Discuss Deuteronomy 34

Hi GiGi,

Your post is on point, fulfilling the Law and the Prophets, Jesus and Paul used that saying many times. This is not to generate a back-and-forth; just thought you might want to look at it. I agree the transformation was awesome and like you said we have the law and the prophets and the Messiah in the middle a true picture of the fulfillment of scriptures by the Messiah, Jesus.

I have heard it said by many, Moses and Elijah were there and were alive and I have a hard time understanding that. Does it matter? This was before the resurrection of Jesus and Jesus is the firstfruits of those who slept, 1 Cor. 15:20. So, before Jesus defeated death and was resurrected no person who ever lived had not ascended to heaven, John 3:13.

Paul tells us in Acts 2:29,34 David is dead and buried and has not ascended to heaven. How do we explain Enoch and Elijah being taken? There are some things about that like them being the two witnesses, but I do not know, by the scriptures, I have not found it. But if Moses, after he died, Deuteronomy 34:1-5, was taken up to heaven Jesus would not be the firstfruits.

We see this in Matt. 17:9 Mark 9:9 Jesus said it was a vision and do not tell anyone what they saw and in Luke 9:32 they were heavy with sleep and John did not write about it. All three covered the cloud, (the Shekinah Glory), and what God said, "This is my beloved Son: hear him." Peter also repeats it in 2 Peter 1:15-18. Was it a vision? Was it to reinforce their faith?

Like I said, this is not to start a ruckus, I just cannot get an understanding of Moses and Elijah alive and being there when John wrote this after Jesus had ascended, because he said Jesus was in heaven; only Jesus who came down is the only one who has ascended to heaven, John 3:13.

In love thank you for what you do.

God bless,

RLW

On this day Sabbath oct,15th, 2022, Such Wisdom and Truth, has been the shining Forth, of the Word's of the prophets, in the latter days to Be. I ponder, at the coming of Last day of feasts of 'Tabernacle', Might it BE? the calling of, the in gathering, to BE 'caught up,' in the Air

and to Meet and to Be, Everlasting, with Messiah, Yeshuah, Jesus, our savior, our redeemer, and salvation. I am 'watchful' 'Waiting' for His coming, The Last day of the Feast of Tabernacles

The, Faithful with Hope? and I shall Stand, Upon the holy Word, of the sword of the spirit, and NOT be MOVED!

Elee

Hi Spencer

pt 3

Regarding speaking to the Lord face to face...

There are more than one instance where the Bible records this happened...

And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, ( Deuteronomy 34:10)

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. ( Genesis 32:30)

Jacob boldly says, And my life is perserved...

Why else would Jacob say, And my life is preserved?

And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou LORD art among this people, that thou LORD art seen face to face, ( Numbers 14:14)

And the Bible commands us to seek His face...

When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek. . ( Psalms 27:8)

Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore. ( Psalms 105:4)

Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually. ( 1 Chronicles 16:11)

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. ( 2 Chronicles 7:14)

The Mormons have a book of Scripture that tells us how Moses and others saw God face to face and lived.

Mormon Scripture says the only way man can see God face to face and live is to be out of the body having God's priesthood.

That explains the contradiction.

Mae,

That is my understanding from the account of Moses' death and burial in Deuteronomy 34:1-7 It says God buried Moses in the valley in the land of Moab, perhaps below Mt. Nebo where he last spoke with God.

This is my best version in the bible

This is a fascinating thing. I heard a sermon one time saying the words spoken about "if someone sees the face of GOD they cannot live" he said "they cannot live, the same" Is this the question you're looking deeper into? Genesis 32:20,30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 34:28-30,35,

It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,

Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.

Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"

What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.

Psalms 139, Job 4:15,

Hopefully this is helpful

Responding to ELB,

1John 4:1-20,

Genesis 41:8, Genesis 45:27, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 28:3, Exodus 35:12, Numbers 14:24, Deuteronomy 2:30, Deuteronomy 34:9, Joshua 5:1, Proverbs 18:14, Ezekiel 1:20, Romans 8:14-16, Haggi 1:14,

Isaiah 11:2,

Leviticus 20:27, Numbers 5:14,30,

Numbers 11:17,25,

Judges 9:23,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi Denise.

Those two along with Moses would be the front runners according to most people, but who knows?

Here's the verse why some say Elijah and Enoch. Hebrews 9:27.

They attach Moses because of the plagues is like the plagues in Egypt.

Mose died in Deuteronomy 34:5.

God bless.

If you want to read about the account & additional scriptures leading up to it. Numbers 20:12,23, Numbers 27:12-23, Deuteronomy 31,

Deuteronomy 32:45-52, Deuteronomy 33:1, Deuteronomy 34:1-8, Jude 1:9,

Hopefully these are helpful

Verse 10-Moses enjoyed such open and frequent communication with Jehovah God.

Hi Marie. The essence of Jude verse 9 is that Michael, the Archangel, dared not bring a railing accusation against the devil. We know this because of Jude's earlier warnings of wicked men (verse 4) who crept into the Church, teaching wrong doctrine & turning God's Grace into lasciviousness (unrestrained sexual behaviour). And these same 'filthy dreamers' (v 8) despise dominion & speak evil of dignities. And so Jude gives the example of Michael who dared not rail accusations against the Devil, though he had every right to do so, rather said "The Lord rebuke thee".

So that's all we know from this Book: Jude's warning to the readers of his epistle to be aware of such wickedness entering the Church. Re the occasion of the body of Moses, we know nothing about this event: what was the problem here, what was the accusation or what was reason for even bringing it up? Was it to do with the fact that God (by His angel?) buried Moses rather than being done by man ( Deuteronomy 34:1-8), or maybe Moses wasn't buried at all since his grave is unknown, or some other reason that the Devil brought up? So from this verse, we can't assume that the Devil was wanting Moses' body - we are not told what the contention (argument) was about.

If we believe what the Scripture says about Moses' body, then he was buried but he was still in spirit form when he appeared, along with Elijah, at Jesus' transfiguration ( Matthew 17:1-4). It could well be that his body was in the grave awaiting the resurrection, just as Abraham was in Luke 16:19-31. And in like manner, those who have now died believing in Christ Jesus, their spirits have been released to return to God, but their remains on the Earth will be reconstructed to rise in the resurrection, being given glorified bodies ( 1 John 3:2).

It's possible I remembered a different tussle someone had with Satan. I know there's a 2nd incident in Daniel. Where Gabriel was bringing an answer to Daniels prayer, and Michael had to fight principalities to get Gabriel through. Amazing when you consider it.

You're right in the point that Moses was already buried, and Michael was sent to guard the burial place. The point being that Satan wanted to use the body for idol worship or another reason? Here's part of the commentary on that:

" The key point here is that Michael, despite being a powerful being himself, refused to slander the Devil. This proves the arrogance of the apostates Jude is discussing. They are so conceited that they're doing what even an archangel won't!

Moses, Israel's leader during the exodus from Egypt, was buried by the Lord in an unknown place ( Deuteronomy 34:1-6). According to the traditional account, Michael and the Devil had engaged in a dispute about the burial of Moses' body, but Michael would not slander the Devil. Instead, he yielded to God's authority by trusting Him to rebuke the Devil. We do not know the details of the dispute, but God may have assigned Michael with the task of guarding Moses' grave, and the Devil may have wanted to steal Moses' body to make it an object of worship."

Evidently it would be better to Google the History of Jude 1, and see what New Testament conflict he was having with the locals. I'll get back to you.

And thanks so much for bringing this to my split attention. Today my electric company swears I cancelled my service after the ice storm, a month ago. I didn't. They Couldn't resolve that they made an error; so I had to tell them I was going elsewhere to get service, which I did. Sounds similar to Michael & Satan, lol.

Deuteronomy 34:5-7: "So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated."

where was Moses buried?

I always ask that a person see their Pastor for some counseling if it's available now (with some churches closed). Divorce is a hard issue for Christians. I do know it's really hard on the children. Culture doesn't always consider what's best for them in this situation.

Do not tell them who the guilty party is!! Let them love each parent without having to blame one or the other.

There are reasons why God gave man/woman these rules for marriage and divorce. He's on yours and the kids side.

Deuteronomy 34:1-4, is the Law;

1 Corinthians 7, is in the period of grace.

Read both when you are calm. Pray much.

Deuteronomy 34:1-4 (tap the link)

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

Her former husband, which sent her away, may NOT take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

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You see the seriousness? The children are not to know of "adult issues". No sleepovers, no romantic displays in front of them. It messes with their emotions seriously, and they will have lifelong trust issues.

Mishael

I love the story of Moses it's true and amazing how God can do all these miracles.

verses 1 n 2 of next chapter disproves what you just said. The Moses in the garden is the resurrected Moses.

As I was reading Deuteronomy 28 it brought tears to my eyes and a GREAT FEAR of THE MOST HIGH!!! This chapter is an eye opener for me as should be to ALL who read with a great understanding! I am so thankful that I have eyes to see and ears to hear and I know that if I continue to do the will of OUR HEAVENLY FATHER there will be many wonderful blessings bestowed upon me and my family....

Moses a chosen one, beloved of God. He is a representative of our Lord Jesus Christ, Moses was given the ten commandments for the people to follow. Our Lord Jesus came to fulfilled it. Thus, in the same manner our Lord Jesus came also to bring us out of bondage from sin. Miracles were performed in Egypt, Our Lord performed miracles whether he went. This is of profound meaning to a believer.

Insight; Numbers 12:8 "With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Deuteronomy 34:10-12 Moses came not to the son's of Israel in his own name; but in the Name of I AM..."TELL THEM, I AM HATH SENT ME UNTO YOU." Moses was the meekest man on earth!

Meria:Moses died and is buried in a Valley in Moab. Deuteronomy 34:5-6. He died a young age 120. V:7

One Error, you are not looking as to INDEPT studying of the Original Hebrew Scriptures, does not speak of Moses as dying and being Buried!! We, know this from the day Yeshua was praying in the "Garden of Gethsemane!" Which two men came to bring the Transfiguration undo Yeshua so He'd be Brought back to totally Spiritual Figured so as to bare the agony which was to come! Sort of re strengthening

Moses did not write Deuteronomy 34:5 is a past tense scripture and moses could not write the rest of it after that verse if he's dead.

DUE,is one of those amazing books of the Bible because of the author Moses.V5 and V6,Moses writes about his death and burriel before he had died and what happened to his successor Joshua amazing.

Moses character was so amazing, he obeyed God words to the very end, I pray that as we study and read God's work that we may submit his words in our daily lives.

Deuteronomy teaches us how to be blessed or cursed, how to have life or death, how to live according to the commandments, statues, and ordiances, of the Lord and live blessed all the days of our lives, we should be able to walk according to what God command us to avoid having to learn the same lessons the children of Israel had to learn, so we can avoid tempting God and being disobedience to God's will for our lives.

All the book are awsome amen to the lord

Did God bury moses

AMEN, Kellie!

A powerful book that we can still live by today.