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Daniel 9:25-27 Can you help me to understand Who are they speaking of?

Thank you.

Paul, I'm unsure where you want to take this line of enquiry, but to attempt an answer: as mentioned, God is Spirit, but He is also the Creator of all things, including natural & physical laws. Re: is God Energy? If by this you mean that He expends energy in His Being or in His Activity, then as a mere human with limitations in understanding & revelation, I would say, No.

In man's understanding, Energy can be divided into fourteen types, or more, which includes mechanical, electrical, magnetic, gravitational, nuclear, thermal, sound wave to name a few. If we try to fit God's Being into any of these types, we will always fail, as God is God & is not subject to any limitations or production of energy. One could argue that since He is Light or that when He speaks or moves, then surely energy must be evident & expended. The error here is that all energy that is produced, is dependent on either mass or existence of matter/particles that lead to energy's production. And God does not fulfil any of these requirements, simply because He is Spirit, the Invisible God (to our eyes), & not subject to the laws that are a part of His Creation & to which we mere earthlings are subject to.

Thank you, Chris. You claim that God is not matter. Is God energy?

I believe time is relevant to matter. God created on a time table. He calls humans very good. Probably before we start our sinning. Jesus is like the Great sin eraser. I think repentance is the motion to erase sin. This is not written in the Bible...I didn't get to put my book in there.

Paul, time & matter are connected, but only if you bring in space & energy into the equation also. Through a series of hypotheses, one can prove this relationship where motion in space must also be a factor. But if you're not interested in the physical laws or hypotheses in your question, but more concerned with the aspect of time in God's eternal framework, then matter only exists in His Creation, & time as a result of His Creation. Without His Creative Work, neither matter nor time can exist: just emptiness. God is not matter, but is Spirit. As such, He is not subject to nor constrained by physical laws. All our demonstrable physical laws are a part of & result of God's Great Design, so physics is simply an examination of those laws, but faith gives understanding & acceptance of God's Wisdom in the design of His creation & the laws which prove it.

To PAUL: Yes. Genesis 1:1 explains what all scientists are trying to explain or discover:

Time. Force. Action. Matter.

It's already discovered that the universe is moving away from earth.

I believe as described in Ezekiel 28 and Genesis, that something huge hit the earth. The earth was void; dark. Lucifer (before he was named satan) was the Big Bang (my guess). No one has been able to determine how long Lucifer and the 1/3 of the evil angels who were thrown to earth were in the void; creating pre-adamic people's, dinosaurs; all we have about it, is bones, How long? Time had not been set in motion YET.

Time was created for man, otherwise we'd live forever. Next God created Light. Jesus said that He is the Light of the world. In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. God the Father, Jesus the Son & the Holy Spirit ARE the LET US in verse 26.

I think there would be much knowledge put together rightly if scientists (some of them) would accept that Creation makes more sense, than evolution with no God it. Early scientists were Christian, fascinated with what they were discovering about earth. Even I can see why satan was upset with God receiving the credit. He lost his deed to planet earth at the Cross of Jesus; the Son of God. All Satan is now is a destroyer of the life that comes from God. He tried to get permission to kill Job, but God would not permit! He thought he had killed Jesus, but Jesus was resurrected and that was recorded by many witnesses alive then. Thanks to the Pharisees that had Roman guards posted by Jesus's tomb till Sunday. Jesus's tomb is on display every day..empty!

The Book of Revelation is Truth and a final Battle will be fought between Jesus and Satan. It's all going to happen as written.

I ask all unbelieving scientists WHY wouldn't you want to live eternally in New Jerusalem, and see, study...what happens NEXT?! Why wouldn't you want to meet the CREATOR of everything? He'd love to meet you :)

Thank you. Is time relevant to matter?

The first thing God did was create TIME. He is the Alpha and the Omega: the beginning and the End. Original language here says 'In Beginning'. Not: In The Beginning

God exists inside and outside of time. He sees everything.

Thank you for the reply! Your answer, in part, is that there were three persons in the beginning. Please, what do you mean by 'beginning'?

Ok. I see where you could be confused here. When I come to understand these pages in the Holy Scriptures (66 books combined written by 40 different holy men of God) I did not get at first either. Through much prayer and receiving Jesus in to my heart as the Holy Spirit moved, I was shown these understandings. God Father, Jesus (Son) and the Comforter or Holy Spirit are actually 3 persons who were together in the beginning as the scripture says. That is why God the Father says let us make them (man and women) in our image. The Son as who is Jesus in John 1:14 And the Word or Jesus was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth. Some things will be shown to you as you grow and trust in the Lord with all your heart. It's a growing and learning experience. I have done many Bible studies over 45 years of my life. God is faithful to keep his promises. He asks us to study and search his words as you are doing. Some will always be learning and not receive the knowledge. We have to have faith to know the things of God. He will guide as he searches the heart of a man. I enjoy reading Corinthians 1 and 2 books. These books were an eye opener for me. Through the Holy Spirit the Lord can talk directly to you in visions and dreams just as he did before. That is real. It happens more than people know. This is a faith builder and it will strengthen you for what is coming in the future events. I personally love reading Daniel and Revelation. These books are another realm in itself. I hope this helps you Paul. May God continue to impress these truths upon your heart and may God bless you.

The confusion? .......and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. Please explain.

It depends. Where does that originate from? In Genesis the first book of the Bible it reads: 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 15:26 But when the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeded from the Father, he shall testify of me. Is this the Trinity you are referring to? The only (trinity) I can find in Gods written word.

And The Trinity is not confusing?

Michael is an Arch Angel, Chief Angel, Prince, or Messenger of God. He could not be Jesus the Christ. The book of Hebrews clearly explains the Deity of Christ and gives the reasons why Michael and Jesus are Not the same. Read the beginning Chapters of Hebrew. This will clear up any confusion. The Lord Jesus and God our Heavenly Father are not about confusion. We must read and search the entire Bible to be sure and to show ourselves approved.

Jesus Christ cannot be Michael the Archangel, because Jesus appears as a separate person from Michael:

"Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude." ( Daniel 10:5-6).

Notice that the description of this man matches Jesus Christ's description in Revelation 1:13-15. But later in Daniel 10:13, the same man (Jesus Christ) speaks about Michael as SOMEONE ELSE who helped him.

Happy Birth day MICHAEL, O Prince of peace, even the Messiah! Happy Birth day, though thou art from everlasting to everlasting, O JESUS:

Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, how Daniel was touched by God and was given much strength, where as before he had none. This is amazing loo the power of GOD!!!

Score for explanation on that.God bless you

Nay. For no man who is of the truth can reject the truth: For it is written in the Holy Scriptures, of CHRIST: And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected: but received me as an Angel of God, EVEN as Christ Jesus.

But I will shew thee that which is noted in the Scripture of truth: and THERE IS none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince.

Jesus is not and was not an angel.

Your argument is somewhat prevaricated upon the prince of Persia being Satan, which is not the best logic either. It is logical though to assume that the Christ had a form and a name prior to his existence here on Earth. Hence Michael literally means "One who is like God", for "he who has seen me has seen the Father". Jesus was most certainly the Most Important Arch Messenger Angel

See the envy of the wicked? Ordained to this condemnation, it blasphemes the Name of Christ: EVEN the Holy Ghost. Yet, for this very thing it is written in the Holy Scriptures, as given by God the Father: If we believe not, YET he abides faithful: he cannot deny himself. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected: but received me as an Angel of God, EVEN as Christ Jesus.

v. 21 Who is Michael? v. 21 Who is Michael? I can tell you who he is not. He is not Jesus. He is an angel.

I'd like to make a correction to Vernon Cartwright's comment about Dan..10: 13, 21 stating that according to these scriptures, it is clear that Michael is Christ. Please take another look, Dan..10: 13 states, but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me Michael is the Arc Angel that assisted Christ in the struggle with the Prince of Persia Satan ! Christ is not Michael!

Daniel meets Gab and Mike... Gods Personal messengers....He was at his wits end..What to do how to do what Jesus God want him to do fight to t he end... and He knew he had to....and that he knew that would pleasure the Lord God and more....He Daniel was thought of highly by God Jesus.....Daniel in 9 and 10 sound like Moses when he Met God on the Holy Mountain Moses went forth

reading 9 and10 Daniel new what he had to do .He prayed to the one he knew what was going to happen....but he had to know how to pray...to Jesus God to get his blessings to tell him what to do....although he was scared and when he met Gab... and Listen to him he knew......He knew what Jesus wanted.. the path was set... He learned how to pray to Jesus and wait for an answer..He listened

Wow catholic...no longer i am following the words of jesus...i am now at a jewish temple..and when i drove up.... i new i was home..my whole life i new i was missed placed...yes....i feel the presence of jesus with me...i met god.. he touched my forhead..and jesus smiled and when i met his mother mary..she told me,,,,,,,god gave you a talent.. you need to go,, out and use it? healing it is..

Daniel 10 is very powerful. This scriptures comes to tell us that as children of God we must be determine to fight to the end and never give up. We never can tell that the king of persia (satan) is the reason why most children of God are still praying and still suffering. We need to pray violently and insistedly like Daniel and always invite Michael to help us defeat the king of persia in our live

There are several references in scriptures that tell who Michael is. Dan.10:13, 21, Dan. 12:1, Jude 9,(Christ), Rev. 12:7-9. It is clear that Michael is Christ.Michael is used when there is a confrontation. These verses indicated that there is a battle, when there was war in heaven. May God bless you in your search for understanding.