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  • Pastor-Ronnie Williams - In Reply on Daniel 12 - 3 years ago
    TO: Lorraine Magarian on Daniel 12

    The thief on the cross was still under the old law, Jesus had not died and come back from the grave yet. This is the first example people will pull out of The Word of God to explain why a person doesn't have to be baptized, but it is wrong. John 3:5 ( Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.) I am a simple minded Hillbilly preacher, I don't claim to know much, but I do know this; No matter what men or women say, God's Word will not change. Praying for you.
  • The Mystery of Creation of TIME and The Creator - In Reply - 3 years ago
    There are scriptures in Genesis that explain SOME (not all) about the pre-Adamic world.

    A word of caution: there are Cults that teach something called Old Earth Theory. It was used to explain archeology, geology, space exploration, ancient religions, dinosaurs, really old human bones.

    Although some of these things are alluded to; does not mean a separate book was included in the Bible, or Canonized. God did not Authorize "old earth theory". There is the danger of heresy. Avoid that.

    The entire Bible IS ABOUT JESUS Christ. He's practically on every page. If you miss that reality, then you can be drawn away by the Lust for self-importance. (Pride). Ego and arrogance.

    The way to deep study the Bible is to get a Study Bible with a CENTER OF EACH PAGE COLUMN. The abc's imbedded in a scripture correspond to a letter in the Center column. You have to stop where you are and go read all of those notes. Those notes will lead you to even more expanded teaching. make notebooks full of notes: how you got from "here", to "there", and everything in between. Genesis jumps forward and backs up. Easy to miss.

    I think, given this TIME in history [His-Story], we should concentrate on the prophesy of Daniel 12:5-13.

    WE are the generation that will know what that Chapter has hidden for a very long time. They're coming unsealed. Life and goings on, all over this planet are being unsealed.

    Don't get distracted now. Who stands to benefit with us being distracted and led away on fake mystery hunts? Satan.

    Be relevant to the signs of the Times. Matthew 24:34, Matthew 25:35

    How good are you at reading signs?

    Type SIGNS in the Search Box and prepare to be amazed!

    Lastly, science and theories will not secure Salvation, nor will you get to meet the Creator.

    There was stuff here. Then God CREATED TIME. Genesis 1:1. Only THEN, time started ticking. Scientists can estimate age; but not time.

    Mishael
  • Lorraine Magarian on Daniel 12 - 3 years ago
    Richard Boyd:. The blood is applied to us at salvation not baptism. One has to be saved first for baptism to mean anything.

    Baptism is the first act of obedience of the believer. Remember the thief on the cross did not get baptized. Nonetheless, Jesus told him he would be in paradise.
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 9 - 3 years ago
    Hello Tommy,

    I believe in the first option you mentioned, because of the most Biblical support:

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52 - These first two are clearly stated and would be hard to misinterpret, in my opinion.. Those who die are sleeping awaiting Jesus's return and judgment. But it says not all will sleep, some will be alive and meet Jesus immediately in the air.

    Daniel 12:2

    1 Thessalonians 5:9-10

    Those who believe we go immediately to heaven rely on 2 key verses which in my opinion are misinterpreted.

    1. "away from the body with the lord" - based on 2 Corinthians 5:8 and a commonly repeated phrase, but is fake news, because the Bible doesn't say that. Paul said he would "RATHER" be away from his body and with the Lord. It doesn't say in 100% of all cases and 100% of all scenarios 100% of the time if you die you are 100% of the time IMMEDIATELY with the Lord, regardless of anything and everything. It doesn't even come remotely close to saying that, but yet, that's the belief repeated perhaps because it gives people comfort, especially at funerals.

    2. The other verse commonly cited as 'proof' of this belief is Jesus on the cross saying on this day you will be with me in paradise. Here's what Jesus didn't say- he didn't say you and 100% of all other people, 100% of the time, in any and all cases, regardless, will INSTANTLY be with me in heaven, and not even face judgment, despite me already saying all will be judged. Jesus didn't say that. God can do whatever He wants and make special exceptions for whomever He wants. It doesn't automatically mean every single action is a template rule for all of humanity. That would be a gross overinterpretation. Also... Jesus didn't say he would go to heaven with him. He said paradise, which may be different. It could be a waiting place where the dead sleep before Jesus returns and before judgment day. Something to think about.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 5 - 3 years ago
    Raquel, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The ones who die in unbelief will at some point in time be resurrected back in their bodies of flesh and will be JUDGED IN CHRIST and will BE IN CHRIST.

    Isaiah 1:26 I will restore thy judges (ones in first resurrection)as at the first, and thy counsellors (ones in first resurrection) as at the beginning: afterwards (second resurrection; after they or judged IN CHRIST) thou shalt be called, the city of RIGHTEOUSNESS, the FAITHFUL city.

    Isaiah 26:9 .....for when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Isaiah 61:11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth, so the Lord God WILL CAUSE RIGHTEOUSNESS and PRAISE to spring forth before ALL the nations.

    Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise (ones in the first resurrection) shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they (ones in first resurrection) shall turn many (ones in second resurrection) to RIGHTEOUSNESS as the stars for ever and ever.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Carleton, it surely may be later than we think so, we in the kingdom under the reign of Jesus Christ as He told us, WATCH. The darkness of this world is getting heavier, but darkness is fully dependent on the absence of light, light can never be defined as the absence of darkness, light will continue to be light regardless of the amount of darkness, the smallest light will shine through the darkest dark. Therefore, we must shine as bright as we can shine and watch until Jesus returns.

    2 Thessalonian 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    It could be today, therefore we walk in the Spirit, keep our heads up, and our eyes of faith on Jesus.

    May your light be brighter than the sun.

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Carl, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and his understanding.

    Revelation 22:6 ...sent his angel to shew unto his servants the THINGS which must be SHORTLY DONE.

    Revelation 22:10 ....for the time is at hand.

    NO ONE could be BORN AGAIN until the seventh seal was opened.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, an lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.

    This fulfils the prophecy in:

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the terrible and great day of the Lord come.

    The DAY OF THE LORD came when John the baptist began preaching the kingdom of God.

    Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and those that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the EARTHQUAKE and those things which were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

    Matthew 27:47 Now from the sixth hour there was DARKNESS over the land until the ninth hour.

    John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there BLOOD and water.

    Jesus was crucified when the sixth seal was opened.

    Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    This fulfils the prophecy in:

    Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days.

    Forty two months, three and a half years, time and times and a half. Jesus ministry in the flesh, ending in his death and resurrection. Then silence until forty five days latter and PENTECOST.

    Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the one thousand three hundred thirty days.

    At Pentecost THE MYSTERY was revealed, the seal on Daniel's prophecy was opened: CHRIST IN YOU

    became possible.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 3 years ago
    Brother Brent, may CHRIST IN US grace us with His wisdom and His understanding

    From Genesis to Malachi we see all the prophecies of the coming CHRIST; the law and prophets are the two witnesses to this event. Daniel 12:11-12 foretell of the forty two month ministry of Christ; forty five days latter Pentecost.

    Revelation 10 is telling John that when he leaves his body of flesh and is become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST he will again prophecy to the nation having BECOME a Priest to HIS GOD.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3:13 - 3 years ago
    Sacha, it is possible that the OT folk knew something of a suffering beyond the grave, but I agree that there's not a lot mentioned in that respect. We could look at Daniel 12:2: "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Here the thought is that those who die will awake (resurrection?), some to everlasting life & some to everlasting contempt. So even if one doesn't believe in a never-ending suffering, this verse shows that the dead don't remain dead but arise to some sort of judgement & punishment that doesn't end.

    Isaiah 30:33: "For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it." In this verse, the word "Tophet" is used & in the Greek (NT) is translated as Gehenna. This was a place near Jerusalem, in which the idolatrous Israelites used to offer up their children to Moloch. It may be put, for any place of torment; and particularly it is put for hell. "For the king": For the king of Assyria. "Fire": He alludes to the ancient custom, of burning sacrifices, and particularly of burning children to Moloch. "The breath": The immediate Hand of God, or His Word of anger. "Brimstone": alludes to that shower of fire and brimstone seen in Gen 19:24. Though this verse doesn't speak of an after death judgement, it reveals its counterpart in the NT.

    You can also look at Isaiah 66:22-24. So I can't say why there was not more written about this subject in the OT & even among Jews there are different camps as to what to believe. For me, I think it sufficient that Jesus spoke very clearly about it & treated the everlasting suffering of the sinner as real & it was for this reason He came so that none should fall under the Hand of God ( Hebrews 10:31).
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 3 years ago
    Part 1 continued:

    ( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people,...smite therefore upon thy thigh. "smite therefore upon thy thigh" is reference to Jacob wrestling an angel for the birthright he obtained from a hungry Esau, for a bowl of lentil soup. Wrestling the angel permanently injured Jacob's thigh ( Genesis 32:24-25). Seen as our "Jacob's time of trouble"; the great tribulation.

    God made both Gog and Esau "small" and "despised "( Obadiah 1:2) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

    ( Daniel 11:23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

    ( Matthew 24:21-22) For then shall be great tribulation....

    ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The falling away is the abomination of desolation.

    ( Mark 13:14) ( Matthew 24:15)

    ( 2 Peter 3:10) (Mathew 3:11)

    ( Amos 5:18) ( Amos 5:20)

    ( Daniel 11:31)

    ( Revelation 17:16-17)

    ( Daniel 9:27)

    ( Jeremiah 51:53)

    ( Revelation 18) vs 20 ...for in one hour is she made desolate.

    ( Revelation 18:9-10) ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. ( Ezekiel 18:26)

    ( Daniel 12:6-7)

    Israel (house) is notably attacked [from the south to the north]:

    ( Ezekiel 21:2-4) And say to the land of Israel (northern kingdom),...therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh [from the south to the north].

    ( Ezekiel 20:46-47) ....Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree:...and all faces [from the south to the north] shall be burned therein.

    ( Isaiah 21:1) ....As whirlwinds in [the south pass through]; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land (Gog's land)

    ( Job 37:9)

    ( Isaiah 24) "Day of the Lord" aftermath.

    ( Revelation 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed...
  • Richard in Christ on Psalms 100 - 3 years ago
    As I am looking forward to a reply from Earl I want to make another post. No rush Earl you have stated your situation.

    As Adam has stated in another post I cannot see ALL being saved in the end as how many Scriptures there are about people going to eternal damnation or "Hell". Some can't see a loving God be like this to people for say only sinning in the span of their physical life. Though I don't think anyone can perceive how serious sin is to a Perfect, Pure, Almighty God. Also in that it is not the pleasure of God that any should perish. The Lord will not turn away any that truly come to Him. Then on the day of Judgement when the books are opened. People may be shown how many times in their lives God has tried to lead them to Salvation in Jesus Christ and repentance of sins. Maybe just repentance before the Lord came to earth. All up to Him as He is fair.

    So here are a couple more Scriptures I find that solidify this. Even at the end of Isaiah 66:23-24. Speaking of all flesh coming to worship Him though just the next verse it speaks of how bad it will be for those who are against Him. Daniel 12:2, Psalms 9:17, 2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 6:8, 1 Peter 4:17-19, 2 Peter 3:7. Our names written in Heaven which does not seem to be for all Luke 10:20.

    How Jesus Christ spake of a "Hell" and tried to warn people of it a lot. A place of "wailing and gnashing of teeth". Eternal punishment as those who are saved eternal life. The same Greek word used "aionios" for "everlasting or without beginning or end".

    The story of Lazarus and there being two places separate from each other after death. Luke 16:20-31.

    Weather it be sheol, hades, gehenna, tartarus, or just hell I want nothing to do with any of those places. I believe God loves us so much He sent us these warnings in that we do not have to go there. Though if any reject Him He will not force anyone to be with Him.

    A good saying. "If you are born twice(born again in the Spirit) you die once, born once die twice".
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 14

    Revelation 15

    Revelation 16

    This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle ( Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) ( Revelation 14:14-20) ( Matthew 20:1-16)

    When the sixth seal was opened ( Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of ( Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him ( Isaiah 26:19),( Revelation 20:5-6) and ( Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour ( Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost ( Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST ( Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne ( Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again ( Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. ( Ezekiel 1:10) ( Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

    Hebrews 12:29

    Luke 12:49-50

    Matthew 3:11-12

    Isaiah 9:5

    Isaiah 4:3-4

    Malachai 3:2-3

    Ezekiel 20:46-49

    1 Corinthians 3:15
  • N.D on 1 John 2:8 - 3 years ago
    Paul is saying in 1John 2:8 that the things which were prophesied from the beginning about Jesus Christ the Messiah is now been revealed and fulfill in him. Daniel 12:4 But thou O Daniel shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Psalms 138 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, may the Spirit grace us with his wisdom and understanding. You stated that Paul was bold in his teachings; but could be so because he was taught by Jesus in the desert. Scripture says we are taught the same way.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him abideth in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Revelation 12:14 And to the woman (symbolic of the church, which is us) were given two wings of a great eagle (symbolic of the kingdom of heaven), that she might fly in the wilderness (the desert where you are taught by the Holy Spirit, which is Christ), into her place, nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (symbolic of the day of the Lord which began at John the Baptist crying as a voice in the desert and has continued now for 2000 years.

    Ezekiel 17:1-24

    Mark 1:3

    John 1:23

    Daniel 12:7

    Daniel 12:11-12

    BE BOLD, fear not it's Christ words, it's his WORKS.
  • Carleton - In Reply on Psalms 138 - 3 years ago
    Daniel 12:9
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Psalms 138 - 3 years ago
    Daniel 12:4
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Letter of Jeremiah 1:12 - 3 years ago
    Lisa,

    If God wrote a "tell all book" revealing every mystery, it would draw the same response as the KJV. The majority of people would go their own way, and the minority would seek the Lord with all their heart.

    Isaiah 24:4-5 Describes the conditions of the earth after the beast has taken Babylon, and 3 nations of his own confederacy. Look further down, it is devastating. Isaiah 24:19-20

    Ephesians 6:12 This is true. We fight against powerful rulers of darkness: Governments, Bavarian Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits and all of their ghastly traditions.

    The media outlets are owned by 5 Ashkenazi Jews, they are inherently sinister, practice sorceries. They script fake news we live by.

    "The bible is a puzzle due to the deception of adding & removing words since the roman council nicea of 325 AD" You have to carefully read the Bible and use other like scriptures to assess the story. However altered, it's what we got.

    The 2nd stick in Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

    Depicts both houses of Israel coming together ever since the Salomon split, and in a new heaven, earth. This is after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, because ONLY the house of Israel are resurrected as 1st fruits of Christ. Let the Mormon church use the story.

    Daniel 12:4 The Holy Spirit increases knowledge in conjunction with the time line. 200 years ago you couldn't discern the prophets like we can today. The 5-6-7th trumpets, which are separate from the first four, and made for this generation.
  • Lisa Kilpatrick - In Reply on Letter of Jeremiah 1:12 - 3 years ago
    They were removed to control the masses through all religions including precepts. All religions is Evil Kingdom mimicking - Isaiah 24:4-5 In Ephesians 6:12 is another clue.

    Everywhere you turn practically are religion place of images worship with is all abominations - Exodus 20

    The Ten Commandments are not done away by no grace LIARS in those satanic witchcraft places taught that bs to control everyone PSYCHOLOGICALLY to keep people stupid in removing natural COMMON SENSE in questioning everything concernng their lies.

    In the bible Our Creator stated through the prophets these religions fakes ARE NOT ORDAIN BY THEE AT ALL!!!

    Q: Do you know why you hear about religion places being burned globally more frequently from the skies?

    A: FOR LEADING THE INNOCENT MASSES ASTRAY AWAY FROM DIVINE ORDER FOR THOSE TRULY LOVING OUR ALMIGHTY CREATOR.

    Watch Global News On YouTube & Not Mainstream They Block The Real Truth From The Public Globally.

    Everyone need to aquire the oldest bible they can possibly through greatgrands, great aunts, great uncles, etc. There you will locate precepts.

    The bible is a puzzle due to the deception of adding & removing words since the roman council nicea of 325 AD

    The 2nd stick in Ezekel 37 v16 is the book of Mormn & there are 4 of them. These books with the KJV1611 of Apocrypha joins / explains the puzzle back together for all to get started.

    In Daniel 12:4 Only A Few Were Released 2 Esdras 14:44 explains further that there are way more books & are being expose right now

    Globally those seeking Our Creator - Matt 6:33 & Come Away From Babylon Religions - Rev 18:4-5 we have entered the beginning of the last days & headed into a new era called Age of Aquarius.

    My explaination is THE TRUTH & Only If you Ask for Our Creator Of His Gift Of DISCERNMENT Then Clarity/Removal Of The Veil Will Come To You, The Purity Of Mind,Heart,Spirit.

    In Acts 7, Our Father informs us we are the only TEMPLE Our Creator Resides or Ever Needed.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Judges 11 - 3 years ago
    As I don't want quarrel my heart leads me to reply to this statement made.

    You call the Lords prayer "insulting" and "phony"?? You discredit some books of the Holy Bible yet cling to and wrest verses to fit your own "understanding" from other portions of the Holy Bible? Stating "only one person here has knowledge of what I say" and you think I'm on high?? You tell me to keep my nose in the OT and preach "everyone shall be saved"?

    How's a prophecy from Daniel for you? Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. As I would think you know these prophecies are about the end times. It does not say everyone shall be saved and receive everlasting life. Like the heresies you are seeming to preach here.

    If what I stated will not lead you to examine yourself. If a prophecy from the OT, Daniel, is not enough to make you rethink your "understandings" you believe in. All I can do is pray for you. You are in my prayers.

    Again I posted a verse from the Holy Bible that contradicts with you posts. I am only doing this to lead you in the right direction and that is Jesus Christ. Not knowing gematria and knowing all the lies and deceptions of satan in this world. Focus on the Lord and follow Him.

    I went to that site of that man you posted saying he was real smart or something. I could only watch his video for a couple minutes after seeing how rude he was cursing others out. That is not of God.

    ( 1 John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    Set your heart on producing good fruit of the Spirit for our Father. God Bless you.
  • Carleton on Matthew 12 - 3 years ago
    Lost in Adam and restored in Christ Jesus

    Revelation 10:7

    1 Thessalonians 4:16

    1 Corinthians 15:44

    Matthew 24:31

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    1 Corinthians 15:32

    Philippians 3:21

    1 John 3:2

    Matthew 13:43

    Daniel 12:3

    Revelation 21:4, 5

    Colossians 1:20

    John 10

    Matthew 22:10

    Matthew 25:34

    Isaiah 65:17-19

    2 Peter 3:13

    1 Corinthians 2:9

    Matthew 21:15

    Psalm 8:3

    Isaiah 65 19-25

    Revelation 7:16-17

    so much more...

    :)
  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 3 - 3 years ago
    Dear Melvin,

    That's a good question. I personally trust what the Bible says over what men say. I'm 100% certain that we will not go to heaven until judgment day first occurs, and I'm certain that day won't come until Jesus first returns to earth, and I'm certain that the scriptures that say the dead will rise and meet him in the air is true. The Bible also refers to people who are dead as being 'asleep', and I believe that to those who die it will seem like a second and they will be meeting Jesus and awaiting Judgment. So, I believe it's untrue for people to tell others they immediately go to heaven- they often ignore all the other verses and focus on only 3 to support that theory, which are often misinterpreted. They say Jesus said in this day you will see me in paradise- but 2 things: Jesus can make exceptions for whomever he wants, and second, paradise isn't necessarily heaven, but may be the waiting place before judgment. Then they say Paul said apart from the body with the Lord, but 2 things: 1. It doesn't say it, it says Paul would "rather" be with the Lord, he didn't say in 100% of all cases if you are dead that you are automatically with the Lord. If that was true, what about people who go to hell- are they "with the Lord" too? Also people who die may not be separated from their bodies yet. And finally they say, yeah, but Elijah went to heaven. God can do whatever he wants- Moses had a talking bush- does that mean you get one? Noah built an ark- does that mean everyone has arks? Just because God gave someone extra attention doesn't mean it automatically applies to 100% of all people, all the time. It's interesting how some assume that concept applies to some verses, but not others.

    When you continue to read scripture and you see verses like Daniel 12:2, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and it's hard to not just take it literally and believe exactly what it says. I believe what God says over what any man says.
  • Earl Bowman on Revelation 11 - 3 years ago
    Revelation 11:2 FORTY TWO MONTHS

    Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the (spiritual) temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (new Jerusalem) shall they tread under foot forty two months.

    Forty two months is the three and one half years of Christs ministry. John the Baptist to Jesus crucifixion.

    Daniel 12:11 And the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that MAKETH desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (forty two months or three and one half years).

    Did you notice that the abomination that MAKETH desolate was set up at the same time the daily sacrifice was taken away and replaced by the ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice of Christ.

    After Christ resurrection the treading under foot or the (spiritual) holy city (new Jerusalem) by the Gentiles became a lost cause.

    Revelation 17:14 These (horns) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them....(spiritual warfare) 2 Corinthians 10:4 Isaiah 4:4 Isaiah 9:5

    Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the BEAST, these (horns) shall hate the whore, and shall make her DESOLATE and NAKED, and SHALL EAT HER FLESH, and BURN HER WITH FIRE.

    Perhaps these horn parallel or are a shadow of the horns of the alter in the old testament.

    Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their (horns) hearts to fulfil HIS WILL, and to agree, and give THEIR KINGDOM unto the beast, until the WORDS OF GOD BE FULFILLED.
  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 14 - 3 years ago
    Please note that Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord. Paul didn't say that in 100% of the cases immediately when a Christian dies that 100% of the time he skips judgment day and immediately goes to heaven. In fact, scripture supports the opposite- that the dead will remain in sleep until Jesus returns then will be caught up in the air then judgment day determines where someone goes. It doesn't make as much logical sense either for people to go to heaven then go back to earth only to make a verse true that the dead will rise and meet Jesus, only to go back to heaven again, while skipping Judgment day altogether that the Bible says will happen. So, when you take all the scriptures in context, it's clear that the dead will be in a mode of sleep which will probably pass like an instant to that person, before they then meet Jesus and are judged accordingly. No one is 'saved' until they are first judged. 1 Thessalonians 4:13, Matthew 12:36, Daniel 12:2 (sleep in dust of earth clearly means sleeping in the grave, before judgment), 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Daniel 8 - 3 years ago
    Yea, he [antichrist beast] magnifiedhimselfeven to [against] the princeof the host[Christ], and by him the dailysacrificewas taken awayH7311H7311, and the place of his [Christ] sanctuarywas cast down.

    { Daniel 8:11}

    (Here the place of the true sanctuary is being cast down: see Heb 8:1)

    And armsshall standon his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuaryof strength, and shall --take away--H5493[call/bring back] the daily, and they --shall place-- H5414 [set up]the abominationthat maketh desolate.

    { Daniel 11:31}

    --Jesus at his crusifiction caused the sacrifice and the oblation of the daily to cease.

    ( Daniel 9:27)

    And from the time[508 A.D.] thatthe daily (sacrifice)shall be --taken away--H5493, [call back] and the abominationthat maketh desolateset upH5414,there shall be a thousandtwo hundredand ninetydays. ("The time of the end")

    { Daniel 12:11}

    (The spurious sanctuary being set up in place of the true sanctuary in heaven, which is what the terminus quem of 1798 A D. gives us.)

    This is the antichrist beast of Rome who thinks to change times and laws of God, and who in their own words thinks to reinstate the the literal sacrifices (daily) that Christ caused to cease with his one perfect sacrifice.

    And he ['ha moshiach'] shall confirm the covenant ['berit hadashah'] with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [the 70th week] HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Zephaniah 1 - 3 years ago
    Hopeful, may the Spirit grace you with his (spiritual) knowledge and his (spiritual) wisdom.

    John 6:63 ....... the words that I ( 1 Peter 1:11,the Spirit of Christ or 1 Peter 1:21,the Holy Ghost or 2 Samuel 23:1-2, the Spirit of the Lord or Revelation 19:10,the words of Jesus) speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they (words) are life.

    The day of the Lord is prophecy about a spiritual day; but, a day in spiritual time is not necessarily a day in natural time ( 2 Peter 3:8).

    Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterwards (after the day of the Lord), that I (Spirit) will will pour my spirit upon all flesh......

    Since the Spirit (Holy Ghost) was poured out on all mankind at pentecost; therefore, the day of the Lord begin at pentecost and is continuing to this day 2000 years later in natural time; but, only one day in spiritual time.

    Second witness:

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon (symbolic of Christ)..... Psalm 89:35-36 And it (the throne of Christ, from the proceeding verse) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a FAITHFUL WITNESS in heaven...... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS.......into blood before the terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord (pentecost) come.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he (the Lamb) had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth hair, and the moon (symbolic of Christ) became as blood.....

    Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

    Matthew 27:51 ........and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.

    John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there blood and water.

    Revelation 8:1 And when he (the Lamb) had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half hour (spiritual time not natural time)

    This time was the time between Christ resurrection and the day of the Lord (pentecost)

    Daniel 12:11-12 45 days between vs 11 and 12
  • STUDYING TO SHARE - In Reply on Revelation 22:18 - 3 years ago
    I don't think that way. The Bible is not guilty of confusing or getting people off balance.

    This is Daniels age of information: Daniel 12:9-10. It is a mystery that is opening, NOW.

    I am not lecturing anyone specifically, ok? Most hindrances to Bible Study is NOT asking the Holy Spirit to HELP you to find your answers.

    I'm old, lol. I study every day. If it's a disease, I have it. It's personally rewarding and captivates me to dig even deeper to get at some truth. You need Bibles with study reference columns in the center of each page; you need a concordance; you need skill at Googling: Commentaries, History, Teachings, Maps and Genealogy Charts. I use everything.

    I watch very little TV. When it's quiet, I hear the leadings of the Holy Spirit much clearer. He is the most interesting Person I've ever known.

    You have many good questions. You're being called to Joel 2:28-29, 1 Corinthians 12. Galatians 3:25-28. You're blessed so keep studying, but remember to encourage yourself in Jesus. Sit in the sun, listen to some praise music, contemplate the weather that God moves around (Job). Smile at one person.

    In the 4 Gospels, 4 men, different occupations came to listen to Jesus. Jesus invited them to follow him. There's a prophesy in Psalms about Judas; who would betray Jesus. Mary Magdalene and other women who cooked & washed robes, etc, followed Jesus. Paul who was never married , had women that helped with various things. Thats where Googling skills come into play. Read a historians comments too.

    Jesus was a story teller which is something I love too. You have to know a story to tell it to the unsaved. My friends, we are ALL called to do the work of an evangelist. Some call it gift of gab, but I call it sharing a story, in the power of the Holy Spirit that brings the message of Christ to a heart ready to be planted by Gods Word. Plant, Water or reap harvest. ( Matthew 10:27)

    A love gift to you: Malachi 3:16-18

    Mishael
  • Richard E Jensen on Daniel 12 - 3 years ago
    For those who need revealing help with Daniel, get info here/Can use help with publishing revealing book. Anybody there, Dalton?
  • Signs of the Times Signs of the END - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    There are scriptures in Genesis that explain SOME (not all) about the pre-Adamic world.

    A word of caution: there are Cults that teach something called Old Earth Theory. It was used to explain archeology, geology, space exploration, ancient religions, dinosaurs, really old human bones.

    Although some of these things are alluded to; does not mean a separate book was included in the Bible, or Canonized. God did not Authorize "old earth theory". There is the danger of heresy. Avoid that.

    The entire Bible IS ABOUT Jesus Christ. He's practically on every page. If you miss that reality, then you can be drawn away by the Lust for self-importance. (Pride). Ego and arrogance.

    The way to deep study the Bible is to get a Study Bible with a CENTER of Each Page Reference Bible. The abc's imbedded in a scripture correspond to a letter in the Center column. You have to stop where you are and go read all of those notes. Those notes will lead you to even more expanded teaching. Ya gotta make notebooks full of notes: how you got from "here", to "there", and everything in between. Skip it. Go buy some Grant Jeffreys books.

    This is why I do not engage in Genesis arguments. Question is: how deep is your relationship to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? What is your personal knowledge of, the Knowledge of the Holy? (That's a scripture)

    I think, given this TIME in history [His-Story], we should concentrate on the prophesy of Daniel 12:5-13.

    WE are the generation that will know what that Chapter has hidden for a very long time. They're coming unsealed. Life and goings on, all over this planet are being unsealed.

    Don't get distracted now. Who stands to benefit with us being distracted and led away on fake mystery hunts? Satan.

    Be relevant to the signs of the Times. Matthew 24:34, Matthew 25:35

    How good are you at reading signs?

    Type SIGNS in the Search Box and prepare to be amazed!

    For those who want to be INFORMED.

    Mishael
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Mark 13:18 - 4 years ago
    If you glance back at verse 14 of Mark 13, you will read:

    "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"

    This would occasion the prayer regarding their flight in verse 18.

    This verse in turn refers back to Daniel's vision in Daniel chapters 10-12 which culminates with the abomination that maketh desolate in Daniel 12:11. Those hearing Jesus would likely remember from their history a desecration of the temple by a vile oppressor, Antiochus Epiphanes.

    Before Judah and Israel are fully restored, they will endure their worst ever persecution at the hand of Satan. ( Revelation 12)

    2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 also tells us, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

    When the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, the very generation Jesus was speaking to was subjected to a similar catastrophe, enslaved and scattered throughout the world.
  • WESLEY BARNARD - In Reply on Acts 13 - 4 years ago
    John 1:1 The Word of God is NOT God. The Word was sent forth the represent and articulate The Most High's repentance to Israel, which was 'lost'. A verse 18 testifies: No man has seen God at any time. This fact cannot be denied. Christ was the 'light to the Gentiles' at Isaiah 49:6 foretold. Paul also testifies that The Most High is the only one having immortality and no man has seen him. These facts tell us Christ, the Word of The Most High is not God.

    Indeed, Revelation 12:9 is cited, which exposes another humbling truth: We have all been deceived by Satan the Devil. His deceit has been so thorough that billions worship Christ as God, unknowingly. The Most High has a personal name at Psalm 83:18, Yahovah, yet we never hear His Holy Name. Why? Who wants to erase that name? Satan the Devil, who has deceived the whole world.

    However, we have now entered a period of enlightenment, if we choose to pursue it. Daniel 12:4 tells us that 'the book', the Bible, would 'shut up' and 'sealed' until when? Until 'the time of the end'. Few would argue that we are NOT living in 'the time of the end'. Yet, how many of us are prepared to accept and absorb the 'knowledge increased' promised?

    Indeed, you have just been presented with several new revelations: the worship of Christ is IDOLATRY, for he is not Yahovah and we have all been 'deceived', tricked, fooled by Satan, the Father of the Lie. We have learned that the Word of God has been 'sealed' and 'shut up' for millennia until now. Now, we have access to the truth if we want it. However, to have access to it, we must be 'born again', spiritually recreated as a new creation. Can we receive it? Pray for Spirit from Yahovah, The Most High Elohim and He will give it to you. This is what Christ died and shed his blood for - the truth. Shalom dear ones.


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