Fortunatus, Achaicus and Onesimus.

Some of the letters are collaborations of Paul and Timotheus as evidenced in the greeting. Also Sosthenes and Silvanus are included in other introductions. In Colossians 4:18 Paul inserts into the text, "The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds."

We are certainly blessed by all their faithful endeavors.

Why this statement (Written from Rome to Colossians by Tychicus and Onesimus.)" all of these letters were written by Paul.

thank you Brothers we are truly blessed

The name of the Savior was never mentioned in the Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. His Name is Jesus nothing else. Jewish roots folks always trying to make a play on words to corrupt the Gospel into a works-based system that saves no one. The new testament was written in Greek because the Jewish nation rejected Jesus.

Some people in the past, same as today has two names. Simon who Jesus called Peter for one. Sometimes he's called Simon Peter.

This applies to anyone with a position of power over another. This could be a supervisor, policemen, governments. They often think they are the law of the land. That they don't answer to anyone. However, if someone in power is unjust, then their Master God will hold them accountable. They will be held accountable for how they treat those beneath them.

Here is another one : 1 Cor 3:9 we are co-laborers with Christ!

Verse 11 if the only verse in the WHOLE Bible that has the word "Fellowworkers"

I am very grateful for this work of yours, for my eyesight is now so bad that even the large print KJV causes eyestrain. Thank you and bless you. This is as important a work for Jesus as any other.

Travis: Alfred, With out The Shedding of Blood there is no Forgiveness: Hebrews9:22

may i respectfully ask travis, you were baptized in the name of jesus christ for the forgiveness of your sins according to acts 2;38?because if you were just want to encourage you; dnt let the enemy ever bring up ur past. its under the blood ha ha!GOD BLESS YOU TRAVIS IM ALFRED

Travis: Justus is a Believer named Jesus. They call him Justus to distinguish who they're talking to.

Travis; First of all, HOW WONDERFUL, I'm so glad for you! Mine is a similar story as yours! Get yourself a notebook and some pens; the Lord has much to show you! Jesus is the Anglicized rendering of the Greek Iesu for the Hebrew Yeshua. Just as Jude or Judas was the English for Yehudah, or John from Yochanan, or James from Jacob or Yaacov; these were popular names that parents gave their children.

Hello my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ could someone help me here4;11And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision,the part at the start Jesus which is called Justus I have never heard this terminology before if someone could explain it to me period and also in context it would be appreciated,i was saved and baptized at 11,but lived nearly 30 years of sin,now i back w God

"Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." The times past of our life was time wasted living in ignorance and lusts as if there is no day of reckoning. We owe it to the Lord and to all to give back for the time lost with knowledge and meaningful speech and behavior.

Eutychus; I really enjoy your thought provoking posts. I hope you can benefit as well from my input. The Commandment for us as Christians is not to care about whether we slaves or free, because we are Christ's and our time is yet to come; but if we may be made free, to use it more for the kingdom of God. There is no commandment against helping others! Read Matt. 25 We will be judged by our mercy!

Archippus is admonished to fulfil the ministry he has been given by the Lord.vs17. Jesus says to us, "For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, AND TO EVERY MAN HIS WORK." Mark 13:34. To every man his work. Are we fulfilling the 'work' we've been given by the Lord? To every one, his work...And ladies, I believe you are included too.

Verse 1...it has been said, that in Jesus' time, Rome's population was 50% slaves. Paul admonishes both master and slave several times in his letters. But nowhere does Paul advocate creating a political party, or charitable organization, to help free the slaves. Could it be, there is that on earth, more important than slavery or its abolition? Could it be that Jesus is Master of both?

Amen.

colossian 3/23 And whatsoever you do do it heartly as to the Lord,and not unto man. Its amazing how Our Lord can change the heart of man who has no faith to be the servent of Christ because of his divine Grace Learning to forgive and forget Great is the compassion of God Almighty