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what i can say the church of ehesians is only a mirror for today's believers that do't lose our Love toward chrirt.amen!!!

Most of the above translations refer to separate buildings framed or joined together. This is a reference to both the Kingdom Church with Israel in view and the Body of Christ, which is the church of today, consisting of both saved Jews and Gentiles. Both structures are based on the Lord and grows into becoming the habitation of God throughout all eternity. Amen

This is my response to Ciscokid on Eph 2:9. That salvation is by Grace through faith alone is clear according to this verse, that no man may boast one day in heaven that it is through their meritorious works (see also Eph 2v5). The things mentioned such as prayer, fasting etc. will not save one from the righteous judgment of God. It is the Blood of Christ alone and faith in that blood that saves man. Believe and be saved. That's all God asks of us, nothing more

this verse teaches that if you add any thing to the grace of God,it makes void the gift,it nullifies the gift of God, Ephesians 2:8,9 Titus 3:5 John 1:12 Acts 15:11. Shortly before Jesus died he made it very clear the repented thief could do nothing but except the gift of God, he confessed he was a sinner and put his faith in Christ,salvation by Grace plus nothing else.

Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles. To him was given the message for this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the Grace of God, with its one body, being the Church, the Body of Christ. This is the one new man that is spoken of in this passage. Galations makes it further clear that the Law of Commandments was indeed abolished as Salvation is by Grace through Faith and that not of Works (of the Law) ( Eph 2 v 8-9). We should rightly divide the Word of Truth if we are to properly understand even straight forward passages such as this ( 2 Tim 2 v 15)

In the time pased God loves for us is unconditoinal love, he knew each an every one our sins but yet he still love us, for by his grace he saved us from our sin...

in time past we were dead in sin like others . the riches of the grace has made us what we are today so let us use the opportunity given to us to serve him with fear and trembling and show mercy and love to others who have not yet known the true

This GREAT love of God is towards all humanity (mankind)and not only to believers. If you have not yet trusted the Lord Jesus Christ to save you, know that God loves you and Christ died for your sins. Believe and be saved.

Juan, don't be confused. Jesus had many titles in the Bible and they all applied! Here are a few more and where to find them.

Chief Cornerstone: ( Ephesians 2:20)
Firstborn over all creation: ( Colossians 1:15)
Holy One: ( Acts 3:14; Psalm 16:10)
Judge: ( Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:8)
King of kings and Lord of lords: ( 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 19:16)
Light of the World: ( John 8:12
Prince of peace: ( Isaiah 9:6)
Son of God: ( Luke 1:35; John 1:49)
Son of man: ( John 5:27)
Word: ( John 1:1; 1 John 5:7-8)
Word of God: ( Revelation 19:12-13)
Word of Life: ( 1 John 1:1)
Alpha and Omega: ( Revelation 1:8; 22:13)
Emmanuel: ( Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:23)
I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14)
Lord of All: ( Acts 10:36)
True God: ( 1 John 5:20)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith: ( Hebrews 12:2)
Bread of Life: ( John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom: ( Matthew 9:15)
Deliverer: ( Romans 11:26)
Good Shepherd: ( John 10:11,14)
High Priest: ( Hebrews 2:17)
Lamb of God: ( John 1:29)
Mediator: ( 1 Timothy 2:5)
Rock: ( 1 Corinthians 10:4)
Resurrection and Life: ( John 11:25)
Savior: ( Matthew 1:21; Luke 2:11)
True Vine: ( John 15:1)
Way, Truth, Life: ( John 14:6)

Truly we are only saved by grace...through faith in God and no other way. We are really truly blessed to received Christ as our Lord and personal saviour.

Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:9
Because of Ephesians 2:9 some believers have the outrageous idea that works will not save. So I say to them Ephesians 2:9 is only saying that the SELF RIGHTEOUS works of man will not save him. Ephesians is only speaking of MANS self righteousness works--not the works of GOD--which we MUST obey to be saved. e.g. repentance ,praying, fasting, doing the WORKS of God. This scripture has been butchered--in order to rid man of his obligations to OBEY Gods word.
Yes works do SAVE--BUT it's the works of God --which save.-

(This is my response to John Juai's comment dated 8/13/2013 at 10:38pm on Ephesians Chapter 2 about verse 6):

On the day of judgement which is the time of the dead when they should be judged, GOD shall give reward unto King David being one of HIS servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear God's name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth ( Revelation 11:18).

God sanctified us in Jesus Christ. A new creature, a clean thing out of an unclean.

"But God commanded his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8).

"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;" ( Ephesians 2:1).

He washed us clean with the blood of Lord Jesus.

It seems that we have forgotten about Ephesians 2:8 & 9. We are saved by Grace. Baptism does not save us. We get baptized because we are saved.

Messiah has taken away the entire law of the first covenant and replaced it with a pure and simple covenant command in which the whole torah of the first covenant is fulfilled and also that the new command now gives us the ability to produce fruits to Father which the dead works of the first covenant torah could not produce. Praise Father in the name of Yahushua!

heaven

Jesus said, "No one has ascended to heaven but HE who came down from heaven,that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." Where is king David now?

we our born with the old nature romans 5:12.if we become a Christian we have a new nature. saved are lost we all have the old nature and only the Lord knows who are truly saved. Satan means accuser of the brethren and devil means slander. when we live in the sprit we have the fruits of the spirit. Galatians 5:22-26. If we walk in the flesh Galatians 5:17-21 is the outcome. A Christian can sin but will be convicted and possible chastening of the Lord. Hebrews 12:3-8. Those who are without Christ in there heart have no real power to please Jesus, and only he knows who is Saved. Jesus said enter in at the narrow gate, because wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many people go there in . But few find the narrow gate. Ephesians 2:8,9.

Praise GOD. Satán the god of this world. Isthe prince of the power of the air. He blind the minds of the rebels.

Romans 10 is powerful! Especially Romans 10:9@10. It actually instructs a sinner how to be saved. Why not use this scripture along with Ephesians 2: 8-10. The Word is powerful. Please explain to me why these scriptures should not be used when leading one into salvation.

My comment comes from versuses 5-10 of this chapter: Now from what was said in versuses 5-10 we can clearly see that the Law is not our savior; but our mirror, So we can not go around thinking that we our saved because we obey the whole law; NO; For Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:(9)Not of works, lest any man should boast. .........So if we where saved by our obedience to the Law, then we could judge all those who don't; Which is what alot of us do, because alot of us still believe subconsciously, that we our saved because of our obedience to the Law.... But don't get it twisted; For Romans 6:23 says,(23)"For the wages of sin is death"... So the Law exposses sin, and is the reason why you might be missing out on things in life; But not the reason that God has excepted, or not excepted you as one of his own. CHILDREN; IT'S ALL ABOUT LOVE, AND EVERYTHING ESLE WILL FOLLOW. So please strive for LOVE!

One of the greatest promises regarding God's eternal purpose which means a continuous un-veling of things He has planned forever....and we will be partakers of them all...

We are the excellent work of God 2corinthians 5:17 We must work in the newness of live in CHRIST

We have to keep in mind this Epistle was written by Paul. Peter warns us in 2 Peter 3 15-16, that we are to be careful in interpreting Paul's letters. Through this p***age we can plainly see that Christ abolished the "Enmity" or hostility between the House of Israel and the House of Judah. I think that to correctly interpret this p***age we need to remember that Israel became a divided nation. They split into Northern (House of Israel) and Southern (House of Judah) kingdoms. Many interpret the next part of the verse to mean that the Law has been abolished. This interpretation is in direct conflict with many other scriptures such as Romans 3:31, and can lead to the error of lawlessness as Peter said (referenced above). The King James bible says "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the Law of commandments contained in ordinances.....". I believe what Paul is trying to get across is that Christ has brought peace. He has brought and end to enmity, or hostility or any dispute even regarding the Law of Commandments contained in ordinances.

This might be related to Ephesians 2:6 whereby we are "seated in the heavenly realm". Perhaps the indwelling of the Holy Spirit allows us to be "in heaven" in a sense when we walk in the Spirit. Well I hope this for all of us, myself certainly included! Wesley's interpretation is very good and I like all the comments above.

i love that we are saved by his grace and not of our works. im not the most active person

It is a very good verse

I take it to heart for the Lord said it is so, and if any thinks that he/she can get in heaven any other way then he/she is a fool. But I still love all as my lord Jesus does. Amen.

@Walt,
You say: “…gentiles were excluded from Moses covenant until the cross … The four gospels should be part of the Old Testament.” Let’s “zoom out” of Ephesians 2, and take a look at the whole Bible from “an eagle’s eye view”. The plan of salvation did not begin with the Jews; it was conceived before the foundation of the world 1 Peter 1:19. First, it was revealed to Adam and Eve after the fall Genesis 3:15. Then Enoch, Noah and Job preached it. Melchizedek, serving as the priest of the Most High preached it. And finally it was promised to Abraham, in whose seed all the nations would be blessed. The plan of salvation has different stages: It began in the Garden of Eden, continued until the Flood, then after the Flood with Noah and his family until Abraham. The Jewish Nation followed. God’s prophets continued to preach until Christ came, and He continued to preach “the Kingdom of God” until His ascension. After that, the Apostles followed including Paul. The plan of salvation included the whole world from the beginning. Though the shortest, the “Jewish period” period was the most important. But The Gospel of the Kingdom of God was the same from the beginning to “the end”, having at the center Jesus Christ, The Savior of the world. This is what Jesus was trying to explain to His people, when they wanted to kill Him: “Search the scriptures (the Old Testament); for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” John 5:39. On the road to Emmaus, “beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself” Luke 24: 27. Conclusion: You can’t separate The Old from The New Testament. It is just one message, one plan of salvation, one Christ.

All true believers who have a spiritual encounter in CHRIST with the Holy Spirit and born again are in the God`s family. The Holy Spirit knits all believers together so that they corporately become a living and holy temple. We are joined to CHRIST by HIS SPIRIT.Spiritually we are birthed through the Holy Spirit and biologically through our genes, we have a natural family.