When examining this covenant promising the land to Abraham (actually to his descendants eventually who would actually own the land) starting in Genesis 15; we notice that what this had in common with Adam's covenant was the fact that the recipient was put into a deep sleep; in neither case did either party have anything to do with it; it was therefore God swearing by Himself (again showing in the Trinity there was more than one witness involved; perhaps alluded to in Deut. 19:15; Heb. 6:13).
Genesis 16:18-33 we have the famous interchange between Abraham and the Lord over the matter of preserving Lot if there were 50 righteous men; down to the total of 10 where Abraham finally stopped nagging God on the subject for the lack of a better description. Here we have a perfect example of chastisement of Lot during the ensuing judgment where he later escapes as through through the skin of his teeth. Abraham no doubt was considering this situation as it is unlikely anyone else in that wicked place would be on his mind. We also see through the two angels that went on to see if things were as reported to God the idea of authority; and the fact that God cannot look onto sin.
In the situation of Moses pleading with God not to destroy everyone in the wilderness and start a new nation through Moses
in Deuteronomy 9:14 the Lord actually says to leave Him alone to do this. We can take this as rhetoric to initiate a response; but this apparent conflict with sovereignty is our problem not God's: we haven't the right to bend scripture around things that seem out of character in our minds. This should give us insight into how the Godhead operates; again Christ's sacrifice keeps us from the wrath of God and His role in the Godhead was clearly distinct from the Father. It shows clearly that God wants us to remind Him of His covenant; that is good application to a marriage struggle when praying for healing and restoration.
Hello Elijah. That is a good question & hopefully I can share a little here, adding to Mishael's good comment.
The children of Israel were always a problem to Moses, with their doubts, unbelief & accusations. And when Moses delayed his return from Mt Sinai, they lost all confidence in Moses & in this God Who was supposed to save them. So they pressed Aaron, Moses' brother, to make a calf that very likely resembled an idol of Egypt, & hopefully would do a better job than Moses & his God.
So we read this in Exodus chapter 32. Even though it's unclear, the sense is that Aaron opposed this demand for an idol but sadly gave into their demand. And this sin of Israel & Aaron did not go unnoticed by God, as all of them stood guilty before Him.
But Moses sought God's Mercy for them. When Moses called for those who would separate from those idolaters, the children of Levi broke away; Aaron would have joined them as he was of Levi. And Deuteronomy 9:20 tells us that God was angry with Aaron but Moses pled to God for forgiveness for his brother's sin.
And another family failing came up in Numbers chapter 12, where both Miriam & Aaron opposed their brother Moses. Miriam is understood to have been the instigator of that sad event, hence her becoming leprous while Aaron was spared, but both were guilty & no doubt God even forgave them for this (Miriam was eventually healed).
Therefore, Aaron was guilty for his departure from what God had planned & directed, but he, as us, could still be forgiven: Moses pled for his brother's life as our Saviour & Interceder Jesus Christ ever stands before His Father with His nail printed hands & testifying for His blood-bought brothers & sisters that are now His because of that Cross & expression of faith in Him.
Mike- The god you know is indeed anthropomorphic, because you characterized it as so. The god you know is of human origin as you implied. In addition, the god you talk about is a false god, I agree whole heartly. But the God of the scripture Who is referenced here, in these discussions, is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent. I challenge you to find out more of this god you talk about and the God we know from the Bible. Test your premises, your facts, your arguments. Will they hold up in court? I am reading your post 6 years later. I pray that you have found the true God that you are looking for and need. May your heart be soften to the things of God before it is eternally too late. God bless you Mike and all in your area of influence.
UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES on James 1 - 4 years ago
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that
they should fall? God forbid: but rather
through their fall...salvation is come
unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke
them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE
RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be
the the RECEIVING of them be...but life
from the dead?
Verse 26: AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (Israeli Pharisees ) FOR YOUR SAKES (Gentiles).
BUT as touching the ELECTION (Gentiles), they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes Deuteronomy 9:5.
Israelis are OUT now, and Gentiles are IN. This is the Word of God! It is an unfulfilled prophesy; in progress of being fulfilled.
Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, UNTO THIS DAY.
Romans 14:11-12. Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth. You are opposing yourself! Opposing Gods written plan for Gentiles and Jews. No born again person can call Jesus accursed; or His Father.
God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need Gentile help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep.
BUT Soon, God is going to bring them in to Himself again. Then He will have ONE whole flock. That's His recorded purpose.
I do not see scripture that supports daily RAILING against the blind and deafened Jews of today Israel. Let God do as he said.
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that
they should fall? God forbid: but rather
through their fall...salvation is come
unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke
them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE
RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be
the the RECEIVING of them be...but life
from the dead?
Verse 26: AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).
BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.
They're OUT now, and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for millions of Jews who were murdered?
Well, they were on the OUTS so it's ok?
Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a spirit of slumber;
Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear....unto THIS DAY.
Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth.
Once more I will try: God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need our help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep. That was a positive statement. They are jealous. They are OUT. We are IN.
I wish we could come to some kind of truce about how much trouble Israel has heaped upon themselves for allowing Jesus to be crucified?
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.
Rom. 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?
Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).
BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.
They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?
Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?
Psalm 122:6, 121:4, 125:5
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)
God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.
Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.
TITUS 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
The children of Israel were strictly charged NOT to make any covenant or peace with any of the Nations of the Canaanites, but to utterly destroy without pity everything that breathes; and to completely dispossess them. That is God's judgment upon the wicked who don't repent for ever! So it is the same for us: we are saved from our sins and the ungodliness of the world to have no community with it!
Everything humans possess originate from God, including emotions. We are emotional, as God has made us in his image. God became
angry and destroyed humans in Noah's time, and Sodom and Gomorrah. This is not judging, but accurately stating what is written in the Bible. God has not destroyed man again,'because Jesus is standing in the gap for us, but the way humans are today, we
would be gone.
There are many things in the Bible that show us the mercy of God. We must remember our thoughts are not his thoughts. Where one gives an opinion instead of being all knowing let's pray that God will show the reader his true meaning for their understanding. Thank you God; for your saving Grace and Mercy.
It's God who is merciful and is able to forgive not because we come with a sincere heart but because Jesus death and resurrection makes it all possible. We need to stop emphasizing what we need to do and simply look to Jesus and what he has done(death and resurrection)what he is doing(interceding for us) and what he will do(return for his children and make this world his footstool.)God bless u all
Mike:God may not use certain words but like the words you interprit and wrote on here to express your thoughts so did Moses,God also is a JEALOUS god and that is a HUMAN emotion,but GOD created us in his image,GOD knew what jealousy causes,in Genisis Cane killed Able out of jealousy,as humans we are irrational with our emotions,therefore we CANNOT look at the actions of GOD as we do for ourselves.
Mike,your words are those of a man that need to be born again. You need a spiritual rebirth because John 3:7 says, " Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again. Your words shows no wisdom because first of all you are attempting to judge the almighty God. You Are the creature he is the creator you are nowhere near qualified to judge Jehovah. Pray for the new birth from God the Holy Spiritual Father and I will be praying for you and all those who do not understand the holy scriptures. Glory be to God in the highest through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!
God knew Moses and why he had chosen him to lead the Israelites. He knew that Moses would intercede for his people. God is all knowing. He is and awesome God.
A god who gets angry is a FALSE or an anthropomorphic god. One "becomes " angry when something unexpected or unwanted happens. If a human disobeys a divine law, an all-knowing god would know what is to happen and so anger cannot be the result. Retribution is a human emotion, not a godly one. In any case god cannot punish humans while they are still here on earth. That happens when when people go to heaven or when they are "resurrected ". Resurrection itself is a pagan concept. The Sun does each evening and is resurrected each morning. Plants die in winter and are resurrected in spring. Humans die and ... are eventually resurrected. Therefore both that god "became angry " and wished to "kill Aaron " cannot be words of God. In fact the idea of punishment itself is anthropomorphic.
God is merciful and inspite of all that we do if we come to him with a sincere and truthful heart seeking forgiveness he is always ready and willing to forgive us He loved the children of isreal and he made a promised to their forefather and he kept inspite of their waywardness
The Lord is very compasionate with us all unto this they we are indeed a stifnecked nation , and God is still mercyfull with us all. When is it that we will listen and Obey His commandment law and stature?? when when
Moses was able to reason with God in the desert during the journey to Canaan. When the Israelites sinned, Deuteronomy 9:2, Isaiah said, come let us reason together, saith the Lord ( Isaiah 1:18). God is always at the righteous and truth side. And always second anything that brings glory and honour to His throne. Whatever seems right. The burning of the incense I believe was taking a different dimension altogether. The people were revering the image as time passed by rather than God Himself. That compelled Hezekiah to destroy those things.
Jeff - Yes that includes pork. Leviticus 11 has the dietary laws.
As far as the 2 sinks thing like your friend, no. It sounds like he is following priestly Judaism or, and I hate to use the word since we are told not to, "Rabbinical Judaism." They teach the tradition of the elders, or the Talmud. That is not Scriptural. Nowhere in the Torah or Tanakh (Old Testament) does it say to do so. In the Talmud, which is the priestly tradition, many parts not only contradict the Scriptures, but also itself since many priests had differing views. Yet they teach that it is a commandment to obey all of it, and if it contradicts itself, to do both.
Christ told us to beware the leaven of the Pharisees and to purge the old leaven out. That 2 sink thing is an example of leaven. Another one is their tradition of not eating meat and dairy together or on the same dish. Not in the Scriptures, it's Talmud. The priests teach the Talmud is the "authoritative oral tradition given to Moses on Mount Sinai." Yet Deuteronomy 9:10 states that everything Moses was told was written down. Many priests teach that the Talmud trumps the Tanakh.
There are so many things that their priests teach that is not only unScriptural, but in many cases blatantly contradicts Scriptures. Many of their dietary laws, as previously mentioned among others, the days they celebrate many of the Feast days are wrong, that there are 613 commandments (I went through the list and many are not in there, are repeats, or completely taken out of context- my list based solely on theirs ended with 428).
To make a long story short, if you can't find it in the Scriptures, and you need some church or priest to show you in an outside source, a general rule of thumb is to throw it out the window. Also, the Scriptures does not contradict itself. Hope this helps, despite being long.
When examining this covenant promising the land to Abraham (actually to his descendants eventually who would actually own the land) starting in Genesis 15; we notice that what this had in common with Adam's covenant was the fact that the recipient was put into a deep sleep; in neither case did either party have anything to do with it; it was therefore God swearing by Himself (again showing in the Trinity there was more than one witness involved; perhaps alluded to in Deut. 19:15; Heb. 6:13).
Genesis 16:18-33 we have the famous interchange between Abraham and the Lord over the matter of preserving Lot if there were 50 righteous men; down to the total of 10 where Abraham finally stopped nagging God on the subject for the lack of a better description. Here we have a perfect example of chastisement of Lot during the ensuing judgment where he later escapes as through through the skin of his teeth. Abraham no doubt was considering this situation as it is unlikely anyone else in that wicked place would be on his mind. We also see through the two angels that went on to see if things were as reported to God the idea of authority; and the fact that God cannot look onto sin.
In the situation of Moses pleading with God not to destroy everyone in the wilderness and start a new nation through Moses
in Deuteronomy 9:14 the Lord actually says to leave Him alone to do this. We can take this as rhetoric to initiate a response; but this apparent conflict with sovereignty is our problem not God's: we haven't the right to bend scripture around things that seem out of character in our minds. This should give us insight into how the Godhead operates; again Christ's sacrifice keeps us from the wrath of God and His role in the Godhead was clearly distinct from the Father. It shows clearly that God wants us to remind Him of His covenant; that is good application to a marriage struggle when praying for healing and restoration.
Matthew 5:17, Hebrews 2:14, Revelation 20:14,
Hopefully these are helpful.
The children of Israel were always a problem to Moses, with their doubts, unbelief & accusations. And when Moses delayed his return from Mt Sinai, they lost all confidence in Moses & in this God Who was supposed to save them. So they pressed Aaron, Moses' brother, to make a calf that very likely resembled an idol of Egypt, & hopefully would do a better job than Moses & his God.
So we read this in Exodus chapter 32. Even though it's unclear, the sense is that Aaron opposed this demand for an idol but sadly gave into their demand. And this sin of Israel & Aaron did not go unnoticed by God, as all of them stood guilty before Him.
But Moses sought God's Mercy for them. When Moses called for those who would separate from those idolaters, the children of Levi broke away; Aaron would have joined them as he was of Levi. And Deuteronomy 9:20 tells us that God was angry with Aaron but Moses pled to God for forgiveness for his brother's sin.
And another family failing came up in Numbers chapter 12, where both Miriam & Aaron opposed their brother Moses. Miriam is understood to have been the instigator of that sad event, hence her becoming leprous while Aaron was spared, but both were guilty & no doubt God even forgave them for this (Miriam was eventually healed).
Therefore, Aaron was guilty for his departure from what God had planned & directed, but he, as us, could still be forgiven: Moses pled for his brother's life as our Saviour & Interceder Jesus Christ ever stands before His Father with His nail printed hands & testifying for His blood-bought brothers & sisters that are now His because of that Cross & expression of faith in Him.
are "Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" those fathers or fathers, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that
they should fall? God forbid: but rather
through their fall...salvation is come
unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke
them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE
RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be
the the RECEIVING of them be...but life
from the dead?
Verse 26: AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (Israeli Pharisees ) FOR YOUR SAKES (Gentiles).
BUT as touching the ELECTION (Gentiles), they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes Deuteronomy 9:5.
Israelis are OUT now, and Gentiles are IN. This is the Word of God! It is an unfulfilled prophesy; in progress of being fulfilled.
Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a SPIRIT OF SLUMBER
Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, UNTO THIS DAY.
Romans 14:11-12. Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth. You are opposing yourself! Opposing Gods written plan for Gentiles and Jews. No born again person can call Jesus accursed; or His Father.
God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need Gentile help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep.
BUT Soon, God is going to bring them in to Himself again. Then He will have ONE whole flock. That's His recorded purpose.
I do not see scripture that supports daily RAILING against the blind and deafened Jews of today Israel. Let God do as he said.
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that
they should fall? God forbid: but rather
through their fall...salvation is come
unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke
them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE
RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be
the the RECEIVING of them be...but life
from the dead?
Verse 26: AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).
BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.
They're OUT now, and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for millions of Jews who were murdered?
Well, they were on the OUTS so it's ok?
Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a spirit of slumber;
Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear....unto THIS DAY.
Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth.
Once more I will try: God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need our help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep. That was a positive statement. They are jealous. They are OUT. We are IN.
Soon, God is going to bring them in again.
It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: until the fullness of the Gentiles.
Rom. 11:11 ...have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather..through their fall...salvation is come unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke them (the JEWS) to jealousy.
For if the casting away from them be THE RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be the the RECEIVING of them be...but life from the dead?
Verse 26: And so ALL Israel SHALL BE SAVED
Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.
Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (now) FOR YOUR SAKES (us).
BUT as touching the election, they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes (plural) Deuteronomy 9:5.
They're OUT now and we are IN. God did that all by Himself. Didn't need any of us to debate the soundness of His Decision. Why indeed should any of us Gentiles shed a tear for 6 million Jews who were murdered? Well, they were on the outs so it's ok?
Is there anybody who will stop a minute and pray a prayer God asked us to do?
Psalm 122:6, 121:4, 125:5
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem (not a suggestion)
God is not willing that any of us perish but that we'd all come to repentance: which means to turn around and walk away from what's holding us back. Backsliding simply means to stand still and go nowhere.
Forgive me for saying this, but there are people coming in here who need help.
TITUS 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, genealogies, and contentions and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
God show us your heart always, and to esteem others with meekness and friendship.
angry and destroyed humans in Noah's time, and Sodom and Gomorrah. This is not judging, but accurately stating what is written in the Bible. God has not destroyed man again,'because Jesus is standing in the gap for us, but the way humans are today, we
would be gone.
As far as the 2 sinks thing like your friend, no. It sounds like he is following priestly Judaism or, and I hate to use the word since we are told not to, "Rabbinical Judaism." They teach the tradition of the elders, or the Talmud. That is not Scriptural. Nowhere in the Torah or Tanakh (Old Testament) does it say to do so. In the Talmud, which is the priestly tradition, many parts not only contradict the Scriptures, but also itself since many priests had differing views. Yet they teach that it is a commandment to obey all of it, and if it contradicts itself, to do both.
Christ told us to beware the leaven of the Pharisees and to purge the old leaven out. That 2 sink thing is an example of leaven. Another one is their tradition of not eating meat and dairy together or on the same dish. Not in the Scriptures, it's Talmud. The priests teach the Talmud is the "authoritative oral tradition given to Moses on Mount Sinai." Yet Deuteronomy 9:10 states that everything Moses was told was written down. Many priests teach that the Talmud trumps the Tanakh.
There are so many things that their priests teach that is not only unScriptural, but in many cases blatantly contradicts Scriptures. Many of their dietary laws, as previously mentioned among others, the days they celebrate many of the Feast days are wrong, that there are 613 commandments (I went through the list and many are not in there, are repeats, or completely taken out of context- my list based solely on theirs ended with 428).
To make a long story short, if you can't find it in the Scriptures, and you need some church or priest to show you in an outside source, a general rule of thumb is to throw it out the window. Also, the Scriptures does not contradict itself. Hope this helps, despite being long.
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