Ok Jema, I will venture to answer your two questions as simply as I can.
a. Isaiah 13:12: "I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir." As you no doubt have read through Isaiah & now here from chapter 13, Isaiah prophesies against various nations (chapters 13 to 23). Here in chapter 13, it is against Babylon, where the promise is that God will call His 'separated' ones, His 'mighty' ones to "destroy the whole land"; and this happened when the Medes/Persians overthrew Babylon in 539 BC (also in Daniel 5:30,31). This army came from a far country (over 500 miles east of Babylon). As in the destruction of Babylon, so will it be in the Day of the LORD where the intensity of the destruction is described in Revelation 6:12,13. In both scenarios, the loss of mankind will be so great, God says, "I will make man more precious than fine gold...". This verse speaks of the scarcity of men (including women), that to find even one during those days (of Babylon's destruction & the Lord's coming vengeance) would be of greater discovery & value than finding gold.
b. Colossians 3:10: "And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him." I think your question is centered on the last part of this verse. The apostle had just written about 'putting off the old man with his deeds'. But having 'put it off', we must now "put on the new man". The two cannot happily co-exist - it's one or tother before God. And this activity is not a one time act - it is on-going. Here, this renewing is through knowledge (see Ephesians 4:24, where God creates this new man "in righteousness and true holiness"). As we grow in knowledge of God & His blessed Son, we become more like Him (His Image), just as ADAM was CREATED in God's Image. After the fall, that Image was severely marred. But "in Christ" & the Spirit's Work in us, that Image is being gradually restored - if we let His Work continue in us.
Jema, I'm so glad with your kind reply, thank you brother/sister(?), your nickname doesn't reveal it).
However, I think I was misunderstood face my defense of the accusations saying I feel myself superior, and I bellit GOD's people by heavy and not soft Judgments, as many examples of Judgment recorded in the Word of GOD. In fact, the Word is GOD and Judges us, He weigheth the spirits in the balances- Proverbs 16:2 & Daniel 5:27.
By the way, "Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"- 1Corinthians 13:4-9).
In the other hand, what does the Word of GOD say? Hebrews 12:3-4&6-9
3 Consider Him that endured contradictions of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, GOD dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Yes David0921, I also believe that "we can never come to an agreement on many many very important doctrines in the Bible", simply because our beliefs don't align with how the Bible was written & given to us. If "God is indeed the AUTHOR of the entire Bible..every word, phrase...from the mouth of God", then I would think that I wouldn't understand a word of it. But God used human men charged with His Spirit to communicate His Word to us for our benefit. And this goes even further away from the original Voice & Word of God, when that first delivery has since been translated into a variety of languages using a variety of texts from a variety of sources. So is God's Word that you read today in the KJB, exactly the same as what God spoke? It can never be, but its Truths, manner of human involvement & Divine help with their memory & subsequent translations, can provide us as close as possible to God's actual Voice. If we should believe that the KJB (or any translation) is the product of what God said verbatim, I believe that any check (if it were at all possible), would highlight the differences. Truth is retained - but not to the point of exact, word-for-word delivery.
The only two instances I can recall (there may be others), where we see the Finger of God at work, are in Exodus 31:18 & Daniel 5:5,24-28. Of course, we know of many instances where those like Abraham, Moses, Jacob, & others heard directly from God & recorded what they heard. Unless they were writing all things down as they were hearing from God, there will always be some differences in words used, sentence construction, etc., alongwith the many copies, fragments, translations, and so on. This, in my mind, in no way alters what God has to say to us & what we have in our hands is what God wants us to read. But to believe that every jot & tittle is exactly the same as given, is too far-fetched for me.
Yet, after writing all that, my main point in this refers to the accuracy of the KJB in Daniel 3:25. Disregarding the kings, even their beliefs, how does the LORD permit 'Son of God' to be written, yet allow 'spirit of the gods' in another passage? And we can't appeal to one king being moved by seeing a fourth being in the furnace (also Daniel 4:8,9), & the other king a non-believer speaking in Daniel 5:14. If the Bible is to reflect the Son & Spirit of God in these passages, then the wording must be consistent & not according to people's beliefs.
You wrote, "These were his gods. That explains why Belshazzar said "the spirit of the gods"". Then if this is true here, then it must be true in Daniel 3:25 (i.e. it should read 'son of the gods', since Nebuchadnezzar exclaimed what he knew at the time, that this being appeared to be a son (or angel) of one of his gods). As well, in Daniel 4:8,9, Nebuchadnezzar should not have then appealed to the 'spirit of his gods' if he believed that it was indeed the 'Son of God' in the furnace. Even if he was unsure about these divine manifestations, at least there should have been consistency with the KJB translators (either, 'Son & Spirit', or 'son & spirit). Here then is the inconsistency which hasn't been properly dealt with. Blessings.
Thanks Jimbob. Now I see what you're referring to here. You're speaking of Belshazzar, the son (some indicate, grandson) of Nebuchadnezzar (I had written Nebuchadnezzar incorrectly) & particularly in relation to Daniel 5:14. Yet, Belteshazzar was the name that Nebuchadnezzar gave to Daniel (I believe that you agree with this).
You mentioned here, "Nebuchadnezzar had a son to reign after him who did not know God". In light of what you wrote just before this, is it your assumption that Nebuchadnezzar did know the true God? Maybe I have again misunderstood you, given a verse such as Daniel 2:2. True, after Daniel interpreted the king's dream, the king developed a new understanding of Daniel's God, but in Daniel 2:47, it would be difficult for me to believe that the king rejected all his gods to believe in & serve the True God. I guess this would fall into the category of one's personal interpretation of that passage.
So Daniel 5:14 still remains confusing; as to why the LORD would permit 'the spirit of the gods' to be written here & in Daniel 3:25 He should permit "the Son of God" - regardless of which king was referred to.
c. Daniel 5:14. Here you wrote, "That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar." I'm unsure if you are at the same verse here Jimbob. My Bible shows that Nebuchadnezzar had renamed Daniel as Belteshazzar (v12). So when Daniel (Belteshazzar) was brought before Nebuchadnezzar, the king told him, "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee" (v14). My question was, why should God Who inspired His Word, have allowed such a thing to be written? Surely, God Who presumably inspired the KJV translators to write "the Son of God" should have also inspired them to write 'the Spirit of God' & not 'the spirit of the gods'? Therefore, in the Chaldean understanding of those passages, both 'son & spirit' refer to 'their gods' not THE God.
d. In Daniel 2:47, I don't believe that Nebuchadnezzar's belief in the ONE God changed at all. Here in the verse, he admits that Daniel's God was indeed the God of gods and Lord of kings. The king wasn't about to give up on his gods at all but had relented that the demonstrations of Daniel's God showed that this God was above his other gods. At the most, he probably now had a greater respect and fear for the God of Heaven & so gave special license to Daniel & his three companions to worship their God & punishment to those who speaks against Him ( Daniel 3:28,29).
Therefore, to believe that the KJB is a perfect translation direct from God can't be true. No translation ever is, whether of the Bible or any other work. An examination of any Bible translation work will always reveal errors from the original, as any translation from one language to another would. Indeed, God's Word IS preserved 'from this generation forever', but I would always go back to the original writings (whenever some dispute arises in the translations) to find & learn more from that preserved Word & not the translated Word. Every blessing.
Hello Jimbob. If I might slip a spanner in the works here in regard to Daniel 3:25: would you consider Daniel 5:14 please? "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee." My question to you is: does this verse trouble you some? Should not the LORD God have allowed "the SPIRIT of God" be written here in the KJB? Yet in Hebrew, it is 'ruah elahin' (spirit of (the) gods).
Likewise, in Daniel 3:25, "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"; in Hebrew, it is 'bar elahin' (son of (the) gods). And particularly in the Book of Daniel, this is not uncommon where Nebuchadnezzar & the Chaldeans are seen referring to 'gods' (i.e. the deities that he believed had divine manifestations): see Daniel 2:11,47; Daniel 4:8,9,18; Daniel 5:11,14.
Therefore, I submit that what we see here in Daniel, are the beliefs that the king had in respect to deities. Not only to the 'gods' but also to the 'spirit of the gods' & the 'son of the gods'. In these portions, these are not God's Words related to us, but Nebuchadnezzar's & they must reflect his belief & understanding. But when we get to Daniel 3:28, we read that Nebuchadnezzar at last realized that this wasn't a 'son of the gods', in the furnace, but that the One & True God (the God of Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego) had sent His angel to deliver these faithful men.
Now the question: was this angel indeed the pre-incarnate Jesus, or were the translators exercising some liberty to show that it was the Son of God? I believe that the NIV & other translations are correct here as both the Hebrew & the context of Nebuchadnezzar's beliefs & words portray what he saw in the furnace as 'one sent from the deities'. If we then choose to read that Jesus was present there & not an angel, then that belief must be a personal choice.
Interestingly the Bible many times records things not with years & dates. It's actually genius because rulers have changed calendars multiple times, even the Hebrew "Jewish" calendar, but when records say as Haggai 1:1 "in the second year of king Darius' historical documents will still be reliable & relatable. Please see: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 11:1, Daniel 6, Ezra 4:5,24, Please note the significance of the 2nd year of Darius. The work on the house of GOD stopped until "the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia" Ezra 5:5,6,7, Ezra 6:1,12,13,14,15, here in Ezra 6:14, it even references Haggai, & Zechariah, Zechariah 1, again "the second year of Darius"
Part 2= the Word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet= GOD spoke to Haggai. A prophet = Numbers 12:6, Deuteronomy 18:15,18, Jeremiah 28:9,
Part 3: after GOD spoke to Haggai; Haggai then spoke the 'word' to Zerubbabel & Joshua.
The Bible many times will direct a prophet to specific people like Nathan to King David: 2Samuel 12:1,
Part 4: Many times the Bible will clarify by lineage who someone is because names are common. So "Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest" is clearly not mistaken for Joshua from the Book of Joshua. Also positions are clarified for I believe the same reason. Also see Nehemiah 12:22,
5th part, then it reads._.._"saying" It's now going to specify what GOD spoke, in the verses to follow._._
That's an interesting interpretation & changing of 'Mene, mene' to be, 'many, many'. Unfortunately, the word 'Mene' (given twice) is a basic standard of weight (called, mina) & can't be considered to be 'many'. So in Daniel 5:25, Daniel gives the interpretation of that word to be, "God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it"; & this means that God has used His Own Standards against the Babylonian Kingdom.
Yes, the King did die that night, but not because of poison as everything that went into his mouth was first tested by one of his servants. He died as a result of God's pronouncement against him. There's been no evidence to date that the vaccine contains poison, or else 'many, many' people would have died by now, including me.
Im just a hillbilly learning the bible but I think this interpretation is " many many take poison."
I just think God showed this to me. The king died that night. It does not say how. I think it was poison and I think the verse is talking about today and the vaccine.
Continued : the cruel things that made the king's threats feared also include 2Kings 25:7-9, 2Chronicles 36:6
That king apparently named his son & Daniel the same referenced from Daniel 1,
Daniel 5, this next king appears to be the son of the king mentioned in Daniel 1,2,3,4, please note: Daniel 5:2,10,11,18,
Daniel 5:1-21,
Important Daniel 5:22,
Daniel 5:23,
Daniel 5:24-30,
Also prophecy fulfilled, about Babylon's defeat,
References to the treasure taken 2Kings 25:13-17, 2Chronicles 36:7,10,18, & other places in scripture
Daniel 6, Daniel lives through another king, supernaturally
Daniel 7, & 8, Daniel has a dream & visions, that are referred to as prophecy,
Both Daniel 7 & 8, take place during Daniel 5, or beforehand, while that same king was in rule.
Daniel 9, is during reign of Darius, note: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 9:1,
Daniel 9:2, the prophecy of punishment for Israel was at time of completion
Daniel 9:3-19, Daniel humbled himself
Daniel 9:20-27, divine intervention also prophecy explained
Daniel 9:24-26 Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH,
Daniel 10,11, & 12 continue, Daniel 10, Cyrus king, another divine intervention & prophecy followed by Daniel fasting & prayer
Please notice Daniel 10:10-14, Daniel 10:18-21 continues through Daniel 11:1, he also strengthened Darius, note how it starts as a finishing thought & Darius was the king that was tricked into throwing Daniel into the lions, Daniel 6, distressed, alienated possibly then was he supernaturally confirmed & strengthened.
Daniel 11:2-45 continues prophecy from previous, into Daniel 12, all three chapters are following through.
Daniel 1:1-3, as promised in Jeremiah, & other Old Testament books, if Israel didn't turn from : Exodus 22:22, Jeremiah 7:6, Jeremiah 23:3, Zechariah 7:10-14, Isaiah 1:17, warned & warned & warned by GOD through HIS prophets, Malachi 3:5, 2Kings 20:17-18, promised it would happen. Jeremiah 52:26-34,
Daniel 1:4, the children taken capacity,
Daniel 1:5-16, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, & some of Exodus covers the foods that Jewish children were by GOD's Laws not suppose to eat, it was wisdom
Daniel 1:17-21 stood before the king, seems to say they stood by the king in service & advisers.
Daniel 2,
1st let's look at threat Daniel 2:5, if he had made all the young boys eunuchs & Jeremiah 52, would have caused fear.
Daniel 2:1-13, just like Daniel 1:20, shows that king was seeking every type of teaching but they all fail
Daniel 2:14-24, GOD ALMIGHTY is Awesome & amazing!! Psalms 44:22,
Daniel 2:25-26, sad reminder that Daniel was of the captives of Judah, also the king had changed his name. (significantly there are Babylonian records with that name so it's interesting it's noted in Bible)
Daniel 2:27-30 :to GOD be the Glory
Daniel 2:31-45 the dream of the king & interpretation , with much symbolism
Daniel 2:46,48, different later, Daniel tells that king's son, no: Daniel 5:17,
Daniel 2:47 Glory to GOD
Daniel 2:49, interesting note of favor also seen in chapter 1,
Daniel 3, looks like the king misunderstood or took that "gold" interpretation out of context from symbolic "golden head" from dream Daniel 2:31,32,38,
Daniel 3:6 threats again, & rage Daniel 3:13,19,20,21,22,23
Daniel 3:8,12,16,17,18 just like Daniel 1, didn't want to turn from GOD's Laws
Daniel 3:24-27 GOD's amazing deliverance
Daniel 3:28 to GOD be Glory
Yet threats again of brutal violence Daniel 3:29,
Daniel 3:30 promotion again, through obedience to GOD
Daniel 4, told through that king when GOD humbled him,
Children, we are deep into Rev 17 with the US & Russia one upping each other. It will escalate into a regional ME attack, Rev 6:14, and only get worse from there.
God's promise to David, that he would never lack a man sitting on his throne, 1 Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, will be revoked, and the stars from heaven will fall to earth like missiles. Daniel 5:25 is upon us.
"Russia threatens to target 'sensitive' US assets as part of a 'strong' and 'painful' response to sanctions" - Business Insider
I was just thinking about how much the Bible has influenced society and culture. Many phrases from movies, songs, people, places, and expressions originate from the Bible. So, I thought I'd list the ones I know of.
"Writing on the wall" from Daniel 5:5. I've heard this in many song lyrics, like Sam Smith, Ted Nugent
Lick (or bite) the dust?, Psalms 72:9. Queen?
These phrases I've heard various places in songs and TV, but can't think of where currently:
Skin of my teeth, Job 19:20.
Love of money is root of evil. 1 Timothy 6:10
Pride before a fall? Proverbs 16:18
A time for... Ecclesiastes 3. The Byrds - Turn! Turn! Turn!
If we're just going by what is written in this Biblical translation, it appears the chronological order is Daniel 1 being account of capture & being taught in the ways of the "Chaldeans". I likewise was studying Daniel recently & found interesting how the books are like that.
Daniel 1:1, Daniel 2:1, dates of significant recognition. 2 Kings 24:1-2,
Historical insight 2 Kings 24:3-16, this appears to be the time that brought Daniel & his friends into that place of capacity. Note they left the poor in the land 2 Kings 24:14,17,18 which may explain the historical reference mentioned by other comment. 2 Kings 25:8-12,
Stated 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar._._.
Please note Daniel 4:6-9,18, Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged Daniel as "knowing the spirit of the holy" GOD was in him, therefore it shows Chpt 4 being after the first interpretation. Daniel 4:29, Daniel 4:23,
Daniel 5:11, Daniel 5:20-22, Daniel 5:31, Daniel 6:28,
Please note Daniel 7:1 it goes back to time of Daniel 5. Daniel 4, to Daniel 2, In some ways, not in the same vision but the statement in Daniel 2:47, So consistantly Daniel jumps back into moments within previous Chapters to add additional situations within those time frames
Daniel 1:20, chapter 2, could also explain this statement of why Daniel 1:20, states that.
Daniel 5:25 And this is the writing that was written,Mene,Mene,Tekel,UPHARISIN26 Mene God has numbered thy kingdom and finished it.27:Tekel;Thou art found in the balances and found wanting.28: PERES;The kingdom is divided and given to the persians ,and Medes.A paradine of all the kingdoms that have come ,and gone,in history?The enemey seems to be pride the deadly sin that leads to so many more.
My answer would be that the born-again will still experience physical death, but never spiritual death. We are all born into this world spiritually dead and because of sin, we are separated from God. It is not until a person surrenders their life to Christ that they are made spiritually alive. At the point of salvation, we are made spiritually alive, never again to be separated from God. The death that a true believer (one who has been born of God's Spirit) will never experience is what the bible refers to as the second death. So the answer to your question would be yes and no. Yes, we as born again believers will experience physical death (Unless of course the Lord comes in our lifetime), and no, we will not experience the second death, spiritual death (Eternal separation from Christ), because we have been made alive in Christ. He is our seal. He is eternal. He lives in us. He will never leave us. So if I say I have eternal life, I am in essence saying that I have the eternal one, Christ living in me. I will always have Christ in me, and since He is eternal, I have eternal life, I have Christ. Would you like for me to share my understanding of the verses you listed?
Jesse When it comes to scripture I endeavor not to assume, with Elijah it says he was taken up to heaven which is biblically anyplace above earth Genesis I.E. Firmament, so why couldn't God transport Him from one place on earth to another, also Elisha begged them not to look for Him because he knew they would never find him. It doesn't say scripturally that either Enoch or Elisha never physically died that would contradict scripture because there will be no corruption in the new heaven and earth. Also as Paul said it corruption cannot inherit incorruption. I know many believers who believe this, just saying. What I don't get is Gods Word says there will be a resurrection of the body of Christ and a resurrection of the just and unjust which covers everyone else so other than Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead permanently why would anyone else until the times stated biblically.
Yes, I agree. Faith is a word that describes what God does. The bible tells us that faith is a fruit of God's Spirit. The faith that the bible speaks of can only be produced by God's Spirit. We cannot produce spiritual faith, only human faith. The word faith literally means persuasion. But there are two types of faith, human faith, and spiritual faith. We either persuade ourselves (human faith), or we submit to the persuasion of God's Spirit persuading us and moving us to do something (Spiritual faith). When we submit to the persuasion of God's Spirit working in our lives, that's the faith God sees and rewards. I like to describe faith as the presence and activity of God's Spirit in a believer's life. When God's Spirit persuades us, that's faith. Have a blessed day!
Enoch (Hebrew: meaning "initiated") is a name in the Hebrew Bible used by two separate figures who lived during the generation of Adam.
The first Enoch was the son of Cain.
He is described as a son of Cain, and father of Irad. After Cain arrived in the Land of Nod, to which he was evicted by the Lord as his punishment for murdering his brother Abel. His wife became pregnant and bore Cain's first child, whom he named Enoch.
The SECOND Enoch was a descendant of SETH, the third son of Adam, and great-grandfather of NOAH ( Genesis 5:22-29). Seth is the bloodline of Jesus Christ ancestors and Must Not be Confused with Cains ancestor.
I'll have to take another look at that chapter. I know you mention context, but I still cannot see how Enoch would be included with those in chapter 13, especially when chapter 5 says that God transferred him and that he would not see death. What are your thoughts on the phrase "he was not found." To me, if he died a normal physical death, they would have known where his body was. It is my belief that both Enoch and Elijah never experienced physical death and that God took both of them prior to experiencing death. You are the first believer that I've talked to that says Enoch died a normal physical death. What are your thoughts on Elijah? Did Hod take him before he experienced death?
Hi Jesse I noted that you state Enoch did not die but according to hebrews 11: 13 in the context it says these all died in in faith and that includes Enoch. Just an observation.
Are you looking for the meaning of the word translated? If so, it literally means transferred. By faith, Enoch was transferred that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transferred him: for before he was transferred he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
This is a perfect example of the application of these two types of faith, human, and spiritual. I have yet to hear any of the "human faith" teachers, which are numerous and many, say "You know, if you had enough faith, you wouldn't have to die, you'd just get transferred up into heaven. Nobody'd done that one yet!
It was by faith that Enoch was transferred because God transferred him. Faith is the name of the entire process in which Enoch was taken up into heaven. It is a word that describes what God did to Enoch. It wasn't that Enoch was here on the earth, and reached a point in his relationship with God that he had so much faith that he believed that he could be transferred up into heaven and not die, that God says "I'm pleased with that, so I think I will bring you up here." It's a word that describes what God did. The principle of faith is given in Hebrews 11:6.
a. Isaiah 13:12: "I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir." As you no doubt have read through Isaiah & now here from chapter 13, Isaiah prophesies against various nations (chapters 13 to 23). Here in chapter 13, it is against Babylon, where the promise is that God will call His 'separated' ones, His 'mighty' ones to "destroy the whole land"; and this happened when the Medes/Persians overthrew Babylon in 539 BC (also in Daniel 5:30,31). This army came from a far country (over 500 miles east of Babylon). As in the destruction of Babylon, so will it be in the Day of the LORD where the intensity of the destruction is described in Revelation 6:12,13. In both scenarios, the loss of mankind will be so great, God says, "I will make man more precious than fine gold...". This verse speaks of the scarcity of men (including women), that to find even one during those days (of Babylon's destruction & the Lord's coming vengeance) would be of greater discovery & value than finding gold.
b. Colossians 3:10: "And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him." I think your question is centered on the last part of this verse. The apostle had just written about 'putting off the old man with his deeds'. But having 'put it off', we must now "put on the new man". The two cannot happily co-exist - it's one or tother before God. And this activity is not a one time act - it is on-going. Here, this renewing is through knowledge (see Ephesians 4:24, where God creates this new man "in righteousness and true holiness"). As we grow in knowledge of God & His blessed Son, we become more like Him (His Image), just as ADAM was CREATED in God's Image. After the fall, that Image was severely marred. But "in Christ" & the Spirit's Work in us, that Image is being gradually restored - if we let His Work continue in us.
However, I think I was misunderstood face my defense of the accusations saying I feel myself superior, and I bellit GOD's people by heavy and not soft Judgments, as many examples of Judgment recorded in the Word of GOD. In fact, the Word is GOD and Judges us, He weigheth the spirits in the balances- Proverbs 16:2 & Daniel 5:27.
By the way, "Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"- 1Corinthians 13:4-9).
In the other hand, what does the Word of GOD say? Hebrews 12:3-4&6-9
3 Consider Him that endured contradictions of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, GOD dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
GOD bless
The only two instances I can recall (there may be others), where we see the Finger of God at work, are in Exodus 31:18 & Daniel 5:5,24-28. Of course, we know of many instances where those like Abraham, Moses, Jacob, & others heard directly from God & recorded what they heard. Unless they were writing all things down as they were hearing from God, there will always be some differences in words used, sentence construction, etc., alongwith the many copies, fragments, translations, and so on. This, in my mind, in no way alters what God has to say to us & what we have in our hands is what God wants us to read. But to believe that every jot & tittle is exactly the same as given, is too far-fetched for me.
Yet, after writing all that, my main point in this refers to the accuracy of the KJB in Daniel 3:25. Disregarding the kings, even their beliefs, how does the LORD permit 'Son of God' to be written, yet allow 'spirit of the gods' in another passage? And we can't appeal to one king being moved by seeing a fourth being in the furnace (also Daniel 4:8,9), & the other king a non-believer speaking in Daniel 5:14. If the Bible is to reflect the Son & Spirit of God in these passages, then the wording must be consistent & not according to people's beliefs.
You wrote, "These were his gods. That explains why Belshazzar said "the spirit of the gods"". Then if this is true here, then it must be true in Daniel 3:25 (i.e. it should read 'son of the gods', since Nebuchadnezzar exclaimed what he knew at the time, that this being appeared to be a son (or angel) of one of his gods). As well, in Daniel 4:8,9, Nebuchadnezzar should not have then appealed to the 'spirit of his gods' if he believed that it was indeed the 'Son of God' in the furnace. Even if he was unsure about these divine manifestations, at least there should have been consistency with the KJB translators (either, 'Son & Spirit', or 'son & spirit). Here then is the inconsistency which hasn't been properly dealt with. Blessings.
You mentioned here, "Nebuchadnezzar had a son to reign after him who did not know God". In light of what you wrote just before this, is it your assumption that Nebuchadnezzar did know the true God? Maybe I have again misunderstood you, given a verse such as Daniel 2:2. True, after Daniel interpreted the king's dream, the king developed a new understanding of Daniel's God, but in Daniel 2:47, it would be difficult for me to believe that the king rejected all his gods to believe in & serve the True God. I guess this would fall into the category of one's personal interpretation of that passage.
So Daniel 5:14 still remains confusing; as to why the LORD would permit 'the spirit of the gods' to be written here & in Daniel 3:25 He should permit "the Son of God" - regardless of which king was referred to.
I'll now get to your other comment Jimbob.
c. Daniel 5:14. Here you wrote, "That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar." I'm unsure if you are at the same verse here Jimbob. My Bible shows that Nebuchadnezzar had renamed Daniel as Belteshazzar (v12). So when Daniel (Belteshazzar) was brought before Nebuchadnezzar, the king told him, "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee" (v14). My question was, why should God Who inspired His Word, have allowed such a thing to be written? Surely, God Who presumably inspired the KJV translators to write "the Son of God" should have also inspired them to write 'the Spirit of God' & not 'the spirit of the gods'? Therefore, in the Chaldean understanding of those passages, both 'son & spirit' refer to 'their gods' not THE God.
d. In Daniel 2:47, I don't believe that Nebuchadnezzar's belief in the ONE God changed at all. Here in the verse, he admits that Daniel's God was indeed the God of gods and Lord of kings. The king wasn't about to give up on his gods at all but had relented that the demonstrations of Daniel's God showed that this God was above his other gods. At the most, he probably now had a greater respect and fear for the God of Heaven & so gave special license to Daniel & his three companions to worship their God & punishment to those who speaks against Him ( Daniel 3:28,29).
Therefore, to believe that the KJB is a perfect translation direct from God can't be true. No translation ever is, whether of the Bible or any other work. An examination of any Bible translation work will always reveal errors from the original, as any translation from one language to another would. Indeed, God's Word IS preserved 'from this generation forever', but I would always go back to the original writings (whenever some dispute arises in the translations) to find & learn more from that preserved Word & not the translated Word. Every blessing.
Likewise, in Daniel 3:25, "He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"; in Hebrew, it is 'bar elahin' (son of (the) gods). And particularly in the Book of Daniel, this is not uncommon where Nebuchadnezzar & the Chaldeans are seen referring to 'gods' (i.e. the deities that he believed had divine manifestations): see Daniel 2:11,47; Daniel 4:8,9,18; Daniel 5:11,14.
Therefore, I submit that what we see here in Daniel, are the beliefs that the king had in respect to deities. Not only to the 'gods' but also to the 'spirit of the gods' & the 'son of the gods'. In these portions, these are not God's Words related to us, but Nebuchadnezzar's & they must reflect his belief & understanding. But when we get to Daniel 3:28, we read that Nebuchadnezzar at last realized that this wasn't a 'son of the gods', in the furnace, but that the One & True God (the God of Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego) had sent His angel to deliver these faithful men.
Now the question: was this angel indeed the pre-incarnate Jesus, or were the translators exercising some liberty to show that it was the Son of God? I believe that the NIV & other translations are correct here as both the Hebrew & the context of Nebuchadnezzar's beliefs & words portray what he saw in the furnace as 'one sent from the deities'. If we then choose to read that Jesus was present there & not an angel, then that belief must be a personal choice.
Haggai 1:1,
Interestingly the Bible many times records things not with years & dates. It's actually genius because rulers have changed calendars multiple times, even the Hebrew "Jewish" calendar, but when records say as Haggai 1:1 "in the second year of king Darius' historical documents will still be reliable & relatable. Please see: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 11:1, Daniel 6, Ezra 4:5,24, Please note the significance of the 2nd year of Darius. The work on the house of GOD stopped until "the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia" Ezra 5:5,6,7, Ezra 6:1,12,13,14,15, here in Ezra 6:14, it even references Haggai, & Zechariah, Zechariah 1, again "the second year of Darius"
Part 2= the Word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet= GOD spoke to Haggai. A prophet = Numbers 12:6, Deuteronomy 18:15,18, Jeremiah 28:9,
Part 3: after GOD spoke to Haggai; Haggai then spoke the 'word' to Zerubbabel & Joshua.
The Bible many times will direct a prophet to specific people like Nathan to King David: 2Samuel 12:1,
Part 4: Many times the Bible will clarify by lineage who someone is because names are common. So "Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest" is clearly not mistaken for Joshua from the Book of Joshua. Also positions are clarified for I believe the same reason. Also see Nehemiah 12:22,
5th part, then it reads._.._"saying" It's now going to specify what GOD spoke, in the verses to follow._._
I hope these are helpful
Yes, the King did die that night, but not because of poison as everything that went into his mouth was first tested by one of his servants. He died as a result of God's pronouncement against him. There's been no evidence to date that the vaccine contains poison, or else 'many, many' people would have died by now, including me.
I just think God showed this to me. The king died that night. It does not say how. I think it was poison and I think the verse is talking about today and the vaccine.
That king apparently named his son & Daniel the same referenced from Daniel 1,
Daniel 5, this next king appears to be the son of the king mentioned in Daniel 1,2,3,4, please note: Daniel 5:2,10,11,18,
Daniel 5:1-21,
Important Daniel 5:22,
Daniel 5:23,
Daniel 5:24-30,
Also prophecy fulfilled, about Babylon's defeat,
References to the treasure taken 2Kings 25:13-17, 2Chronicles 36:7,10,18, & other places in scripture
Daniel 6, Daniel lives through another king, supernaturally
Daniel 7, & 8, Daniel has a dream & visions, that are referred to as prophecy,
Both Daniel 7 & 8, take place during Daniel 5, or beforehand, while that same king was in rule.
Daniel 9, is during reign of Darius, note: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 9:1,
Daniel 9:2, the prophecy of punishment for Israel was at time of completion
Daniel 9:3-19, Daniel humbled himself
Daniel 9:20-27, divine intervention also prophecy explained
Daniel 9:24-26 Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH,
Daniel 10,11, & 12 continue, Daniel 10, Cyrus king, another divine intervention & prophecy followed by Daniel fasting & prayer
Please notice Daniel 10:10-14, Daniel 10:18-21 continues through Daniel 11:1, he also strengthened Darius, note how it starts as a finishing thought & Darius was the king that was tricked into throwing Daniel into the lions, Daniel 6, distressed, alienated possibly then was he supernaturally confirmed & strengthened.
Daniel 11:2-45 continues prophecy from previous, into Daniel 12, all three chapters are following through.
Hopefully this was helpful
Daniel 1:4, the children taken capacity,
Daniel 1:5-16, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, & some of Exodus covers the foods that Jewish children were by GOD's Laws not suppose to eat, it was wisdom
Daniel 1:17-21 stood before the king, seems to say they stood by the king in service & advisers.
Daniel 2,
1st let's look at threat Daniel 2:5, if he had made all the young boys eunuchs & Jeremiah 52, would have caused fear.
Daniel 2:1-13, just like Daniel 1:20, shows that king was seeking every type of teaching but they all fail
Daniel 2:14-24, GOD ALMIGHTY is Awesome & amazing!! Psalms 44:22,
Daniel 2:25-26, sad reminder that Daniel was of the captives of Judah, also the king had changed his name. (significantly there are Babylonian records with that name so it's interesting it's noted in Bible)
Daniel 2:27-30 :to GOD be the Glory
Daniel 2:31-45 the dream of the king & interpretation , with much symbolism
Daniel 2:46,48, different later, Daniel tells that king's son, no: Daniel 5:17,
Daniel 2:47 Glory to GOD
Daniel 2:49, interesting note of favor also seen in chapter 1,
Daniel 3, looks like the king misunderstood or took that "gold" interpretation out of context from symbolic "golden head" from dream Daniel 2:31,32,38,
Daniel 3:6 threats again, & rage Daniel 3:13,19,20,21,22,23
Daniel 3:8,12,16,17,18 just like Daniel 1, didn't want to turn from GOD's Laws
Daniel 3:24-27 GOD's amazing deliverance
Daniel 3:28 to GOD be Glory
Yet threats again of brutal violence Daniel 3:29,
Daniel 3:30 promotion again, through obedience to GOD
Daniel 4, told through that king when GOD humbled him,
Daniel 4:18,19, used name he gave Daniel
God's promise to David, that he would never lack a man sitting on his throne, 1 Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, will be revoked, and the stars from heaven will fall to earth like missiles. Daniel 5:25 is upon us.
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I was just thinking about how much the Bible has influenced society and culture. Many phrases from movies, songs, people, places, and expressions originate from the Bible. So, I thought I'd list the ones I know of.
"Writing on the wall" from Daniel 5:5. I've heard this in many song lyrics, like Sam Smith, Ted Nugent
Lick (or bite) the dust?, Psalms 72:9. Queen?
These phrases I've heard various places in songs and TV, but can't think of where currently:
Skin of my teeth, Job 19:20.
Love of money is root of evil. 1 Timothy 6:10
Pride before a fall? Proverbs 16:18
A time for... Ecclesiastes 3. The Byrds - Turn! Turn! Turn!
Can anyone think of more?
Daniel 1:1, Daniel 2:1, dates of significant recognition. 2 Kings 24:1-2,
Historical insight 2 Kings 24:3-16, this appears to be the time that brought Daniel & his friends into that place of capacity. Note they left the poor in the land 2 Kings 24:14,17,18 which may explain the historical reference mentioned by other comment. 2 Kings 25:8-12,
Stated 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar._._.
Please note Daniel 4:6-9,18, Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged Daniel as "knowing the spirit of the holy" GOD was in him, therefore it shows Chpt 4 being after the first interpretation. Daniel 4:29, Daniel 4:23,
Daniel 5:11, Daniel 5:20-22, Daniel 5:31, Daniel 6:28,
Please note Daniel 7:1 it goes back to time of Daniel 5. Daniel 4, to Daniel 2, In some ways, not in the same vision but the statement in Daniel 2:47, So consistantly Daniel jumps back into moments within previous Chapters to add additional situations within those time frames
Daniel 1:20, chapter 2, could also explain this statement of why Daniel 1:20, states that.
Notice also in Daniel 5:10-14,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
My answer would be that the born-again will still experience physical death, but never spiritual death. We are all born into this world spiritually dead and because of sin, we are separated from God. It is not until a person surrenders their life to Christ that they are made spiritually alive. At the point of salvation, we are made spiritually alive, never again to be separated from God. The death that a true believer (one who has been born of God's Spirit) will never experience is what the bible refers to as the second death. So the answer to your question would be yes and no. Yes, we as born again believers will experience physical death (Unless of course the Lord comes in our lifetime), and no, we will not experience the second death, spiritual death (Eternal separation from Christ), because we have been made alive in Christ. He is our seal. He is eternal. He lives in us. He will never leave us. So if I say I have eternal life, I am in essence saying that I have the eternal one, Christ living in me. I will always have Christ in me, and since He is eternal, I have eternal life, I have Christ. Would you like for me to share my understanding of the verses you listed?
Yes, I agree. Faith is a word that describes what God does. The bible tells us that faith is a fruit of God's Spirit. The faith that the bible speaks of can only be produced by God's Spirit. We cannot produce spiritual faith, only human faith. The word faith literally means persuasion. But there are two types of faith, human faith, and spiritual faith. We either persuade ourselves (human faith), or we submit to the persuasion of God's Spirit persuading us and moving us to do something (Spiritual faith). When we submit to the persuasion of God's Spirit working in our lives, that's the faith God sees and rewards. I like to describe faith as the presence and activity of God's Spirit in a believer's life. When God's Spirit persuades us, that's faith. Have a blessed day!
Are not the BORN AGAIN to never see death?
Matthew 16:28 ....There be some standing here, which shall no taste of death, .....
John 5:24 ....but is passed from death unto life.
John 8:51 ....he shall never see death.
In the twinkling of an eye DEATH is swallowed up in VICTORY
Colossians 1:13 ....And hath TRANSLATED US into the kingdom of his dear Son:
The first Enoch was the son of Cain.
He is described as a son of Cain, and father of Irad. After Cain arrived in the Land of Nod, to which he was evicted by the Lord as his punishment for murdering his brother Abel. His wife became pregnant and bore Cain's first child, whom he named Enoch.
The SECOND Enoch was a descendant of SETH, the third son of Adam, and great-grandfather of NOAH ( Genesis 5:22-29). Seth is the bloodline of Jesus Christ ancestors and Must Not be Confused with Cains ancestor.
However one of them was ancestor of Cain. The one who killed Abel.
I'll have to take another look at that chapter. I know you mention context, but I still cannot see how Enoch would be included with those in chapter 13, especially when chapter 5 says that God transferred him and that he would not see death. What are your thoughts on the phrase "he was not found." To me, if he died a normal physical death, they would have known where his body was. It is my belief that both Enoch and Elijah never experienced physical death and that God took both of them prior to experiencing death. You are the first believer that I've talked to that says Enoch died a normal physical death. What are your thoughts on Elijah? Did Hod take him before he experienced death?
Faith, it's a word that describes what God did, and is still doing.
Are you looking for the meaning of the word translated? If so, it literally means transferred. By faith, Enoch was transferred that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transferred him: for before he was transferred he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
This is a perfect example of the application of these two types of faith, human, and spiritual. I have yet to hear any of the "human faith" teachers, which are numerous and many, say "You know, if you had enough faith, you wouldn't have to die, you'd just get transferred up into heaven. Nobody'd done that one yet!
It was by faith that Enoch was transferred because God transferred him. Faith is the name of the entire process in which Enoch was taken up into heaven. It is a word that describes what God did to Enoch. It wasn't that Enoch was here on the earth, and reached a point in his relationship with God that he had so much faith that he believed that he could be transferred up into heaven and not die, that God says "I'm pleased with that, so I think I will bring you up here." It's a word that describes what God did. The principle of faith is given in Hebrews 11:6.
america & israel = mene, mene, tekel, upharsin ( daniel 5:25)