To compare, here's two similar terrible situations
Ps.34:19-Many are the afflictions of the righteous:but the Lord delivers him out of them all.
Acts 14:22-We must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of GOD
The KING of DARKNESS,the Devil, showed to JESUS all the kingdoms of the world,the glory of them,and said:All will I give thee,if thou fall down and worship me.Mat.4:8-9.
Re.13:1&15:
1 I stood upon the sand of the sea(John was a citzen of Israel),and saw a(MAN)Beast rise up out of the sea(Gentile nations),having 7 heads,10 horns, upon his HORNS 10 crowns(CROWNS UPON HORNS?),and upon his heads a NAME of blasphemy.
15 And he-MAN Beast of earth-Re.13:11-a false messiah- John 5:43-47,had power to give life unto the Beast's image,that the image should speak,who worships not the image must be killed.
Daniel 3:2-20
The KING sent to gather the princes,governors,the captains,judges, counsellors,all the rulers of the provinces,to come to the dedication of the image he had set up.They stood before the image and an herald cried:To you is commanded,O people,NATIONS,and languages,that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet,flute, harp,and all kinds of musick,ye fall down and worship the image the king has set up:Whoso falls not down and worships shall be cast into the burning fiery furnace.But Shadrach,Meshach,Abednego,O king, have not regarded thee,they serve not thy gods,nor worship the image you has set up.So in his rage and fury the KING commanded to bring them,and said:Is it true,O Shadrach,Meshach,Abednego,do not ye serve my gods,nor worship the IMAGE I have set up?When you hear the sound of the cornet,all kinds of musick,ye fall down and worship the image I have made;well:if not,ye shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace;who is that GOD that shall deliver you out of my hands?
O king,our GOD whom we serve is able to deliver us from furnace,thy hands,and we will not serve thy gods,nor worship the image you have set up.
Jesus was subject unto God his Father like anybody else
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,.."
God was not Superman to come as a human being he sent his Son Jesus John 3:16. If Jesus was God he sure is the weakest one I ever read as Jesus can do nothing by himself without the spirit of God his Father in him. John 5:30
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
No man can see God's face at anytime as people will die. Moses can never see God's face and neither can we, we only have the Son of God as an example who God his Father really is. Jesus preached God is a spirit John 4:24. Jesus never said that he was God in the whatever and if so nobody would be able to see his face.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he died and did everything that was written of him to do. The testimony of two m((en)) is true John 8:7 and not one m((an)). God was not Superman to become flesh, it was his Son as all the prophets of old knew that God had a son.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
God never left his throne he sent his Son Jesus and not himself Romans 8:3.
Nineveh and Babylon appear to be two nations that had a wholesale turn toward God; initiated in both cases by the rulers at hand.
Sackcloth and ashes were worn by the King in the first example; along with a mandatory fast. In the second case; it appears that
Nebuchadnezzar may have recognized God's power in his declaration of Daniel 3:29; as to not saying anything against God; but his own personal understanding appears to have come later as predicted in Daniel 4:25. In our nation revivals in the 1700s seemed to eclipse even George Washington's noteriety with individuals like Whitfield and similar things happened in Europe with the Wesleyan revival.
In both cases from scripture we see the ruler being warned about sin; with Jonah it was just a general declaration of judgment to come; with Nebuchadnezzar a direct plea from Daniel in Daniel 4:27 to turn from sin was given. I believe the same thing
happened with a challenge to a President in our country in the 1800s; maybe someone has that information here.
Proverbs 14:34 explains how sin is a reproach to any nation; which is contrasted by righteousness exalting a nation in the first part of the verse. Truly a nation is made up of individuals; hance as someone comes to faith it may change the balance to
forestall judgment for a time. As with nations; individuals also can extend their lives ( 2 Kings 20:6); and the wicked as a
principle will not live out half their days ( Psalm 55:23). Nahum shows how judgment was only forestalled and delayed not averted; and we can read the rest of Jeremiah to see how Babylon fared; with an end time parallel in Revelation 18.
As we see from the above examples; righteous leadership can bring benefits to all; even if not all individuals are actually saved.
The same principle applies with the wheat and the tares in churches. Some only secretly desire worldly comforts or prestige who surround themselves around repentant saints.
These last three years are telling of either or trust in Christ or in flesh. A pokey poke was mandated. My answer was no. I and others fought and stood on God's word no matter the outcome. Now some of us know this ties into the transhumanist agenda the more we research. Many thrones and principalities are complicit in this agenda.
People are dying suddenly now more than ever. Hmm. My prayers are for justice for them and the complicit every day in Jesus' name. Truly that is a precursor to the mark if nothing else. Jeremiah 17:5, "Cursed be the man that putteth his trust in man."
Yet, after writing all that, my main point in this refers to the accuracy of the KJB in Daniel 3:25. Disregarding the kings, even their beliefs, how does the LORD permit 'Son of God' to be written, yet allow 'spirit of the gods' in another passage? And we can't appeal to one king being moved by seeing a fourth being in the furnace (also Daniel 4:8,9), & the other king a non-believer speaking in Daniel 5:14. If the Bible is to reflect the Son & Spirit of God in these passages, then the wording must be consistent & not according to people's beliefs.
You wrote, "These were his gods. That explains why Belshazzar said "the spirit of the gods"". Then if this is true here, then it must be true in Daniel 3:25 (i.e. it should read 'son of the gods', since Nebuchadnezzar exclaimed what he knew at the time, that this being appeared to be a son (or angel) of one of his gods). As well, in Daniel 4:8,9, Nebuchadnezzar should not have then appealed to the 'spirit of his gods' if he believed that it was indeed the 'Son of God' in the furnace. Even if he was unsure about these divine manifestations, at least there should have been consistency with the KJB translators (either, 'Son & Spirit', or 'son & spirit). Here then is the inconsistency which hasn't been properly dealt with. Blessings.
Thanks Jimbob. Now I see what you're referring to here. You're speaking of Belshazzar, the son (some indicate, grandson) of Nebuchadnezzar (I had written Nebuchadnezzar incorrectly) & particularly in relation to Daniel 5:14. Yet, Belteshazzar was the name that Nebuchadnezzar gave to Daniel (I believe that you agree with this).
You mentioned here, "Nebuchadnezzar had a son to reign after him who did not know God". In light of what you wrote just before this, is it your assumption that Nebuchadnezzar did know the true God? Maybe I have again misunderstood you, given a verse such as Daniel 2:2. True, after Daniel interpreted the king's dream, the king developed a new understanding of Daniel's God, but in Daniel 2:47, it would be difficult for me to believe that the king rejected all his gods to believe in & serve the True God. I guess this would fall into the category of one's personal interpretation of that passage.
So Daniel 5:14 still remains confusing; as to why the LORD would permit 'the spirit of the gods' to be written here & in Daniel 3:25 He should permit "the Son of God" - regardless of which king was referred to.
c. Daniel 5:14. Here you wrote, "That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar." I'm unsure if you are at the same verse here Jimbob. My Bible shows that Nebuchadnezzar had renamed Daniel as Belteshazzar (v12). So when Daniel (Belteshazzar) was brought before Nebuchadnezzar, the king told him, "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee" (v14). My question was, why should God Who inspired His Word, have allowed such a thing to be written? Surely, God Who presumably inspired the KJV translators to write "the Son of God" should have also inspired them to write 'the Spirit of God' & not 'the spirit of the gods'? Therefore, in the Chaldean understanding of those passages, both 'son & spirit' refer to 'their gods' not THE God.
d. In Daniel 2:47, I don't believe that Nebuchadnezzar's belief in the ONE God changed at all. Here in the verse, he admits that Daniel's God was indeed the God of gods and Lord of kings. The king wasn't about to give up on his gods at all but had relented that the demonstrations of Daniel's God showed that this God was above his other gods. At the most, he probably now had a greater respect and fear for the God of Heaven & so gave special license to Daniel & his three companions to worship their God & punishment to those who speaks against Him ( Daniel 3:28,29).
Therefore, to believe that the KJB is a perfect translation direct from God can't be true. No translation ever is, whether of the Bible or any other work. An examination of any Bible translation work will always reveal errors from the original, as any translation from one language to another would. Indeed, God's Word IS preserved 'from this generation forever', but I would always go back to the original writings (whenever some dispute arises in the translations) to find & learn more from that preserved Word & not the translated Word. Every blessing.
Let me start off by saying that I believe all of God's word is true, so you don't have to ask me anymore if I believe certain verses are true. Yes, 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." The term inspiration of God is one Greek word that means God breathed. All scripture is God breathed. And yes, I agree that all scripture given by inspiration of God would be considered sound doctrine. But what we need to understand is that "sound doctrine" existed long before the King James Bible was written. The KJB didn't give us sound doctrine, we already had sound doctrine!
You say, "The KJB was translated by men who were called holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost ( 2 Pet. 2:19-21) Which has said the same thing for more than 400 years." By the way, it's 2 Peter Chapter 1, not Chapter 2. But again, you are misapplying 2 Peter 1:21. Peter was not referring to the translators of the KJB as the holy men of God. Peter was referring to the prophets of old, the apostles, and a few others who gave us the complete inspired word of God (Completed around 95 AD). God inspired those men to give us the complete word in written form. The KJB is a translation into English of the preserved word of God that already existed. If we apply the words "holy men of God" used 2 Peter 1:21 to the translators of the KJB to show that the KJB is the ONLY pure word of God in existence today, then why wouldn't it apply to other bibles that have the same verse, word for word?
If we're still discussing Daniel 3:25 and trying to figure out which version (KJB/NIV) is sound doctrine, I would say that neither is considered sound doctrine. The book of Daniel is a book of history and prophecy, not doctrine. If we want doctrine, we need to look to Paul's writings (Romans through Philemon).
Indeed GiGi. Even though, as I've learned, that in Hebrew, even a plural word doesn't always imply plurality, but the word must also be seen in context of the verse or passage. As in Genesis 1:1: some might maintain that 'Elohim' here must refer to other gods apart from Yahweh - but the context of the whole passage speaks about a single God Who created & spoke into being all things. So 'Elohim' is both a single & plural word of 'God, gods, judges, rulers, etc.'; then we can know who is being spoken about as we connect the word with the rest of the passage. Then in Daniel 3:25, alongwith the other references I gave in that Book, it indicates that in context with the beliefs & understandings of the Babylonians, they can't have normally envisaged a single Almighty God to the rejection of their own gods. But as we go through the Book of Daniel, we do see instances where Nebuchadnezzar relented, as far as acknowledging the greatness & power of Daniel's God against his own gods (e.g. Daniel 2:47; Daniel 3:26,28; Daniel 4:37; etc.).
And I saw your other post, about you leaving on your short holiday to Arizona. Have a safe & lovely time with your friend - I'm sure you would have wanted to have a longer time away. We have friends in Bullhead City, just across from the Nevada border - and we spent some time with them a while ago, before Covid struck, traveling together in that great State. My prayers are with you & your dear husband left on his own. And what a great opportunity you had to minister to that couple who missed their bus - may the Lord take them further in their journey in life, experiencing what great things God can do for them & in them. Blessings.
Hello Jimbob. If I might slip a spanner in the works here in regard to Daniel 3:25: would you consider Daniel 5:14 please? "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee." My question to you is: does this verse trouble you some? Should not the LORD God have allowed "the SPIRIT of God" be written here in the KJB? Yet in Hebrew, it is 'ruah elahin' (spirit of (the) gods).
Likewise, in Daniel 3:25, "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"; in Hebrew, it is 'bar elahin' (son of (the) gods). And particularly in the Book of Daniel, this is not uncommon where Nebuchadnezzar & the Chaldeans are seen referring to 'gods' (i.e. the deities that he believed had divine manifestations): see Daniel 2:11,47; Daniel 4:8,9,18; Daniel 5:11,14.
Therefore, I submit that what we see here in Daniel, are the beliefs that the king had in respect to deities. Not only to the 'gods' but also to the 'spirit of the gods' & the 'son of the gods'. In these portions, these are not God's Words related to us, but Nebuchadnezzar's & they must reflect his belief & understanding. But when we get to Daniel 3:28, we read that Nebuchadnezzar at last realized that this wasn't a 'son of the gods', in the furnace, but that the One & True God (the God of Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego) had sent His angel to deliver these faithful men.
Now the question: was this angel indeed the pre-incarnate Jesus, or were the translators exercising some liberty to show that it was the Son of God? I believe that the NIV & other translations are correct here as both the Hebrew & the context of Nebuchadnezzar's beliefs & words portray what he saw in the furnace as 'one sent from the deities'. If we then choose to read that Jesus was present there & not an angel, then that belief must be a personal choice.
Are you seriously asking me if I believe Psalm 12:6-7 is true? Well, I must say that I am humored by that question. I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to answer that one. I said that I didn't agree with Daniel 3:25, but unless I specifically said anything about it being sound doctrine, please do not tell me what I think because you have no idea what I think.
Jimbob, I have never once said that I doubt the KJB is the True Word of God. That is an assumption on your part, and a poor one at that! In fact, I've said that the KJB is the only Bible I own, the one I read and study from, and my Bible of choice, so your assumption falls completely flat!
I'll answer one more question, and then I am done with this conversation. You ask me how can I possibly know that God didn't use King James like God used so many others to fulfill His Word?
I have no way of knowing that, just the same as you have no way of knowing that He did. So where does that leave us? Should we just make assumptions?
Jimbob, if it makes you feel any better, I have no plans on trading in my King James Bible. But if you are wanting me to believe that "ALL" modern versions are corrupt, I need something more solid as proof, not just telling me they are all corrupt.
There are a few other "modern" versions that I find to be very solid. There is no reason for me to list them since your mind is already made up that they are all corrupt!
If you're not angry with me yet, I would like your thoughts on the Geneva Bible.
Jimbob, I do wish you well. You seem a little too extreme for me, but that's okay. I admire your zeal.
May the Lord continue to bless you, and may you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You are not suggesting that I do not trust God and believe His Word, are you? You already know that I read and study from the same Bible you do, and I have already stated that I am not defending the NIV (nor condemning), so as far as Daniel 3:25 (NIV) is concerned, I don't feel that I need to explain anything to you concerning that verse. However, I will say that I don't agree with it.
I would like to know why you chose the NIV specifically to go after if you believe all modern English translations are corrupt? (I have my suspicion) but would like your honest answer to that. Also, there are several other modern English translations out there, which one will you go after next? Not trying to be offensive, just curious.
If you don't mind answering why you failed to mention those NIV verses I presented to you, I would truly appreciate it.
Also, you brought up Luke 4:4 (KJB), and said that the NIV left out "but by every word of God." Have you considered the fact that Matthew 4:4 (NIV) says, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
I do agree that God said He would preserve His word forever. The book of Revelation was completed around 95 AD. Did we not have the complete inspired word of God with the completion of Revelation?
If so, at what point between 95 AD and 1611 AD was God's word no longer preserved and required a new English Bible to be written?
And the "holy men of God" that God inspired were Moses, the Prophets, the Apostles, and a few others (not the translators of the KJB).
God inspired and commissioned those holy men who gave us His inspired word. The KJV translators were commissioned by King James himself.
Another comparison of 2 Bibles. The KJB and the Niv.
The KJB.
( Daniel. 3:25)
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(The KJB says the form of the fourth is like the ((Son of God)) The Son of God IS Jesus Christ!!
The Niv
Daniel 3:25 in the Niv says:
"He said, Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods".
(The Niv says the fourth looks like ((a son of the gods)) A son of the gods? a small s, and small g.
( 2 Tim. 3:16) Tells us "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
(Do you think the True inspired Word of God would say "the fourth looks like ((a son of the gods))"?)
(Which verse would you think would be profitable for doctrine?)
(Which of those verses could be used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?)
The Words of the LORD are pure Words. ( Ps. 12:6-7)
Would Gods pure inspired Words say Jesus Christ looks like a ((son of the gods))? NO THEY WOULD NOT!!
Would Gods pure inspired Words say "the form of the fourth is like the ((Son of God))? YES!
The KJB is the inspired Word of God.
The KJB says in ( Jeremiah. 23:36) "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God" The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, by implying to change, overturn, pervert, change.
This verse tells us the word (perverted) means to CHANGE. When using the KJB we have the option of looking the word (perverted) up in the Original language to see that it means ((to change)) that is exactly what the Niv did, they changed the words of the living God, which is perverting the pure Words of God.
The Niv Jer. 23:36 Says "and so you (distort) the words of the living God" We cant look the word (distort) up to get the True meaning in the Original language!
Matthew 18:18, notice Matthew 18:15-22, in context Matthew 18, look closely when reading loosed again Matthew 18:27,
Looking up Matthew 18:18, in word breakdown in Strongs Exhaustive Concordance reference at bottom of page, "bind" translated 'deo' can mean pledge, marriage, or be in bonds, = Luke 13:16, context Luke 13, "loosed" translated 'luo' = break, destroy, dissolve, divorce
both scriptures same words, in Greek.
In the Old Testament, Daniel 3:5, "loose" translated 'shre' = to free, separate, unravel ( Thayer's Greek Lexicon a reference also in site, I use for comparison)
You are right, this is hard to understand so we need not be dogmatic but humble. The sons of God are in the OT only 5 times Gen. 6:2, 5 Job 1:6Job 2:6Job 38:7, and Daniel 3:25. The times in Job and Daniel are clearly angelic beings, so how do we take the meaning in Gen. 6. It says, "when the sons of God saw daughters of men", The Hebrew word for men here is h-'-m/adam meaning mankind. So, is this distinguishing a difference in the sons of adam/men?
There are words that we may overlook, "and also after that". We see giants/Nephilim after the flood. 2 Sam. 21:16Joshua 12:4Num. 13:33Deut. 2:19-21Deut. 20:17Amos 2:9 and more. Are there any NT scriptures that speak to this?
2 Peter 2:4-6 and Jude 1:6-7 both are talking about angels who sinned and "which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation", the Greek word is used only two times translated habitation is oiktrion, the other place was in 2 Cor 5:2 the word house. Peter and Jude both compare what these angels did the same as in Sodom and Gomorrah, strange flesh.
There are fallen angels along with Satan who are active on the earth today and still have access to heaven, but these angels did something even worse because God made an example of them and locked them in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit, until judgment. I do not know of any man in the OT who was ever called or referred to as son of God, I may have overlooked it, but my understanding is Nephilim came from these angels that God locked up.
Hi Janet. This isn't a spelling error. Many spellings in 17th Century English appear different to what we have now. You can see several of these differences in the Bible; one that comes to mind is the word 'throughly', what we spell as 'thoroughly'.
Chris gave a good answer, I'd like to add to the discussion. Please note the verse right before, Jeremiah 29:11, Jeremiah 29:10, sometimes we want GOD to change our situations "right now", sometimes HE does, but I believe this promise, is for GOD's people when we need the encouragement for the troubled times & endurance in longer seasons. Notice in Daniel, he & his companions had went through many difficult moments but GOD in miraculous ways delivered them, protected them & even encouraged them. I believe it was after Daniel was thrown in the lions den that he fasted & humbly prayed about the promise made in Jeremiah 29:10,11, Daniel 9:1,2,3, still waiting on that promise of 70 years,
note Daniel 6:1,2,3, (for why I place the timing, seemingly after lions den) the noted scriptures referring to about Daniel's encouragement, & companions, some say "the greater the trial the greater the miraculous": Daniel 1:8,9,17, Daniel 2:12,13,17,23Daniel 3:12-27, Daniel 4:19,24,25, Daniel 5, Daniel 6:7,10,16,22,28, Daniel 9:23, Daniel 10:11,12,18, Daniel 11:1,
Luke 10:19, there are moments that are painful but when we look at Salvation, the pruning, witness to strengthen the Body of Believers, then we realize it didn't "hurt us".
I hope these scriptures give you strength & hope= 1Peter 4:12,13, 2Corinthians 1:3-7, John 15:1-2, 1Corinthians 4:5, 2Corinthians 3:2, Zechariah 13:9, Malachi 3:3, 2Timothy 2:10, Psalms 30:5,
Endure even undue trials= 2Timothy 2:3, 2Timothy 4:5, remember Timothy was with Paul in ministry during persecution. 1Peter 2:19, Mark 13:13, James 5:10,11,
Then U should become familiar with The 4 stages of the Locust army in the book of Joel: thus beginning the One World Religion at the Consumer stage.
The One World Political System in the book of Joel and Revelation 13, and
Very much should be watching for Daniel's vision in book of Daniel chapter 8's spiritual completeness, whereby the horn of the He Goat gets broke, and out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. BOY OL BOY ! come Lord come !
Side note: To have a New World System, the current system gets destroyed, therefore we personally believe that the current world system the (He Goat) Is the U.N . Watch!!!
There is also A (Type of Satan's one world order) in Daniel 3:1 - 3
Hello, I couldn't find Jaszer but Jasher is mentioned in 2Samuel 1:18, & Joshua 10:13 as a book recording those events also.
If you're referring to the book you were reading from when you asked the question, (the website sited) Prayer of Azariah, = Azariah seems to be Daniel 1:6,7,11,19, Daniel 2:17, Daniel 3:12-30, reminder names changed in Daniel 1:6,7,
Also appears to be one returning to help rebuild the wall: Nehemiah 3:24, Nehemiah 7:7, Nehemiah 8:7, also seemingly helping people understand GOD's laws,
I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:
Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,
The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,
Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer
Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,
Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,
Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,
Proverbs 14:34 comes to mind in this chapter. Here we see the beginning of a process which God Himself had "set up" to accomplish His purposes. Mordecai supervised Esther; and told her NOT to reveal that she was a Jew. This affiliation with her people was to have enormous implications that can hardly be overstated; and she later had to be prodded to risk her own life and reveal these things once the plot of Haman was concocted and the King's edict rendered.
Titus 2:3-5 also is relevant here; as is 1 Peter 3:6 among other verses which show God's plan for women to be exalted.
The record of Mordecai of the attempted assault of the two chamberlains showed how the Jews were to be commended for helping with the security of the King; and this record would help the "humble to be exalted" as it were at a later date to vindicate Mordecai. (see ( Matthew 23:12). This attitude of service was repeated with Daniel in exile in Persia under Nebuchadnezzar; and Joseph in Egypt under the Pharaoh. We see a similar pattern as well with a crisis for the whole Jewish nation when the golden idol was set up; and the three men along with Daniel refused to worship it. Daniel himself ignored an edict about praying toward Jerusalem which put him in the lion's den. To be willing to die rather than serve men; Christ (the 4th man in the fire) was exalted and edicts went out that anyone who did NOT honor the God of Israel was to have their houses made into a "dunghill" ( Daniel 3:29). The edict of King Ahasuerus was also a game changer; to bring about God's preservation of His people.
Daniel 1:1-3, as promised in Jeremiah, & other Old Testament books, if Israel didn't turn from : Exodus 22:22, Jeremiah 7:6, Jeremiah 23:3, Zechariah 7:10-14, Isaiah 1:17, warned & warned & warned by GOD through HIS prophets, Malachi 3:5, 2Kings 20:17-18, promised it would happen. Jeremiah 52:26-34,
Daniel 1:4, the children taken capacity,
Daniel 1:5-16, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, & some of Exodus covers the foods that Jewish children were by GOD's Laws not suppose to eat, it was wisdom
Daniel 1:17-21 stood before the king, seems to say they stood by the king in service & advisers.
Daniel 2,
1st let's look at threat Daniel 2:5, if he had made all the young boys eunuchs & Jeremiah 52, would have caused fear.
Daniel 2:1-13, just like Daniel 1:20, shows that king was seeking every type of teaching but they all fail
Daniel 2:14-24, GOD ALMIGHTY is Awesome & amazing!! Psalms 44:22,
Daniel 2:25-26, sad reminder that Daniel was of the captives of Judah, also the king had changed his name. (significantly there are Babylonian records with that name so it's interesting it's noted in Bible)
Daniel 2:27-30 :to GOD be the Glory
Daniel 2:31-45 the dream of the king & interpretation , with much symbolism
Daniel 2:46,48, different later, Daniel tells that king's son, no: Daniel 5:17,
Daniel 2:47 Glory to GOD
Daniel 2:49, interesting note of favor also seen in chapter 1,
Daniel 3, looks like the king misunderstood or took that "gold" interpretation out of context from symbolic "golden head" from dream Daniel 2:31,32,38,
Daniel 3:6 threats again, & rage Daniel 3:13,19,20,21,22,23
Daniel 3:8,12,16,17,18 just like Daniel 1, didn't want to turn from GOD's Laws
Daniel 3:24-27 GOD's amazing deliverance
Daniel 3:28 to GOD be Glory
Yet threats again of brutal violence Daniel 3:29,
Daniel 3:30 promotion again, through obedience to GOD
Daniel 4, told through that king when GOD humbled him,
- "Were the sons of god mentioned in the old testament the ones who went in unto the daughters of men and bred the giants (Nephelim)?"
Yes, see Genesis 6. It is plainly stated in v4. This is why God decides to destroy all flesh except Noah who is perfect (whole) in his gene-rations (DNA?). Also see Genesis 3:15 and notice there will be a serpent's seed and the woman's seed.
- "Now I know that angels cannot breed, so that rules them out."
The Bible says that the angels in HEAVEN are not given in MARRIAGE ( Matthew 22:30 & Mark 12:25). It does not say the angels do not have the ability to rebel (we know they do) and leave heaven to procreate with women on earth. Jude 4 references God punishing angels harshly who left their first estate (heaven) and own habitation. Why? Well, cross reference Genesis 6: they cohabitated or married and bore children with women against God's will. Remember the two seeds in Genesis 3?
- "The men who first began to call upon the name of the lord were called the sons of god. So could you clarify for me?"
Actually, this is a myth about the line of Seth. Genesis 4:25 mentions Seth having a son named Enos and then after that men began to call upon the name of the LORD. The Bible does not call them sons of God. Mankind lost that sonship when Adam sinned. It is only restored after the cross when one receives the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12).
- So who does the Bible refer to as sons of God?:
"sons of God"
Referenced 5 times in the OT & is always a reference to heavenly beings directly created by God.
Referenced 6 times in the NT for the saved who are born of God.
"son of God" in Luke 3:38 is reference to Adam when he was created directly by God.
"Son of God" is references 46 times. 45 times in the NT for the Lord Jesus and once in the OT ( Daniel 3:25) is a reference to the Lord pre-incarnate.
To add to discussion I just recently replied but felt led to add to my post. Just recently in Daniel I believe GOD revealed to me Daniel & his friends may have been, as captives of war made Eunuchs by Nebuchadnezzar- Daniel 1:1-3, Daniel 1:7-9, Daniel 1:10-11, each time it states those who were put over Daniel & his companions that title was given them 'over the Eunuchs' . There is no account of them having children that I've found. Futhermore when Nebuchadnezzar threatened people in his brutal way= Daniel 2:5, Daniel 2:12-13, Daniel 3:28-29, it was probably a very viable threat & intensely reality. Which now not only puts new light on Nebuchadnezzar's threats but his way of thinking.
Recently GOD's been showing me more in these scriptures. Daniel also is the only one that I've found where an angel says was greatly beloved, Daniel 10:11, Daniel 10:19, there seems to be a distinction in this address. GOD knows us & everything thing we have suffered, everything taken from us, even wrongful sterilization. He loves us! Hopefully this is also encouraging in a deep way as it has been to me. Yes I believe GOD addresses people personally & callings differ. Moses, Hosea, Ezekiel are few examples Daniel another. Sometimes HE calls us to do things others have not been called to nor had precedence for. Like Noah. In my life I've been reminded of this scripture more than once [1 Kigs 13:8-10,15,16,17,18,21,22,*24,] 1 Kings 13:1-32, we must obey GOD ALMIGHTY in what HE calls us to do personally.
When I say a distinction the wording is a little Different than Isaiah 48:14, 2 Samuel 2:24, 1 Kings 10:9, Revelations 1:5, Revelations 3:9, John 14:20, Mark 10:21, & even Matthew 3:17 because CHRIST is the SON, THE WAY TRUTH & LIGHT, LIFE. If I had my Exhaustive Concordance at hand, I would study it more fully.
Ps.34:19-Many are the afflictions of the righteous:but the Lord delivers him out of them all.
Acts 14:22-We must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of GOD
The KING of DARKNESS,the Devil, showed to JESUS all the kingdoms of the world,the glory of them,and said:All will I give thee,if thou fall down and worship me.Mat.4:8-9.
Re.13:1&15:
1 I stood upon the sand of the sea(John was a citzen of Israel),and saw a(MAN)Beast rise up out of the sea(Gentile nations),having 7 heads,10 horns, upon his HORNS 10 crowns(CROWNS UPON HORNS?),and upon his heads a NAME of blasphemy.
15 And he-MAN Beast of earth-Re.13:11-a false messiah- John 5:43-47,had power to give life unto the Beast's image,that the image should speak,who worships not the image must be killed.
Daniel 3:2-20
The KING sent to gather the princes,governors,the captains,judges, counsellors,all the rulers of the provinces,to come to the dedication of the image he had set up.They stood before the image and an herald cried:To you is commanded,O people,NATIONS,and languages,that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet,flute, harp,and all kinds of musick,ye fall down and worship the image the king has set up:Whoso falls not down and worships shall be cast into the burning fiery furnace.But Shadrach,Meshach,Abednego,O king, have not regarded thee,they serve not thy gods,nor worship the image you has set up.So in his rage and fury the KING commanded to bring them,and said:Is it true,O Shadrach,Meshach,Abednego,do not ye serve my gods,nor worship the IMAGE I have set up?When you hear the sound of the cornet,all kinds of musick,ye fall down and worship the image I have made;well:if not,ye shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace;who is that GOD that shall deliver you out of my hands?
O king,our GOD whom we serve is able to deliver us from furnace,thy hands,and we will not serve thy gods,nor worship the image you have set up.
That said,Get ready
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,.."
God was not Superman to come as a human being he sent his Son Jesus John 3:16. If Jesus was God he sure is the weakest one I ever read as Jesus can do nothing by himself without the spirit of God his Father in him. John 5:30
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
No man can see God's face at anytime as people will die. Moses can never see God's face and neither can we, we only have the Son of God as an example who God his Father really is. Jesus preached God is a spirit John 4:24. Jesus never said that he was God in the whatever and if so nobody would be able to see his face.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he died and did everything that was written of him to do. The testimony of two m((en)) is true John 8:7 and not one m((an)). God was not Superman to become flesh, it was his Son as all the prophets of old knew that God had a son.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
God never left his throne he sent his Son Jesus and not himself Romans 8:3.
Nineveh and Babylon appear to be two nations that had a wholesale turn toward God; initiated in both cases by the rulers at hand.
Sackcloth and ashes were worn by the King in the first example; along with a mandatory fast. In the second case; it appears that
Nebuchadnezzar may have recognized God's power in his declaration of Daniel 3:29; as to not saying anything against God; but his own personal understanding appears to have come later as predicted in Daniel 4:25. In our nation revivals in the 1700s seemed to eclipse even George Washington's noteriety with individuals like Whitfield and similar things happened in Europe with the Wesleyan revival.
In both cases from scripture we see the ruler being warned about sin; with Jonah it was just a general declaration of judgment to come; with Nebuchadnezzar a direct plea from Daniel in Daniel 4:27 to turn from sin was given. I believe the same thing
happened with a challenge to a President in our country in the 1800s; maybe someone has that information here.
Proverbs 14:34 explains how sin is a reproach to any nation; which is contrasted by righteousness exalting a nation in the first part of the verse. Truly a nation is made up of individuals; hance as someone comes to faith it may change the balance to
forestall judgment for a time. As with nations; individuals also can extend their lives ( 2 Kings 20:6); and the wicked as a
principle will not live out half their days ( Psalm 55:23). Nahum shows how judgment was only forestalled and delayed not averted; and we can read the rest of Jeremiah to see how Babylon fared; with an end time parallel in Revelation 18.
As we see from the above examples; righteous leadership can bring benefits to all; even if not all individuals are actually saved.
The same principle applies with the wheat and the tares in churches. Some only secretly desire worldly comforts or prestige who surround themselves around repentant saints.
From the comment I would say the poker poke is the covid shot.
God bless you
People are dying suddenly now more than ever. Hmm. My prayers are for justice for them and the complicit every day in Jesus' name. Truly that is a precursor to the mark if nothing else. Jeremiah 17:5, "Cursed be the man that putteth his trust in man."
Yet, after writing all that, my main point in this refers to the accuracy of the KJB in Daniel 3:25. Disregarding the kings, even their beliefs, how does the LORD permit 'Son of God' to be written, yet allow 'spirit of the gods' in another passage? And we can't appeal to one king being moved by seeing a fourth being in the furnace (also Daniel 4:8,9), & the other king a non-believer speaking in Daniel 5:14. If the Bible is to reflect the Son & Spirit of God in these passages, then the wording must be consistent & not according to people's beliefs.
You wrote, "These were his gods. That explains why Belshazzar said "the spirit of the gods"". Then if this is true here, then it must be true in Daniel 3:25 (i.e. it should read 'son of the gods', since Nebuchadnezzar exclaimed what he knew at the time, that this being appeared to be a son (or angel) of one of his gods). As well, in Daniel 4:8,9, Nebuchadnezzar should not have then appealed to the 'spirit of his gods' if he believed that it was indeed the 'Son of God' in the furnace. Even if he was unsure about these divine manifestations, at least there should have been consistency with the KJB translators (either, 'Son & Spirit', or 'son & spirit). Here then is the inconsistency which hasn't been properly dealt with. Blessings.
You mentioned here, "Nebuchadnezzar had a son to reign after him who did not know God". In light of what you wrote just before this, is it your assumption that Nebuchadnezzar did know the true God? Maybe I have again misunderstood you, given a verse such as Daniel 2:2. True, after Daniel interpreted the king's dream, the king developed a new understanding of Daniel's God, but in Daniel 2:47, it would be difficult for me to believe that the king rejected all his gods to believe in & serve the True God. I guess this would fall into the category of one's personal interpretation of that passage.
So Daniel 5:14 still remains confusing; as to why the LORD would permit 'the spirit of the gods' to be written here & in Daniel 3:25 He should permit "the Son of God" - regardless of which king was referred to.
I'll now get to your other comment Jimbob.
c. Daniel 5:14. Here you wrote, "That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar." I'm unsure if you are at the same verse here Jimbob. My Bible shows that Nebuchadnezzar had renamed Daniel as Belteshazzar (v12). So when Daniel (Belteshazzar) was brought before Nebuchadnezzar, the king told him, "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee" (v14). My question was, why should God Who inspired His Word, have allowed such a thing to be written? Surely, God Who presumably inspired the KJV translators to write "the Son of God" should have also inspired them to write 'the Spirit of God' & not 'the spirit of the gods'? Therefore, in the Chaldean understanding of those passages, both 'son & spirit' refer to 'their gods' not THE God.
d. In Daniel 2:47, I don't believe that Nebuchadnezzar's belief in the ONE God changed at all. Here in the verse, he admits that Daniel's God was indeed the God of gods and Lord of kings. The king wasn't about to give up on his gods at all but had relented that the demonstrations of Daniel's God showed that this God was above his other gods. At the most, he probably now had a greater respect and fear for the God of Heaven & so gave special license to Daniel & his three companions to worship their God & punishment to those who speaks against Him ( Daniel 3:28,29).
Therefore, to believe that the KJB is a perfect translation direct from God can't be true. No translation ever is, whether of the Bible or any other work. An examination of any Bible translation work will always reveal errors from the original, as any translation from one language to another would. Indeed, God's Word IS preserved 'from this generation forever', but I would always go back to the original writings (whenever some dispute arises in the translations) to find & learn more from that preserved Word & not the translated Word. Every blessing.
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Let me start off by saying that I believe all of God's word is true, so you don't have to ask me anymore if I believe certain verses are true. Yes, 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." The term inspiration of God is one Greek word that means God breathed. All scripture is God breathed. And yes, I agree that all scripture given by inspiration of God would be considered sound doctrine. But what we need to understand is that "sound doctrine" existed long before the King James Bible was written. The KJB didn't give us sound doctrine, we already had sound doctrine!
You say, "The KJB was translated by men who were called holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost ( 2 Pet. 2:19-21) Which has said the same thing for more than 400 years." By the way, it's 2 Peter Chapter 1, not Chapter 2. But again, you are misapplying 2 Peter 1:21. Peter was not referring to the translators of the KJB as the holy men of God. Peter was referring to the prophets of old, the apostles, and a few others who gave us the complete inspired word of God (Completed around 95 AD). God inspired those men to give us the complete word in written form. The KJB is a translation into English of the preserved word of God that already existed. If we apply the words "holy men of God" used 2 Peter 1:21 to the translators of the KJB to show that the KJB is the ONLY pure word of God in existence today, then why wouldn't it apply to other bibles that have the same verse, word for word?
If we're still discussing Daniel 3:25 and trying to figure out which version (KJB/NIV) is sound doctrine, I would say that neither is considered sound doctrine. The book of Daniel is a book of history and prophecy, not doctrine. If we want doctrine, we need to look to Paul's writings (Romans through Philemon).
And I saw your other post, about you leaving on your short holiday to Arizona. Have a safe & lovely time with your friend - I'm sure you would have wanted to have a longer time away. We have friends in Bullhead City, just across from the Nevada border - and we spent some time with them a while ago, before Covid struck, traveling together in that great State. My prayers are with you & your dear husband left on his own. And what a great opportunity you had to minister to that couple who missed their bus - may the Lord take them further in their journey in life, experiencing what great things God can do for them & in them. Blessings.
Likewise, in Daniel 3:25, "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"; in Hebrew, it is 'bar elahin' (son of (the) gods). And particularly in the Book of Daniel, this is not uncommon where Nebuchadnezzar & the Chaldeans are seen referring to 'gods' (i.e. the deities that he believed had divine manifestations): see Daniel 2:11,47; Daniel 4:8,9,18; Daniel 5:11,14.
Therefore, I submit that what we see here in Daniel, are the beliefs that the king had in respect to deities. Not only to the 'gods' but also to the 'spirit of the gods' & the 'son of the gods'. In these portions, these are not God's Words related to us, but Nebuchadnezzar's & they must reflect his belief & understanding. But when we get to Daniel 3:28, we read that Nebuchadnezzar at last realized that this wasn't a 'son of the gods', in the furnace, but that the One & True God (the God of Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego) had sent His angel to deliver these faithful men.
Now the question: was this angel indeed the pre-incarnate Jesus, or were the translators exercising some liberty to show that it was the Son of God? I believe that the NIV & other translations are correct here as both the Hebrew & the context of Nebuchadnezzar's beliefs & words portray what he saw in the furnace as 'one sent from the deities'. If we then choose to read that Jesus was present there & not an angel, then that belief must be a personal choice.
Are you seriously asking me if I believe Psalm 12:6-7 is true? Well, I must say that I am humored by that question. I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to answer that one. I said that I didn't agree with Daniel 3:25, but unless I specifically said anything about it being sound doctrine, please do not tell me what I think because you have no idea what I think.
Jimbob, I have never once said that I doubt the KJB is the True Word of God. That is an assumption on your part, and a poor one at that! In fact, I've said that the KJB is the only Bible I own, the one I read and study from, and my Bible of choice, so your assumption falls completely flat!
I'll answer one more question, and then I am done with this conversation. You ask me how can I possibly know that God didn't use King James like God used so many others to fulfill His Word?
I have no way of knowing that, just the same as you have no way of knowing that He did. So where does that leave us? Should we just make assumptions?
Jimbob, if it makes you feel any better, I have no plans on trading in my King James Bible. But if you are wanting me to believe that "ALL" modern versions are corrupt, I need something more solid as proof, not just telling me they are all corrupt.
There are a few other "modern" versions that I find to be very solid. There is no reason for me to list them since your mind is already made up that they are all corrupt!
If you're not angry with me yet, I would like your thoughts on the Geneva Bible.
Jimbob, I do wish you well. You seem a little too extreme for me, but that's okay. I admire your zeal.
May the Lord continue to bless you, and may you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Good night!
You are not suggesting that I do not trust God and believe His Word, are you? You already know that I read and study from the same Bible you do, and I have already stated that I am not defending the NIV (nor condemning), so as far as Daniel 3:25 (NIV) is concerned, I don't feel that I need to explain anything to you concerning that verse. However, I will say that I don't agree with it.
I would like to know why you chose the NIV specifically to go after if you believe all modern English translations are corrupt? (I have my suspicion) but would like your honest answer to that. Also, there are several other modern English translations out there, which one will you go after next? Not trying to be offensive, just curious.
If you don't mind answering why you failed to mention those NIV verses I presented to you, I would truly appreciate it.
Also, you brought up Luke 4:4 (KJB), and said that the NIV left out "but by every word of God." Have you considered the fact that Matthew 4:4 (NIV) says, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
I do agree that God said He would preserve His word forever. The book of Revelation was completed around 95 AD. Did we not have the complete inspired word of God with the completion of Revelation?
If so, at what point between 95 AD and 1611 AD was God's word no longer preserved and required a new English Bible to be written?
And the "holy men of God" that God inspired were Moses, the Prophets, the Apostles, and a few others (not the translators of the KJB).
God inspired and commissioned those holy men who gave us His inspired word. The KJV translators were commissioned by King James himself.
Blessings to you also, Jimbob!
The KJB.
( Daniel. 3:25)
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
(The KJB says the form of the fourth is like the ((Son of God)) The Son of God IS Jesus Christ!!
The Niv
Daniel 3:25 in the Niv says:
"He said, Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods".
(The Niv says the fourth looks like ((a son of the gods)) A son of the gods? a small s, and small g.
( 2 Tim. 3:16) Tells us "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
(Do you think the True inspired Word of God would say "the fourth looks like ((a son of the gods))"?)
(Which verse would you think would be profitable for doctrine?)
(Which of those verses could be used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?)
The Words of the LORD are pure Words. ( Ps. 12:6-7)
Would Gods pure inspired Words say Jesus Christ looks like a ((son of the gods))? NO THEY WOULD NOT!!
Would Gods pure inspired Words say "the form of the fourth is like the ((Son of God))? YES!
The KJB is the inspired Word of God.
The KJB says in ( Jeremiah. 23:36) "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God" The word (perverted) is #2015; it means to turn about or over, by implying to change, overturn, pervert, change.
This verse tells us the word (perverted) means to CHANGE. When using the KJB we have the option of looking the word (perverted) up in the Original language to see that it means ((to change)) that is exactly what the Niv did, they changed the words of the living God, which is perverting the pure Words of God.
The Niv Jer. 23:36 Says "and so you (distort) the words of the living God" We cant look the word (distort) up to get the True meaning in the Original language!
Looking up Matthew 18:18, in word breakdown in Strongs Exhaustive Concordance reference at bottom of page, "bind" translated 'deo' can mean pledge, marriage, or be in bonds, = Luke 13:16, context Luke 13, "loosed" translated 'luo' = break, destroy, dissolve, divorce
both scriptures same words, in Greek.
In the Old Testament, Daniel 3:5, "loose" translated 'shre' = to free, separate, unravel ( Thayer's Greek Lexicon a reference also in site, I use for comparison)
James 1:5,
Hopefully helpful in your study
You are right, this is hard to understand so we need not be dogmatic but humble. The sons of God are in the OT only 5 times Gen. 6:2, 5 Job 1:6 Job 2:6 Job 38:7, and Daniel 3:25. The times in Job and Daniel are clearly angelic beings, so how do we take the meaning in Gen. 6. It says, "when the sons of God saw daughters of men", The Hebrew word for men here is h-'-m/adam meaning mankind. So, is this distinguishing a difference in the sons of adam/men?
There are words that we may overlook, "and also after that". We see giants/Nephilim after the flood. 2 Sam. 21:16 Joshua 12:4 Num. 13:33 Deut. 2:19-21 Deut. 20:17 Amos 2:9 and more. Are there any NT scriptures that speak to this?
2 Peter 2:4-6 and Jude 1:6-7 both are talking about angels who sinned and "which kept not their first estate but left their own habitation", the Greek word is used only two times translated habitation is oiktrion, the other place was in 2 Cor 5:2 the word house. Peter and Jude both compare what these angels did the same as in Sodom and Gomorrah, strange flesh.
There are fallen angels along with Satan who are active on the earth today and still have access to heaven, but these angels did something even worse because God made an example of them and locked them in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit, until judgment. I do not know of any man in the OT who was ever called or referred to as son of God, I may have overlooked it, but my understanding is Nephilim came from these angels that God locked up.
God bless,
RLW
Chris gave a good answer, I'd like to add to the discussion. Please note the verse right before, Jeremiah 29:11, Jeremiah 29:10, sometimes we want GOD to change our situations "right now", sometimes HE does, but I believe this promise, is for GOD's people when we need the encouragement for the troubled times & endurance in longer seasons. Notice in Daniel, he & his companions had went through many difficult moments but GOD in miraculous ways delivered them, protected them & even encouraged them. I believe it was after Daniel was thrown in the lions den that he fasted & humbly prayed about the promise made in Jeremiah 29:10,11, Daniel 9:1,2,3, still waiting on that promise of 70 years,
note Daniel 6:1,2,3, (for why I place the timing, seemingly after lions den) the noted scriptures referring to about Daniel's encouragement, & companions, some say "the greater the trial the greater the miraculous": Daniel 1:8,9,17, Daniel 2:12,13,17,23 Daniel 3:12-27, Daniel 4:19,24,25, Daniel 5, Daniel 6:7,10,16,22,28, Daniel 9:23, Daniel 10:11,12,18, Daniel 11:1,
Luke 10:19, there are moments that are painful but when we look at Salvation, the pruning, witness to strengthen the Body of Believers, then we realize it didn't "hurt us".
I hope these scriptures give you strength & hope= 1Peter 4:12,13, 2Corinthians 1:3-7, John 15:1-2, 1Corinthians 4:5, 2Corinthians 3:2, Zechariah 13:9, Malachi 3:3, 2Timothy 2:10, Psalms 30:5,
In correction= Isaiah 48:10,11, Malachi 3:2, Proverbs 3:11-35, Hebrews 12:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4,
Endure even undue trials= 2Timothy 2:3, 2Timothy 4:5, remember Timothy was with Paul in ministry during persecution. 1Peter 2:19, Mark 13:13, James 5:10,11,
James 5:13-18, 2Chronicles 7:14,
Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging
The One World Political System in the book of Joel and Revelation 13, and
Very much should be watching for Daniel's vision in book of Daniel chapter 8's spiritual completeness, whereby the horn of the He Goat gets broke, and out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. BOY OL BOY ! come Lord come !
Side note: To have a New World System, the current system gets destroyed, therefore we personally believe that the current world system the (He Goat) Is the U.N . Watch!!!
There is also A (Type of Satan's one world order) in Daniel 3:1 - 3
Hello, I couldn't find Jaszer but Jasher is mentioned in 2Samuel 1:18, & Joshua 10:13 as a book recording those events also.
If you're referring to the book you were reading from when you asked the question, (the website sited) Prayer of Azariah, = Azariah seems to be Daniel 1:6,7,11,19, Daniel 2:17, Daniel 3:12-30, reminder names changed in Daniel 1:6,7,
Also appears to be one returning to help rebuild the wall: Nehemiah 3:24, Nehemiah 7:7, Nehemiah 8:7, also seemingly helping people understand GOD's laws,
Hopefully these are helpful
Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,
The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,
Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer
Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,
Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,
Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,
Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,
Hopefully this is helpful
Titus 2:3-5 also is relevant here; as is 1 Peter 3:6 among other verses which show God's plan for women to be exalted.
The record of Mordecai of the attempted assault of the two chamberlains showed how the Jews were to be commended for helping with the security of the King; and this record would help the "humble to be exalted" as it were at a later date to vindicate Mordecai. (see ( Matthew 23:12). This attitude of service was repeated with Daniel in exile in Persia under Nebuchadnezzar; and Joseph in Egypt under the Pharaoh. We see a similar pattern as well with a crisis for the whole Jewish nation when the golden idol was set up; and the three men along with Daniel refused to worship it. Daniel himself ignored an edict about praying toward Jerusalem which put him in the lion's den. To be willing to die rather than serve men; Christ (the 4th man in the fire) was exalted and edicts went out that anyone who did NOT honor the God of Israel was to have their houses made into a "dunghill" ( Daniel 3:29). The edict of King Ahasuerus was also a game changer; to bring about God's preservation of His people.
Daniel 1:4, the children taken capacity,
Daniel 1:5-16, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, & some of Exodus covers the foods that Jewish children were by GOD's Laws not suppose to eat, it was wisdom
Daniel 1:17-21 stood before the king, seems to say they stood by the king in service & advisers.
Daniel 2,
1st let's look at threat Daniel 2:5, if he had made all the young boys eunuchs & Jeremiah 52, would have caused fear.
Daniel 2:1-13, just like Daniel 1:20, shows that king was seeking every type of teaching but they all fail
Daniel 2:14-24, GOD ALMIGHTY is Awesome & amazing!! Psalms 44:22,
Daniel 2:25-26, sad reminder that Daniel was of the captives of Judah, also the king had changed his name. (significantly there are Babylonian records with that name so it's interesting it's noted in Bible)
Daniel 2:27-30 :to GOD be the Glory
Daniel 2:31-45 the dream of the king & interpretation , with much symbolism
Daniel 2:46,48, different later, Daniel tells that king's son, no: Daniel 5:17,
Daniel 2:47 Glory to GOD
Daniel 2:49, interesting note of favor also seen in chapter 1,
Daniel 3, looks like the king misunderstood or took that "gold" interpretation out of context from symbolic "golden head" from dream Daniel 2:31,32,38,
Daniel 3:6 threats again, & rage Daniel 3:13,19,20,21,22,23
Daniel 3:8,12,16,17,18 just like Daniel 1, didn't want to turn from GOD's Laws
Daniel 3:24-27 GOD's amazing deliverance
Daniel 3:28 to GOD be Glory
Yet threats again of brutal violence Daniel 3:29,
Daniel 3:30 promotion again, through obedience to GOD
Daniel 4, told through that king when GOD humbled him,
Daniel 4:18,19, used name he gave Daniel
Yes, see Genesis 6. It is plainly stated in v4. This is why God decides to destroy all flesh except Noah who is perfect (whole) in his gene-rations (DNA?). Also see Genesis 3:15 and notice there will be a serpent's seed and the woman's seed.
- "Now I know that angels cannot breed, so that rules them out."
The Bible says that the angels in HEAVEN are not given in MARRIAGE ( Matthew 22:30 & Mark 12:25). It does not say the angels do not have the ability to rebel (we know they do) and leave heaven to procreate with women on earth. Jude 4 references God punishing angels harshly who left their first estate (heaven) and own habitation. Why? Well, cross reference Genesis 6: they cohabitated or married and bore children with women against God's will. Remember the two seeds in Genesis 3?
- "The men who first began to call upon the name of the lord were called the sons of god. So could you clarify for me?"
Actually, this is a myth about the line of Seth. Genesis 4:25 mentions Seth having a son named Enos and then after that men began to call upon the name of the LORD. The Bible does not call them sons of God. Mankind lost that sonship when Adam sinned. It is only restored after the cross when one receives the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12).
- So who does the Bible refer to as sons of God?:
"sons of God"
Referenced 5 times in the OT & is always a reference to heavenly beings directly created by God.
Referenced 6 times in the NT for the saved who are born of God.
"son of God" in Luke 3:38 is reference to Adam when he was created directly by God.
"Son of God" is references 46 times. 45 times in the NT for the Lord Jesus and once in the OT ( Daniel 3:25) is a reference to the Lord pre-incarnate.
Recently GOD's been showing me more in these scriptures. Daniel also is the only one that I've found where an angel says was greatly beloved, Daniel 10:11, Daniel 10:19, there seems to be a distinction in this address. GOD knows us & everything thing we have suffered, everything taken from us, even wrongful sterilization. He loves us! Hopefully this is also encouraging in a deep way as it has been to me. Yes I believe GOD addresses people personally & callings differ. Moses, Hosea, Ezekiel are few examples Daniel another. Sometimes HE calls us to do things others have not been called to nor had precedence for. Like Noah. In my life I've been reminded of this scripture more than once [1 Kigs 13:8-10,15,16,17,18,21,22,*24,] 1 Kings 13:1-32, we must obey GOD ALMIGHTY in what HE calls us to do personally.
When I say a distinction the wording is a little Different than Isaiah 48:14, 2 Samuel 2:24, 1 Kings 10:9, Revelations 1:5, Revelations 3:9, John 14:20, Mark 10:21, & even Matthew 3:17 because CHRIST is the SON, THE WAY TRUTH & LIGHT, LIFE. If I had my Exhaustive Concordance at hand, I would study it more fully.