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Ronnette I absolutely agree with your reading of scripture, Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel as stated in the gospels and the church epistles. The apostle paul was specifically called out to the gentiles because the judeans were still

working in the law although they were operating GODS GIFT OF GRACE. The APOSTLE PAUL WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE BODY IN CHRIST Ephesians 3:1-9 also Colossians 1;25-29. Thats why Romans through thessalonians

is the complete knowledge of the operation of the church in the grace administration or age.

As a believer in the eternal security of the believer I wouldnt think the Apostle Paul believed he could/would be eternally lost, considering his letter to the Ephesians 3:11-14.

Hello Giannis:

I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17

For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

Ephesians 3:2

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Colossians 1:25

Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Ephesians 1:10

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.

How many times is the word family mentioned in the old testament? Not families just family. I know it's only mentioned one time in the New Testament in Ephesians 3:15.

Thank you in advance.

Hello Fabian TAIMABRI,

Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,

Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,

Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,

Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"

see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,

GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,

It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,

Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,

In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,

1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,

Hopefully these are all helpful

Dear Giannis I am not going to address all your thoughts on this topic. The first one we can agree on is that we all say the scripture is true. We think we are differing in interpretation. The interpretation you are struggling with is the interpretation of people's lives. Why is man (that is supposedly sinning every day) capable of determining who is sinless and who is perfect). If you were living with Jesus would you have said he was sinless and perfect. Matthew 21:12 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves," Would you have said He was "pissed off" , angry, lack of restraint, not patient or intolerant? I haven't see that many people that angry. Could you have rightly interpreted his actions to say he was sinless and perfect? He told his disciples "how is it that ye have No faith" and "how long shall I suffer you" (put up with you). If you were there or you here a person today say something like it. How do you measure that person. Steffen told the leaders (which we are to obey) "You do always resist the Holy Ghost". That sounds very proud and judgmental against authority. I wonder how many of us living today would have followed Jesus and if we saw him would we say he was a "perfect, sinless man". The only reason we do is because the Bible says he was. I differ from your view point about capability. Some scriptures Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 2 Cor. 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Because Paul literally was a prisoner. Ephesians 3,

Philemon 1:9,10,22,23, Philippians 1:7,12,13,14,15, here Paul encourages others while in "bonds" , even saying it gives others boldness & confidence to speak the gospel without fear, resulting from Paul's example. Note: Philippians 1:18,20,21,28,29,30, 2Timothy 2:1,2,3,9,10,11,12,

Ephesians 6:10-24, Colossians 4:18,

Acts 20:22-25, Acts 20:37-38,

Please read the following chapters: Acts 24, Paul is accused of sedition Acts 24:5, Acts 26, Acts 27, Acts 28,

Why does Paul call himself a prisoner .

Ephesians 3:12 and 20-21 kjv.

Hebrews 7:25 kjv, Hebrews 4:15-16, Hebrews 13:8,

Colossians 4:2, Ephesians 3:20-21, Romans 8:26-28,

Psalm 57 kjv.

Doug, that's a great scripture, Ephesians 3:19 ......that ye might be filled with the FULLNESS OF GOD (the DIVINE NATURE).

Christ was the first to be filled with the FULLNESS OF GOD (the divine nature).

Through the works of his cross, he (the Holy Ghost) is indwelling mankind and giving them the heritage of the divine nature, becoming son's of God (SPIRIT).

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery, CHRIST (diety) IN YOU ......

GBU

A thought provoking part of a long sentence. I noticed for the first time that there a commas in it. Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, the ye might be filled with the fulness of God.

Ephesians 3:9 and John 8:58 are two good places to start. These show Christ's part in the Creation along with the Father; and His "I AM" status as God existing before Abraham. If we refer to Him as the "Son of God" then the capital letter "S" indicates acknowledgement of Deity. We also see that the Holy Spirit; which is God and Christ dwelling with us ( John 14:23) is promised to remind us of sin; righteousness and judgment to come ( John 16:8).

There are other verses throughout scripture; starting with the "Elohim" in Genesis where man is said to be made in "our image" ( Genesis 1:26); other verses in Psalms about the presence of the Spirit or Christ ( Proverbs 8) since the beginning further prove this point. 1 Peter 1:2 shows all 3 parts of the Godhead; and that is repeated many other places. Perhaps the greatest proof to many is Isaiah 53 which mentions clearly that "God is with us". It is prophetic of Christ being "King of Kings" along with His sufferings and deity. It is only by divine revelation that Christ is known as being Lord and worshipped as Christ stated to Peter in Matthew 16:17. It is only by the Holy Spirit that Christ can be acknowledged (or fully understood) as coming in the flesh and any other spirit that says he didn't is not from God ( 1 John 4:2).

Truly; the righteousness of God coming in the form of a man was the only thing that could forgive us since the fall. He had to be as the second Adam ( 1 Cor. 15:45). The completion of this is the Rapture and or resurrection where we shall be in a glorified body! What is most sobering is that although He is the first of the Firstfruits risen from the dead; He alone will bear the scars as Psalm 22:16 states that they have "pierced His hands and feet." The hatred of the Pharisees was that He claimed to be God forgiving men's sins ( Luke 5:21). Hopefully this is a good start in your search for an answer to your question.

Dear "Barbara Kuks", in peace we get to read the rest of the chapter and understand that this unfortunately no longer exists in our world. Horses and carriages, (forces and cars)? Have you read the whole chapter? Today there are many big cities. Are there really harpists, musicians, flute players and trumpet players, And the sound of millstones in NY? Would it be possible to hear these instruments through the noise of the city? And what kind of sorcery is there in the city? Which is not also found everywhere on earth today. This is not an end-time story for one city. Wake up now! The words speak to us all, repentance is necessary.

In verse 8 we can imagine the unrest coming. For here is the Lord God judging her. The unrest we can think about is atomic bombs. But then the whole earth will go, not just one city.

I pray for all of us that we will have revelation and the spirit of truth in our hearts. John 8:31-36 So that we can know the depth and height, the length and breadth of the whole Word of God. Ephesians 3:8 Which to me is alive and sharp, a somewhat double-edged sword. Hebrew 4:12-13

Be blessed dear ones, repent and be baptized in the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your house will be saved. Acts 16:31

Hi dear "MoniqueJ", first of all: All the gifts of God are good. In Forgiveness, in the Lord's prayer, for example, we ask and leave our debtors. It is healing. And in the Light that has cast out all darkness, there is healing in it. Jesus Is the Light of the World. Imagine when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost: Acts 2:4, Ephesians 3:14-21 Then they all got a huge extra power. They all understood that. Jesus had said to them: Luke 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. It is not so of the human heart, but of the Holy Spirit who moved in by faith in Jesus.

Believe for your own sake, John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Imagine the grace we have experienced and begin to know the Lord here on Earth! It constantly overwhelms me

Hi dear "Manyele wilson", in this letter it is possible that it was Paul or/and Barnabas who wrote. Paul knows we had great revelations. And he struggled always a lot with the Jews because they wanted to hold on to their legal deeds in which they were brought up. So it seems like that's what's coming out here.

The only worthy Sacrificial Lamb is and remains Jesus Christ forever and ever.

There will never be anything else that was worthy of God the Father Himself.

He loves us. With Eternal Love.

We have so much to be thankful for!

Ephesians 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Stay blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ, love u all.

Originally I wrote a post saying that trying to show that "shall be made alive" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 is more than just physical resurrection may be trying to prove too much. But I was wrong.

The word translated "shall be made alive" zoopoiethesontai is derived from a word that is used in the New Testament for being resurrected or quickened to eternal life. Here are the other passages that use derivatives of this word:

John 5:21

John 6:63

Romans 4:17

Romans 8:11

1 Corinthians 15:36

1 Corinthians 15:45

2 Corinthians 3:6

Galatians 3:21

1 Peter 3:18

This word cannot mean life common to all men living and moving and having their being in Christ, nor can it mean simply resurrection to either eternal life or the second death. Under this meaning I am persuaded that the word "all" in 1 Corinthians cannot be an unlimited universal "all" and in both instances where it is used in this passage it is limited by the words "in Adam" and "in Christ". "In Christ" appears to be used in this passage by Paul in a similar way to the way he uses that phrase and the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians.

Ephesians 1:2-4,7,10,13,20

Ephesians 2:6-7,10,13,20-22

Ephesians 3:6,11-12

Ephesians 4:32

This also suggests that "all men" in Romans 5:18 is limited by the "one man" being referenced, either Adam or Christ.

The connection that Adam and Christ share in common with the "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:8 has several different interpretations that have been offered. Personally I believe there is a federal headship connection. "Things done by one may be imputed unto others, propter relationem foederalem, because of a covenant relation between them." Hodge

I also believe Adam and Christ are uniquely qualified and appointed by God to be the first fruits of their respective seed. No other human beings can be presented before God in the way they can.

Isaiah 46:10,

Genesis 1, Hebrews 1:10,

Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13, John 1:1-5, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:18, Luke 24:27, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 1:8,

Psalms 80:15-17, symbolic? Genesis 2, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, John 15,

Isaiah 53, Luke 23, Psalms 22, Mark 15:34, Mark 15, in context

Hebrews 9:24-28,

The last, 1Corinthians 15:45, Romans 5:12-21, John 19:30,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

God's ways are higher than man's ways. - Isaiah 55:9

There are God's days. - 2 Peter 3:8

There are Creations days. - Genesis 1:5

God who created all things by JESUS CHRIST ( Ephesians 3:9)

Gave all his creation the same time in days which are, "The Evening and the Morning" light and darkness.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:5 (KJV)

The evening and the morning are all creation's days. (From Heaven and Earth to Angels and Men).

God's day is as a Thousand years.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Pet 3:8 (KJV)

When God told Adam, The day you eat thereof you shall surely die. - Genesis 2:17

The day God told Adam was in God's day.

How do we know?

Because Adam lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old and he died.

That's not a Thousand years.

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Gen 5:5 (KJV)

The Lord JESUS bless you.

Hi dear. As concise as possible. To get the whole picture, you can read the Hebrews, in new testament.

Because the whole Word must be fulfilled, Jesus came for us all died on the cross, when He did that He fulfilled the law.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Hebrew 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

When God Speak He who created the whole world and everything around us.

Genesis 2:3

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of

He created from what He sees from His thought's. He diddent only created thats who is like nice cats and dogs, but everything that we sees He created. And not only that we can see. We have a creation beyond that, more heavens and evan more earth becouse we have a underworld as well.

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

When God speak who is Holy it has too be fulfilled. 1 Timothy 1:17

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.

Ephesians 3:10 God bless u in Jesus Name.

Amen.

Here are scripture links about Jesus CHRIST ministry, the Bible however indicates HIS open ministry longer than a year on earth.

Luke 3:23, people take that scripture & add holidays & other events to draw a timeline.

It doesn't actually say that Jesus CHRIST ministry is/was limited to just those years of HIS open ministry because it's everlasting. Luke 1, John 1:1-5, Luke 2:42-50, John 8:58, 1Corinthians 15:47-58, Ephesians 3:9-11, Titus 3:7, John 3:15, Hebrews 5:9, Jude 1:21, Romans 6:23, Romans 5:21, John 17:3, 2Timothy 2:10, 2Corinthians 5:1, 1John 5:11, John 10:28, 1John 5:20,

Hopefully these are helpful

This is a real handy tool. I thank God for this.

It's interesting that you're noticing the differences, I'm guessing you've read Genesis before & studying or reading again or just very observant.

John 1:1-5, Revelation 4:10-11, Colossians 1:12-23, Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 10:1-7,

Note: Isaiah 42:1-12, Isaiah 42:23, compare: the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke & John,

There is a difference I believe because it seems to point out that man Adam being put into the Garden, symbolic of the Church. To tend it, where GOD seems to already have given the Genesis 1:27-28 'created female & males, direction to multiply & subdue take dominion over the earth & creatures land & sea. Genesis 2:7-8, Genesis 5:1-3, interestingly it is the lineage of Seth the Jesus comes through : Luke 3:23-38

1Corinthians 15:45, 1Corinthians 15:42-47, Genesis 2:15, Genesis 2:18-24,

Lauren To see great deliverance the need now is to focus on the positives of who we are and what we have Romans

8:28-39, 2 Timothy 1:7, Ephesians 3:16-21, Phil. 4:6-9, 2 Corinthians 5:17-21, last 1 John 3:1+2 just some things

that are good to think about daily.

Precious Love Of Jesus, you are Very Welcome. Please Be Very 'Enriched' Growing In HIS Wonderful And Amazing GRACE!

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE, today?)

Precious friend, Since JESUS Is our 'Reality' Of REST, we can now do that 24/7. Thus no need to get 'entangled in the legalism' of "keeping (the 'shadow' of) the sabbath." As Paul Clearly Teaches us, from God:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

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We Now "fulfill All the law, In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself" Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Precious friend asked:

Can someone get salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ in any of the four ways:

1. Praying prayer of salvation? Yes, Biblical Luke 18:13-14, if one "believes The Gospel Of GRACE (CHRIST Died for sin, was buried, And Rose Again, According To The Scriptures)" 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, By God's GRACE Through faith Ephesians 2:8-9, (belief) "with the heart" Romans 10:9

IF "NO belief," then, No, praying a prayer is useless.

2. Taking Holy Communion? No, 'tradition' for salvation is UNbelief. The LORD's Supper is simply a "Commemoration" for believers Only, to 'figuratively' "show The LORD's Death Til HE Comes!" 1 Corinthians 11:26

3. Receiving the word of God when preached? No, receiving The Word, but NOT believing It, is not salvation, But, receiving God's Word Of Truth With Glad BELIEF would be Eternal Life!

4. Getting Healed? No. Not salvation, see above.

Precious friend, Thanks for asking Important Bible questions.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Precious TSR says about "angels":

"We can only ask for angelic assistance when we need it. When going through intense spiritual warfare at home or even work: you can ask for protection."?

1) I cannot find Scripture for "asking for angelic assistance" - please advise, and:

2) What happened to Ephesians 6:10-15 and Ephesians 6:15-20 for "spiritual warfare"?

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE, today?)

God's Simple Will: Link

David R. Longerbeam In the context of this great Epistle of Ephesians is written to the faithful in Christ Jesus

who endeavor to walk by the spirit as much as is in them to do and walk in the great Agapeo or renewed mind

love of God. God can only give spiritual wisdom and revealed knowledge of His Son as we walk in that love of

God in Christ because it is literally revealed knowledge given by God through Christ who lives in us. As we put

the scriptures on in the mind and walk in that faith of Christ he shows us more and more spiritually as needed.

look at Ephesians 3:16-21 and have some inspirational fun. Look at the amount of Times IN Christ is used in

This epistle that's how God views us spiritually. Ephesians 1:3 we have already been blessed with all spiritual

blessings in heavenlies, that gets the spiritual blood pumping. As believers in His Eyes were spiritually perfect!

Precious Lystra, 1) "the deceased are already with Jesus"? According to 2 Corinthians 5:6,8 and Philippians 1:21,23 = God's 'Answer Is YES!' Else Then this verse is 'false', Correct?

1 Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in JESUS Will God Bring With Him."

IF "dying is not gain," and to "to depart 'to Be With CHRIST' is not Far Better," then, of course, the Above verse would NOT be true, Correct?

2) "'theory' of God's rapture, According to His 'Secret'"?:

Praying Hopefully that this 4-Part Bible study will help Encourage you with your Very Important Question about God's 'Sound' Doctrine, Great GRACE Departure: Link

Precious Lystra, Please Be Very 'Richly' Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! 2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link