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Fasting has to be a personal decision. Isaiah 58, Matthew 6:16-23, some fast from television, social media, movies

Some would recommend only a Daniel type fast where he refrained from sweet breads, like cakes, pies, cookies, meats but had rich protiens, Pulse like black eyed peas, lintils, humus, vegetables. Daniel 1:12, Daniel 10:2-3,

2 Chronicles 20:5-30, 2 Chronicles 20:13, Jonah 3:5, Joel 2:15-18,

Hopefully these are helpful

Daniel 10:3,

2 Chronicles 20:1-4, Ezra 8:21-22, Esther 3: , Esther 4:1,3,7,8,11,14,16, Isaiah 58:6-14, Jeremiah 36:7-10, Joel 1:12-15, Joel 2:15,

Jonah 3:3-6,

Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35,

Dgjot, to add, somethings mentioned : in Daniel 10:7-13,21, -continues - Daniel 11:1 , Daniel 12:1, Zechariah 3:1-3, speaks also about rebuke, more on Michael- Revelations 12:7,

Hello Gaylin. In Daniel chapter 11, we read that the angel (of Daniel 10:5,6) had come to give Daniel words about the future kingdoms: of Persia, verse 2 (3 + 1 kings: Cambyses, Pseudo-Smerdis, Darius the Great plus the fourth, Xerxes (same as the one in the Book of Esther).

Then of the Grecian Kingdom (verses 3,4): Alexander the Great.

The Kings of the South & North (verses 5-20): the Ptolemies (of Egypt) & the Seleucids (of Syria).

So without giving you anymore detail which you may not have interest in, the King of the North doesn't refer to Satan but to actual kings of Syria, which included Antiochus I (v 6), Antiochus III (vv 15-19), his son, Seleucus IV (v 20), & Antiochus IV (vv 21-35).

But you're correct about the King of the South referring to the Ptolemies of Egypt. However, your last statement about "all unbelievers converting to Christianity by the miracles of Satan" is incorrect & doesn't have any connection to this passage in Daniel, nor anywhere in God's Word.

To add to discussion I just recently replied but felt led to add to my post. Just recently in Daniel I believe GOD revealed to me Daniel & his friends may have been, as captives of war made Eunuchs by Nebuchadnezzar- Daniel 1:1-3, Daniel 1:7-9, Daniel 1:10-11, each time it states those who were put over Daniel & his companions that title was given them 'over the Eunuchs' . There is no account of them having children that I've found. Futhermore when Nebuchadnezzar threatened people in his brutal way= Daniel 2:5, Daniel 2:12-13, Daniel 3:28-29, it was probably a very viable threat & intensely reality. Which now not only puts new light on Nebuchadnezzar's threats but his way of thinking.

Recently GOD's been showing me more in these scriptures. Daniel also is the only one that I've found where an angel says was greatly beloved, Daniel 10:11, Daniel 10:19, there seems to be a distinction in this address. GOD knows us & everything thing we have suffered, everything taken from us, even wrongful sterilization. He loves us! Hopefully this is also encouraging in a deep way as it has been to me. Yes I believe GOD addresses people personally & callings differ. Moses, Hosea, Ezekiel are few examples Daniel another. Sometimes HE calls us to do things others have not been called to nor had precedence for. Like Noah. In my life I've been reminded of this scripture more than once [1 Kigs 13:8-10,15,16,17,18,21,22,*24,] 1 Kings 13:1-32, we must obey GOD ALMIGHTY in what HE calls us to do personally.

When I say a distinction the wording is a little Different than Isaiah 48:14, 2 Samuel 2:24, 1 Kings 10:9, Revelations 1:5, Revelations 3:9, John 14:20, Mark 10:21, & even Matthew 3:17 because CHRIST is the SON, THE WAY TRUTH & LIGHT, LIFE. If I had my Exhaustive Concordance at hand, I would study it more fully.

Chris as I've been studying prophecy I've realized it was given in times when it was needed, either for correction or for hope, direction, protection. If things were obvious it wouldn't be needed. I am referring to all prophetic here. Matthew 2:12,13, Matthew 16:22-27, Luke 13:33,34, Luke 2:26, Daniel 10:1-3, 1 Samuel 3-1,9,10,11,12,13,14, it's also for revelation, exposure: when a person thinks they've hidden something from others or GOD= 1 Samuel 15:10-29, 2 Samuel 11 & 12, 2 Chronicles 20:20, There are many examples in scripture.

Those two examples you've given wouldn't seem to me prophetic but foresight if it didn't edify the Church, encouraged, give direction, revelation etc., In line with GOD & HIS Words we could reflect on. Ezekiel is an example of very strange exhibited behavior probably to get the attention of "a stubborn people" so even if someone seems weird that might not be a reason not to listen. So, in the examples you gave on the surface it seems irrelevant to us.

Let me give an example. Yesterday we were discussing Australia. Amanda Grace has given prophetic 'Words' regarding Australia saying things like "GOD hasn't forgotten you Australia" she said several things about leadership & GOD knowing the wrong that some leadership were doing. I think she said an earthquake would be a sign, there was a large earthquake very soon after then a few political things happened with people stepping down. Then just recently a Pro.Life Premier was elected. Looks to reflect in line with GOD's will. Her blog has her written prophectic Words Amanda Grace Ark of Grace.

Even with accurate 'Words' 1 Kings 13:11-34, Deuteronomy 13:1-5, serve GOD only. Hopefully this helps

Isaiah 58:1-14, Daniel 1:5-20, Daniel 10:2-4, Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 4:1-2, Exodus 34:28, Judges 13:1-5,7,14,

I hope these scriptures give you some insight on a few perspectives, examples related.

I have heard many fast by not eating meat or sweets, mostly vegetables. Some turn off T.V., radio or other habits. Some have done all liquid only, such as broths, juices etc. Most people won't recommend a total fast, but some will do a 3 day no food or liquid fast.

I personally recommend you seek GOD fully before you do any fast. If you feel led by the HOLY SPIRIT to fast HE will help you. It is a very personal thing & if you don't feel personally led, I recommend you wait. Matthew 23:1-4,

There are moments to humble yourself, seek GOD's face in a powerful way, to teach yourself submission, break stronghold habits, difficult choices, impossible situations, etc. Trust the LORD to lead you, sustain you & keep you.

More scriptures to consider. Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:16-29,

Yes he does, always. David was upset, maybe angry at circumstances he felt was out of his control.

God waits until we settle ourselves. Like in Psalm 23. We rest, get ourselves quieted. Wait upon the Lord. Then he responds to us by the person of the Holy Spirit, now.

As an example, in Daniel chapters 9-10: Daniel prayed to the Lord; expecting a speedy answer, but it was delayed. Finally Gabriel the Archangel appears with a message. Daniel 9:21

Daniel had been fasting; he was visited by an Archangel again. Daniel 10: 5-21

Michael the Archangel had to fight off principalities and powers, so Gabriel could get the message to Daniel.

See, sometimes it takes fasting and prayer and waiting on the answer, but it will come. If there is a delay of the answer, we are to stand fast with our faith. Jesus doesn't have to send Archangels to give us answers now. We have The Holy Spirit within us. He speaks to our born again spirit. We just have to listen, until He does. He may give you a scripture or passage to read.

My best advice: turn off the media and sit before the Lord and listen. Calm yourself. Write down anything that comes into your spirit.

Mishael

I think your question is asking what is a Fast? Because the next lines in the scripture explains Jesus answering why they couldn't fast while they were with him. Mark 2:18 Mark 2:19-20

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful

Daniel 1:8

Daniel 10:3

Ester 4:16

Isaiah 58

Yes, Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) prophesied or was revealing to Isaiah about Cyrus ( Isaiah 44:28)

he (King of Persia) helped rebuild Jerusalem ( Daniel 10:1). yes, if a prophecy hasn't yet happened... it will happen; and it will be fulfilled and accomplished. ( Isaiah 46:10,11)

Fulfilled Prophecy:

Destruction of Jerusalem 70 c.e ( Luke 21:5,6; John 4:21)

Unfulfilled Prophecy:

Revelation 18&20 ( 1John 5:19; Revelation 12:7-12)

Revelation 21:3-4

Revelation 22 ( Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44)

Hope this helps

Hi Karen First there is no comparison of God Almighties power in relationship to satans. In Gospel of Luke 11:20 Jesus Christ uses a figure of speech saying if I with the finger of God sort of like flicking an ant off your body no effort, cast out devils. Biblically Gabriel is a messenger for God Daniel 8:16 + 9:21 also Luke 1:19 + 1:26. Michael is for the most part a warrior Daniel 10:13+21 + 12:1 also Jude 9 and Rev.12:7.

Now karen that being said here's a few other references to other angels and what they were sent to do Mathew 4:11 angels were sent to minister to Jesus Christ after being tempted, angels were sent to sodom and gomorrah to get lot and His wife and daughters out of town with specific instructions to obey. so angels are messengers or agents sent by God to do His Work for man .

My favorite example is Hebrews 1:11 ministering spirits sent forth to minster for them who shall be heirs of salvation. So the battle is between the true God and His messengers and satan and His messengers, both sides have them. In His Service

Brother Earl.

I believe prince of Tyrus, used in Ezekiel 28:2. he's talking to the king of Tyrus. "The ruler of Tyrus"

But in Ezekiel 28:12-19. He addresses him King of Tyrus and broadens his indictment and put him in places he has never been. I believe he's talking to the source behind the king of Tyrus. Carefully go through the verses.

Examples:

Here you see the Lord talking to the unclean spirits in a man.

Mark 5:7-9. And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Here's a link to scripture where Gabriel is fighting with Demonic forces of Persia. and next Grecia.

Daniel 10:13-21.

NORMAN

Your interpretation of Scriptures is wrong completely, Malachi DID NOT claim Elijah's spirit returns prior to the 6th TRUMPET (Babylon's fall) to preach the word before kings and tongues, this fake message is YOU who is claiming,

and Daniel 10:v.11 has nothing to do with your false interpretations of the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?.

You do not know who is the MAN who spoke with DANIEL, whose MAN was clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz, whose eyes are as lamps of FIRE, revealing to Daniel the coming of MICHAEL, an archangel and a warrior of the Lord (Dan.10:v.13 and 21), not Elyjah as you say, what is a lie, it is fake. What prevails is the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - so see what is revealed by Him in Daniel 12:v.12:

12 - And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. BY THE WAY, the TIME of this terrible TROUBLE SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION, yeah, see, it is ALREADY starting and it will be UNTIL THE CONSUMATION.

Daniel 12:v.5 to 13

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold,there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I,O my Lord,what shall be th

OSEAS

The manner in which you twist scripture is astounding. Complicating the simple. I can follow what you are saying because it is not written that way.

Therefore, using the Bible to define itself is the best approach to purity.

Elijah's coming, in His day Jesus saw John was Elijah in spirit, and Malachi claims Elijah's spirit returns prior to the 6th trumpet (Babylon's fall) to preach the word before kings and tongues, ( Daniel 10:11). Both are correct.

( Malachi 4:5-6)

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse ( Revelation 18, day of the Lord).

the prince of the kingdom of Persia; v.13 = The use of the title "prince" in The Old Testament is synonymous with that in The New Testament. If this prince is indeed an angelic personality, very possibly he is one of the chief angels of whom Apostle Paul identified as a "principality".

In the New Testament, the Greek noun (pronounced "ar-KAY") occurs in English Biblical translations as "principality" or "- ies". Apostle Paul is the primary New Testament writer who used "arche" to refer to living entities.

The term "principalities" identify individuals occupying the highest, supreme rank, and possessing power and authority equal to that rank.

While Paul may have referred to the Roman emperor and other political rulers of his day in certain contexts (e.g. Rom. 8:38; Tit. 3:1), he most certainly included the spirits of the angelic realm as well (cp. Eph. 3:10; 6:12; Col. 2:15), even Satan whose titles include "the prince of the power of the air" ( Eph. 2:2), and "the god of this world" ( 2Cor. 4:4).

No doubt, Paul also considered the eschatological Antichrist of the Tribulation Period, of whom "the dragon (Satan) gave him (the Antichrist) his power, and his seat {throne}, and great authority" ( Rev. 13:2). Paul even wrote about this Satan possessed "man of sin" (2Thes. 2:3-4).

Depraved man desires to replace worshiping JEHOVAH GOD with worshiping angels (e.g. Deu. 32:17; 1Cor. 10:20; 1Tim. 4:1).

The New Testament often refers to the angelic realm as "principality(-ies)" linking them with:

+ angels ( Rom. 8:38);

+ "powers in heavenly places" ( Eph. 3:10);

+ "the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" ( Eph. 6:12);

+ "all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible (? angels?)" ( Col. 1:16).

All other New Testament usages of the noun "beginning" (arche) describe the first position in initiation, commencement, or sequence.

Daniel 10:13; Michael = The name "Michael" means, "Who is like GOD?" He is just "one of the chief princes", meaning he occupies the rank and status of an "archangel" (Jude v.9) as a chief or prince over a number of holy angels ( Rev. 12:7).

Some believe this Michael is the Old Testament identity of The SON OF GOD due to his description as "the great prince which stands for the children of thy (Daniel's) people (the Jews)" (12:1).

But this Michael surely is not The SON OF GOD, for he is described simply as "one of the chief princes" (v.13), implying there are many more angels that hold the position of archangel. LORD JESUS CHRIST, The KING of kings and LORD of lords, would not occupy a title designation of equality as simply one of the chief princes.

The reader may correctly assume that Michael champions GOD's Purposes for Israel and the Jewish nation as just one of his responsibilities. Compare the expression, "Michael your prince" (v.21).

Hermeneutics may interpret this expression to identify Michael as an archangel rather than GOD HIMSELF or HIS MESSIAH/CHRIST. The verb "help" certainly implies a rather benign insufficiency in comparison to GOD's Omnipotence.

I deal with a lot of people who try to push the black Israelite theory. I know that the Caucasian version of Jesus we see in most churches is the false AntiChrist version and actually Apolloyon, but at the same time I feel like certain passages are taken out of context when describing the appearance of the Son of Man, as well as the appearance of Noah who is said to be in God's image as well. In the book of Enoch(which is scripture in my eyes), Noah is described as:

And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. 3. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. 4. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. 5. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.

John of Revelation describes the Messiah as:

His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches,his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude*. Daniel 10:

"His head andHis hairwere whitelike white wool,like snow....His feet were likeburnished bronze..."

His skin is also said to have looked like Chrysolite;

My point is, this description of the Son of Man was of his HEAVENLY form and was very much otherworldly and not like any flesh and blood human. Lamech describes his son Noah as having this same otherworldly appearance. But said his skin was white. So I don't believe this shows us he was black. I think the earthly version of the Son of Man was middle eastern

Can you explain Daniel Chapter 10: 1-21, I understand it a little, I would like more understanding.

Thanks

Bev.

The reason for Daniel mourning in chapter 10 is not specified here, but if we look at chapter 9 we can see he had a great burden for his people and longed for the day when they could return to Jerusalem. He humbled himself and sought the LORD, confessing his and Israel's sin, and implored the LORD according his mercy to fulfill the number of days of their captivity.

why was daniel mourning in chpt. 10:2

i enjoyed chapter 10 i know the same God that strengthen Daniel will also strengthen us as we go through this pademic .

You'll do better to google The book with a verse. So you can see a sermon that was preached on that. Read the website names and pick one that is Christian, and not a false religion

Is this chapter about the endtimes or something that has already happened in history of the Israelites?

"Be strong and of a good courage"- If you look throughout the bible, it always comes up!

Like in Deuteronomy 31:6=Be strong and of good courage and in Daniel 10:19= And he said...be strong and of good courage." And you can find it in other places throughout the bible.

so if it isnt already obvious !BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE (especially with the corona virus going around) Who needs hand sanitizer when I have Christ?

1 cor. 15:18....... Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death. We muat come to repentance. We must keep the laws statutes and Commandments in ordinances of the most high. John 14:15 if you love me you will keep my Commandments. Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law. The word end in the the Strong's Concordance means purpose or aim. He is coming back for his ELECT, ROMANS 11:7.. come to repentance in accordance with the word John 14:6 and you will not die the second death , you will be changed to Spirit and put on immortality.All praises to the Yahawah bahasham Yahawahshi. . See 2 Esdras 6:54-56. The children of Israel are Hebrews the abrahamic Covenant of Genesis 17 and 7 says if you will keep my law statutes Commandments in ordinances I will be your God and you will be my people. The 12 tribes of Israel all people of color only. According to Revelation 21 + 12 the Kingdom of Heaven is only Built For The 12 Tribes of Israel only. The letter J does not exist in the Hebrew language I'll father's name yahawah means he is he exists in Hebrew. Yahawahshi in hebrew means he is our salvation and deliver.er. Deuteronomy 28 48 + 49 the children of Israel was sent into slavery was a yoke of iron upon their neck. Only slaves ever had a yoke of iron around their neck that's a people of color. Revelation 1:15 Daniel 10:6 the son of man has skin that is liking until bronze burned in a furnace which is a dark brown skin man. This is the truth John 14:6 of these scriptures. Revelation 5:5 the son of man is no doubt the root of David tribe of Judah. Revelation 2:9 I know thy works thy tribulation and thy poverty but Thou Art rich and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not for they are synagogue of Satan see also Revelation 3:9.

In Daniel 10:21, Gabriel makes reference to the Book of Truth and what is written in it. Is what is written in the Book of Truth or Book of Life, as it is called in the NT, what God knew would happen or what God wrote He would do? Are the names written in the Book of Life those God knew would believe, or those God decided to save? Are the vessels of Rom 9 what God knew He was going to do, or what God determined to do? Are God's Plans, plans or things He knew would take place?

God created with a Purpose. He created with a Plan. Can an architect design a house without a Purpose? Can he build it without a Plan? To say that God only knew what was going to happen, make His statements about what He is going to do, meaningless. Did God just simply know the earth was going to be flooded and warned Noah? Or did God do it on Purpose? Did God promise not to destroy the earth again with a flood, because He knew that was what He was going to do? Is God a seer that merely reveals what He sees in the future?

There is a misconception that because God is eternal and not subject to time and space, He can observe past, present and future. And that therefore, He knows everything. Is He like the train hobbyist that builds a train set with hills and roads and stands over it observing everything that takes place. So, did God create the universe and mankind, or was it something He just happened to know would happen on its own?

If the Future has control, does God? I can be omniscient and know how everything functions, yet not know what I am going to do tomorrow. God is neither limited by His omniscience, nor by the Future. Have a look at Isa 23:8, "Who planned this against Tyre...? The LORD of Hosts planned it, to defile all its glorious beauty, to disgrace all the renowned of the earth." Not only is God telling us that He Planned it, He is telling us He Planned it with a Purpose.

Your thinking is that God created, then stepped back and let things happen. But is that the case?

Chris, on to Page 3. The future does not exist. There can be no such thing as a future we can look into and determine what is going to happen. Isaiah 48 is clear on that. However, there appear to be certain things written in what Daniel 10:21 refers to as the Book of Truth, that give us a glimpse of things that God has determined will take place.

The Future as an observable entity one can observe or even travel into is a logical contradiction and practical impossibility. If there were such a thing as a Future God could be aware of, outside of Himself, then God would be subject to whatever is set in that Future. That is, if God is aware of events outside of Himself, that will take place, then He is bound by that knowledge and can't act to change what He knows to be true. God would therefore, not be free. The Future would determine what He does, given that what He knows about what will happen as fact, must happen. Let me explain. If God knows, through intuition, knowledge, vision, prescience or because He is all-knowing, then what He knows to be the fact, must in fact happen. Otherwise, He would be wrong about what He understood or the Future would not be certain.

If the Future God knows is not certain, then what God knows, is questionable. But if what He knows about the Future is in fact true, then God is locked into behaving as the Future reveals and incapable of changing it. Example: Jesus knows the Temple will be torn down at a specific time in the future. If the Temple is not torn down at that time, then Jesus was wrong about what He knew about future events. In other words, what Jesus knows about the future, has to take place. Otherwise, He doesn't know the future.

Therefore, we have to conclude that if God tells us something that will happen, it is not because He has some insight into the future. It has to be because He specifically planned and set it up that way. God cannot be a prisoner of the future. He has to be logically able to act freely.

A question I always ask with respect to Genesis 10 is, "Why did God spare Noah and his family, knowing they were also the product of Adam's sin and would eventually disobey God?"

The response is very simple. God could not destroy or take Noah up to heaven with Him and start over again. Why? Had God rid the earth of sinful humanity, He would not have been able to carry out His Plan. But what was God's Plan? His Plan, from before time or creation, was Christ ( Col 1:16). Everything was created FOR the purpose of Christ to enter creation to eradicate corruption in all of creation ( Heb 10:5).

It was necessary for God to continue with Noah, because Noah was part of the Plan drawn before creation, to continue the human race, so Christ could enter the world. God was not reacting to a situation gone bad, when He told Noah to build the Arc. He was implementing His Plan in keeping with what He had already outlined in the Book of Life. See Daniel 10:21, 12:1, Rev 13:8 and Ps 139:16, among others.

To have a better understanding of these things and why God allows evil, it is essential to know that God created with a specific Plan. He created to rid creation of evil. But to do that, He had to initiate a process that takes time. And that process involved a fallen humanity. Not that God caused men to sin, but He subjected men to sin, so He could, through Christ, squash it. The unfortunate fact is that creation is susceptible to corruption and the only way to fix it is Christ.

The Holy Spirit is our Teacher. He's the revealer of scripture to our hearts and minds. He will not give 'meat' to a lambs (baby Christians.)

Have you heard the words of the sword and the spirit? The Holy Spirit teaches us how to defeat Satan & his demons, in the spirit realm. Must have the armor of God on, to do spiritual warfare. Also, prayer and fasting: Daniel 10:2-3

How many of you know well that it is harder to fight an invisible enemy? That's why we build ourselves up on the Word of God.

In my Bible, at the top of the page, it lists the chapter speaking on: The Messiah Fortold.

The portion you question goes from Daniel ch 9 verses 16-37 are talking about the destruction of the temple and the end of sacrifices. Jesus is our sacrifice.

Chapters 10-12 begins the prophesies concerning latter days, the Antichrist 11:37