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The word homosexuality was not invented until the 19th century:

Homosexual: A term created by 19th century theorists to describe a sexual and emotional interest in members of one's own sex.... The Columbia Encyclopedia.

So when the Bible mentions men with men one should be able to associate men with men with the word homosexuality.

The KJV is so old the word homosexual was not a word when it was written. Some of the newer translations use the word homosexual.

The New Living Translation

Le 18:22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."

English Standard Version

1Co 6:9 - "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,'

Today's New International Version

1 Ti 1:10 - :for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine .

The Complete Jewish Bible

De 23:17 - "No woman of Isra'el is to engage in ritual prostitution, and no man of Isra'el is to engage in ritual homosexual prostitution."

Also in the OT laws. Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

Hello William,

Well, it is known Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for being "abominable" with homosexuality and other things I would believe. As you can read Genesis 19 where two Angels of the Lord came to save Lot and the men of the city came so they may "know" them. As he offered his two virgin daughters to them so they would do nothing to the Angels.

Also in Romans 1:25-28 it is spoken of. Hope that helps.

Hi William, The answer to you first question you may find in Romans ch 1, read vs 1 on down to about 28 to get clarity.

And your other question, where in the Bible does it speak of the difference in the races, and race mixing. You want find race in the Bible as used today, you would find Jews, Gentiles, the heathens, the nations, the church, ect.. God called Abraham out of the land of his father and made a nation out of him, they became the jews, that was their beginning, every one else was Gentiles, Those who are born again out of these two groups and baptized by the Holy Spirit into one body is called the Church. Israel was set apart so God could Demonstrate his Glory, relationship, Holiness, ect.. to all nations. They was not to be joined in marriage and be separated from all nations or they would end up forsaken their God and serve the other nations Idols, no race the way we see it today. However racism probably was active in the world then as well because pride existed, but that's not the focus of mature Christians, We leave that up to the world and we be about our fathers business.

I love the lord and I won't take it back

The short answer to the meaning of God's Grace is, 'God's unmerited favour or kindness shown to us'. That is, God has chosen to show us His Love & Kindness even when we were the 'last people on Earth' to deserve it. Actually, theologically, I like to look at it this way: God is a Merciful God (i.e. His very being of Love, Holiness, Justice, etc. also has Mercy as a very important integral part of the Being of God). So when God demonstrates His Mercy (that part of His Character) & sheds it upon us an undeserving people, we receive it as His Grace in our lives. I realize that often the words 'Mercy & Grace' are used by Christians interchangeably, but to help my understanding & when sharing God's Word, I like to show a differentiation between the two, though both are certainly vitally connected.

And God's Mercy, shown to mankind by His Grace, has always been the enjoyment & security of all those who are called by Him to receive it. To Israel, they were selected as God's chosen, for no other reason than to pour out His Love upon them as He had promised to their fathers, & to make them a special (holy) people (see Deuteronomy 7:6-9). And to us today, to as many as have been called to salvation & eternal life, God has persisted in that Love for all of us, by sending us His Son to be our Substitute to receive His punishment for our sins. There was no other way that God could justify in keeping the human race going on in sin. Just as He destroyed all but few in the Great Flood, so His Mind was that He would do it again for the volume of sins that were before Him. But at the appointed time to hold back that Wrath ( Romans 5:6), He sent Jesus to pay sin's price on our behalf & to avert (to change direction) His Anger against us ( 1 John 2:2, 4:10). So His Anger was then placed upon Jesus (as our sin-bearer) that those who put their trust in Him can be declared 'not guilty'. Such was the load that Jesus bore for us: our sin & God's Anger.

Such is God's Grace given to us.

Preachers who forbid inter-racial marriages would usually have to quote the Old Testament, where God forbad Israel from doing so (e.g. Deuteronomy 7:3, Joshua 23:12, & many others). This was given expressly to prevent the 'purity' of God's people from becoming tainted with the spiritual harlotry of the heathen around them. Conversely, the prophet Hosea was instructed to marry a promiscuous woman, Gomer, we understand from another nation, for the purposes of giving Israel a vivid example to the extent of their unfaithfulness & debauchery. So, it was never seen that Israel was to have anything to do with the heathen around them, whether in business or marriage.

Then comes Jesus & His Cross. The Cross not only became God's implement to provide a sinner destined for eternal punishment, a way out & into the Arms of a Merciful God, but also brought together all peoples, of every nation, tribe & tongue, into that one Body, which is Christ. The Apostle Paul says it well here: "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."( Galatians 3:26-28). That is, those who have come through Jesus' Cross & have been born again of His Spirit, are now one family, regardless of nationality, gender or anything else. I understand that we have God's permission to marry whomever we wish, but only those "in the Lord".

The care however that a believer should take in this regard, is for finding the partner in life who has similar goals & direction in life & who truly keeps the Lord as the preeminent One in their lives, in their thoughts & decisions. Disunity here can lead to unnecessary turmoils further down the road. Our common love for our intended spouse & for the Lord Who saved us, ought to be the criterion for our decision to marry someone, rather than using their skin colour, appearance or background as the criteria.

Jesus often spoke of Himself as Son of Man as He sometimes referred to Himself as Son of God. He was correct in doing so, as He was both: He was the Word of God made flesh (man) John 1:1-14 and He was also a Man (by that same reference & the account of His human birth: Matthew 1:20-25). For His Own reasons, Jesus used these designations interchangeably depending on who He was speaking to & in what context. In any case, those that heard His teachings & saw His miracles knew that Jesus' claim to be the Son of God was clear & specific. Even at the cross, they cried out to Him, "If Thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross" ( Matthew 27:40).

Adam & Eve were our first parents & it wasn't until a specific calling (of Abraham) that a holy line of people began to form. True, of the sons of Noah (i.e. prior to Abraham), Shem was elected to be the forefather of the later nation of Israel. And from Shem, Abraham came & became the promise of being the father of a great nation ( Genesis 12:1-3) & of many nations ( Genesis 17:1-5). As the nation of Israel grew in number & expanded by conquering opposing lands, they began to intermarry with the Canaanite nations, when clearly forbidden to do so by God: Deuteronomy 7:1-4; 1 Kings 11:1,2; Nehemiah 13:3, 23-27. Therefore, I feel that there are no pure Jews today; even though some would have stayed true to the Word of God, maybe their children (even a few) chose to intermarry, then that purity would continue to diminish over succeeding generations. I hope that is what you were seeking to know Joseph.

Without dispute, the line of Shem is the one that is constantly referred to in the Bible. Shem was the middle brother, with Japheth being the eldest & Ham, the youngest of Noah's sons. It was through Shem's descendants that Abraham came & from Abraham, the branch of the Hebrews (later Israelites & Israel) & of the Ishmaelites (later Muslims) split. You can see Shem's line in Luke 3:23-38 which leads to our Saviour, Jesus Christ.

And of course, this line of Shem is most "talked about" since God had called this line of people to be His very own, setting His Love upon them ( Deuteronomy 7:6-8) & through which He would one day bring forth His Son to be the one & only Sacrifice as payment for mankind's sins.

You will find reference to this in Deuteronomy 7:1-6.

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Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded [you to perform], even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 6:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

Deuteronomy 11:22 For if ye [shall diligently keep all] these commandments which I [command you], [to do them], to love the LORD your God, [to walk in all his ways], and to cleave unto him;

Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye [shall walk] after the LORD your God, and fear him, and [keep] his commandments, and [obey] his voice, and ye [shall] serve him, and cleave unto him.

2 Chronicles 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, [he did it with all his heart, and prospered.]

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with [them that love him and keep his commandments] to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and [keep] his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, [alway.]

Deuteronomy 15:5 [Only] if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to [observe to do all] these commandments which I command thee this day.

Deuteronomy 27:10 Thou shalt therefore [obey] the voice of the LORD thy God, [and do] his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

Deuteronomy 30:8 And thou shalt return and [obey] the voice of the LORD, [and do all] his commandments which I command thee this day.

1 Kings 8:58 That he may incline our hearts unto him, [to walk in all his ways], [and to keep] his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.

These are just a few of the scriptures [commanding us to keep them.]

I would like it very much if God would bring Deuteronomy chapter 7 to pass again ,for the United States of America against all the Jesus haters who burn our country, use biological weapons (coronavirus - Bill Gates ), push LGBT rights against the church of Jesus Christ, refuse to repent, support defund the police, support communist democratic party BLM agenda, Muslim brotherhood, communist China, Iran, bohemian grove moloch the horned owl cannibals, illuminati, Freemason, pedophiles, crooked politicians, deep state, shadow government down to hell . Psalm 143 last verse. Most of all, need mass revival. I weep for God's intervention.

Wow..Mishael. That, was some answer.. I have many things I could respond to within your comment(s) but I prefer not to. I sincerely enjoy reading your comments but sometimes I'm wondering what or who you are even responding to?

I assume this question was given in regards to race or color. The bible forbids no such thing.

A mixed marriage in the Bible is a believer(faithful in Christ) marrying an unbeliever(unfaithful.) That simple.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4 has been taken or used out of context by some. This was not due to their race or skin color but rather because the other races (at that time) worshipped idols, other gods. Refer to marrying an unbeliever.

A believer in Christ should marry a believer in Christ. Color is irrelevant. How boring this world would be if we all had the same appearance.

Bob Hilt,

Do you believe that God will break all of the promises He has made to Israel, the "apple of His eye?" ( Zechariah 2:8).

Are you convinced that He will just forget His chosen people ( Deuteronomy 7:6, Isaiah 44:1, etc., etc., etc.)

God is the Judge ( Psalms 54:1).

You search the Scriptures to try to condemn God's chosen people and call Jews cursed.

The Olive tree that your are trying to be grafted into as the wild branch are these same cursed Jews? Look at Romans 11:16-22.

And what are you going to do with the words of Luke in Acts 28:26-29?

Are we not going to believe another promise of God just so you can condemn our brothers?

26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

Will the Jews that love God not see and understand when the Messiah returns;

and "every knee" will bow? ( Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:11)

The Bible says the Israelites (Jews) were God's chosen people. Deuteronomy 14:2, Isaiah 44:1, Deuteronomy 7:6. Do you agree?

2 Corinthians 6:14-18 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2 Timothy 3:5 - Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Deuteronomy 7:3-4 - Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 - Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Ephesians 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

3 John 1:11 - Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Don't think older people in the Lord do not understand the rush of young love.

Myself... I wish someone had told me it's not going to work out so long as the other is unsaved. Take her to church with you. You Pray for her to receive Jesus.

God created sex. He also performed the first marriage. You are not Adam and Eve.

You may have met the wrong woman. And the right one is praying for God to bring you to her.

You may hate me for this: but Satan can tempt us with the wrong choice. It takes huge faith to trust in God in these matters.

You should be praying for God to prepare her to receive salvation. Be meek and accept Gods leading and confirmation.

deuteronomy 7:1-4

The lesson in this chapter is about what happens when we disobey God. To save us form our own weakness and bring us back into harmony with Him after we disobey usually causes heartache. I am sure it was hard for the soldiers to have to kill the women and children but if it were not done worse consequences would have resulted.

Remember Genesis 3, when man sinned? For man's sake we read that God moved him out of the garden and the earth was "cursed". Man had to eek out a living the hard way... God didn't really curse the earth himself, it was a natural result of the consequences of sin. This is a hard concept for us to understand. God was uttering what he knew would happen, its God's foreknowledge. Not predestination.

Israel was never to go to was to enter the promised land. God had "appointed" hornets to drive out the people ( natural disaster I interpret it as ( Ex. 23:38 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee and Deuteronomy 7:20

Moreover, the LORD your God will send the hornet against them until all the survivors and those hiding from you have perished.)..

The earth itself revolts against us because of our sin. We do things that upsets the balance of nature - like climate change. And all the mining and drilling for oil etc... upsets the equilibrium of the earth and causes problems (which scientist never tell us about).

So Israel's disobedience disrupted God's plan and set in train a series of unfortunate events that resulted in Israel having to go to war - because they believed that was the only way to conquer. They did not trust God's way.

In this case, Moses told the men these adult women caused a plague among you before and many die. You want that to happen again? They had to die. The male offspring would become warriors to avenge their fathers who Israel killed - they had to die too (consider Moses himself re killing the Egyptian). The other females would become servants.

Lorin,

Predestined and chosen are not the same thing. The Israelites were chosen. But if you read scripture, they weren't chosen in a predestination sort of way. GOD told them why they were chosen. He did it in remembrance of his promise to their ancestors.

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 King James Version (KJV)

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Minnie, to your questions:

a. Deuteronomy 7:6-8 gives us the most concise & beautiful answer to your question on the "Jews being God's chosen". Simply, because He loved this people (Israel) & would abide with the oath made to their forefathers. In theological terms, we call this "Election". Their lineage (as for all of us) started with Adam & Eve, then after the Flood (i.e. the Anger of God) destroyed the Earth, except for Noah & his family plus animals, the children of Noah then repopulated the Earth. One of his sons, Shem, was the father of many, many others & from one of those, Abraham came & you can follow the story from there to Jacob (Israel). As well, the Jews (Israel) didn't "hate God's teaching", but certainly, they were unfaithful to God many times during their ancestry, even to the point of rejection of God's Messiah, putting Him to the Cross.

b. Only those who have been washed from their sins through the merits of Jesus death on the Cross will "hear the Trumpet call". So this includes both Jews & Gentiles who have been saved through faith & not by obedience to the Law.

c. If you mean 'water baptized' then Scripture tells us that water baptism is symbolic (just as the Lord' Supper) to outwardly show what has taken place inwardly in a person. So, baptism gives the new believer the testimony of obedience & a clear conscience of God's Work in them ( 1 Pet 3:20,21). But if you mean "if people refuse to, or can't be baptized", then one would need to find out the reasons.

d. Mt 7:21-23: Even those who claim to have done mighty things in Jesus' Name can be rejected from Heaven, only those who do the Father's Will, will enter it. In other words, there are many being very busy in good works, maybe trying to get God's Approval, but haven't been saved. And what is the Father's Will? That we repent of our sins because of Jesus' Sacrifice for us, be born again of His Spirit, & living a Christ-centred life. These are the children of the Kingdom.

The Lord our God is good, his name endures forever.

Veronica Ellis

Genesis 15:1 & Genesis 15:6 (in principal)

What Jesus did = Matthew 9:35

Promises = Exodus 23:25 , Deuteronomy 7:15 , Psalm 41:1 -3 ,

Judgement = Deuteronomy 28:61 ,

Instruction = 2 Chronicles 6:28 -29 , James 5:14 -15

Where did you get this information from? Thanks

Correct!!

Amen to that brother.

The 12 tribes were all Hebrews Jews .

hornet means stinging bees

The hornet is mentioned only twice in the KJV Bible, Deuteronomy 7:20 Joshua 24:12. The hornet is an insect, a wasp, and much stronger than a wasp, and it's sting gives severe pain.

Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed. what are the hornet?

The only Israelites are the 12 Tribes of Judah Jacon's 12 sons : The first tribe are the negeoes. The 12 tribes consist of the negroes, the Latinos, and the American Indians. All others are gentiles. Study, meditate, ask questions, research.