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What does this mean "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" in Daniel 9:27

Please tell me the persons referred to in Daniel 9:25-26.Is it really Jesus Christ and the anti-christ?

Hey Steve Vick,

It is interesting, Ezekiel 13, false prophets and prophetesses like foxes, sly and cunning prophesying out of their hearts, not given from God, a deceitful picture of what will happen and what will be not from God, and the world today is full of them. We see the wall with untempered mortar and fake protection making the people fill safe but more vulnerable because they put their faith in something that is not from God.

In vs. 20 these women prophetesses remind me of the poem; "Will you walk into my parlor said the spider to the fly". Make them fly from the hands of the salvation of God's hands into their snares of soothsaying and lying divinations, but God said He would tear them from their arms. We can be safe in the word of God where is truth.

You said the rapture has been assured to you and I do not want to debate, I just would like to bring up a few things you may want to study, if I may. The 7 years come from a prophecy given to Daniel determined for the house of Israel and the city Jerusalem in which the last week is taken and placed at the end time; nowhere else I have found can you find 7 years?

Is the he in Daniel 9:27 the antichrist or the Messiah? Some look at Matt. 24;15 "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet", indicating something that is done by one person, people call him the antichrist, like what Antiochus IV did in 167 BC. In vs. 27 he makes it desolate for (because of) the overspreading of abominations (plural not singular). Are they the same? Check out, Matt. 23:35-38.

If the prophecy of the 70 weeks has already been fulfilled, what would that change about the rapture as taught? I could give more, and I pray you take this in love to study for your understanding not mine.

God bless,

RLW

Hey GiGi,

I agree the gospel that the apostles taught was the same as did Paul. What Peter stood up and said in Acts 2 is the same with one difference, they had not yet been told to carry it to the Gentiles. They were still under the command to go only to the lost sheep of Israel, Matt. 10:5-7.

My understanding, you may disagree with but may want to check out, that there was a prophecy that was not fulfilled. The saying to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. The time had not come to cut off the branch. The Church started all Jews/house of Israel.

Many places this prophecy at the end time but my studies show me it has been fulfilled, Jesus during the first 3.5 years and Jesus through His apostles during the last 3.5 years. It is Daniel 9:27, the apostles could not go to the Gentiles until the last 3.5 years of the 70th week of the prophecy was fulfilled, confirming the covenant to Daniel's people, (the house of Israel). I know you may say you don't agree but check it out.

Stephen was killed and when he was killed Acts 7:54-60, in vs 57 they stopped their ears (total rejection of Jesus) and drove out of Jerusalem all the believers in Jesus except the apostles. Saul/Paul was instructed by Jesus to go to the Gentiles, in Acts 9, Peter had his dream, in Acts 10, and the confirming the covenant with the house of Israel was fulfilled.

We see in Acts the transition that the apostles went through, like Acts 15. The gospel was the same, but the apostles had not been told it is for the Gentiles also, it took time to accept Jew and Gentile has been made in Jesus one new man, Eph. 2:15.

I hope this makes sense, love you.

God bless,

RLW

"The covenant with many" seems to be getting signed on September 26 2022 by the United Nations(the "many").

It is a covenant refering to "agenda 2030" and it's so called "sustainability goals".

First you might think; "oh i have heard about it and it is an nobel righteous thing this agenda 2030 sustainability agenda/goal...but it is evil...

They wanna take over the earth under the camouflage of their so called "pro" life/earth/nature agenda..

Don't get fooled by them...

So Daniel chapter 9 vers 27 seems to be at the door...September 26th of 2022....

Let's pray for each other to get saved in time!!

The destruction of the first Temple is recorded in 2 Kings 25:8,9: "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem: And he burnt the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all the houses of Jerusalem, and every great man's house burnt he with fire."

Then we have the Temple re-built, with the full account in Ezra chapters 1 to 6. And this temple remained intact until it was razed again in AD 70. The prophet Daniel wrote on this ( Daniel 9:24-27) & Jesus spoke of it also ( Matthew 24:1,2). Of course, history also records this as occurring.

Do you have other information on the frequency of the temple's destruction?

Hello Dorothy. No, God did not kill Jesus. Rather, the Romans put Jesus to the Cross to die & Pilate was urged to do so by the demands from the Jews (see Matthew chapter 27 & particularly verse 23). Both the Romans & Jews remain culpable for Jesus' Death.

But God, in His Wisdom & Plan to bring forth a Son to the end that He should lay down His Life for all sinners, had planned for this, for He knew that only He could exact the correct penalty for redeeming sinful man. The Apostle Peter in his messge declared in Acts 2:22,23, "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain."

Jesus' Death was planned for in eternity past because of God's foreknowledge & Will of God - God planned it for our sakes, but men took it into their own hands to take Jesus' Life. Then, did God force men to kill His Son? No. God knew His Son would be killed, but those men fulfilled their own anger & raging passion & were wholly responsible for Jesus' Death. The Old Testament Scriptures also spoke of Jesus' future Death: Psalm 22:15-18; Isaiah chapter 53; Daniel 9:26. Man is always responsible for his own actions & acts of sin, for by them he will be judged & condemned.

It's full of revelation

I love it

Daniel 9:27 When the AntiChrist descorates the Holy of Holies.

Daniel Chapter 9

Gabriel decrees that the Messiah, Jesus will be put to death following the second period of 62 sevens or 434 years. If as many historians believe the birth of Jesus was in 4 BC, this accurately proclaims the year that Jesus was crucified.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (49 years)and three score and two weeks (434 years) the street shall be built again and the wall even in troublesome times.

Artaterxes in 453 BC gave the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem. The wall was rebuilt in 404 BC. Jesus was crucified in 30 AD. Shabua is the Hebrew word meaning a seven year period.

26 And after three score and two weeks (434 years) shall Messiah be cut off but not for himself (crucified) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary thereof, shall be destroyed with a flood and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(7 years) and in the midst of the week (3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (whoso readeth let him understand). This is the defining sign before Jesus returns.

Then follows great tribulation from the midst of the week for 3.5 years prior to the return of Jesus to gather His elect (His Bride the Church triumphant).

Mt 24:29,30, 31 describe the return of Jesus after the tribulation. Joel 2:21 describes the sun being turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:15, 16, 17 describe the return of the Lord, also heralded by a trumpet. of a trumpet.

Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

God is a God of numbers. In Matthew and Mark, God was speaking to the Jews about the end time.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: I agree with you about Jeremiah. I also put in bold letters key words, Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it PERPETUAL desolations. Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to ANOINT THE MOST HOLY. I agree with you about Daniel 9:24 speaks about Jesus. It may very well be a double applications. The next verse 25 is saying the going forth to restore and to build Jerusalem seven weeks=49 years, and threescore and two weeks=434 years. Then v26 talks about the flood as in Rev 12:15-16 Rev 11:2; 13:5 talks about 42 months that equates to 3.5 years within the 70th week=7 years in v27 (49+434+7=490). The saints are no longer exist here as stated in 1 Thessalonians 5:9. 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3. Acts 20:28; Ephesians 6:18; 1 Thessalonians 2:19. BeComforted.

Hey Tracy,

We see in Matt. 10:6 Jesus told His disciples not to go to the Gentiles and Matt. 15:24 He confirms He first came for the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Why did Jesus say, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"? Other scripture also says the Jew first, Luke 24:47 Acts 3:25-26 Romans 1:16 Romans 2:9-10 and more, for what reason? To fulfill prophecy.

The Prophecy is the 70-week prophecy that many places the last week in the future. This prophecy was for the house of Israel/Judea and Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24 and these 70 weeks were determined to finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

From when Jesus was baptized until He was crucified was 3 1/2 years, John recorded the Passovers Jesus went to and Jesus was crucified on the fourth. These 3 1/2 years Jesus was confirming the covenant, to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The entire prophecy was about the coming of the Messiah that the leaders rejected.

Verse 25 tells the time the Messiah would come, verse 26 tells the Messiah would be cut off and the destruction of the city and temple, and in verse 27 he in this verse is the Messiah and the week of confirming the covenant, in the middle of the week 3 1/2 years Jesus cut off/ crucifixion, the final sacrifice, ending the animal sacrificial law. In the last half of the week, Jesus through His apostles confirmed the covenant in Jerusalem.

We see in Acts 7 the key verse is Acts 7:57, the cried out and stopped their ears with one accord, then the great persecution of the church that ended the 70-week prophecy. Shortly after Peter had his dream and Jesus appeared to Saul/Paul and the gospel was sent to the Gentiles the branch broke off but it will be grafted back in.

This is short but may you study it, I am sure many will disagree.

God bless,

RLW

Zechariah 1:1,

I believe you may be mistaken, not the Word of GOD

In my study I looked up the "Court"

The Court : Exodus 27, in the tabernacle, Exodus 40:20-33, the House: 1Kings 6:16-36, 1Kings 8:64, 2 Chronicles 4:6-22, Solomon made,

2Chronicles 24:18-27, Court, before captivity into Babylon, note Isaiah was prophesing of it, in 2 Chronicles,

Zechariah, Zacharias, etc. 2Chronicles 29:1, 2Kings 14:29, 2Kings 18:2 2Kings 15:8,11, even Luke 1:5,12,13,18,21,40,59,67,

There seems to be several men with same name, but Jesus specified "the son of Barachias" Zechariah 1:1, note: Luke 11:50-51, Matthew 23:31-39, 'between the temple & the alter '

Zechariah son of Berechaih was alive prophesing during the 2nd year of Darius, Zechariah 1:1, seemingly During: Daniel 6:1, Daniel 9:1, Daniel 11:1, the time of rebuilding, Ezra 4:24, Ezra 5:7, Ezra 6:13, Haggai 1:15, Haggai 2:10, Nehemiah 12:22,

Please note Zechariah 7:1, the house of The LORD was rebuilt & Zechariah approached their sin, Zechariah 7, he even speaks of the 70 years of captivity: Zechariah 7:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is one of the biggest hoaxes on the modern church and the cornerstone of Israel-based prophecy doctrines, including and especially the rapture doctrine and the seven year Israel / antichrist tribulation teaching all of that comes out of the misinterpretation of Daniel's 70-week prophecy. A biblically correct interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy absolutely shows the errors of Christian Zionism. Daniel was a student of Jeremiah's prophecy of Jerusalem's 70-year captivity by the Babylonians and you can read in verses 1 and 2 of Da 9.

underline that word desolations in verse 2, the archangel Gabriel appeared to Daniel and gave him his prophecy in the 68th year of that 70-year Babylonian captivity, The Babylonian captivity began with the removal of king Jeconius from Jerusalem and ended with the return of the remnant under Zerubbabel the 70 weeks that are determined upon thy people in thy holy city (verse 24) were God's judgment upon Israel primarily for its violation of God's law of the sabbath year which had been ignored for 490 years leading up to the Babylonian captivity. if you were wondering where that number came from...every seventh year was to be a sabbath year or a year of rest where servants were commanded to be freed and debts were forgiven that's Ex 23:10-12 for a period of 70 sabbath years or 490 years 70 times 7, Israel mocked God with greed and selfishness in refusing to cut off their personal property from the productivity of their servants and debt.

This prophecy predicts neither a seven year tribulation nor a rapture, it's not there it's man's invention that put it there, this entire prophecy is about Jesus Christ, Daniel 9:24 and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. which is tied to Christ's completed work on the cross. Luke24:44

The Gap and rapture theory, diminishes Christ's completed work on the cross and is the foundation for the devilish doctrines contained in Christian Zionism

Some preach fasting as a command because Jesus said "when, thou fastest" Matthew 6:16-21,

Sometimes people & Church congregations fast for closeness with GOD, to feel HIS presence, & clarity on direction from GOD: Matthew 9:15, Mark 2:19,20, Luke 5:34,35, Ezra 8:21,23, Nehemiah 1:4, Nehemiah 1, (in context.), Daniel 9:2-3, 2Corinthians 6:4,5

Fasting & prayer to help deliver people from sin, addiction, mental illness, demonic oppression, Matthew 17:21, (context) Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,

1Samuel 7:3

1Corinthians 7:3-5,

Fasting for deliverance: 2Chronicles 20:1-30, Esther 4:3,16, in context: Esther 3:8-15, - Esther 4, Daniel 6:12-23, Joel 1:14, Joel 2:12,

Fasting in repentance, sometimes even after GOD's judgement : 1Samuel 7:2-17, 2Samuel 12:7-23, (do you think it was easier to except it because he was fasting? While others were perplexed?) 1Kings 21, note 1Kings 21:27-29, Jonah 3:5-10, Joel 2:15,

Also Isaiah 58,

Jesus fasted an extreme fast: Matthew 4:2,

When it says in: Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:17-18, can we do these things without fasting?

I believe there are too many scriptures about power in fasting, direction, deliverance & repentance to think lightly of.

Fasting is submission, Romans 13:7, Luke 20:25, Matthew 17:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful

Are you referring to what Daniel references in Daniel 9:2, if so: Daniel is speaking about Jeremiah's promise & Prophecy given by GOD to Israel about their return from captivity. Jeremiah 29:10

Jeremiah 12:15, Jeremiah 16:15, Jeremiah 24:5,6, Jeremiah 30,

Hopefully these are helpful in trying to answer your question. If you're searching something else, ask & hopefully we/I can help you

Amen Juarez. The problem is, many in the modern church haven't read Daniel or about Bible prophesy well. The "no rapture" or "the rapture is simply the 2nd coming" even replacement theology which is like a plague in this discussion all come from heretic doctrines.

One of the strongest proofs of a Pretribulation Rapture is the event of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 9:27 and then again by the Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:15. This is the event when the Antichrist will claim to be god from the temple in Jerusalem, and demand that the world worship him or be killed. From this blasphemous event, it will be exactly 3 1/2 years until the Lord's SECOND COMING ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:4).

Since the Bible plainly states that no man knows WHEN the Rapture will occur ( Matthew 25:13), we must conclude that it will be a Pretribulation Rapture, because we DO KNOW it will be exactly 3 1/2 years between the abomination of desolation and the SECOND COMING.

1st Thessalonians 4:14-18, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

All Christians will be removed from the earth at the Rapture. However, the Bible teaches that sinners will be saved after the Rapture, during the Tribulation Period ( Revelation 7:14). We read in the Book of Revelation that the Beast will make war against the saints ( Revelation 13:7). These will be people saved during the 7-year Tribulation.

Douglas Borchard,

This prophecy gives the precise time of the first coming of the Messiah. You will receive different understandings of this, it is a study that will take much time. this is just a little information you may use to help your study.

Many put the last week of this prophecy at the end times. It is used for the 7 years of tribulation, a peace treaty with the antichrist (he in verse 27) for 3 1/2 years then 3 years of great tribulation with the taking of the church somewhere between (pre, mid, post).

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 weeks, 70 x 7 = 490 solar years or 483 prophetic years) on the house of Israel (Daniel's people) and the holy city (Jerusalem). It started from "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", make a note, that the rebuilding of the temple is not in this prophecy.

Here are a few verses that may help your study and if this prophecy has been fulfilled or not.

1. To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5, 8 Isaiah 53:11 Hebrews 9:15-18

2. To make an end of sins Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3

1 John 3:5 Psalm 32 Romans 8:3

3. To make reconciliation for iniquity Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 ( Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness Romans 5:17-21 Romans 3:21-26 1Peter 2:24

2 Corinthians 5:21 Isaiah 61:10-11

5. To seal up vision and prophecy Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18

John 5:36-40 Matthew 11:11-15

6. To anoint the most holy Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

The six things that were determined on Daniel's people and the holy city in this 70-week prophecy; did the Messiah/Jesus fulfill?

God bless,

RLW

Hey Bro dan,

When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.

My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.

Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.

There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.

God bless,

RLW

More examples how the men of God took the written word of God literal on most occasions.

Daniel 9:2-3. In the first year of his reign I Daniel UNDERSTOOD BY BOOKS THE NUMBER OF THE YEARS, WHEREOF THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME TO JEREMIAH THE PROPHET, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

"Here Daniel responds with prayer to what he found in scripture and took literal."

Daniel 9:25-26. we have a prophesy of the coming of Lord "as King"fulfilled to the day and the death of the Messiah and destruction of Jerusalem. "Literal "

They, ( the Jews ) was held accountable for not knowing the "TIME" of his visitation.

See here.

Luke 19:42-44 (KJV) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; BECAUSE THOU KNEWEST NOT THE TIME OF THY VISITATION.

Daniels prophecy and estimation was to be taken literal.

Please keep in mind this thread is to refute the notion that the whole Bible is a parable as one mentioned.

God bless

Richard:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week....

This is talking about Christ confirming the NEW COVENANT.

From his entering into Jerusalem (Sunday)on the colt of and ass (prophecy) to his resurrection to LIFE (Sunday), ONE WEEK and the covenant was confirmed.

.......and in the midst of the week (the day he was crucified) he shall cause the sacrifice (old covenant) and obligation TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate (no LIFE other than the LIFE OF CHRIST), even until the consumption, and that DETERMINED (judgement) shall be poured out on the DESOLATE (those not having THE LIFE OF CHRIST).

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice (old covenant) shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation SET UP, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

THREE and ONE HALF YEARS, Christ ministry in the flesh. FIRST COMING.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and COMETH to the one thousand three hundred thirty five days (PENTECOST), Christ ministry in the Spirit. SECOND COMING.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues shall see their dead bodies (sinful flesh, dead in trespasses) three days and a half (Christ betrayal to Christ resurrection) and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in the graves.

Revelation 11:11 and after three days and a half (laying in the grave with Christ) the SPIRIT OF LIFE from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet (these whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE, once dead, Now have THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and great fear fell upon them that saw them.

Revelation 20:9 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.

God Bless YOU!

That is a very interesting question. Surely; we could see wars; rumors of wars; famine; pestilences; etc. along with persecution increasing in the past century to record amounts. Part of what I'd say is that there is an inevitability to the frequency increasing in the limited time of the Tribulation; whereas now while the restrainer remains prayer can allow for things to slow down; and the gates of hell will not prevail against the church as a whole; whereas afterward the saints WILL be overcome in the Tribulation.

The great falling away; or apostacy is going to be accompanied with the collective wish for a world leader and for world peace; which will be appearing to occur with the Daniel 9:27 covenant being confirmed. To be convincing enough; there will have to be some sort of worldwide currency. I would not be surprised if there is briefly one which has a gold or silver standard as China; Russia and India are competing with such reserves backing up monies now; and eventually our dollar will tank; since it isn't backed by anything. This will probably be part of the "dividing the land for gain" and certain actions of the Antichrist to consolidate wealth. That would also likely necessitate Israel being a big part of it with their natural resources being utilized to the maximum extent. It also would be part and parcel with the rapidly forming one world religion sort of combining Christianity; Judiasm and Islam which is being planned with some new centers in I believe Dubai which the Papacy is involved with. Jesus warns the Day of the Lord comes at a time we don't expect.

With all this; we see the significance of the first two world wars and other major events of modern history (including the ability to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons). We need to keep in mind the seriousness of the Seal Judgments often underplayed compared with the later ones. Jesus Himself opens the seals; after the Rapture as I see scripture.

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Hello, I'm not sure death would be the right word for it, but maybe transformed into a spiritual body and maybe being stripped of the old earthly body. The scripture says we will be caught up in the air, but the rest is my own personal belief which everyone seems to have a different view of and the speculating isn't a salvation issue. God bless.

No, I'm sorry but the rapture does exist. Modern theologians started denying it about 20-years ago as a new replacement theological trend. YouTube videos and false doctrine social media "preachers" have been misleading people on this in the last decade.

The Church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the appearing of the Antichrist ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:7,8). There isn't one verse in the entire Bible which indicates that the Church will go through the Tribulation period. In fact, if you want proof of a Pretribulation Rapture, you'll find it simply by studying the Bible. If we compare Scriptures having to do with the Translation of the Church (i.e., the Rapture), with those passages relating to the setting up of Christ's Kingdom, one can only reasonably conclude that it would be utterly IMPOSSIBLE for these two events to occur simultaneously. Let's look at some of the comparisons:

Matthew 25:31,32 - "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations" Carefully notice that Jesus is going to sit upon His throne in Jerusalem when He returns, and the nations of earth will be gathered before Him to be judged. How can this fact be reconciled with 1st Thessalonians 4:17, which states that the saints will be caught up together to meet with the Lord in the air?

If people stuck with the simple prophetic truths in the Bible and stopped listening to internet preachers...all this denial about the rapture, tribulation, 2nd coming, etc...wouldn't have become so contrived and over inflated. I see the modern church reaching a contradictory point of twisting Scripture and confusing masses to the point of eventually just denying everything.

i dont believe in the pretrib doctrin there is to much scripture saying we will go through the tribulation but there will be a rapture after the tribulation and yes at that moment we will die but will be transfomed into a glorious body at a instance all men must die this body cant enter in

The Bible says that every man is distant die, it also says that during the rapture we will be taken up to meet the lord in the clouds. Will we die during the rapture?

Jeremiah covers the capture of each area & continues to warn them to repent. Jeremiah 1:1-3, Jeremiah 4:1-2, Jeremiah 5:1, Jeremiah 7:1-15, Jeremiah 10:20-21, Jeremiah 11, Jeremiah 12, Jeremiah 34:8-22,

Jeremiah 20:1-2, Jeremiah 21:1-2, king Zedekiah, Jeremiah 22, Jeremiah 24:1, Jeconiah son of Jehoiakim King of Judah, Jeremiah 25:1-3, 4th yr. of Johoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah . Jeremiah 32:1-2, Jeremiah 34:1-7,

Prophetic promise: Jeremiah 23:3-7, Jeremiah 30:3-4, Jeremiah 31, Jeremiah 33:7-17,

Jeremiah 29, note Jeremiah 29:1-4,

Daniel was taken into captivity as young boy, Daniel 1:1, Daniel 9:1-2, Jeremiah 29:10, but looks to have returned in Ezra 8:2

Note: Jeremiah 37:1-3, king Zedekiah instead, Coniah only mentioned here & Jeremiah 22:24,28, not in Isaiah or other Books in Bible of this account, including the Books of Kings, nor the Books of Chronicles.

Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Here are scriptures about fasting:

When in fear of war: 2Chronicles 20:2-23, brought deliverance

Ezra 8:21, direction & protection, Esther 4,

Isaiah 58, * GOD pointing out hypocrisy & cruelty, & a better way,

To avoid Judgement through repentance & fasting: Jeremiah 36:7-9, Jonah 3:4-10, Nehemiah 9,

Fasting for Understanding: Daniel 9:2-23 (amazing description here to encourage GOD hears!)

Please note in these, there is confessing wrong doing, declaration of GOD's goodness,

Direction from Jesus: Matthew 6:16-18, privately

Deliverance from spiritual difficulties some only accomplished through fasting & prayer. Mark 9:15-29,

Additional direction in fasting for married couple : 1Corinthians 7:2-5,

Sometimes it's good after you've done all of that, to just be still before GOD

Hopefully these are helpful

Starting with: Numbers 14:34,35,36,37,38 then, Ezekiel 4:6,

Daniel 9:2, searching the prophetic timelines,

Other years mysteries: Isaiah 61:2, Isaiah 63:4, Jeremiah 11:23, Jeremiah 17:8, Jeremiah 23:12, Jeremiah 48:44, Jeremiah 51:46, Ezekiel 46:17, Luke 4:19, Luke 13:8, Revelation 9:15, Daniel 11:6,

Sometimes in prophetic dreams things symbolized days & years,

additional amounts of time described at "times" Daniel 4:23,25,32, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 8:14,17,19,26

Weeks; Daniel 9:24-27, Daniel 12:1,9,

Days: Daniel 12:11,12,13, 2Peter 3:7-13,

Also a Day is like a thousand years unto The LORD: 2Peter 3:8, Psalms 90:4,

* Daniel 2:20-22, James 1:5,

Hopefully these are helpful to your study