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I thought your comment was very good.

I had peace with my Dads death. But when my mother died I was conflicted for a time just because of the way my family acted. I was in a state of exhaustion taking care of her and babysitting my toddler grandson 5 days a week, for 3 years.

My son and niece took my mother to her house; it was for to be 1 week. Long story short, my mother died there. They wanted to think they did good, but I was angry at their plotting.

I let go and let God work this out.

I kept it to myself, but I prayed to God on behalf of my mom and me. Not to her. It was a bad time because everyone thought their ideas were best. Strong personalities, you know? My son thought I'd be happier if I moved to a different place. I did just to get away from

Mismanagement and those who "think they know better, what's best." I lived through losing 2 brothers to drugs, my Dads death from Alzheimer's, and my Mother to dementia; within 5 years.

I weathered it. The Lord is my Comforter. I'm well, happy and get to minister every day now.

My parents are in heaven and that makes this easier.

Try to be more Spirit led when assessing how others should grieve. They're hurting with loss. The Bible says to cry with those who cry. Not in a morose way, but in "arms around". Laugh with those who are laughing.

Blessed Christmas. Peace, Mishael

When people die That is a teaching given to emphasize a point that if people aren't going to believe scripture from the living they won't believe from the dead. Look at context.

LUKE: 16: 19-31

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

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And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

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And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

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And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into (heaven) Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

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And in hell he lift up his eyes, BEING IN TORMENTS, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

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And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

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But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

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And beside all this, between us and you there is a GREAT GULF FIXED: so that they which would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.

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Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

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For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Hell)

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Abraham saith unto him, They have (the Law of) Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. (In the Bible)

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And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

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And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Jesus)

This story shows that the rich man is conscious, can feel pain, thirst and terror for, still alive; unsaved friends and relatives.

We can miss those who've passed on. We can voice our feelings to them, forgive them for hurting us; or us hurting them. They're not going to hear us.

Marlo The dead are dead Ecclesiastes 9:4-6 there's nothing to pray for them or give them there dead.

We can't talk to them or anything else they are dead. Taking it further is not profitable in any category

and reading anything that teaches otherwise is way out there biblically!

Hi Marlo. The accepted canon of Scriptures does not speak of 'praying for the dead', but those who do believe in praying for the departed, generally appeal to the apocryphal book, 2 Maccabees 12:36-45.

If you look at that passage (you can see those books here on this Site), you will not only read of an instance of praying for the dead but also about offering of some silver as a sin offering. I hope you will see the extreme error of this belief & action, as once a person passes away from this life, there remains no further chance to correct past sins & errors. And only the Blood of Christ can make full payment for forgiving mankind's sins & no money, self-mutilation or prayers can ever add to that great Sacrifice. Please be careful if you are entertaining such thoughts or beliefs in your mind & be careful when reading those apocryphal books.

Marlo Don't understand what your inquiry is about.

Where in the King James Bible Does God say its okay to Pray for the Dead people?

The bible states that drunkenness is sin, but it does not really say that a glass of white wine occasionally is sin.; so my question is why do so many pastor want to preach that it is sin.

Just a few scriptures here about drinking wine. 1 Timothy 5:23; Ephesians 5:18, and Ecclesiastes 9:7; I am saved, but months into the pandemic I started drinking a glass of wine;

I used to not even go in a restaurant that served alcohol, but since the pandemic I have had white wine to drink.

Please clarify this for me.

Thank you

Hi Tina Look at ecclesiastes 9:5+6 We are asleep or dead until if your born again when christ returns for his body we rise up to meet him in the air all others will be raised in the judgement in revelation the just and unjust.

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When we die it is the same as when we sleep, we are not conscious, we are asleep in Jesus, Psalm 146:4 Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 we have no knowledge of our surroundings or time. This is the spirit that goes back to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7.

1 Thessalonians 4:14, when Jesus returns, this earth is round and those that are Christs will come from all over, and we see different places describing the gathering, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 along with Jesus, God brings those that are Christs with Him, the second coming back to earth to set up the kingdom on earth. I understand those who believe in the rapture being carried to heaven will disagree.

Soul; Hebrew, nephesh, meaning a soul, living being animal or human, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. Greek psuch meaning, life, as the seat of affections and will, the self, the conscience, the individual. In our conscience that is in our soul is where the battle of the desires of the flesh and the Spirit. This is what remains asleep in the grave where ever the grave may be, awaiting resurrection when we put on immortality. Psalms 49:15 John 5:28-29

When are we absent from this body? 2 Corinthians 2:6-10 When do we appear at the judgment seat? 1 Thessalonians 2:19 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. When is a corn plant absent from its seed is it not when it springs forth from its grave of the earth? We are sown and until we are resurrected, being changed like the corn seed from corruption to incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality being freed from this body of corruption, then we will be present with the Lord.

Sorry I got wordy I am sure not all will agree but that is ok this is just what I see.

God bless us all in the love of Jesus.

RLW

You are replying to a comment by "Glenda Faircloth"

Regarding your question about Death? Some Reasons

1. Genesis 3; 2 Samuel 11; 2 Timothy 3:1-7

2. Ecclesiastes 9:1-12 (Chance OR accidents)

3. Matthew 24:6-12 etc.

Hope:

John 5:28,29

John 3:16,17

Revelation 21:3-5

The whole world goes through trials,and afflictions,and pain.Allthough the christian be better equipped through God's mercy ,and grace.The light of our Lord shinning the way,to everlasting peace ,and divine happiness,and joy.

Hi Robin Keeping it simple Ecclesiastes 9:5+6 from dust thou art unto dust thou shalt return all people are dead or asleep until the resurrections. Now two different schools of thought If your born again spirit Goes back to God who gave it which some believe is also the soul. Second school is breath life which is soul life when you take your last breath end of soul life and body to dust of the ground and if born again Gods spirit Goes back to the Giver. I'm sure there will be other comments and opinions. I've seen both schools of thought layed out biblically. in His Service

Hi Pamela smiley Just thought I'd say that I don't know what you believe and i'm not the Judge that being said if your a believer and your daughter was the comfort is 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and ! Corinthians 15: 51-58 until that time Ecclesiastes 9:5+6. Anything else please comment again. In His Service

When we die do we go to heaven,

Adam was a flesh-and-blood human being, so like us, his body was subject to wearing out, and one day his heart would stop, and the breath of life (spirit) would return back to God. Adam like us was not created immortal, he needed to eat of the Tree of Life to live forever, that is why it was hidden.

After Adam sinned it was a spiritual death not a physical death, the dwelling place for God in man, Satan's deception, physical life goes on after sin. Now we are under the judgment of condemnation and only by the grace of God and the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ we are free from this judgment.

Jesus came and lived in the flesh and died and was resurrected so we could be redeemed from this state of death, giving us the opportunity of eternal life. Did Jesus return to heaven when He died? Jesus did not ascend to His Father until after He resurrected ( John 20:17).

The belief in our soul is immortal comes from ancient Greek philosophy, developed especially by two of the chief Greek philosophers, Plato and Socrates. The meaning of death, being a separation of the soul from the body also came from ancient Greek philosophy. This immortal soul and the meaning of death has been taught for so long it is not questioned today.

It is Platonism, Augustine of Hippo made a saint, held this philosophy. He was a theologian, philosopher with a strong influence on doctrines in the church, in the fourth and early fifth century.

We are buried mortal, dead, in corruption and we are raised immortally incorruptible ( 1 Corinthians 15:42-44)

All consciousness ends when we die. ( Psalm 6:5) ( Job 14:12-14) ( Job 17:13-16) ( Psalm 89:48) ( Psalm 115:17) ( Ecclesiastes 9:5-10)



We sleep in death until resurrection day, the day of redemption. ( 1 Corinthians 15:51) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:14). ( 1 Corinthians 15:52-54)

RLW

Ron,

Many have different views on this and some defend them fiercely and interpret scripture to fit those views. This is not a salvation question so here are some things you may study for your own conscience; we all will face the death of this fleshly body and how you decide to face it is up to you. ( Psalm 6:5) ( Job 14:12-14) ( Job 17:13-16) ( Psalm 89:48) ( Psalm 115:17) ( Ecclesiastes 9:5-10)



There is a verse in ( 1 Timothy 4:7) to keep in mind, the actual Greek word used by Paul in this verse was "mythous", from which the English words myth and mythology come. In the actual Greek text of this verse, Paul further characterizes these fables as profane "bebelous". The King James Version of the Bible renders as "profane and old wives' tales".

Does scripture without man's interpretation back up a belief? ( Luke 16:19-31) is taught that we go to heaven or hell when we die. Questions to ask; What is the context of this chapter? Is this a parable or a reality? Is it backed up by other scripture or does it line up with Greek mythology?

What is our spirit? ( Psalm 104:29) ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) ( James 2:26). Spirit meaning wind, breath, spirit. When are we absent from our bodies? If we go to heaven when we die what is the meaning of ( 1 Corinthians 15:52-58)?

My personal understanding what scripture says is our spirit is our breath, and when we die it goes back to God who gave it, and our communication through the Holy Spirit stops until the resurrection,(sleep in Christ). And we being saved in Christ with the down payment/seal given by the Holy Spirit will be raised incorruptible in our new body and then we are absent from this fleshly body. But it is what you decide.

God bless.

RLW

Can you direct me to any Bible based materials thar could help increase my study of each chapter in the Bible?

God is the source and strength of all our lives and it is he who controls everyone and everything we do. we must hold on and believe that god will see us through.

what is a bulwark?

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To respond to your questions Sacha: "The soul that sinneth it shall die, if I were not saved what would I prefer to happen to me after death, eternal infernal torture by some horrifying demon or to just cease to exist?" I believe that you're quoting from Ezekiel chapter 18; if so, then this chapter speaks about the punishment of a son for his father's sins. The answer is that each one is responsible for his own sins (verses 4 & 20). So the death spoken of here is not one of judgement in the afterlife but of punishment received now (i.e. the death sentence) for committing such sins as shown in this chapter. As well, you asked "what would I prefer to happen to me after death". I think we would all prefer to live in total happiness & bliss, but what we prefer to happen to us is not necessarily what God's Justice demands.

Indeed, the "dead know not anything" ( Ecclesiastes 9:5), & as we know that Book is essentially a discussion about life, its vanities & its inconsistencies. So yes, in the grave, the body is not only in decomposition but also has no mental activity - this is simply the state of the dead & not of judgement. The Jews indeed entered into a Covenant relationship with their Creator, but the same Jew has no recourse to that circumcision or to the Law that would usher him into God's Presence, if he chooses to reject the Sacrifice of God in Jesus. Both Jew & Gentile suffer the same fate because of Unbelief & Christ-rejection.

Alex, the Holy Ghost has GRACED (his works) you an understanding that most can't discern because they look through physical eyes instead of spiritual eyes. ALL IS OF GOD. In God's appointed time each man will come to the knowledge of the Son of God ( Ephesians 4:13).

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Ecclesiastes 9:1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, AND THEIR WORKS, are in the hand of God;.......

Psalm 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou chooseth, and causeth to approach unto thee; we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even thy holy temple.

Psalm 92:4-6 For thou, Lord, hast made me glad through THY WORK: I will triumph in THE WORKS OF THY HANDS.

(vs 5) O Lord, how great are THY WORKS! and thy thoughts are very deep.

(vs 6) A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

GBU

Hello, My question is: In Psalms 37:11; 29 it speaks of the righteous and the meek will inherit the earth.

Also Mathew 5:5 Jesus said "Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth."

If Christian's are to go to heaven when they die, how is it they will inherit the earth?

Also is the Old Testament primarily for the Jews?

Is the NT for the Jews and Gentiles?

What does it mean in Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul that sinneth it shall die? Does this mean there's no life after we die? Same with Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 "The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, nor are they remembered.

6 Whatever they did in their lifetime-loving, hating, envying-is all long gone. They no longer play a part in anything here on earth. NLT

I was once a Jehovah Witness and I've come to realise they don't practise the Truth. So please help me try to understand what the true message if the gospel is.

I have many more questions, but it will take time to understand it all

Thanks Trish Western

Ecclesiastes 9:5

"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

King James Version (KJV)

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

Ecclesiastes 9:10

"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?"

Psalms 6:5

"Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"

Psalms 88:12

"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this dayFor David did not ascend into the heavens"( Acts 2:29, 34)

Our hope in Christ is the hope of the resurrection.

"For as by a man (Adam) came death, by a man (Jesus) has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Corinthians 15:21

Sorry for your loss!

To whoever is upset about not being able to pray to there lost loved ones ,or talk to them. Be happy that the Bible is here for us and it is very True and when it says the dead no nothing, the dead no nothing!!! I lost my mom when I was 29 a day before my bday so I can relate how it may be saddening to learn this , but you have to believe it so if you believe. Be glad you have Jesus to talk to he will get you to God! Amen

Besides ecclesiastes 9 -5,6 ...Where else does scripture speak on the dead not knowing anything

Explain verse 11 and how it applies to the people of today.

No, just until they die. The dead no nothing. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward for the memory of them is forgotten.

As reading verse 12 where it says "man knows not his time is like a fish and bird" they are taken in an evil net. Proverbs 1:17 Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird. Says the fish prayer : Oh God deliver me from the net of the fisher!