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Thank you for your comment. I will respond later as I'm away from my computer today. Adam has done well in giving you an accurate answer, but I will get back to you.

I understand Chris's comment just fine and agree. I think maybe you assumed something else.

For example you wrote: "How can a wife and her husband commit adultery with each other as you tell us they can.?"

They commit adultery by cheating on each other by sleeping with other partners. Obviously a married couple isn't sinning by being only with each other. Fornication means unmarried people are having relations.

Helen,

"What if God needs me to fight but I can't remember verses."

Leave "what if" to God, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:10

Now how I am able to present you that verse, is not because I remember it by book, chapter and verse, but instead, by remembering the subject of his ordaining our walk in good works, context and content. From there I use the search/concordance to focus on words I know are in the verse, to find exactly what God has said.

The Lord Jesus quoted some scripture, but unlike the scribes and Parisees, he demonstrated the grace and heart of God. He spoke as the person who cared for them by helping them understand, because God cared for them. If the best you can do is remember what God has said, it is far far more important to other people than where he said it, which they can look up for themselves, if need be that important to them. Seeing for themselves is what God want's from them anyway.

As a Christian you are in the fight, the armor is defensive, to keep you safe from being disabled, so don't take on an anxious/fearful position of not being good enough to represent our God. Keep growing in his grace.

I am encouraged to hear your desire to please our God.

Chris this is a quote from your comment--"Fornication cannot take place within marriage - if there is unfaithfulness, then it's called adultery."

How do you explain the following?

The following verse gives a man and his wife instructions not to sin. "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord" ( Colossians 3:18). This indicates a man and his wife can do what is unfit and the cross reference to "as it is fit in the Lord" refers one to Ephesians 5:3, "But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not be once named among you." Throughout scripture many verses tell a man and his wife there is a form of sexual behavior they should not engage in.

Fornication is clearly defined in Jude 1:7 as being the sex in Sodom and Gomorrah. "Sodom and Gomorrah giving themselves over to fornicationare set forth for an example." So we can see that God forbids all men and women, including husbands and wives to use their bodies for fornication. This truth is reinforced and made clear in 1 Corinthians 6:13 where it declares, "The body is not made for fornication, but for the Lord.

How can a wife and her husband commit adultery with each other as you tell us they can.?

"When fornication ends all the sins above will end"(?). I'm sorry, I've tried desperately to understand where you're coming from with this belief & though you've not stated it, I think that your belief stems from a skewed understanding of God's Word that has been introduced to you. You're coming from a standpoint that fornication is the root of all sin, therefore seeing it in every Scripture that relates to any sin. I really encourage you to do a fresh reading of God's Word & see how far off the track you've gone by forcing sexual sin to be the common denominator to every other sin.

Even with the Romans passage you've quoted, fornication has been 'forced' into its meaning. Why was "the Wrath of God revealed from Heaven?" Because in their darkened hearts, they chose to worship the creation rather than their Creator: idolatry was their sin, not fornication. And because of their idolatry, God gave them up to the other sins of: various lusts, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, envy, murder, etc. Sins do not start from fornication - Adam did not fornicate: he had a natural beautiful relationship with his newly created wife until the great deception came upon them. Fornication cannot take place within marriage - if there is unfaithfulness, then it's called adultery.

You have every right to present your views but as you can see, you will get very little or no support to them, at least from those who have some knowledge of the Bible. Do you really believe that such views as you hold could ever convince us that fornication is the root of all sin? One would have to throw out the intent of a whole lot of Scripture to entertain your views. And you've chosen not to further debate my presentation of the earlier Scriptures you've given: rather you should have eagerly challenged me over them & defended your understanding if you're truly serious about conveying your sincere beliefs. I hope that with the time we've spent on this, that you may read the Word differently.

Notice that all sins come from fornication.

Romans 1; 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When fornication ends all the sins above will end. Murder comes from the minds of the fornicators. Murder will end. It would be love for all humans to put an end to fornication, unnatural sex. It is the foundation of all our social ills.

Ephesians 5:21-31. To God Be All The Glory!!!

Also you may like Ephesians 5:22-25

Hello Tim,

( 1 Peter 3 is probably what you're looking for. Also saying how husbands should give honor unto the wife.

God Bless.

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In the Christian love feasts/gatherings, they were spots (Gk. hidden reefs/rocks that cause shipwreck) against the solidness of the Church, appearing to bring worthwhile teaching but were just dry clouds, as trees with dried, dying fruit on them but also doubly dead with rotting root as well (roots that no longer bound the tree into the earth, but could easily be 'plucked up' with little effort), etc., etc. When you see this, "beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ". It may well be that these "filthy dreamers" were introducing fornication into the Church as well, supporting their teaching that gives permission to the appeal of the flesh, but the message of Jude is to beware of these men who are children of Satan & who do not come in the Name of the Lord, neither do they teach nor behave as children of Light.

"What do I think of Christianity today?" By & large, the Church is not in a good state - we have left some of the apostolic teaching, vibrancy & urgency to both the saved & the lost. The Church essentially has lost its witness & the World loves to have it this way - the World then can have no Divine pronouncement of Judgement against their wicked deeds. Jesus' message to the 7 Churches should also be given heed today. Hypocrisy & compromise are the Churches' leading errors & our abject failure to bring the requirements of God to the forefront of the secular world; & I refer to the failure of our fundamental, evangelical Churches. But to those Churches that entertain marriage of homosexuals, women clergy, ordination of women/homosexuals, & turning a blind eye to the same conditions of Sodom in our cities & maybe within the Church as well, (& with govts. pandering to homosexuals' demands, remain equally culpable before God), it would be like walking on the circumference of Hell. Indeed, the Church at large is in a mess, but there is still a remnant that are led of God's Spirit & are in anguish.

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Actually, I meant 'physical death', as you mentioned those who "walk uprightly & if they then fall dead". If they're upright, then no death; if they fall, then death, is how I understand your statement. Or maybe, we need to define 'uprightness & righteousness' pertaining to how the upright might fall. And of course, death (both physical & spiritual) must come to us as we are sinners deserving of both. Had Adam not sinned, he would not have died in both ways. One day, I will die physically because of sin, but through Christ & God's Mercy, I will be spared spiritual death.

I know there are some sins more 'severe' than others, but the Bible doesn't differentiate that any 'lesser' sin committed can spare man from God's Judgement. You seem to have settled in your mind, that fornication is the 'ultimate, deadliest' sin. I don't know where you have learned this or maybe been a witness to such a tragedy that has deeply affected you. One can never discount this sin, but really, is it any greater than murder, theft, rape, deceit, hypocrisy, etc.? Is the murder of George Floyd any less or greater a murder than of an unborn child? Is the rampage & desecration of the Capitol any less or greater a crime than of one breaking in & destroying your home & privacy? All are sin before God: whether fornication of the most despicable sort or the lust conceived in the heart of man.

You quote Jude, but again, I feel that I need to share a little about the book, since you are seeing 'fornication' written all over it. Jude in verse 3 writes about those 'men, ungodly men, who crept into the Church'. Jude gives examples of God's past Judgements (as given to the Egyptians, the angels who rebelled along with Satan, & to Sodom). As with them, these ungodly men will not escape, these who have done the works of Cain (wrong hearts/motives/rebellion), of Balaam (greed), & of Core (Korah: insubordination, rebellious, desire to be prominent).

Do you mean physical death or spiritual death. If you mean spiritual death, then you must understand that you can be once dead or twice dead. Those given to fornication are twice dead as stated in the book of Jude. That means their sin is more deadly than a lesser sin. The hypocrites will be accused of neglecting the weightier matters of the law. Yes, fornication is a greater sin.

What do you think of the Christianity of today marrying and ordaining the homosexuals?

If God commands us not to do something and we do it ,that is sin ,wether He tells us not to eat that fruit or not to covet our neighbours ox or not to commit adultery ,its all sin ,you seem to want to focus on sexual sins which is ok but in doing so you may be not noticing all the other potential sins possibly going on around you.

So, I gather that you believe that unless an 'upright & righteous' person falls into sin (particularly fornication), he won't suffer death.

Then the question: who is an upright & righteous person? Is he a sinner that hasn't fallen into sin? Can such a person exist given the transmission of the sin nature to all? Do any of his other sins count as being equally heinous before God or only those of a sexual nature? Indeed, why just focus on this type of sin, when all other sins is equally abhorrent to God & which sends people to hell?

Yes, when a person commits fornication they fall and they die. Sin is deadly. But a person must leave being upright and righteous to fall dead as stated in Pro 2:13, "Who leave the paths of uprightness to walk in the ways of darkness." They are upright before they fall.

A person must leave being upright to walk in the fallen state of sin. And the sin of fornication makes a spiritual darkness on earth. Today the darkness is everywhere and is the condition that is responsible for all our social ills.

You're correct - my Bible too gives the word as "fell". But why I say that 'fell' means 'died' is because of the longer account of this tragedy in Numbers 25:1-9. You will see it there. Of course, from your reading you will also notice the difference in the number who 'died': in Numbers it is given as 24,000, whereas Paul indicates 23,000. In case you raise this matter with me, this 'discrepancy' has been explained by the fact that in Numbers, the total number of people killed is given (i.e. 23,000 killed by the plague & the other 1,000 killed by Phinehas). But if you need another option to this: the number killed may have been somewhere between 23,000 & 24,000, in which case Paul uses the former & in Numbers, the latter is given. I think this last option deals with the 'discrepancy' better.

So, they were certainly not "upright before they fell" - they were 'downright bad folk' whom God severely dealt with.

When you say they died but did not fall, my Bible states that they fell. 1 Corinthians 10:8 "Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousands." What version do you read? I use the KJV. They had to be upright before they fell. God tells us if sinners entice thee, do not consent. If you do not consent then you do not fall. But is you consent to commit fornication you will fall.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved!

Act 16:30. ...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ephesians 2:8...For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 5:18...And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19.Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20. Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21.Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Try not to worry about what any one thinks of you or believes about you ,God knows your heart and you are precious to Him ,He will walk every where with you ,His love will get you through all your troubles ,trust Him completely ,he will never forsake you and He knows all about you and loves you totally ,He will bring you closer and closer to Him so that you wont ever worry about other peoples opinions of you ,your relationship with Him is your most important one ,stay strong in Him .

Sacha, thank you very, very much for taking your time to pray for me and encourage me. I printed it so I will read it everyday. It's that I know Jesus has healed me because by His stripes we are healed. It's the matter of the manifestation, a miracle. People will not believe of God's power in supernatural miracles if I look the same. Thank you very much and God bless you everyday.

Im so sorry for you Patricia ,i have no idea what you are going through but you must know that where ever you are God and Jesus are right in that room with you right now ,they are holding your hand and they wont let go of you for one second ,trust in their love ,they will get you through this .

Some churches preach to this day that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments when He died on the cross. They proclaim this assumption by using Ephesians 2:15 as their basis of evidence, which says. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;..." The obvious truth here is, that the verse states that it was the Commandments contained in ORDINANCES that was abolished at the cross. Not the Ten Commandments contained in stone. The passage in Colossians 2:14-17 has also been used to preach the Commandments abolished. But if you read it you will find it was, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances", again that is mentioned in that passage. According to the Word of God, these ordinances were "added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" ( Galatians 3:19) It's rather clear to see here that the "commandments contained in ordinances" were added by Moses for a specific reason. If we read the passage again we see it also states these ordinances were only added TILL the seed should come. And who was this seed according to Scripture? Galatians 3:16 boldly proclaims, "thy seed, which is Christ."

The commandments contained in ordinances were added by Moses thousands of years ago as a way to prepare the people for the FIRST arrival of Messiah. They showed their faith in the coming Messiah by keeping the ordinances on a regular basis. When Jesus died on the cross, the ordinances were no longer needed because he fulfilled them by all He did while visiting us as Messiah. The "ordinances" were a series holy days, new moons, and Sabbath days that were to be considered a "shadow of things to come." The word "ordinance" is NOT the same as the word "commandment." where in the Ten Commandments does it speak of "meat and drink?" Nowhere do we find such statements in the Law of God.

Please pray for me I am at the point where I beg God every night that I wake up in heaven. But... I am still here. Thank you and God bless you.

You are so right ,God and Jesus are always with us ,they will not ever leave us ,we are never alone ,the more we lean on them the more they support us ,may God bless you and keep you safe and happy and healthy and very close to Him .

I had a dream or a vision of my future. I woke up and everything I looked up helped understand what God was telling me. This came at a time where I was starting to lose faith. I dont know if your reading and your down on your luck, losing faith, or everything is going your way. I just want you to remember God will never leave you.

Thank you very much brother God bless you more wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

2 Peter 3:8 is part of Peter's instruction to the Church, maybe the same as in his first epistle (to the believers scattered in Asia Minor). His warning that in the last days (i.e. the days after the close of the apostolic era), scoffers will arise raising questions & doubts as to when the promise of Jesus' coming will actually happen. Both Jesus & the apostles spoke of a believers' readiness & expectancy of Jesus' coming, & since this event had not happened, certain Christians were raising doubts that this teaching was false.

Peter then goes on to give two reasons why Jesus' coming will happen: 1. God's Promise is sure. Just as God waited till the extent of mankind's sins were too great & then enveloped the Earth by a Flood, so to is God holding back His Judgement against the Earth now until the appointed time. 2. God's clock & calendar is not human-based. God is not bound by or ruled by time: one day in Heaven is like a thousand years or a thousand years, as one day. There's no calendar, nor day or night or even an awareness of the passing of time. We on Earth can't comprehend such a state of being, but in God's Presence, time does not matter, as in eternity, time does not exist.

Benjamin ,Jacobs youngest ,Rachel died soon after he was born and she was buried near Bethlehem .

I wonder what this verse mean?

2 Peter 3:8

New King James Version

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Is anyone can explain this verse please.

Thank you!

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