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Hi Grae

In answer to your question about keeping all the laws of Moses ? and sacrifice a lamb every morning and every evening ?

My understanding is the 10 commandments are Gods Law/ Moral Law and is unchangeable, binding all of every age and over rules Man's Law.

Law of Moses is Ceremonial Law/ Sacrificial system. it's rites pointed to our promised Saviour, Jesus Christ. After sacrificing his life for us, Ceremonial/ Sacrificial system became null and void. It is the purpose of the enemy to lead people to confuse Gods Law/ Moral Law with the Ceremonial Law.

References; Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2: 14-17, Hebrews 9: 8-9

Blessed be in Christ

There are 27 scriptures that say it was a cross. Only 2 say Pole

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Galatians 5:11

And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Galatians 6:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Ephesians 2:16

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Philippians 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Philippians 3:18

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Colossians 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Colossians 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

*Next 2 verses referring to Jesus

Numbers 21:8

And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a POLE: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, SHALL LIVE.

Numbers 21:9

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, HE LIVED.

Hey Charles,

Thank you, may your lamp be full, and your talents be more than you were given. Many find teachers with pleasing words, feel good for a day, back in the world after walking out the door, and not truly repenting, thinking everything is hunky-dory. I don't believe sin goes dormant, there is a battle every day between the flesh and the Spirit in our conscience/spirit.

It is the Holy Spirit's work that empowers us to do our purpose. Like Paul said in Romans 7:18-19 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Hebrews 12:1-3 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

God bless,

RLW

John 3:16; John 5:24; John 6:37-40,47; John 10:27-29; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:38,39; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 13:5; 1 John 5:11-13; Jude 1:24 - are a few examples, all promising the true child of God that his/her salvation is secure forever.

Yet 1 John 3:7-10 reveals the two-faced 'Christian': having every appearance of serving God, but has sin dominating his life; living carelessly & not carefully.

I found this verse, Ephesians 2:15

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" King James Version (KJV)

But this is the commandments in the ordinances, like what to eat or not eat and so on , not the commandments but everything Jesus and his Apostles said to do is a commandment. Jesus said he didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill the law. But you know what you can follow the law not to be saved but because you want to honor God or for benefit

I hope this helps, Romans 14:12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Doesn't in collude sins

Hi BMW.

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(3) Gentiles were not required, but had the privilege of, joining the Hebrew family via the proselytization process (cf. Acts 2:10; 13:16). Additionally, there were many instructions in Moses' law designed to benefit the "strangers" (Gentiles) who came among Israelite people ( Leviticus 19:33ff).

(4) The Lord sent Jonah to the Gentiles of Nineveh ( Jonah 3:1). Archer said that the theme of the book of Jonah "is that God's mercy and compassion extend even to the heathen nations on condition of their repentance" (1964, 295). Jonah is sometimes called "the first apostle to the Gentiles."

(5) Four Gentile women were woven into the genealogical fabric of the Messiah-Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba-in both legal and biological senses ( Matthew 1:5-6; Luke 3:31-32).

(6) In addition, the prophets clearly revealed Jehovah's redemptive concern for the Gentiles, who were to be grafted into the New Testament church on an equal basis with the Jews ( Genesis 17:4; 22:18; Psalms 2:8; Isaiah 42:1, 6; 49:6; cf. Romans 11:1ff; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:11ff).

Conclusion

There always has been a way for honest people to be right with their Creator-if they seek after him and choose to please him ( Acts 17:27ff). God so loved the entire world and gave his Son as a potential redeeming sacrifice for all who avail themselves of his gift ( John 3:16). He is the loving benefactor to everyone who submits to his will in faithful obedience ( 1 Timothy 2:4; Hebrews 5:8-9; cf. 2 Peter 3:9).

Article by Wayne Jackson.

I share this information for one to go over. I haven't had the time to do no more than glance over the beginning being I'm out town on business again.

Hopefully some others can share on this great question you asked.

God bless.

Hi BMW.

Part 6.

EVIDENCE OF DIVINE CONCERN FOR THE GENTILES. Continued.

(1) The practice of offering sacrifices as atonement, typically foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, apparently was a human requirement from the very commencement of history. Abel, son of Adam and Eve, brought the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" ( Genesis 4:4). The offering must have been killed, otherwise he could not have presented the fat, which was the best part. Moreover, we are told that "righteous Abel" (so designated by Jesus [ Matthew 23:35]) offered his sacrifice "by faith" ( Hebrews 11:4), which, in the overall context of this chapter, clearly is an objective faith grounded in revelation, and not that which was subjectively whimsical.

When Noah departed from the ark after the waters of the flood subsided, he built an altar and offered sacrifices of every clean animal and bird, and Jehovah was pleased with his offering ( Genesis 8:20-21). What compelled him to do such?

Melchizedek, whom Abraham encountered on his return from the rescue of his nephew, was designated by Moses as a "priest of God Most High" ( Genesis 14:18). A priest is an appointed servant who officiates in the offering of sacrifices to atone for sin. The modernistic notion that Melchizedek was merely the "high god" priest of the Canaanites (e.g., Baal), worshipped in pre-Israelite Jerusalem, is absurd (Hicks 1962, 343). God would hardly have chosen a Baal-worshipper to be a type, prophetically previewing his Son ( Hebrews 7:3). See also Leupold (1942, 463).

(2) The entire world population was one in kind prior to the call of Abraham. He was the first to be designated a Hebrew ( Genesis 14:13). The Hebrews were not set apart as a distinct people until the giving of the law of Moses ( Exodus 19:5-6; cf. Ephesians 2:14). It is wholly unrealistic not to recognize that God's love for the Gentiles was a part of the ancient world.

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Hi GiGi.

Good Question.

I'm not sure if this is the answer but We know by scripture Christ was prophesied as the savior to come into the world before the world began.

Ephesians 1:4.

1 Peter 1:19-21.

The volume of the book is written of Christ and his redemption plan.

See John 5:39.

Also " Hebrews 10:7. "

We that said your question reminds me of

Ephesians 2:6-7. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"THAT IN THE AGES TO COME" he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

This seems to imply that in the ages to come one would look back and see the love demonstrated orchestrated in these 66 books. which involves creation.

Just a perspective.

God bless.

Kinsman redeemer. Part 2.

We see in several verses Jews and Gentiles alike is redeemed by the blood of Christ, We are reconciled in one body. "Baptism"

Ephesians 2:11-22.

RECONCILIATION.

Romans 5:8-11.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT INPUTTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

Romans 3:21-22.

2 Corinthians 5:21.

The way God provides this righteousness is not by man's working for it, not by man's paying for it, not by man's getting it on the installment plan with the idea that he will pay later, but that God gives it to him. Man can receive it only by faith.

God bless.

I will comment on versus 14-15; the Old Testament was called the handwriting of ordinances as in Ephesians 2:14-16, which was blotted out as it was against Christians, being contrary to Christians. Christ, took it out of the way, nailing the Old Testament to his cross, spoiling the principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them.

Let us be warned not to take down from the cross what the Lord Jesus nailed there, to build his church, or we too will be transgressors, knowing that any Christians who obeys one Old Testament law, is under the curse to obey all of them. Galatians 3:10

I would like to comment on versus 14-16 here the Apostle Paul speaks about the Old Testament, which is also called the Mosaic Law, he first points out the Lord Jesus is our peace, who has made Jew and Gentile one. He also broke down the Old Testament, called the middle wall of partition, separating the Jew from the Gentile. Having abolished, meaning he destroyed the Old Testament, in his flesh, which was the war, or enmity, between Jew and Gentile, even the law of commandments from the O.T. contained in ordinances. In order to make in himself a new man, called a Christian, so making peace. Reconciling both Jew and Gentile unto God, in the body of Christ, by the cross, having slain or killed the Old Testament, which was the enmity, meaning war between those two.

Hi Rod; When speaking about the law being destroyed, I am talking about the Old Testament, which is also called the Mosaic Law. It was this law that was destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary according to the wisdom of the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing as Christians if we obey one of those laws we are cursed to obey them all. Galatians 3:10 which is a quotation from Deut. 27:26 Now in your argument you thought I was speaking about the Ten Commandments in stone according to Matthew 5:17-18 This is referred unto in scripture as the old covenant, as in Deut. 5:2-3 and Hebrews 9:4 These are two different laws, the one O.T. is the law of Moses, while the other one, old covenant, is the Law of the Lord, or Law of God, or moral law. These are not the same, although they share the same name as the word law, but have two distinct different meanings. While the Old testament was created by angels, as in Acts 7:53 and Galatians 3:19 knowing the word disposition and ordained share a similar meaning, to set in order or create, yet the Ten Commandments in stone, was written by the finger of God. Now this law had an expiry date, Christ did not come to destroy this law, but to fulfil this law, but once it was fulfilled it was then dead, as In Matthew 5:18 - Luke 16:16 - Romans 7:6-7 If you read carefully those scriptures I have mentioned, and need be, pray over them, you should come to the understanding of the Apostle Paul on this matter as he fought against obeying these two things in many of his epistles, as he was against Christians obeying the Old Testament and the old covenant. Because you mentioned the least commandments in Matthew 5:19 I would like to say, these twelve hundred commandments found in the gospels and epistles, are all to be considered the least commandments, while only the two greatest commandments on how to love God, and how to love your neighbor need interpretation by these least commandments of how this is done

Hi Chris; Whenever I refer unto the Old Testament I also call it the law of Moses, because he was the mediator between God and Israel, however; the old covenant simple means the Ten Commandments in stone as in Deuteronomy 5:2-3 & Hebrews 9:4 - Jer. 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-7 Genesis holds three covenants created before the Old Testament, Adam, Noah and Abraham all received a covenant, which was not the Old Testament. Then the angels created the Old Testament, Acts 7:53 & Galatians 3:19 During that dispensation, about 1,600 years or so, God gave the old covenant (Ten Commandments in stone) and the Davidical covenant, howbeit, neither of these were the Old Testament. It is generally speculated that the Old Testament has 613 laws, actually all of which should be in the book of Leviticus, meaning the O.T. specifically is only Leviticus, all other books before the New Testament are not the Old Testament, they are written during that dispensation, although some of them, like Exodus, numbers and Deuteronomy have some of the O.T. written within it. Therefore; you cannot put the four gospels in the Old Testament, as they do not contain any Old Testament laws, neither do they contain obedience to the old covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone. The old covenant was magnified by the Lord Jesus Christ Isaiah 42:21 making it spiritual, harder to obey, and was written in the heart of all Christians Jer. 31:31-34 - Hebrews 8:6-13 & James 1:21 This n.c. sets us free from the o.c. as in Romans 8 for the law of life in Christ Jesus, has made me free from the law of sin and death. It should be noted that the Old Testament was destroyed by the death of Christ on Calvary as in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing if we obey one commandment from that law we are cursed according to Gal. 3:10 and Deut. 27:26 Yet the old covenant was magnified, not destroyed, but fulfilled as in Matthew 5:17-18 although it had an expiry date, as in Luke 16:16 I hope this is clear.

Hi Chris;

Glad to see your interest in the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament, as the old covenant was writing with the finger of God, the Old Testament was created by angels. We are first told this truth from Steven in Acts 7:53 he taught the law of Moses was given by the disposition of angels, then the apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3:19 the Old Testament was ordained by angels. These words are interchangeable, as they have the same meaning, to set in order, or to create, meaning, it was not God who created the Old Testament, it was the angels. When understanding that this law was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary from Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 our focus must be only on those 613 laws regarding, the seven feasts of Israel, animal sacrifices, clean and unclean, new moons and sabbaths, and such like. We never refer to the prophecies that were written during that dispensation as part of the law being destroyed, as these were not the law of Moses at all. Just like Psalms and proverbs and so forth, these are not the Old Testament, they were written during that dispensation, but this does not make them part of that ceremonial law. Today we follow the New Testament and the new covenant, which are the Ten Commandments written in the heart, we also observe the gospel and the gospel of the kingdom, as Christians today, but we are forbidden to obey one Old Testament law as it will bring a curse upon Christians to obey all the O.T. Galatians 3:10 Therefore in conclusion, we understand the will of God today as follows, the gospel, the New Testament, the gospel of the kingdom and the new covenant. If you desire to learn the difference between any of these four categories which make up the will of God, please let me know and we can look into together. Stay blessed

Hi Rick Mentzer;

After reading your comment I see you are confusing the Old Testament with the old covenant, these are not the same thing, the old covenant is the Ten Commandments in stone, the Lord Jesus fulfilled it, then he took it away as it had an expiry date Matthew 5:18, it would only last until he fulfilled it. Christ did fulfill it by the time of John the Baptist, therefore he gave the expiry date again Luke 16:16 But when we speak about the Old Testament it was destroyed on the cross, being nailed to the cross and abolished Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 not the old English word abolished means to destroy.

Hi Rod;

I read what you wrote and questions have arisen from your thoughts, you stated the Old Testament was not destroyed based upon Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15, I think you should re=read those scriptures again and pray over them for meaning, also, if the Old Testament is not destroyed can you obey even one Old Testament law today? Knowing if you do, you are cursed as a Christians to obey all 613 laws from the Old Testament. Galatians 3:10 Then you said I should read Hebrews 9:11-14 stating the ordinances are no longer of value because of the blood of Christ, I do not think these verses are teaching what you are implying at all, as this is about the blood of Christ cleaning our conscience, not about him removing the Old Testament by his blood. You then went on to talk about the Ten Commandments in stone from Matthew 5:18 and then you quoted it again from Galatians 5:14, I will ask this question, do you know the difference between the old covenant and the Old Testament? By your thoughts it appears you think they are the same thing, otherwise why mention the Law of God, when I was talking about the Old Testament being destroyed? The Ten Commandments in stone is the old covenant, it is not a testament, please do not confuse them, they must be kept separate, as the old covenant was replaced with the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments in the heart. Hebrews 8:6-7 But the Old Testament was not replaced it was destroyed.

Amen ! Just believe the gospel. The gospel is so easy, there is nothing complicated.

You have only to BELIEVE for your salvation on Christ ALONE in his shed blood ! (you can read ephesians 2:8-9)

That he died for your sins on the cross, and was burried and rose again on the third day, thats it !

It seems you want to maintain or do works for your salvation ? This scripture about the

prisoners to visit is not for you sister its a tribulation thing.

Rick Haggett Man in Garden of eden lost spiritual connection Genesis 1:27 created in Gods own image [ John 2:24

God is Spirit], God in Genesis 2:7 formed man of the dust of the formed man dust of ground body then God breathed

into man breath of life and man became a living soul[breath life chai nephash] so man was body soul and spirit in the

beginning. When the downfall occurred man lost His spiritual connection with God and only had Body and soul no

spiritual connection. A person born again of Gods Spirit gets exactly that Gods gift of spiritual connection which was

lost in Genesis, that's why Ephesians 2:5 says when we were dead in trespasses and sins born that way all people after

Adam and Eve. The exception of course Jesus Christ. The Gift of God holy spirit is the quickening spirit it is eternal life.

When a christian dies I.E.falls asleep the spirit goes back to god who gave it the body dust of the ground and the soul

when we take out last breath that is the end of soul or breath life. When Christ returns for the church His body those

believed will be raised up and given a body like His glorious body, in the book of revelation the just and unjust will be

raised to face judgement according to the deeds or works. This is my understanding scripturally, the challenge that

presents itself here is biblically some teach spirit and soul are the same identical item but I don't see that scripturally.

The word spirit can be translated life breath wind so this must be understood in context of usage.

Yes I agree completely, we cannot earn our way to God, hopefully I didn't imply that we can. what I was saying in my post was that in Matthew 5:17, Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets, and the ordinances (not the laws) were abolished on the cross, ie. circumcision, sin offerings etc. that were required, Hebrews 9:8-14 explains this

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

Galatians 3:10-14 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

I'm a great sinner and thank God that Jesus is a greater Saviour. GB

Isaiah 53 Chastisement of Peace

In the Gospel of John chpt.14:27 Jesus Christ says Peace or unity will I leave with you not

as the world giveth [temporary] give I unto you, notice this is said right after he teaches about the Comforter

or the holy ghost coming and will teach us all things. When born again one of the great blessings of this is we

now have Gods peace via the spirit residing in us. This is one of the many things Jesus Christ made available when

he accomplished our redemption in His completed ministry. The word chastisement is to instruct which in John

14 as in other places in fact John 13,14,15,16 are loaded with instruction in many areas of whats coming and

the Love we are to walk in toward each other first then others. Romans 5:1 we have peace with God its not maybe

or I gotta work on this its believing it and walking in it. In all the church epistles in one of the opening scripture

there are three attributes of the spirit given Gods Grace mercy and PEACE. Ephesians 2:14 He is out peace, it is

a fruit of the spirit in the renewed mind walk, love Joy peace. Also Col.3:15 let or don't fight it the peace of God

in you via the spirit rule or have dominion in your heart and always be thankful because we deserve non of what

we've been given freely by a Loving Father.

Hi Rick Mentzer; I hope you have understood the priesthood of Levi, for the entire Old testament has been destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ, on Calvary, as he nailed it to his cross, he had slain that law of Moses and broke down that middle wall of partition that kept the Jews and Gentiles at war with each other. Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15

If you have fully comprehended this then you too would not be involved in tithing, or unclean animals, or circumcision for salvation, and the like. Also I would recommend reading time and again the Apostle Paul's master piece on the Ten Commandments in stone, known as the old covenant, and also Hagar. for Christians today must be under the Ten Commandments in the heart, known as the new covenant, and also Sarah. Galatians 4:21-31 I have written about this here in this book of Galatians, for your reading, and to further advance the knowledge of liberty given unto Christians who need to be make from the obeying any Old Testament laws, or the Ten Commandments in stone.

Jim In the context I believe concerning sin and its consequences think about this, if adam and eve would not have sinned

would they have died or gotten old and decayed no. Because no effects from the serpent I.E. satan. That being said all

sickness disease illness due to sin in the blood and the life in the flesh is in the blood leviticus 17:11. We are born

Ephesians 2:1 dead in trespasses and sin due to Adam and Eve's transgression or sin. So were all including believers

in the old testament dealing with the challenge of walking true to Gods Word. When David and your right committing

adultery and murder are actions worthy of death in the old testament but God loving David sends a prophet to Him

nathan and Nathan Lovingly shows David His grievous error I mean David was out there spiritually His Self Pride got to

Him and we all pay for sin because the justice of God demands justice so he lifted his hand of protection and the enemy

was allowed to steal and kill. Now David via experience knew Gods Love definitely His grace and mercy because David

had Gods spirit upon him, put sackcloth and ashes on and basically begged to not loose the child. This is not saying

that all children die because a parent committed a sin personally. Every situation is different and there are things that

are occurring now that are a result of the sins of the world which we all battle. You can read when the children got into

serious forms of idolatry that when God walked way the destroyer came wiped out crops land taken over by the pagan

tribes that constantly God gave the warning to not do and the consequences. In Deuteronomy 31:16 the lord told Moses

your gonna die and after that the people are going to go whoring after other gods in strange lands and break my covenant. verse 17 and 18 he will hide His face it doesn't say he is going to do the evils! Everything works when God is in it when he's not. It's open season.

S. Spencer The more we take notice of Gods perfection in everything he does the more we can be in awe for what

was done in us through Jesus Christ. We are indeed Ephesians 2:10!

Precious friend asked:

Can someone get salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ in any of the four ways:

1. Praying prayer of salvation? Yes, Biblical Luke 18:13-14, if one "believes The Gospel Of GRACE (CHRIST Died for sin, was buried, And Rose Again, According To The Scriptures)" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, By God's GRACE Through faith Ephesians 2:8-9, (belief) "with the heart" Romans 10:9

IF "NO belief," then, No, praying a prayer is useless.

2. Taking Holy Communion? No, 'tradition' for salvation is UNbelief. The LORD's Supper is simply a "Commemoration" for believers Only, to 'figuratively' "show The LORD's Death Til HE Comes!" 1 Corinthians 11:26

3. Receiving the word of God when preached? No, receiving The Word, but NOT believing It, is not salvation, But, receiving God's Word Of Truth With Glad BELIEF would be Eternal Life!

4. Getting Healed? No. Not salvation, see above.

Precious friend, Thanks for asking Important Bible questions.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Michael I may be oversimplifying this but the first broken fellowship or disobedience or sin was don't

eat from the one specific tree and they ate. All sin is broken fellowship with God and every person born

in that state of being Ephesians 2:1+5 and the only way out and up is Romans 10:9+10 confessed with

mouth and believed in the heart not with lip service so to speak.

Hi GIGI.

I've been enjoying family and took time away from my email. But in response to your question.

I wasn't agreeing to the posting, I agreed that there should be no partiality when the world judges. That is why I consciously said ' I believe everything he said on (THAT THREAD).

I also said-

My quote: But that is the world that we are called out of!!

It's he that is behind the scenes and our wicked flesh where the problem lies.

Ephesians 6:12.

We are to be a light and a workman to lead people out of darkness.

2 Corinthians 4:6.

I've seen this darkness up close and experienced it in several Churches.

Do you expect the world to act any other way? There has to be a new birth and baptism of the Holyspirit,

A new nature given, A New heart of flesh,

THERE HAS TO BE THE DEATH OF THE OLD MAN WHO'S MARRIED TO THE WORLD.

IF WE TRUST IN CHRIST WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH, THAT'S THE OLD MAN. ONE WHO FAILED TO COME TO THE LORD PRESENTING THE WORKS OF THE FLESH. TWICE DEAD,

But as for us.

Ephesians 2:1-6.

End quote.

My point was we're no better than them apart from the Holyspirit.

Here's why I took issue with your post.

Here is a direct copy of a portion of your post that bothers me.

Now quoting:

It is truly sad that racism is so injected into these situations. It has always been wrong to racially mistreat people and it still is. However, I fear that those who are presently dominating the racism today feel justified since

"they are turning the racism back on white people and the police,"

End quote.

Who's the "THEY" you are referring to? You sound a little partial and bias when it comes to certain groups!

The thing is Some of the "THEY" you are referring to is Christian too. And been on this site every day and far longer than you. I am sure we prayed for a many of them.

If they ask for prayer, they see it as much more than just a site we vent on. They see God's people gathered!

That's why I said we should be careful in what we entertain.

God bless.

Hi Adam.

I agree with everything you have said on this thread, Racism has always been around and always will be.

So has every other evil until the prince of peace comes. But that is the world that we are called out of!!

It's he that is behind the scene and our wicked flesh where the problem lies.

( Ephesians 6:12.)

We are to be a light and a workman to lead people out of darkness.

( 2 Corinthians 4:6.)

I've seen this darkness up close and experienced it in several Churches.

Do you expect the world to act any other way? There has to be a new birth and baptism of the Holyspirit,

A new nature given,

A New heart of flesh,

THERE HAS TO BE THE DEATH OF THE OLD MAN WHO'S MARRIED TO THE WORLD.

IF WE TRUST IN CHRIST WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH, THAT'S THE OLD MAN. ONE WHO FAILED TO COME TO THE LORD PRESENTING THE WORKS OF THE FLESH. TWICE DEAD,

But as for us.

Ephesians 2:1-6. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

God bless.

Comment Part 9 continued

Acts 1:15 KJV

[15] And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Acts 2:1-4 KJV

[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

One hundred twenty disciples were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. This is the first Church of Jesus Christ, who is the head of the Church, is Lord of all. This is not called Trinity Church as you think that Trinity is made of the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: as you claim to say what Jesus said according to the scriptures of Matthew 28:19 KJV [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: That is the misunderstanding of the scriptures as those who believe in the Trinity's doctrine that is FALSE.

According to the scriptures of Acts 2:42 KJV [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. What Jesus taught the twelve apostles to follow His doctrine is the ministry of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures of Ephesians 2:19-22 KJV [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; (Read next comment in Part 10)

Alex. Your two comments are long & would require a lot of unnecessary space to deal with each point. But to take up one of those points: "4 Times in johns Gospel he Jesus said he wd raise them up the last day . How cd he do that unless it was by his spirit that is poured out on everybody THE LAST DAY WHICH IS THE DAY WE ARE IN NOW."

This belief of yours, I would say, is typical of how you interpret Scripture. In John's Gospel, this phrase appears in John 6:39,40,44,54 (I believe these are the verses you refer to). You've obviously read them but since you want to believe that all will be raised to live forever with the Lord (in that coming day), that these verses apply to everyone. But did you not read also: "all which he hath GIVEN ME I should lose nothing"; "that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH ON HIM"; "the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM"; "WHOSO EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKETH MY BLOOD". What is the thought in those portions? Are you unable to see the common thread running through the verses, that Jesus was speaking about those who are found IN CHRIST (those GIVEN, those who BELIEVE, those being DRAWN by God, those who partake in the merits of Christ's Sacrifice). None of these Truths can ever be applied to the sinful, unbelieving, ungodly of this world nor of the world to come.

As far as I can recall, you never speak of having faith when coming to Christ & to be justified by God ( Ephesians 2:8: God's grace plus our faith = salvation). I wonder why that is. Maybe, it would negate your belief that all people will eventually be saved, because faith in Christ's redemptive work can only apply now, or else it's no longer 'faith'. Also, you don't write about Satan & his evil spirits also getting redeemed & enjoying holiness of life - after all you will quote verses such as Revelation 5:13 which should support your belief. Alex, please read & understand the Scriptures as given ("rightly dividing the Word"), & not try to re-write the Holy Bible.

Brother Dan:

Do you believe God will send sinners to hell:

Is GRACE not what abounds to all men, man says you have to believe, Grace says at each man's appointed time; GRACE will CAUSE you to believe. You don't Chose me, I CHOSE YOU.

Philippians 1:29 For it is GIVEN TO YOU on the behalf of Christ, TO BELIEVE ON HIM....

Brother Dan, you were GRACED, being able to BELIEVE, you are chosen to be a vessel of honour, but God chooses to make some men to be vessels of dishonour.

Does GRACE not also apply to them, and when God GRACES them with BELIEF they will RESPOND.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE.

Romans 11:6 An if by grace, then it is no more of works, otherwise it is no more grace.....

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also NOT NOW BELIEVED, that through YOUR MERCY they may obtain MERCY.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Ephesians 2:7 That in THE AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches OF HIS GRACE in his kindness toward us through Jesus Christ.

God Bless You.