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The Israelites day ended at sundown. So, Monday at sundown became Tuesday morning about 6 pm.

You have to take into account that Jesus was crucified before the "high sabbath" (feast of Unleavened bread), which was separate from the weekly sabbath (Friday at sundown through Saturday at sundown).

JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK = Wednesday ( Daniel 9:27).

The Roman soldiers had to remove His dead body from the cross at sundown, Wednesday, by Jewish law.

Jesus was resurrected Saturday at sundown, at the end of the weekly sabbath, beginning Sunday (Sunday is the 1st day of the week).

Listen to this: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." Mark 16:9

Ron,

I agree when satan's kicked out of heaven and that initiates the 6th trumpet, 2nd woe, day of the Lord. For reference, here are a few describing the same event from different angles: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 21:1-9, Isaiah 24, Isaiah 47, Ezekiel 21:1-24, Ezekiel 38:1-17, Joel 2:1-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Revelation 18. This battle is over in an hour.

Daniel 9:27 I see what you are saying about the language, the dualism. At this point, I need to examine other evidence surrounding this verse, compared to other scriptures to better pin point what is going on.

Right off the bat, it is well known that the day of the Lord sees Jesus coming like a thief with His northern army to lay the land desolate. God states that anti-Christ's army is His army, Joel 2: 10-11

Seeing then that I will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked, therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh from the south to the north: Ezekiel 21:1-7 "MY sword will go out of HIS sheath".

Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Isaiah 13: 6 This characteristic of the strike is synonymous with the man of sin, spoiler at noonday, anti-Christs.



God furbishes a sword and places it in the slayers (anti-Christ's) hand, Ezekiel 21:9-12 Russia has God-like weaponry, God has blessed Russia's scientists. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, Ezekiel 21:12

The 70 weeks is a classic Bible mystery. I will study it again. The way I explained it to you makes sense to me considering the 6th trumpet lasts 42 months. I have no strong convictions towards it, and would evolve my mind if I was presented a sound concept. As it stands, it is a side bar to my love of the Lord and His prophets.

I will be around to reprove.

I'd like to add some commentary concerning Jesus' ministry. The 70th week is split evenly, and over time, between Jesus and Anti-Christ: each having 42 months (3.5 years) power. Jesus' ministry was the 1st half of the week, 42 months, and was cut off, crucified, then in the end-times, satan gets the 2nd half of the week, 42 months.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

We also see that the 2 witnesses (The 144,000, The woman/church) are persecuted by by satan for 42 months, Revelation 12:4

These hostilities takes place between the 6th and 7th trumpets, during anti-Christs rule.

There is no such thing as a 7 year great tribulation, satan only gets 42 months.

Daniel 24.Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy, Holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for inequity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. The seventy weeks started in 456 BC and ended in 34 AD. The time period upto Messiah was seven weeks, and three score and two weeks. That is 7+62=69 weeks. ie 69*7=483 years. That is when Jesus was anointed - in CE 27. Daniel 9:27- And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. ie in the midst of the seventh week ie AC 31 Jesus died in the cross and resurrected. Then after stoning to death of Stephen the gospel was given to gentiles as his own people rejected it AC 34.Thus the 70 weeks prophecy fulfilled in AC 34.This my understanding.

Hi everyone how are u all today

I agree with your understanding about the rebuilding of Jerusalem & its walls. But then, who is the Messiah referred to? I can't think of anyone that Daniel might consider to be a (type) of Messiah.

I would disagree with the statement that the days are prophetically years. Notice that it starts from the going forth of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. This was done in the times of Nehemiah and Ezra. To say the Messiah mentioned here is Jesus is troubling to me as I don't see him fulfilling the rest of the prophesy verbatim. It is much more likely that the prophesy was fulfilled literally as I believe a through study of the time will show/prove.

Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE people and upon THY HOLY CITY,

...to finish the transgression, and

( Jn 1:29; 1 Jn 3:5; Is 53:12)

...to make an end of sins, and

( 1 Cor 15:3; Col 1:19-20; Heb 9:26-28)

...to make reconciliation for iniquity, and

( Rom 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18; Col 1:20-22; Eph 2:14-16)

...to bring in everlasting righteousness, and

( Matt 3:15; Rom 3:21-22; Rom 8:4; 2 Cor 5:21)

...to seal up the vision and prophecy, and

( Jn 19:30; Luke 24:25-27; Rev 19:10)

...to anoint the most Holy.

(Is 61:1; Mark 1:15; Luke 4:18; Heb 9:8)

{ Daniel 9:24} < The context

And he [the Messiah] shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK (the seventieth) he [Christ] SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations (the continued temple sacrifices, after Christ one perfect sacrifice.) he shall makeitdesolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ("Behold your house has been left unto you desolate.")

{ Daniel 9:27}

Only our Creator can have a covenant with his creation.

7 weeks + 62 weeks + one week = 70 weeks, to anoint the most Holy, and to seal up the vision and the prophecy.

Yea, he [antichrist beast] magnifiedhimselfeven to [against] the princeof the host[Christ], and by him the dailysacrificewas taken awayH7311H7311, and the place of his [Christ] sanctuarywas cast down.

{ Daniel 8:11}

(Here the place of the true sanctuary is being cast down: see Heb 8:1)

And armsshall standon his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuaryof strength, and shall --take away--H5493[call/bring back] the daily, and they --shall place-- H5414 [set up]the abominationthat maketh desolate.

{ Daniel 11:31}

--Jesus at his crusifiction caused the sacrifice and the oblation of the daily to cease.

( Daniel 9:27)

And from the time[508 A.D.] thatthe daily (sacrifice)shall be --taken away--H5493, [call back] and the abominationthat maketh desolateset upH5414,there shall be a thousandtwo hundredand ninetydays. ("The time of the end")

{ Daniel 12:11}

(The spurious sanctuary being set up in place of the true sanctuary in heaven, which is what the terminus quem of 1798 A D. gives us.)

This is the antichrist beast of Rome who thinks to change times and laws of God, and who in their own words thinks to reinstate the the literal sacrifices (daily) that Christ caused to cease with his one perfect sacrifice.

And he ['ha moshiach'] shall confirm the covenant ['berit hadashah'] with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [the 70th week] HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations

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The World of Antichrist

APRIL 3, 2020/PREACHERSPOINT

The last two weeks I've written about the signs of Christ's return going on around the world. Worldwide pestilence, earthquakes in divers place, wars and rumors wars, massive locust swarms in Africa, and the list continues.

Through various forms of correspondence, I have received the following questions, "Is this the end of the world?" "Is Christ coming back soon?" "Are we in the Tribulation Period?" "Will we see Armageddon in a few months?"

This column will try, on the one hand, to calm people down somewhat; and, on the other hand, give the warning people need to hear.

Let us do the quick answers first.

"Is this the end of the world?" Until the rapture happens, we are at least 1,007 years from the end of this earth.

"Are we in the Tribulation Period?" - No. The Tribulation period begins when the Antichrist makes a seven-year covenant "with many" concerning Israel and the city of Jerusalem ( Daniel 9:27). This event has yet to happen.

The big battle everyone thinks about is Armageddon. Well, two Biblical battles must take place before Armageddon ( Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38-39). Also, Armageddon comes at the end of the seven-year tribulation period that has not yet started (see above).

As far as Christ return - Is it close? The Second Coming is the last event of the Tribulation Period, so, at this point, we have at least seven years before Christ sets foot on this earth again. However, the rapture (Christ appearing in the air and removing believers) could happen at any moment.

At this point, let us fill in some details about the future as Biblical prophecy explains it to us.

There will still be national borders at the time of the Antichrist. The Bible talks of other "kings" on earth with him. He will be running the show and calling the shots as the leaders of the world, will eventually be wrapped a

Can you please explain Daniel 9:25, Seven weeks, threescore and 2 weeks. What does the threescore and 2 weeks mean?

Thank you,

Doug

Be not deceived. The antichrist has already come and his name was Nero, the man of lawlessness, the antichrist of the 666. There will certainly be more antichrists to come, but the one the bible specifically mentions is not distant future as Dispensationalists would have us believe. Revelation is about the judgment of Israel for the overspreading of their abominations Daniel 9:26-27

Hi Nadine,

I know that the common belief is that Daniel 9:27 warns of a coming anti-christ. I hope you will consider that the one confirming the "covenant" with many is Christ and not anti-christ.

This chapter, Daniel 9, is a prayer for the forgiveness of Israel and that prayer is answered when Gabriel is sent to Daniel with a semi detailed timeline of the arrival of the Lord our Savior. Especially Note that Daniel 9:4 states "... O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the COVENANT and mercy to them that love him...". Isn't this he covenant being spoken of in verse 27?

Daniel 9:25 essentially says that Messiah will appear upon the end of the first 69 weeks. This would coincide with about the time of the beginning of the ministry of Christ.

Daniel 9:26 says that 'after' 69 weeks Messiah will be cut off. Many people believe that Christ's ministry lasted about 3 1/2 years after which He was crucified.

Also notice the similarity between Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many..." and Mat 26:28 and Mar 14:24 where Christ's Words are very similar while He is having the last supper with His disciples. The word "testament" in these verses can also be translated "covenant".

Also, for scholars to suggest that satan confirms covenants is little ridiculous and I don't think that the Bible would support that notion.

I suspect that much of the visions which were given to Daniel are still sealed and will shortly begin to be revealed. I wouldn't put much stock in a "broken seven year covenant between satan and God's 'chosen people'". A belief that is based on an odd reading of Daniel 9:27.

Yes, Daniel 9:26 was accomplished at the coming of the Messiah and then in AD 70, Emperor Titus marched into Jerusalem & destroyed it. Verse 27 is also attributed to this invasion though some see it as a picture of the future Anti-Christ who comes to 'bring peace' in the middle east conflicts, yet mid-week through his reign breaks any covenant he makes with Israel, & indeed goes against her. From hereon, Israel's sorrows multiply.

Hasn't Daniel 9:26 and 27 already happened?

Acts 1:10-20

This took place in a Upper Room. A prophesy Peter found about Judas Iscariot is discussed by the disciples. They are about to appoint a new 12th disciple.

I believe the Holy Spirit showed Peter of the prophesies about Judas Iscariot's betrayal. Jesus knew of the prophesy; He's God. It would explain lack of closeness with Judas.

The Commentary Page on this website says the prophesy is about Judas Iscariot.

This is one of those studies that you have to read at a snails pace, all of the center column references to get a clearer picture of prophesy with present circumstances.

I'm going to list the passages and let the scholars in here piece it together with Holy Spirit, our Helper: helping us rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Acts 1: 10:20

John 18:3

Matthew 26:55-56

Psalms 41:9, 55:23 (The Prophesy)

Isaiah 53:7 (Ch 53 all about Jesus)

Daniel 9:26

Lamentations 4:20

Leviticus 25:15

Deuteronomy 16:9

*when you Google on Judas; just use his last name & it'll get you to the right Judas.

This is how I see it brother.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

they thought the LAST antichrist was going to arise during their time or the warning would not have gone out at that time in this epistle. They did have their antichrist Caesar Nero which did add up to 666.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what (what do you think this what is?) withholdeth (holds back) that he (the antichrist) might be revealed in his time.

The Holy Spirit is not a WHAT. I personally think this WHAT is the Holy Spirit's "restraining power". I can't say this 100% for sure but it makes sense. Your thoughts?

On Daniel 9:27, the "he" - do you know what an antecedent is?

Well, God went some distance to explain to us the timeline. In Daniel 9:24 seventy weeks (of years) are determined.... to accomplish about everything. But two things are specified for the first 69 weeks (69x7=483 years), 7 weeks for the building of the streets and walls and three score and two unto The Messiah the Prince. STARTING when??? Back to vs :24 -> From the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem... TO when??? -> Unto the Messiah the Prince. 69X7 years from Persian Commandment to free the Jews to go back to Jerusalem Until Jesus is crucified. 69 of the 70 weeks fulfilled 2000 years ago. That leaves one week. The key verse is Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice...to cease and place the abomination of desolation. He is the antichrist. The covenant presumably is the seventy weeks for everything, looks like to restart the seventy weeks going to be some kind of 7 year treaty with "many" that includes Jews Building their temple and resumiing sacrifice like in the Old Testament. But he, the AC, breaks the treaty in the middle of the seven years. 42 months in Rev 11. Mt 24:15 ->When you see the Abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel standing in the HolyPlace Mt 24:21 ->Then shall be great tribulation. When will we see the Abom of Des? Dan 9:27 In the midst of the week...!!! What does the Abom of Des signify? The midpoint of the last 7 years and the beginning of The Great Tribulation for 3 1/2 years. Mt 24:29 ->>Immediately After the (3 1/2 year long) Tribulation, Jesus appears in the clouds as he collects the Christians from around the globe. So, the day and hour we don't know. But as Jesus' return nears, we have specific markers that tell us how long we have. "Except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved. But for the elects sake those days shall be shortened."

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Robert,

I began drafting a response to your previous comments yesterday, but got bogged down with trying to calculate the weeks (of years) in Daniel 9. I got up to the 62 weeks (crucifixion) but just couldn't get past that with the coming of Titus & the destruction. So, I will leave it at that as my time could better be spent on dwelling on other, clearer matters. Though, to comment on the following:

You: "But none of that is in the actual verse. it is being read into the verse. that is what a presupposition is."

Me: True, the Anti-Christ is not directly shown there in v 27, however, I understand that 2 Thes 2:3,4: "and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." This is the passage that is commonly referred to as a reference to the Daniel 9:27 prophecy about him.

Concerning the Covenant made in verse 27 (referring to your most recent comments):

I understand how this verse is understood when the "he" is seen as Jesus (i.e. it is Jesus Who confirms the Covenant (that which was first made in Genesis); it is Jesus through His Sacrifice that cancels out the need for sacrifices/oblations, etc.; & this will be the case until He returns).

Then looking at the same verse with 'other' eyes: i.e. it is Anti-Christ confirming the Covenant (for the 7 years) that he first makes with Israel so as to garner their support for his position & work of peace on their behalf; & after 3 1/2 yrs, he breaks his (the) covenant (= support/promises) & then proceeds to desecrate the Jewish temple (which we assume will be re-built again), put a stop to the sacrifices & in so doing sits in the temple as God demanding worship. And of course, the rest of that account is seen in his treatment of the Jews, his powers, obedience to him by all, death/martyrdom, etc.

ME: "There are TWO princes mentioned in this passage. One is Titus (secular little prince) and the other Jesus the Messiah, the Prince of peace." (v26).

YOU: Yes, I do agree with you on that, but when we get to verse 27 & we see (A) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many", this is where divergent opinions arise on who "he" is. Some say that it speaks of Jesus, others, Anti-Christ. For those referring it to Jesus, I sought understanding as to His "confirming the Covenant FOR ONE WEEK (7 Years) & (B) causing the sacrifice & oblation to cease, etc." If it was Jesus, (C) how & when did this happen at His coming & His death, as all things continued the same way with the Jews? (D) If it referred to the "Prince that shall come", then it spoke about, either evil Titus at his coming in AD 70, or that spirit that was in him, to be revealed in the Anti-Christ.

ME: BREAKING IT DOWN. I think I did this for you before. You may have not read it.

A & B: CONFIRM THE COVENANT =

1.What covenant was promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15?

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

2.What covenant came into being WHEN Jesus rose from the dead?

3.What covenant is constantly talked about throughout the whole New Testament and referred to in the Old Testament many times with Daniel 9:24-27 just being one of those times?

4.Why is the KJB the only one that calls it THE covenant? THE is a definitive article only meaning ONE of a kind ONE time. There has been many peace treaties over the centuries. More modern English translations have changed THE to A so they can encrypt pre-trib theology in by making it say more than one possibility. The NLT is so horrible it teaches pre-trib theology.

This is about 1/4th of my response and breaking it all down for you. I wish I could just send you the Word document so you can read it over and over. Blogs are nice but limited.

Here is what the church always taught until 1830.

GENEVA BIBLE)

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

JOHN WESLEY:

Daniel 9:27

He shall confirm - Christ confirmed the new covenant, By the testimony of angels, of John baptist, of the wise men, of the saints then living, of Moses and Elias. By his preaching. By signs and wonders. By his holy life. By his resurrection and ascension. By his death and blood shedding. Shall cause the sacrifice to cease - All the Jewish rites, and Levitical worship. By his death he abrogated, and put an end to this laborious service, for ever. And that determined - That spirit of slumber, which God has determined to pour on the desolate nation, 'till the time draws near, when all Israel shall be saved.

CHECK OUT ALSO MATTHEW HENRY, JOHN GILL, etc. Matthew Henry is probably the best Bible commentator of all time.

Chris,

Sacrifices were no longer needed after Jesus' death. To teach it is God's will to go back to them when He never wanted them in the first place but it was temporary as we are told in Hebrews and Daniel TILL ( Daniel 9:24-27) the Messiah should come - that 490 year timeline.

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

We also have the angel that is going about with the EVERLASTING GOSPEL in Revelation. So when someone says the Joos can be saved by grace and keeping the law during a future time period they are contradicting dozens of passages in both the old and new testaments.

1. Joos were only saved ONE way during Jesus time- grace through faith through Christ. No other way.

2. These same Joos began to spread the gospel.

3. Joos for the last 2,000 years have been saved by grace.

So why does this change all of a sudden if Jesus was the final Lamb sacrifice that could take away the sins of the world? Blood from bulls and goats only took away sins for ONE year. You could not be born again until Jesus.

God Bless.

In verse 23 shows that Jehovah God highly values his faithful older servants. Daniel was probably in his 90s here and Jehovah God referred to him as precious or very desirable. This is such a refreshing scripture because in our society older ones are not given the respect and honor they deserve. So we should work hard to have Jehovah's viewpoint of older ones and to express our affection for faithful older ones.

Daniel 9.26-27 tells us about our Lord's ministry and his crucification and prophecy about destruction of Israel and its sanctuary by Roman armies in 70 AD. Daniel 9.27 says he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week - (his gospel work )and in the midst of the week he (Jesus )shall cause the sacrifice and oblation(animal sacrifice) to cease - (by his sacrifice in the cross)and for over spreading of abominations he(Jesus) shall make it (animal sacrifice) desolate- Godforsaken- even until consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate - the Israel nation.

The first part of verse 26 and verse 27 could be linked together as they are both referring to Jesus Christ, whereas, the second part of verse 26 is referring to the people of the Roman prince namely Antiochus who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and its people in 70 A.D.

you:

Then Mt 24:15: "the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel" arises. Is it referencing Dan 12:11 or Dan 9:27, or both? You mentioned that Dan 9:27 applied to Jesus Who "causes the sacrifices to cease, etc.", so the mention of the 'abomination of desolation' in Mt 24:15 becomes intriguing.

Me:

Yes, abominations is plural in Daniel 9:27, not singular. Can't use that one and stay intellectually honest. I don't have all the answers. I just try to never add or take away from the word of God. And there is that nasty "S" in the original manuscripts in Daniel 9:27.

What do you think of the eagle symbol the Roman Army had? Could that be the where you see the eagles gather? We take it as literal eagles. But Jesus is going to incinerate the earth which wold cleanse everything. Just a thought I just thought of so as Inigo Montoya in the Princess Bride movie once said to Vizzini, "I don't know your thinkum is what your thinkum is" or something like that. LOL.

YOU:

Those in Judea are to 'flee to the mountains, etc.' ( Mt 24:16-20): reference to the Jews. And after this, there will be Great Tribulation ( Mt 24:11). Of course, this Tribulation hasn't happened yet, unless the rest of us missed it altogether. So all these show me that Jesus was applying His prophecies specifically to Israel, with the broader implications to the rest of us."

Me: Fulfilled in 70 AD with signs as historically written of outside of the Bible. ALL the Christians in Jerusalem escaped when the Roman Army made its last push. 1.1 million unsaved Jews stayed in Jerusalem and were slaughtered, and 90,000 were sold into slavery, some mothers were eating their children to feed their other children. About 2 million were killed leading up to and including this final battle. So about 2/3rds of the Jewish population worldwide was wiped out. Many scholars believe this was the time of Jacob's trouble because percentage-wise way more Jews were killed than the Holocaust and in a much much worse way.

Mishael and Jesse - Joseph was not Jesus biological father/parent. Jesus was conceived and born of the holy spirit as the son of God but through Mary being used by God as the biological mother for the birth of Jesus in the human flesh, such that through Him all the elect of God (Jews and non-Jews) could be saved, etc.. Indeed there are Christ believing Jews (and gentiles) and a great many antichrist Jews, out of whom may possibly ascend the Prince in Daniel 9:26 that makes a Covenant with many for one week..

Chris thought you might find this interesting.

When will or When did the last 3 Years of Daniel Chapter 9 get Fulfilled?

Choice One:

7th Day Adventists take the 'Stephen principle' dying 3 1/2 years after Jesus was crucified thus fulfilling all 70 weeks of Daniel chapter nine's 490 year timeline or what is called the 70 prophetic weeks with each week equaling 7 years. The problem I have with this view although it could be true is that it cannot be proven Biblically or historically when the evangelist Stephen was stoned to death. It really stems from their prophetess Ellen G. Whites supposed vision. I am not going to put my faith in something that cannot be proven with the Bible and Ellen had some false prophecies.

Choice Two:

I hold to the 3 1/2 year war that ended in 70 AD with Jesus giving the unsaved Jews an extra 40 years to repent and believe upon Him as their Messiah. I do so because it, what was known as The Great Revolt, lasted 3 1/2 years, so it is historical, and it also fulfills part of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy as the prophecy not only talks about Messiah coming and dying for sins but also that the 2nd temple would be destroyed which obviously means that Messiah had to come before the 2nd temple was destroyed. There is no getting around that. This prophecy also matches nicely with all the parables, and warnings Jesus gave the Jews in Matthew chapters 20, 21, 22, and 23.

CHOICE 3:

The Book of Revelation talks about a 3 year period. Whether this is an entirely different 3 years than the 490 years of Daniel chapter nine's 70 weeks prophecy or not I feel cannot be proven either way. A 'full preterist' would say this portion of Revelation was already fulfilled in 70 AD also. I have some problems with that. I tend to hold to Revelation's 3 years as different than the Daniel 9 490 years because it seems to be dealing with a different group of people and Messiah had already come and died for sins. I think choice two is the most logical.

Barnes is one of the really good commentaries too. I do believe there is one final antichrist. Full preterism rejects this idea but I see a double-fulfillment.

Some of the early church fathers did believe in some of the things we would call "the futurist view" today. For example, many believed in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth. They didn't teach a pre-trib rapture though. And they definitely did not divide the church with unsaved Jews as most modern day pre-trib teachers do. In doing so, political zionism has flourished and many Christians in Palestine have been killed and maimed for life. According to Paul, once the New Covenant was confirmed ( Daniel 9:27) there is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK FOR WE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST. To teach that some Jews would be saved by faith and WORKS during a period of time nullifies the finished work fo Christ on the cross and therefore is heresy. John Hagee is a big teacher on that and teaches DUAL Covenant Theology that teaches that. He threatened to sue Hank Hannegraff about 30 years ago for exposing his false teaching. A brother is not supposed to sue another brother so that didn't speak well of Hagee at all. He went way off the deep end and started to Judaize America after that.

Some pre-trib teachers try to site TWO of the many early church fathers saying they taught a pre-trib rapture in desperation to find someone pre-1830 but they horribly misquote what they really said and left out a portion of what they said; hopefully, not on purpose as that is very deceptive. Two guys that tried that over the last 5 years were Dr. Gene Kim and Dr. Ken Johnson. I fact-checked them to find out those two early church fathers were at best Mid-trib believers if you read the whole passage of their writings. Gene Kim tends to just parrot what he heard someone else teach without doing his homework. Ken Johnson I was concerned that he got it off. Maybe he never really looked it up either and was parroting one of his college teachers.

So in summary, there was only 3 1/2 years left after Jesus died in the 490 year timeline. Question is, was it fulfilled in

1. Stephens' death (there is no way to prove historically or Biblically that Stephen was killed an exact 3 1/2 years after Jesus. But I am open to this idea.

2. This is my take. The Great Revolt War that lasted 3 1/2 years from the fall of 66 AD to the spring of 70 AD; the Stay of Execution extra 40 years. 40 means trials and temptations in the Bible. even the demonic Jooish Talmud admits to the scarlet wool never turning white again from 40 years before the destruction of Jerusalam in Yoma 39b. This was a supernatural sign that God did after the Day of atonement. It never happened again after Jesus' death. This proves the abominationS in Daniel 9:27 has to be what the killing of animals again, not what ONE man way in the future was going to do. Even building a third temple is an abomination. See what God did to this attempt in 363 AD. I fear so many Christians are heading for major judgment for sending money to have this done.

3. A way in the future 3 1/2 years. The new testament does talk about a 3 1/2 year period of tribulation in the future. Question is, is it a totally different 3 1/2 years than the 3 1/2 years that was left after Jesus' death?

I hold to #2 as it fits perfectly with Daniel 9:24-27. I hold to a 40 year gap from 486 1/2 years to the 490 years because the passage not only talks about the death of the Messiah but also the destruction of Jerusalem so it keeps with the context of the passage.

Great Tribulation coming upon the whole church will be 3 1/2 years as far as the persecution upon the entire church goes as many int he world have been under great tribulation since day one of being saved. Then God's wrath will be poured out with the plagues. Then Jesus the Son's wrath will be poured out at His return right after we are taking up.

How I see it.