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Thanks Rick. Of course, I understand that certain 'English' words needed to be used to closely interpret the original language & at times there would be limitations to its intended meaning simply because of the nature of languages. But I believe that we do have as best a translation as possible that can be totally relied upon & with ample supporting Scriptures throughout which we can use to cross-reference to learn the meaning.

But if you sense that words have been added or subtracted from the Bible to suit someone's whims & fancies, then we fall into the same trap as our Islamic accusers who believe that the Bible has been altered using the same accusation of addition & subtraction. When I ask proof from them, all they have is to compare it to the Quran & have no idea what biblical Scriptures have been changed or when the changes occurred.

I realize that you're not suggesting that, but that in a lesser way you suggest that there are word usages in the Bible that may not be in the original. Then again, the request has to be declared, 'Where are the changes in the Bible & how have they affected the Truth shared or our understanding of them?' I've re-looked at my references ( Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3, if these are the ones in your focus), & stand by in my understanding as given in the Word. What I would however like to read from someone, is that some other Scripture(s) has been found that should alter my understanding, to which I would be compelled to give due consideration. But thus far, with all my efforts (bar Robert Malit latterly), none have come forward. Disappointing.

Brother Robert,

Interesting.

So you believe if we say three "persons" in ONE is false.

But you say three "manifestations" in ONE is correct.

I really don't see the problem here. When saying three "persons", of the Godhead, it should be known this is of the Spirit of God. Not like three separate human flesh people. They are all ONE.

Although all through the Bible you have Jesus speaking and praying to His Father. The Father from Heaven speaking down unto His Son and Jesus speaking of the Comforter, Spirit of Truth, or Holy Ghost as "Him".

So if you believe that was just God from above talking down to Himself, and Jesus praying and talking to Himself, well that's how you perceive it.

Throughout the NT it seems pretty intertwining of the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Ghost being in you when saved. As they are ONE.

Of coarse God is in everything and knows everything about everyone whether saved or not.

I pray to God our Father and Jesus Christ as they are two. Even though I know they are ONE. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

So really Robert I don't see much differentiation in beliefs of the Lord. At least not enough to judge others and tell them they don't understand and are wrong. You say three "manifests" others say three "persons".

May we all come together in the Lord. God Bless.

Adam you really are a twister when it comes to scriptures, no debate is worthy , not even in the ball park Adam .

With out the spirit of truth, just about any form of doctrine is possible as you prove .

Thanks Robert for your detailed explanation. I can only deal with one aspect of what you have said & that is on the verses that show the Christ Jesus is now risen & is seated at God's right Hand. I've checked the Greek in each of the cited verses, & they show a physical position of 'sitting' (kathemenos), at the 'right hand' (dexion), & of 'God' (Theos).

You have written: "Explanation = "right hand of God" is an idiomatic expression that means "Power" or "Authority", not location". How have you arrived at this 'explanation', given that the original language specifically states that Jesus' position is 'seated', 'at God's right Hand', & beside 'God', which you state He's no longer there, because Jesus is now God?

An idiom is something quite different: such as "hang one's head (in shame)", or to "kick the bucket", where clearly it is an expression to attract a response, an action. That Christ rose in victory over death & for our justification before God is seen in Romans 4:24,25: "But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." By transliteration: 'To us also, that our faith shall be imputed for righteousness (v 22), if we believe on God Who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, being delivered for our sins & raised that we might be justified by God'.

And then in Hebrews 10:12: "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God". The same thought is expressed that Christ rose from the dead by God's Power & took up his rightful place at the Father's right Hand. This can't be an idiomatic expression, as the existence of the Person of God is present, who raised Jesus from the dead, God had to be fully satisfied (Christ was our propitiation for sins) & God could only then justify us - no other event could secure us. God is present & Jesus at His right Hand receiving worship.

Another explanation of the Godhead - One God name Jesus

Another explanation of Jesus as God, Spirit, Word, other titles:

An example, a man: he can be a "husband" to his wife, (did his number change? No), he can be a "father" to his children and at the same time, a "President" of his company and boss of his employees; the man has 3 different titles serving different functions, yet being the same person. So with the Godhead: 3 titles or functions or manifestations but the same one God.

Another example: imagine yourself to possess the power to transform into different creatures. One day you want to swim in the ocean, you changed to a fish. After you become a fish, did your number multiply? No, you simply became a fish. Now, you want to fly in the sky, you changed into a bird. Did your number multiply? Again no. Then you changed into an ox to graze through the grassland. Still your number didn't multiply into two or three beings but changed into the creature you wanted to be. The mystery behind the Godhead is as simple as this. Why do we have to complicate things?

Dear Robert,

I like the format and numbers you used in your comment. I just don't agree with your interpretation.

For instance "2.God the Son - is not found in the Bible," except it absolutely is found in the Bible. Have you read the book of John chapter 1? "The Word was God" is very clear. It's so clear it's hard to debate, it would almost be dishonest to conclude that the Word "was not" God. To me, that's no different than a serpent slithering up to and saying to ignore this verse, that instead it's "not" God. I trust the Bible and it is 100% clear what that means. So, let's say that someone then claims "Well, the Word isn't Jesus though, cause it could still be the Father." Nope. The Bible already answered that in advance too if you look at verse 14. It says He was made flesh and dwelled among us and refers to His "father." That narrows it down so much that there is zero other options than it being Jesus.

Jesus is God and He's different than the Father. Even then if someone denies the book of John there even MORE verses which support the same conclusion. When you then have a mountain of evidence that says the same thing, it starts building a case for a certain understanding of reality. Then for the holy spirit you have verses like Isaiah 61:1 that says the holy spirit is The Spirit of the Lord GOD. So that debunks the claim that the holy spirit "isn't God." A trinity then seems like an appropriate word to explain the relationship. People often get caught up in terminology, like how can one be another but separate at the same time. An apple has parts like skin, inner juicy part, and seeds and each is an Apple, but each has a different role. The Bible is clear in how it describes the relationship. So, denying it just seems like denying an apple. God bless...

Not disagreeing with you on concerning the trinity God has always been eternal and omnipomnipresent all powerful and all knowing and spirit to say that Jesus Christ is spirit and all powerful and everywhere present show me that also gift of holy spirit came on day of Pentecost given to all who choose to believe for first time in history birthday of church also one other point nowhere in the gospels does either the devil or devil spirits call him God they call Him Son of God and if anybody knew who he is it would surely be his arch enemy.

Are you sure your comment is to me? For me to lighten up??

I understand Rick. However, my reply was to Robert Malit who has made some interesting comments that I seek clarification on. And it's true, that the Doctrine of the Trinity is complex & beyond our human comprehension, as we've never seen or experienced anything like it in our earthly sojourn (apart from applying some weak examples to describe it).

But what we do understand of it that's found in the Word is worthy of discussion, understanding & acceptance. The real question then is: if Jesus isn't an indivisible part of the Godhead (whether pre or post incarnation), does that belief affect our faith in any way, God's acceptance of us & indeed our salvation? If the answer is "No", our deliberations on this doctrine are indeed wasted. But if "Yes", it's important that we believe what Scripture, as written, says about it for our learning & for the basis & truth of our faith. Then 2 John 1:7 becomes a very cutting Word to us, as clearly John speaks of those who don't acknowledge Jesus (as God's Word) has come in the flesh - the same thought he carries through from his Gospel. There are many today, as in those early Church days, who denied the deity of Christ: they certainly believed in an historical Jesus (they saw & heard Him), but to know & believe that this One of God came out of God, is blasphemy to them & reveals a 'different' spirit of utterance.

However, I never pursue this, or any other teaching, with those who would refrain; but if a comment is made, then it is proper that the Scriptures are properly exegeted in support, or else we are just mouthing empty words into the air that may well be the cause of ignorance & diversion from the Truth for many seeking help in the Word. Blessings to you.

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Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere; omniscient - knows everything and anything; unchanging - never change, time and space doesn't affect him; eternal - everlasting, has no beginning nor ending;

Time Perspective:

Old Testament

Adam to Noah = 1,656 years

Adam to Joseph = 2,513 years

Adam to King Solomon = 4,008 years

Explanation = "right hand of God" is an idiomatic expression that means "Power" or "Authority", not location

Another explanation: for Trinity 3 persons in 1 God: (only 1/3 true; 2/3 false)

1.God the Father - is found in the Bible,

2.God the Son - is not found in the Bible,

3.God the Holy Spirit - is not found in the Bible.

In the Old Testament, the name of God was kept secret. But, Prophet Isaiah prophesied the #2 manifestation of God, and this was fulfilled when a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost - a child born name Jesus - to saved the people of God.

God has manifested himself 3 times in 3 different time frames, not 3 persons.

Explanation for God the Father: #1 manifestation = God a Spirit in Old Testament, #2 manifestation = humbled himself in the flesh as a man name Jesus - suffered, shed blood for remission of sins of man; died, buried, risen, #3 manifestation = ascended into heaven sent Holy Spirit down to indwell in our hearts.

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

Sir I fully understand what you are saying yes depending on whos reading it punctuation changes themeaning as do center references and chapters, I in no way shape or reasoning or idea am I trying to get someone to believe my personal belief system. The apostle Paul who was given the revelation for the church and how it is supposed to function and operate and to this day there are individuals who argue water baptism or holy spirit or both, is speaking in tongues right or wrong, the apostle paul went up against the same thing and no I'm not advocating I'm as spiritual as he give me a break but it says in the timothy epistles that all of asia turn away from him and followed other doctrines and that was only about 70 years after pentecost so if you choose to believe that what we have in translation is word for word what these men were given by God thats fine with me your choice. By the way an example of poor translation which doesn't fit, on the cross Jesus Christ said the words eli eli lama sabbachthani that is to say my Gog my God why has thou forsaken me. Now since Jesus Christ always did the will of his father and told his disciples my father is always with me and his purpose was to buy us back by giving himself I.E. sinless blood you can't seperate that now we look look up those words back in old testament actual translation is my God my God for this purpose was I kept or spared you tell me what makes more sense. Again I've met people who were shown this and won't teach it because most people won't believe it and thats there privilege.

There are many, many, parallels in the book of Enoch to the Holy Bible.

In "The Book of Parables" from Enoch it elaborates on the Son of Man, The Chosen One, or Messiah(I believe Jesus Christ) to be with, or in the presence of, The Most High, Lord of Spirits, or Ancient "Head" of Days(I believe God Almighty).

And at that hour that Son of Man was named, in the presence of the Lord of Spirits, and His name brought to the Head of Days.



Even before the sun and the constellations were created, before the stars of Heaven were made, His name was named in front of the Lord of Spirits.

He will be a staff to the righteous and the Holy, so that they may lean on Him and not fall, and He will be the Light of the Nations, and He will be the hope of those who grieve in their hearts.



All those who dwell upon the dry ground will fall down and worship in front of Him, and they will bless, and praise the name of the Lord of Spirits.

And because of this He was chosen, and hidden in front of Him, before the World was created, and forever.

For the Chosen One stands in front of the Lord of Spirits. As His Glory is for ever and ever, and His Power for all generations.

You powerful kings who dwell upon the dry ground will be obliged to watch my Chosen One sit down on the throne of My Glory, and judge, in the Name of the Lord of Spirits

And in Him dwell the Spirit of wisdom, and the Spirit of understanding, and the Spirit of knowledge and power, and the Spirit of righteousness.

And He will judge the things that are secret, and no one will be able to say an idle word in front of Him, for He has been chosen in front of the Lord of Spirits, in accordance with His wish.

For He is powerful in all the secrets of righteousness and iniquity will pass away like a shadow, and will have no existence; for the Chosen One stands in front of the Lord of Spirits and His Glory is for ever and ever, and His Power for all generations.

If God and Jesus are the same who is this?

Dear Rick, it sounded like you were trying to discredit the Bible in your earlier comment about "there are a number of places where things were added or subtracted to fit what they thought it mean't."

You were then asked to prove it, and you only said the original scrolls didn't have some punctuation. In other words, it sounds like you agree the KJV is a translation. Translations are called translations because no 2 languages are a perfect match. But if someone is trying to discredit the Bible by saying its translated then I will call out that logical fallacy.

To illustrate this, let's say someone said 'quiero' in Spanish and you translated it into 'I want' in English. Let's say someone then learns that the translation had the "I" 'added' to it so he calls you a liar and tells everyone to not believe you. Would that be a false assumption? Yes, it would. You mentioned punctuation. Does punctuation change the meaning or does it simply preserve the accuracy of the translation? Hebrew is read right to left. So, someone could also use a similar logical fallacy to say that the Bible has radically been 'changed' and 'altered' and can't be 'trusted' because it was translated to be read completely backwards as the original. Again, it was made accurate in English. Extremely accurate. Word for word direct translation to the most precise degree. Italicized words make the sentence complete in English and is a necessary part of the translation. In my earlier example of "I want" the I would be italicized if it were KJV, because it was a necessary part to make the sentence complete. It's not that some random guy just wanted to add random words for selfish reasons. So, if you didn't intend to attempt to discredit the Bible with this that's fine, but if you're telling others to not trust the Bible because it was translated, that would be very wrong.

If you choose too believe that the translations of Gods Word are completely accurate and as God gave it when holy men of God spake, know this that in the original writings their were no periods no chapter headings, no commas, and the italicesed words were not in original text. Thats why they were called scrolls. Now when you get into that kind of research also the bible is an eastern book which has a lot of eastern thought to be understood, I am in no sense challenging what someone else believes or has been taught, that being said if Gods word which is perfect as originally given its really neat to see it fit and work. Gods Peace be with you

So Chris not defending myself but you know that the kjv. Is a translation that came out from the Greek Hebrew and Aramaic and They were 66 writers involved and even that the original scrolls had no capital letters chapter headings or commas periods none of that. That being said and trust me this in no is diminishing the absolute divine Authority of the Greatness of God's Perfect Word it enhances it to a phenomenal degree. If you would like an example I'd be glad to give you one. Just lighten up is all I ask

Hi Rick, I'm politely calling you out on the following false statement you wrote: "there are a number of places where things were added or subtracted to fit what they thought it mean't". People can say all kinds of things for various motives. Obviously when you come to a Bible website and try to discredit the Bible with no proof it seems a bit shady. So, where's your proof- go ahead and lay it out. All of it. I already know in advance whatever you bring forth will be false assumptions and misunderstandings about the Bible, as there are many I've heard before, but I still want to be open to what you consider to be true. And through doing so, all I ask is that you likewise be open to a response and a different point of view. Then you can think it through, pray about it, and come to a conclusion on what you think is the truth. Fair enough?

Chris its rick don't begin to think that everything in the kjv or any other translation was in the original text there are a number of places where things were added or subtracted to fit what they thought it mean't

Chris I don't get into the discussion of the trinity because there are too many ideas and opinions as to what it is and how it works.

William, "the whole armor of God without going through the whole Bible" Whole, means just that, the whole word of God. Wouldn't you be unprepared if what you needed was what you overlooked? Armor requires maintenance, whether cleaning mud from the feet, adjusting the grips of the shield or chin strap of the helmet, or sharpening the sword. The prepared soldiers are those seeing to the details of their gear, and in doing so, develop a confidence in the effectiveness of that gear. The battle will come to you, what's your hurry,or, are you already being thrashed? I will pray for you, that is, as shoulder to shoulder on the battle front.

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

Cris - in Genesis 1:26 pronoun "us & our" were used, because there were cherubim present. You left out Genesis 1:27 which says this: Notice used of singular pronoun (he & his)= Verse 27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." the reason for the change in pronouns is because God is the only that created man, and all things. The cherubim were there as messengers of God.

In the Old Testament, only Titles were used for God whose name was kept secret.

God, Spirit, LORD, Word, Redeemer of Israel, Holy One of Israel, Adonai, Yahweh, El Shaddai, Creator, Deliverer, Elohim, I AM,

Prophesy of Prophet Isaiah:

Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

God is a Spirit - without blood, water, flesh, bones, is invisible to the naked eye. God humbled himself, manifested himself in the flesh a man name Jesus, who suffered, shed blood on the cross to cleanse man from sins, died on the cross, buried then rose from the dead on 3rd day, ascended into heaven, sent the Holy Spirit to indwell in our hearts = gifted us eternal life or salvation.

Jesus is the name above all names, all the titles used in the Old Testament and New Testament belongs to Jesus only. So Jesus is God and God is Jesus - no other God. Those who preach the Trinity are misleading people, preaching a gospel that contradict the true gospel of Jesus during his earthly ministry with his 12 apostles.

In summary = God in creation Old Testament; God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus.

In the New Testament, these titles were used;

God the Father, Son of God, Son of man, Christ, Holy Spirit, Savior, Messiah, First and Last,

In Hebrews 9:22 - 22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

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d. shield of Faith: when the enemy's arrows of fear & doubt come at us, our faith fully established in the One Who is altogether Faithful & True, will be our shield to bounce those arrows off.

e. helmet (for the head) of salvation: a direct hit here would kill us in an instant - but Christ's salvation has saved us & will continue to save us in our battle for our hearts & minds.

f. sword of the Spirit: our only offensive weapon which we use adeptly sending out our thrusts of God's Word against the enemy (as Jesus did & withstood Satan saying, "It is written").

g. praying always in the Spirit: unlike the warrior who hopes he will come out alive from the battle, our victory is always certain as we always seek the Lord when the conflict rages, engaging Heaven's host when the going gets a little tough. The Spirit of God is never far away & comes when we call for help, in faith.

Those are just some of my thoughts to guide you William. Remember, if the enemy does get through your armour that means that you've not put it on or you have left yourself exposed in some way to his attack. If you're fully dressed, nothing of Satan can harm you. You may stumble - you may squirm at an arrow of temptation hitting you, but you cast it off & march on. To this advance, Satan trembles. But don't relax - he's lurking in the darkness awaiting another opportunity.

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Reading & understanding the whole Bible may help you to better understand the ways of God & the Devil & learn from it, but to use the armour of God as given in Ephesians 6:10-18 is your outline for full spiritual combat & defence that the Spirit of God equips every soldier engaged in Christian warfare.

The Apostle Paul, had a good look at a Roman soldier's outfit as they probably often marched through public places. Paul being the astute man that he was, saw the clear similarities of the soldier's armour so prepared to engage a visible enemy, to what the Christian should also wear as he battles the invisible enemy. And indeed, "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (man-made) but mighty through God (God-given) to the pulling down of strong holds" ( 2 Corinthians 10:4).

So Paul tells us to put on the WHOLE armour of God - any piece missing gives an opportunity to the enemy to score a strike. This armour suggests a close combat situation, unlike modern warfare where little of this is seen as battles are conducted over great distance. So we're reminded that the spiritual forces against us are nearby & ever ready to engage us in an instant.

a. loins (the waist area) strapped with Truth: Truth holds our body armour in place; we must keep Truth tightly fastened, cherish it & let it be our defence as we face the taunts & lies of the enemy.

b. breastplate (covering the chest) of Righteousness: we are made righteous only through Jesus Christ & so clothed with His Righteousness, our hearts are protected & kept secure in His Love.

c. footwear of Peace: not just the foot but also the leg are protected. Where Satan would love to cause us to stumble or render us lame in our warfare, our feet are so shod with the Peace & Joy of Christ's salvation that our forward march is both careful & considered as we approach an enemy full of anger & rushing about as a roaring devouring lion. We are a different enemy, where peace & joy rule our hearts & so we approach him.

Robert. Just to clarify: Genesis 1:26a, "And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness". With your added reference to Ezekiel 10:19, I gather you're stating that it wasn't Jesus (the Word) in "us", but God is speaking of the cherubim. So God used these heavenly beings to assist in the creation of mankind. Interesting.

What would you do with Colossians 1:16,17: "For by him (Jesus is spoken of here as we see before & after these verses) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." How does this fit in with the cherub activity in creation?

John 1:1-3. I don't understand your point. What are the changes in the Bible versions (NKJV & ESV) you see? Is it the use of the words, "by" & "through", as in "All things were made by Him, or through Him". I can see the difference in meaning, but the intent is the same: that it was the Word of God that participated in creation with God (whether the creating work was from the Word or through the Word) and this Word was subsequently made human & His Glory was seen, as One come out of God (v 14). I await your clarification.

I would suggest reading the NT for a better understanding, but Ephesians chapter 6 tells us about putting on the whole armour of God, I hope this is what your looking for.

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 might be what you're looking for.

I think I get what you mean, but it's not that simple. These were the armor(or armour, as it's spelled in kjv) pieces:

helmet of salvation (protects your most vital part)

breastplate of righteousness (righteousness protects your heart from evil)

loins girt with truth (having a base of truth gives you the center on which to build on)

feet shod with preparation of the gospel of peace (to run away quickly from temptations)

shield of faith (to withstand all of satan's fiery darts)

sword of the spirit (the only offensive weapon, prayer)

You can't exactly put on the armor of God without studying the word of truth and growing your relationship with Him. You have to sharpen your sword and repair your shield and armor before going into battle. This is done by growing in understanding and faith, which comes from studying the word of God.

Putting on the whole armour of God is learning and walking on His word that sir is a lifelong deal because we who are imperfect ate endeavoring to put on perfection Gods word, remember Jesus Christ respose to the devil during the temptations in luke 4 everytime it is written handing over the authority to His Father and our Father.

i'm trying to understand your point Robert and why so angry.