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Sister Dianne, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS grace.

God CANNOT be SOVEREIGN and man have FREE WILL, it's impossible. Man would be able to CHANGE what God predestinated.

There have been billions of people that have been born and died, if man has free will why didn't at least one free will himself to NOT SIN.

Man makes hundreds of choices every day, but ever choice you make has a CAUSE and that cause is God:

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and DO of his good pleasure.

You are born again by the word of God.

This is part of being born again: you AGREE with God; that you do nothing of yourself, all is OF GOD, he shares his glory with NO ONE.

He causes you to believe, He causes you to understand that it is his faith not yours, He causes you to repent, He causes you to LOVE.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to also suffer for his sake;

Philippians 3:9 And being found in HIM, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the FAITH OF CHRIST, the righteousness which is OF GOD by faith.

Romans 2:4 ....Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall KEEP my judgements, ans DO THEM.

NO FREE WILL in those scriptures.

Living IN CHRIST becomes quite simple when you are born of TRUTH.

To Jackie according to scripture that is correct because His goal was and still is to be worshipped like the Most High God only to be defeated By our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for us who choose to believe. Which is why in Corinthians He is called god of this world notice little g, something else the True God our father is owner but rulership was handed over by Adam and Eve Genesis downfall. That's why in the gospel of luke 4: 5+6 the devil said to Jesus Christ the kingdoms were given to him. The moment Adam and Eve disobeyed God they handed over that power and authority to satan, in contrast that power and authority for the believer was bought back by Jesus Christ Ephesians 1: 19+20. At least that's what I understand from what I've read.

JESSE AND EARL

Armageddon is a contraction of three words: Air + Magog + Eddon(Eddon means red)

The battle of Armageddon is to happen now BEFORE CHRIST's COMING,against three unclean spirits like frogs: Rev. 16:v.13-16:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon(Rev.13:v.11), and out of the MOUTH of the Beast, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the LORD's Day -

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

And JESUS said: verse 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

We, the GOD's people, we are in heavenly places in Christ JESUS- Ephesians 1:v.3 onwards, however, Satan and his messengers are also in this same heavenly environment as we are-Eph.6:v.12 and 2 Cor.11:v.13-15 among other references.

That said, Armageddon means:

1 - The battle is in heavenly places in Christ JESUS -the battle is in "Air"- heaven-

2 - The battle is against Magog:the battle is -will be -against all the Gentile nations ruled by satanic religions,more specificaly against the Catholicism ruled by the Beast of sea-the Papacy-Rev.13:5

3 - The battle is against Eddon(red): the battle is -will be- against the Dragon, Satan, a former Cherub, son of perdition, he will manifest himself as a lamb, a falsed lamb, a false and ruthless and kabbalistic messiah of the Jews, who will rule and guide Israel in near future-Rev.13:v.11-18 combined with 2Thes.2:1-17.



Actually,three unclean spirits like frogs;like frogs?Why?There will not be space to comment this kind of spirits of demons but I will give a clue for meditation:frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live in waters and dry land.

Waters-Rev.17:v.15

Dry land-Israel

Just continuing with this brother & enjoying the exercises of knowledge & faith that you're giving me.

Various Scriptures (e.g. Romans 8:29, Colossians 1:15, Hebrews 12:23) speak of Christ being the "firstborn of creation & the firstborn of the Church". He was first to give birth to His creative work & by definition, entitled to be pre-eminent with highest honour & rank over all. And by virtue of His Death & Resurrection, the first to bring Deity & humanity together in one, i.e. to His Church, as He is now in the flesh as well.

Therefore, I would rather think that it's not the "DNA of Christ" that is in all atomic matter, but His Spirit Who was in Him & now given to those who call upon His Name. As we know, our composition is spirit, soul & body and that spirit has, since the fall, been devoid of any attachment to the Spirit of God. Yet, it is to that same spirit of man that the Holy Spirit attaches when re-birth has taken place. Then what we read in Acts 17:28, given to the unsaved Athenians, finds its perfect fulfilment in Romans 8:1, 1 Corinthians 1:30, Ephesians 1:3, etc., where once we were just the "offspring of God" receiving life & breath from God, but now, through Christ the firstborn of His Church, we receive spiritual life & the ministry of the Deity in manifold ways. I can't see that His 'DNA' is in all living creation, which after all, have been created from dust, but His Spirit is given to those coming to Him via the Cross.

I can agree though with your last paragraph concerning "the Lamb being slain from the foundation of the world". What was in God's Will to occur, will occur, & can be treated as fact even before they happen. Christ's crucifixion was real in God's Plan & became a physical reality at Calvary. Thank you Leon for sharing your thoughts.

LEON DAVIS

You wrote: LEON DAVIS - in Reply on Genesis 1

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Therefore, Christ had already been crucified in the spiritual realm and the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world ( Eph. 1:4,5, 11 Ephesians 1:4,5, 11 (KJV)

Yes, "the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world", but before which world? Could you tell us? My question is valid because "we understand that the WORLDS were framed by the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD -, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear". Heb.11:v.3

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There is MORE TRUTH than asking God to help you choose to do what glorifies Him. The Spirit CAUSES you to ask.

You DIED on the cross with Christ, you were RAISED a new creation; IN CHRIST, at His Resurrection.

Jesus is now living his LIFE in you, CAUSING you to continue being created in HIS IMAGE.

Ezekiel 36:24 And I WILL take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then WILL I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye SHALL BE CLEAN: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, WILL I cleanse you.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also WILL I GIVE you, and a new spirit WILL I PUT within you: and I WILL TAKE AWAY the stony heart out of your flesh, and I WILL GIVE you and heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL PUT my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statues, and ye shall keep my judgements, AND DO THEM.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:5 ....according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL..

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we have obtained an inheritance (sons of God), being predestinated according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who WORKETH all things after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him.

Of ourselves we can do NOTHING.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doeth NOT COMMIT SIN (because Christ is doing EVERYTHING) (we SIN because we try to put OUR WORKS with this TRUTH); for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

This is why Jesus never SINNED. He walked in the TRUTH that the Father did all things FOR HIM.

John 8:28 ...and that I do nothing of myself...

John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing ....

John 3:27 ...A man receive nothing, except it be GIVEN HIM from heaven.

This is precisely what cured me of every scar in my soul after I was born again. I loved my Dad with all my heart. He worked so hard that he was not really available to nurture his 5 rowdy children; plus one my mother adopted.

My life story is one of feeling " left behind the door", abandoned; later, betrayed repeatedly. I retreated into astrology to find out what was wrong with me. 15 years later I was adopted by God. $Happiest day of my life.

You are adopted fully and legally into the family of God, through Jesus. We don't have to tiptoe around, afraid he will ever say it was a mistake. He's a covenant God. I am my Beloveds; my Beloved is MINE. (Song of Solomon) He wrote that 3 times. The most powerful day of my life was when I read those verses in succession. I never felt passed over or rejected another day of my life. He is Mine and I'm never letting go. He is the Bridegroom. We have covenant with Him. Rest in these scriptures:

Psalms 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Proverbs 18:14

The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. [God becomes your Daddy]

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 Corinthians 2:12

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Ephesians 1

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us ACCEPTED in the beloved. (Jesus)

Pass this along to anyone you meet who needs to know they are loved and accepted. He who wrote it is called, Faithful and True.

M.

Greetings in Christ JESUS,

Richard Estrada

Yes, I understand, I have heard several theories on two witness, one different from

the other among them, which do not match the revelation of the Word of God, for me

your theory is more one, the newer. Presumptions and conjectures, and imaginations,

speculations, opinions, based in the letter of Scriptures, they mean nothing but severe

punishments-Rev.22:v.18-20. Let's be careful. He that has an ear, let him hear what

the Spirit sais unto the churches.

The seven candlesticks are the seven Churches of the first century, mentioned in Revelation

chapters 2and3; By analogy, the two candlesticks - Revelation 11:v.4 - are the two churches

of this time of Apocalipse, times of the end. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit

sais unto the Churches.

For me what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? For there are three

that bear record in Heaven(Heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit

(who is not a ghost as is writtten in English language,but a person-the Comforter-John16:7-15):

and these three are One.

The source of all things is GOD, the Father, the Word is GOD, and He Himself planted the two

olive trees here for the purpose of supplying mainly in this current time the two candlesticks,

i.e. the last two churches, actually his people as a whole, with the anointing oil, as said John

the Apostle-2:20-21: -20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the Truth, but because ye know it, and

that no lie is of the Truth.



The express Word of God implicit in two Covenants-the Old and New Testaments- both are

the Tree of Life that GOD planted here by Word, and to him that overcomes He will give to

eat of the tree of life, there is a manna and it is hidden. He that overcomes, and keeps my

works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.

Amen.

Brother david, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

you are saved!

i am using god's words showing brothers and sisters that all of salvation is of god. man plays no part in salvation. we have been deceived.

at each mans appointed time (by god). god will bring about the circumstances to cause that man to respond to god.

man does't believe god does this. they believe it is their choice.

paul was on his way to kill more of god's church. he believed he was doing god's work.

in one blinding moment god caused saul to become paul.

ephesians 2:10 for we are his workmanship .....

ephesians 1:11 .....being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will.

philippians 1:29 for unto us it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him, but to also suffer for him.

philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having our own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of christ, the righteousness of god by faith (of christ).

romans 2:4 ......not knowing that the goodness of god leadeth thee to repentance.

all is of god. god appoints at time, gives man his faith to causes man to believe and causes man to repent.

i give my glory to no one.

i will bring down the high and lofty one.

you died on the cross with christ. he is the life you now have and live by.

thank god for the works of christ.

Hi Earl,

Thanks for joining in on the discussion. The basic truth I was stating is the fact that not everyone in the "universe" is a Christian. There is no Scriptural proof that EVERYONE is saved forevermore.

Everyone has an opportunity to receive Christ as their Savior. Unfortunately, many will choose not too.

As you so aptly put from Ephesians 1:10 He will gather all things "in Christ" "in Him." However God always explains what He means. In v. 11-13, "that we should be to the praise of His glory, who first TRUSTED in Christ. In whom ye also TRUSTED, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. In whom also AFTER that ye BELIEVED, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise Eph 4:30 tells us "whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

The story referenced in Luke 16: 19- 31 is not a parable. All parables given by our Lord Jesus Christ gave no names of the characters in the story. The story given in Luke 16:19-31 identifies one of the characters by name - Lazarus. This is a true story given by our Lord Jesus Christ. The basic theme here is that there is an actual heaven and hell. The rich man is in hell and not in the grave. They are not the same place.

It is hell because in v.24 the rich man said, "for I am tormented in this flame." There are no flames in the grave. He was asking for water to quench his thirst and cool him from the flames.

The rich man can not receive the LIVING WATER because the salvation of Christ must be received in this life time, never in the life here after.

The rich man knew this fact because of his request to Father Abraham to send someone to his brothers who were still alive. v. 27, 28.



Lazarus is now in Heaven; he was in Abraham's Bosum, before Christ resurrection.

Who are the saints to judge if everyone is saved?

Thanks for the time and discussion in His Name.

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You referenced:

2 Peter 1:20 This verse says no one verse in and of itself give the complete answer. Other verses have to bear witness to know TRUTH. No scriptures can contradict each other. ALL have to bear witness of each other in TRUTH.

Luke 16:22-24

You said this verse and others shows that even though God DESIRES all men to be save they want be saved.

THANK GOD, he doesn't leave his DESIRES up to man.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULLNESS OF TIMES (more ages than the one we are now in) that he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven (first resurrection), and which are on earth (second resurrection), IN HIM.

Luke 16:22-24 Is a parable referencing the judgements of the two resurrections. Lazarus is in the first resurrection and is IN CHRIST. The rich man is in the GRAVE awaiting the second resurrection. When he is resurrected he will be begging Lazarus to give him the LIVING WATER that was given to him.

Know ye not THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD.

Lex,

If you have been born of God's Spirit, His Spirit abides in you permanently. In John 14:16, Jesus said "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter, that He may (abide) with you forever. This word abide (MENO) denotes permanency. Jesus said His Spirit will abide with you forever. How long is forever? No end! Jesus is going to send another comforter and He is going to abide in me, and I am going to be a dwelling place forever.

Ephesians 1:13-14 tells us that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. That seal cannot be broken by anyone other the owner of the possession. Jesus Christ has purchased us. We belong to Him. He has given us His Spirit to live in us permanently until He comes to redeem His possession.

Of those who Christ has saved and placed within them His Spirit, Jesus said He will never leave them nor forsake them. This is a double negative in the Greek which denotes the strongest impossibility of something ever happening. He will never take His Spirit from a believer.

We are told in Romans Chapter 8 that if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ (Indwelling), that person does not belong to Christ. That is the indication that a person is saved, is that they have the Holy Spirit in them. John 6:37-40 is a great section of scripture that would indicate that God's Spirit will always be with the believer. If God's Spirit were to be removed from us, we would be lost. And Jesus said all that the Father has given to Him, He would not lose one, but raise them up at the last day.

Brother Forest, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Do you think Christ feels like a ROBOT.

Do you think his Father feels unloved because he CAUSES Jesus to love him.

Jesus said HIMSELF; of myself I CAN DO NOTHING. ( John 5:30) ( John 18:28)

Jesus said HIMSELF; ye (man) can do NOTHING YOURSELF ( John 15:5)

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who WORKETH in you BOTH TO WILL and DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

We make thousands of choices each day; but every choice has a CAUSE that made us make that choice, and that CAUSE is God.

God CANNOT be Sovereign and man have FREE WILL.

Ephesians 1:11 ...being predestined (everything is chosen for you) according to the PURPOSE of HIM (GOD) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

FREE WILL is the wisdom of this world that God calls FOOLISHNESS.

It is really easy to rest IN CHRIST when you BELIEVE HIS WORDS.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, IN HIM.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be Saviour of the world.

You cannot be Saviour of the world without SAVING THE WORLD.

Hi Denise Rucker-Henry

Remember: The letter KILLETH, but the Spirit giveth life. 2Cor.3:v.6

And more: It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit,

and they are life. John 6:v.63

By the way, There are three that bear record in heaven (heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), the Father, the Word, and the Holy

Spirit: and these three are One. 1 John 5:v.7

Brother Adam, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are going to say that God gives us FREE WILL and it's up to us to ACCEPT this FREE gift of salvation and the ones that don't accept it will go to HELL.

This ALSO contradicts GOD'S word:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us into the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL (no free will; but God's will).

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times (ages) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST (no free will in that scripture)...

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh (no free will) IN YOU both to WILL and DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

Philippians 2:10 At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaves, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Philippians 2:11 And that ever tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I know the Christians arguments with God's WORD; for years I argued the same way.

Hi Cheryl,

As I'm not here to say who is going to Heaven and who isn't. Just to put my view to your question with a couple verses. First off there are no surprises with God and He knows exactly who is going to spend eternity with Him. As in Ephesians 1:4-6.

I believe us in the Lord who are His and worthy to be with Him for eternity go to be with Him when our physical body dies. A couple verses: 2 Corinthians 5:1-10, Philippians 1:21-23.

As it is written there are two resurrections. Here in Revelation 7:9-17 are all types of people in Heaven around the throne of God and Christ. Also Revelation 20:4-6 which speaks of those who are worthy of the first resurrection who live and reign with Christ and shall not see the second death. This is before the great judgement which is the end of the chapter.

As also that confirms that not all shall go to be with Christ right after our physical death. Only those worthy of the first resurrection and the rest of the dead lived not until the second resurrection before the great judgement.

God Bless.

Brother Peter, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

In Genesis God says, let us make man in our IMAGE. This was not done at that time. At first creation man was created from dust and the breath of God. God gave Adam life through the BLOOD. When Christ came under the new covenant it became possible to be CREATED a second time, by SPIRIT and an immortal body (like Christ was given when he was born of the Spirit; the beginning of CREATION. This is what Christ has and will continue doing till all creation is in the IMAGE OF GOD.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULLNESS OF TIMES (AGES) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST; both which are in heaven (first resurrection) and on earth (second resurrection), EVEN IN HIM.

Who is (creating), and was (creating), and will be (creating).

The FIRST (of creation) and the LAST (of creation).

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit (Spirit was given a body at the beginning of creation), and they (first creation, flesh and blood) are CREATED (second creation, flesh and bone not blood but SPIRIT), and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

Psalms 104:29 Thou hideth thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to THEIR DUST.

Psalms 104:30 Thou SENDETH forth thy Spirit (CHRIST), they are CREATED, and thou renewest the face of the earth.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that God has SENT the SON (THE WORD as in the above WORDS) to be the SAVIOUR of the world.

Man want keep the word of God from being FULFILLED.

New heaven and new earth.

1 John 4:14 Jesus will save the world

May, CHRIST GRACE US with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There are VARIETY OF EFFECTS, but the SAME GOD who works ALL THINGS in ALL PERSONS.

1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which WOKETH ALL IN ALL.

ALL THINGS originate from God.

1 Corinthians 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man by the woman, but ALL THINGS OF GOD.

God is operating ALL.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained (been given) an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose (save all mankind) of him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent (commissioned/commanded) the Son (the WORD) to be saviour of the world.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return into me void, but it (the WORD, CHRIST) shall accomplish that which I please, and it (CHRIST) shall prosper in the thing (salvation of the world) whereto I sent it.

He who fills ALL in ALL.....Father of ALL.....who is OVER ALL...THROUGH ALL....IN ALL

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body (each of us), the FULLNESS OF HIM that filleth ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL and in you ALL.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of ALL men, specially those that believe.

1 Timothy 3:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

Hello Paul. I would agree with your statement, though I would used the word 'pre-ordained', and one needs to understand certain things. We see in Ephesians 1:4,5, that God "hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." Here we see that God has already chosen who would belong to Him even before the worlds were made, that we should be a holy people & predestined to be His children by adoption, because of the sacrifice of His Son for us. Even though that comes through as a mouthful, we can appreciate that Work of God through Christ because of Who God is & that all knowledge belongs to Him.

Similarly, in 1 Peter 1:1,2, Peter is writing to the "strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia". These 'strangers' were those of the dispersion (many of whom there as a result of Acts 8:1 & other associated persecutions). And these strangers were now residing in those areas of Asia Minor & would have included both converted Jews & Gentiles. To these, Peter addresses them as sojourners or pilgrims, who are "the elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."

So these scattered believers are considered as the elect of God because of God's foreknowledge, because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, & because of the virtue of Christ's Blood (application & sealing of the New Covenant) upon them (alluding to the animal blood of the Old Testament that was sprinkled on the altar confirming the Covenant by God to Israel). Therefore, our salvation has been pre-ordained or pre-appointed by God but that is based on Him already knowing about it. We still have to hear the Gospel, be convicted of sin & respond with repentance & faith ( Acts 3:19).

Brother Scott, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endue to the END (times), the same shall be saved.

You say the subject is end times and tribulation.

Did the people 1900 years ago have to consider this verse also. Did they died without Christ; not making it to the end times and tribulation. Whats going to happen to you if you die before the tribulation and the end times come. I don't think you understand End TIME and TRIBULATION.

Revelation 22:10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

I COME QUICKLY

Revelation 3:11

Revelation 22:7

Revelation 22:12

Revelation 22:20

Revelation 2:16

Revelation 11:14

Revelation 2:5

It has been 2000 year since these words were written; is that QUICKLY, perhaps with more study and more REVELATION, TRUTH would be more clear.

Hebrews 9:28

Colossians 3:4

He APPEARS to us now in TRUTH of HIS WORD (written and living, Holy Spirit). At the death of this body of flesh (end time) he shall APPEAR to us to FACE to FACE.

1 John 3:2

Ephesians 4:13

Ephesians 1:10

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...

Psalm 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Sacha, 'Abba' means Daddy :)

Hi Renee,

J vernon Mcgee.

what is the name of the Commentary you are using

Brother Mitchell, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

When you came to the understanding that WE CAN DO NOTHING; but, Christ does all things for us. You will BE SET FREE.

You want have to achieve the hope set before you, Christ started it. he will complete it. In fact; Christ sees it as already COMPLETE. This is what is meant by coming INTO HIS REST; the works were completed before the foundations of the world were laid.

Ephesians 1:4

Hebrews 4:3

John 15:5

Psalms 92:4-6

YOU ARE DEAD (on your cross); He is alive on HIS THRONE (in you) living HIS life FOR YOU.

YOU have become ONE WITH CHRIST.

John 17:21

Luke 14:27

Matthew 10:38

Luke 9:23

We are THE POT he is THE POTTER.

CAN SALVATION BE LOST?

May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW...

Very few will disagree that God creates every man; since, he created the reproductive process of man; therefore, he FOREKNOWS everyone.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW, he did ALSO PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON, that he might be the FIRSTBORN among many BRETHERN.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did PREDESTINATE, them he also CALLED (presently God is ONLY CALLING those that will be PRIEST in HIS KINGDOM) (the servants in the kingdom will be called at the second resurrection), and whom he CALLED, them HE JUSTIFIED: and whom he JUSTIFIED, them he also GLORIFIED.

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW in number ....

Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the FIRE (IN CHRIST; Hebrews 12:29), and burn (purify; Malachi 3:2-3) them in the FIRE (IN Christ); for thereof (the Priest) shall a FIRE (the saints judging the world; Revelation 21:8) come forth to the house of Israel.

NO ONE is going to alter GOD's PLAN; whatever God PREDESTINED that you are going to do in his kingdom, YOU WILL DO.

All is the works of God; he uses man to do the labour.

1 Peter 1:2

Ephesians 1:5

Romans 9:13

John 5:70

Ephesians 1:4

Brother adam, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

we don't have to wait for judgement day to be born again (saved).

ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners he died for us.

psalms 106:8 nonetheless he saved them for his name sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.

isaiah 43:25 i, even i, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake....

jeremiah 14:7 o lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name ....

ezekiel 20:44 and ye shall know that i am the lord, when i have wrought with you for my name .....

there is dozens of scriptures that say, god does everything for his name; we are the beneficiaries of his works; for his name.

we are graced!

(Part 2)

Jesus Himself said in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will NEVER CAST OUT." Jesus goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up in the last day." If you read John 17:11-12, you see that we are kept by God's power.

I firmly believe in the permanency of salvation because the Bible teaches that God is the One who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 that grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.

In 1 John Chapter 5 Verse 18, John says "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God IS KEEPING him, and the evil one does not touch him." John also says in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will NEVER PERISH FOREVER and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit. He says in Ephesians 1:13-14, "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

Paul says again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."

(One more post to come)

Thank you for your reply Michael,

I agree with you that we have the New Covenant now. Surrounding Jesus Christ our Lord and receiving the Holy Spirit of promise Ephesians 1:7-14. It seems we agree on everything. I read the book of Hebrews regularly. As stated that I just think the Ten Commandments are "good". Just a beginning. Not that we are under the law of the Old Covenant. As I believe brother Chris stated in a post that our righteousness is to exceed them who followed the law Matthew 5:20. Like in the statement I made as to where I strive to keep every day Holy not just one a week. So he who thinks the Sabbath should be on a Saturday really doesn't matter. Jesus stating that even being angry with thy brother is in danger or who just looks on a woman to lust after her hath already committed adultery Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 5:27-28.

When Jesus Christ gave the two greatest commandments to hang all the law and the prophets. He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18. Which also being stated by another were not of the Ten Commandments. Pointing to exceed the old law with the new law which is on our hearts and exceedingly vast.

We having been Blessed to receive the Holy Ghost from above whom is our teacher now. Having the Spirit of Christ in us to help us walk as He did, and follow after Him, as He is the only way to the Father. Living for the Will of our Father in Heaven doing what pleases Him. Producing good fruit in the Spirit. John 8:29.

If I had to choose which Testament is more important I would most definitely choose the NT. Though the OT has many, many, things that are still very important. Also things that are really of no avail to us. Just letting the Spirit guide us to the righteous and important things in the OT. Even with the Apocrypha books and the Book of Enoch. As they have things in them that connect directly to the teachings in the Holy Bible. Let the Spirit guide us to truth. Micah 6:8.

God Bless you Michael

Pat, I checked all those references you shared but couldn't find anything pertaining to the 'future mark of the beast' as associated with those who would worship on a Sunday. The Seal of God as I understand it, is what believers receive by the Holy Spirit ( Ephesians 1:13), sealing them as children of God & there doesn't seem to be any reference to Sabbath-keepers. Could you enlighten me further? Thank you.

Danise, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in times past ye (we) walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom ALSO WE ALL had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of our flesh and of the mind; and were by NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect; yet NOT THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the WISDOM OF GOD in a mystery, even the hidden WISDOM, which God ORDAINED BEFORE THE WORLD unto OUR glory.

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Paul said God made him an example to all men. Paul was zealous for killing God's people. When ones appointed time from God comes; GOD WILL CAUSE YOUR WILL TO BECOME HIS WILL just as he did to Paul. WE were all born into IGNORANCE. We ALL killed CHRIST; and whatsoever you are doing to God's children you are doing unto Him.

Ephesians 1:11 .....according to the purpose of HIM who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL...

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (SPIRIT) WHO WORKETH in you BOTH (you and Christ) to will and to do of HIS good pleasure.

Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the Lord men DEPART FROM EVIL.

God's works and will; WILL BE DONE.