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Hi Chris, Thank you for the explanation.

Going in another direction. I am reading 1st Peter 3 and I have a questions regarding verses 20-21. Specifically, I understand that the flood and the 8 men that were saved from the flood represented water baptism, but I do not completely understand the passage of: "baptism doth also save us...but the answer of a good conscience toward God...". Can you explain this section of verse 21.

Worship and the importants of it spritual and biblical.

Genesis 21:23

"Now therefore swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me, nor with my son, nor with my son's son: but according to the kindness that I have done unto thee, thou shalt do unto me, and to the land wherein thou hast sojourned." .................AND I PRAY YOU GET OVER YOUR ILLNESS TO SLEEP WITH MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS.......

High places in the OT are associated with worshipping idols, most often false gods. The Canaanites worshipped their gods on high places which were basically hills that were sometimes artificially made for that purpose. These hills would often have some sort of altar at the top, surrounded by groves of trees and Asherah poles, pillars, or standing stones. Their worship often consisted of burnt offerings, incense, feasts and festivals, cult prostitution, and child sacrifice.

God had often warned His people of imitating the heathen in these practises but only confine themselves at the prescribed places for worship. Even after the Tabernacle was built, where God met with the High Priest at the Ark of the Testimony, & later the building of the Temple by Solomon, people still through the years resorted to creating their own worship places.

Today, some religions still have their worship structures built at higher elevations. Some examples are: The great Pagoda atop Thailand's Doi Inthanon mountain; Taung Kalat Monastery in Myanmar (Burma); The Hanging Temple in Shanxi, China; The Roussanou Monastery in Greece; Saint-Michel d'Aiguilhe Chapel in France. By building these, the structures not only become central & visible to all & a focus of veneration & worship, but also give the sense of being closer to God. All these things detract from knowing & worshipping the True God.

But to the child of God, the Lord desires that the 'high places' in our thoughts & deep in our hearts be removed. That is, anything that would substitute for the lordship of God in our lives, where we give Him equal or second place in how we think & behave, rather than the first place. The NT speaks against being 'high minded': Romans 11:20, 1 Timothy 6:17, 2 Timothy 3:4 all show that such a state of mind & behaviour are contrary to the desires of God for us. Rather, to be like His Son: Philippians 2:3-11.

Is it a sin if i dated daughter but fell in love with mother and started seeing her?

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As was said of Jesus, that He would have His heritage in Eve, of Abraham, of Jesse, made like unto his brethren, the root and offspring of David, tells me that as Mary had this Divine Seed developing in her, being nourished, experiencing all the normal feelings & movements of the Babe within & even bringing Him out in the normal way, is proof sufficient that this Holy Seed brought into the world by Mary had every right & claim to the Davidic line through Mary (& Joseph).

Does then the absence of a 'bloodline' preclude Jesus being what was claimed of Him? Would it be sufficient that a wholly Divine Jesus, born through a human agent, could be included in the lineage all the way back to Adam? Or, if there was a "bloodline" through Mary, would Jesus have a sinful nature as well? Aspects worthy of some thought to Jesus' qualification not only to be wholly Divine but also to His human descendancy.

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Thanks for your input Bendito. The reference to 'seed' of course does mean as you suggested, but we have to allow for a wider meaning as prescribed from the Hebrew: which is, 'zera', & this includes 'child, descendant, posterity, race, etc.', as seen in other Scriptures showing this (e.g. Genesis 12:7 & others).

So we could read as you state that the Embryo that was Jesus in Mary's womb, was of her seed coupled with the Divine, or as I believe, that she only carried God's Seed to be brought out into the world. If she supplied her seed for the Word of God to become flesh, then Jesus would have been tainted with the sinful nature of humanity as I don't believe that Mary was sinless. To say that Jesus wouldn't have been so tainted then denies the transmission of the sin nature throughout humanity. Now I know that some believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature & during His testings with Satan & throughout His earthly sojourn, He resisted Satan so that He wouldn't feed that Nature & commit sin. I don't know if you subscribe to this view, but I believe that Jesus didn't have such a nature but His testings from Satan were to instil such a nature in Him as was done to Adam & Eve.

You also state: "Else he would have not truly been the Son of Man, but another life form." I couldn't quite get my head around this one: I understand that a human being can only be one from both the male & female contributions. If one part was of the Divine & the other human, does this also constitute a human being? Or, if both parts were Divine, could a human be formed in such manner? Or seen in another way, if God could create Adam from dust & Eve from his rib, can God not produce another human only from His compilation of seed(s)?

What is meant by the High places in the Old Testament and what are some examples of present Day High places?

My belief is that Mary, by the grace of God, supplied the ovum necessary for the Word to become flesh. Else he would have not truly been the Son of Man, but another life form.

According to scripture, Jesus Christ would be the seed of the woman, the root of Jesse, the seed of Abraham, made like unto his brethren, the root and offspring of David.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( Genesis 3:15)

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. ( Isaiah 7:14)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. ( Isaiah 11:10)

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. ( Hebrews 2:16-17)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. ( Revelation 22:16)

You're referring now to one of my favourite Bible NT Books, so I'll try & contain myself sharing a bit of the background & answers to your questions.

The Book was written to Christians who were mainly of Jewish background, hence they needed to see from the Scriptures & understand why Jesus was greater in every way being the only suitable Sacrifice for us & to not apostatize by reverting back to Judaism or Jewish thought. Therefore, the Hebrews writer (possibly, Paul), endeavours to show Christ's superiority & of Christianity.

Jesus was superior to the Prophets (1:1-4); to the Angels (1:5 - 2:18); to Moses (3:1-6); & to the Priesthood (5:1 - 10:39). To the Priesthood: Jesus did not come in the line of the priests of old (i.e. through the Levite tribe): He came through David & Judah & yet He came fulfilling the position of Priest. The Hebrews writer explains that Jesus' position exceeded the position & work of the priests: the priests had to offer sacrifices for their sins & for the people, but Jesus fulfilled the role of a High Priest from Heaven, by offering up Himself as the Sacrifice (7:27) & also presently doing a mediating Work in Heaven on our behalf (8:1).

So if Jesus had no earthly qualification to be Priest, it had to be from another. So the typology is taken from King Melchisedec who was a King & served as a priest to his people in Salem (later, Jerusalem). Since there was no record of this king's birth, family or death, Jesus is likened to such an one who served as a priest without coming from a Levitical background. So in Hebrews chap 7, 'perfection' was not realized from the earthly priests (ordained from the 'law of a carnal commandment'), but from one such as Melchisedec (by the authority of an 'endless life', a type of 'eternal existence' of the man Melchisedec).

That Jesus did not sin had nothing to do with 7:16, but that Jesus withstood Satan who determined to make Jesus fail as the eternal Saviour, giving us no further way to salvation.

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the detailed response. I have a better understanding of why Jesus was not sinful.

So you had referenced Heb 4:15 and I have been reviewing this passage along with Heb 7. In particular I noticed that Jesus was referenced as a High Priest through the power of a life that cannot be destroyed ( Heb 7:16). I have 2 questions:

1. Is it though this power of a life that cannot be destroyed that explains why Jesus cannot sin (or did not have a sinful nature?

2. I do not know or understand the backstory of the high priests. Specifically in Heb. 7: 15-28, what was wrong with the old system that required Jesus to be the ultimate high priest?

That's a great question Danae. It is one that has brought on many discussions & ideas over the years.

My belief is this: you're right that Mary & Joseph were ordinary human beings, though of course special as they were selected by God to bring forth His Son into the World. And in their humanity, they, like us, were born with a sin nature passed onto us from our first parents. And they would have sinned as well, though some would teach that they (specifically Mary) did not, since they were in every respect human as we are.

So why wouldn't baby Jesus also receive a sin nature like all of us? I see it this way: neither Mary or Joseph contributed to the conception of the babe. That is, Joseph certainly wasn't the father & Mary did not contribute her ovum to this conception. The Bible says in Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

I understand this verse to say that God, by His Spirit overshadowed Mary & placed this Holy Seed (one entirely from God without human intervention) into Mary's womb. So this Seed had not the nature that is passed down through mankind - it is a pure & Holy Seed. So couldn't God just zap Jesus onto the Earth & avoid all this human involvement? Well, the Scriptures speak of this Holy One coming, Who would be the Messiah, born in humanity ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13; Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2), so Jesus was born in fulfilment of all Scriptures, even the Sacrifices which spoke about His redemptive work. Yet, Jesus' Birth was without a sin nature so that He could ultimately be the Perfect Spotless Sacrifice for mankind. So Jesus was tempted of Satan ( Matthew 4:1-11), not to commit sin since He had no sin nature, but Satan wanted to cause the sin nature to be a part of Jesus, just as he did to Adam & Eve. But Jesus resisted this attempt & remained pure ( Hebrews 4:15).

Did Jesus ever ask his Apostles to ask for forgiveness? And yet they made alot of mistakes in the present of Jesus this one guy said to me.

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Someone once mentioned to me that Jesus was not born into sin. But since Mary and Joseph were born into the world, they were born into sin, even if they never committed sinned. Doesn't that still mean that both Mary and Joseph were of a sinful nature? And wouldn't that mean that Jesus being born into the world, would be born into sin or born to have a sinful nature even though He is God?

Should a Christian get involved in politics?

Hades in Greek, or Sheol in Hebrew, is generally defined in these three ways:

a. the Grave. A place of bodily rest & decay. Acts 2:29-31.

b. a place of punishment for the wicked. Luke 16:20-23; Matthew 11:23.

c. a temporary place for the righteous dead. Luke 16:23-26. The Luke account seems to indicate that hades had two areas separating the righteous from the wicked in death. But after Jesus' death & resurrection, the righteous are no longer held there, being justified by faith, for which the Cross provided the means now which they didn't have before Christ's death.

Hades will always oppose Christ's Church ( Matthew 16:18); it must be distinguished from being just synonymous with death ( Revelation 6:8); it will one day be destroyed ( Revelation 20:13,14); Jesus has the 'keys' to it ( Revelation 1:18); & it is remains now only a temporary place of the unbelieving dead, as the Apostle Paul believed that Hades would not be his destiny, but Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:8).

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Your comment is appreciated Hugo. Indeed, the Church has been blessed with many gifted with abilities from God. And prophecy was one of them. Some would argue the prophetical content of those so gifted: are they establishing the published prophecies in the Word, or are they proclaiming something added to existing prophecies, or even something totally new as some have been prophesying on future events from present news. To this, I am very concerned & of course, the truth of the prophecy can be verified by its outcome: Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

The Bible, in totality, is God's Word, past, present & future, to mankind. Prophets in the past have received God's Word directly to them which they have faithfully passed on. Others such as the apostles, in the new Church age, took up those prophecies & shed further light on them as they were led of the Spirit. Sometimes, they declared a 'mystery', something which was not revealed or clearly seen before (e.g. Romans 11:25, 1 Corinthians 15:51, 2 Thessalonians 2:7, & others). And the union of believing Jew & Gentile in Christ's Church is seen today in full measure.

In the Church now, which has the whole counsel of God in the Word & by His Spirit, any prophetical utterance has to be seen & tested by what has already been revealed. The fear that I expressed concerns the volume of cults & other God-centric religions that proclaim & prophesy matters that are not in the Bible, even anti-biblical & anti-Christian in content. And we also have a plethora of those who want to tingle our ears with something new so that we might be drawn to their 'prophecies or delusions', even donating money to keep their ministry going & our accepting them as fact rather than seeing them as 'an opinion', yet to be verified. Where is that "one prophet" of God out of a 1000 false ones that will make our hearts & spirits burn with joy & hope, rather than tingle our ears with nonsense? Blessings & peace on you too brother.

Wesley's Notes for Deuteronomy 18:9

18:8 Like portions - With their brethren who were in actual ministration: as they share with them in the work, so shall they in the encouragements. Beside that which cometh - The reason of this law was, because he that waited on the altar, ought to live by the altar: and because it was fit he should keep his money, wherewith he might redeem what he sold, if afterwards he saw occasion for it. Mr. Henry adds a remarkable note here: especially considering he wrote threescore years ago. A hearty, pious zeal to serve God and his church, tho' it may a little encroach upon a settled order, and there may be somewhat in it that looks irregular, yet ought to be gratified, and not discouraged. He that loves dearly to be employed in the service of the sanctuary: in God's name let him minster. He shall be as welcome to God as the Levites, whose course it was to minister, and should be so to them.

18:10 Useth divination - Foretelleth things secret or to come, by unlawful arts and practices. An observer of times - Superstitiously pronouncing some days lucky, and others unlucky. Or, an observer of the clouds or heavens, one that divineth by the motions of the clouds, by the stars, or by the flying or chattering of birds, all which Heathens used to observe. An enchanter - Or, a conjurer , that discovers hidden things by a superstitious use of words or ceremonies, by observation of water or smoke or any contingencies. A witch - One that is in covenant with the devil.

18:11 A charmer - One that charmeth serpents or other cattle. Or, a fortune - teller, that foretelleth the events of men's lives by the conjunctions of the stars. Spirits - Whom they call upon by certain words or rites. A wizard - Heb. a knowing man, who by any forbidden way's undertakes the revelation of secret things. A necromancer - One that calleth up and enquireth of the dead.

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I do not want to be contrary, but there are scriptures that are coming to mind.

Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

God says by his prophet that he will tell his people (Israel) what is to come to pass before it happens. Things coming to pass would include both the blessings and judgement. No prophet from between Malachi and Jesus has predicted the extreme and severe and by my heart horrific events that many Jewish believers have suffered.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like

unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

This Prophet , Jesus, fulfilled this passage. It is from this Prophet, Jesus Christ on that will predict what is yet to come to pass before it passes for all people including all Jews and Gentiles.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Psalms 22:16-18 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:5-7 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 11:2-9 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25-26 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Messiah came. On the day he was crucified, well over 100 prophesies about him had bee fulfilled. You compare those prophesies with the recorded historical account of that time.

Here's that 3rd Eye scripture. Just because you put a red dot on your face doesn't mean it's from God.

Ask someone who was rescued out of the occult! What goes around comes back around: that's karma. Occult!

Read your Bible as is. That's your revelation. Every time you read the book of Revelation, you get a blessing from God.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12

There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices DIVINATION tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

People be aware. There will be many false Christ's, false prophets, people who say they have a new revelation. God hates that stuff.

If you would ask the Holy Spirit to TEACH you the Bible.....you'd wake up raring to hit the Bible hard every day! Can't no one Teach like the Holy Spirit can.

If you want to learn the deep things of God, then be willing to log in many many hours studying with the Holy Spirit! He WANTS to teach you. THEN, He wants you to teach it to others. No interpretation is just for private.

Ask the Holy Spirit about that 3rd eye thing and then sit before him, stilled, until He replies.

If Satan can't get us on heroin, he'll find all kinds of newfangled theories to waste time pondering on. Look up that scripture in the search box: "Your adversary the Devil..."

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They shall have like portions to eat, beside that which cometh of the sale of his patrimony. What is this?

the false prophet.

Irene, You post many true things. I read them all but, If Aaron was a Levite, then his Brother Moses was also a Levite, both sons of Levi.

Verse 10~This shows the hatred that Jehovah God has for child sacrifice and for any magic or things dealing with the bad spirit forces.