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Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... ( Ephesians 5:27)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2)

Thus, we do "Know the order, and realize our place according to the grand scheme." = Today is GOD's PURE {Gospel Of} GRACE {Light} 'Offered' to all 'INDIVIDUALS,' and WHEN 'it ENDS' With HIS Great GRACE Departure {'Removing' ALL HIS 'ambassadors'}, only THEN Will Fall:

God's {OPPOSITE of GRACE} JUDGMENT In The Time of JACOB's TROUBLE {Tribulation, GREAT tribulation And Wrath in Woe, Dread, Terror, And DARKNESS}, for "ISRAEL And The UNbelieving Nations!"

Thus, question: Precious friend, WHY do you "DESIRE what is NOT our place according to the grand scheme"? ( Amos 5:18)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope ofGlorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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our "place In The Grand Scheme"?:

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9) = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

Part II (Previous) Gospel of the kingdom

Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Gospel Of The GRACE Of God =

Gospel of the Uncircumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Galatians 6:15; Romans 4:9-11)

Preached first by Paul, then his companions ( Acts 13:38-39; Acts 20:24; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:24)

The Mystery Program for The Gentiles ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Colossians 1:25-27; Romans 16:25)

The preaching of The Cross as Good News ( 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4)

Gospel to be believed = Christ's Work ( Romans 5:6 Romans 5:8 Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

Salvation By GRACE Through faith plus nothing ( Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5; Titus 3:5)

Justification by faith without works emphasized ( Romans 3:28; Romans 4:5,16; Galatians 2:16)

Repentance as a synonym for faith ( Acts 17:30; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4)

Involves reconciliation to God and man ( Romans 5:10-11; Romans 11:15; 2 Corinthians 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:21)

Covers Paul's letters Romans - Philemon (Also Acts 9-28)

Not under the law ( Romans 5:20-21; Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:6)

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IMKane, hope this was helpful answering your Great questions.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!

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Brother ChrisE. Yes, I do enjoy a good discussion/debate as I'm always interested to learn of other's viewpoints & why they have developed & settled on a particular belief. Even with this matter on Baptism, I know that my grandfather forbad his wife & four sons to be baptized in water & in fact, also rejected observing the Lord's Supper, as both being not applicable after the establishment of the Church & the end of the apostolic age. You may not see it in the same way, but I was too young ( 4 yrs old) to be able to question him about it, as he passed away soon after.

So, I don't consider you as one "confused or an heretic", but one having arrived at these conclusions based on things that I don't see in Scripture; e.g. the requirement of the initial Jewish baptisms being first "brought into the Israeli priesthood". I won't deal with "Paul not being sent to baptize" matter, as he stated that he DID baptize others (even some that he couldn't recall), but I believe that baptism wasn't the thrust of his ministry, probably leaving it to others after delivering the Gospel & ensuring that the convert was ushered into Church follow-up.

As far as the "Revelation of the Mystery", as Ephesians 3:2-7 declares, that the mystery was "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" (v6), that which was unknown in ages past.

Precious brother Chris, I appreciate your Great discussion with me. I have posted for several years, and you are The Very First to consider/discuss these things. The rest have just written me off as confused or a heretic (denying Acts 2:38). So, in my understanding of (NOT denying) it:

I believe Paul "did baptize some" during God's Transition from Law (with water) to HIS PURE GRACE (Without water!). Most think that the great commission to the Twelve apostles of Israel, is 'exactly the same' as the commission to Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles. This does not make sense since CHRIST told the Twelve THEY "WERE SENT"

to baptize, while CHRIST told Paul he "WAS NOT SENT to baptize." {the same thing?}

I cannot reconcile that for today, because God Gave Paul A 'Different' Program, The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, With The Gospel Of GRACE, And the "commission of Reconciliation" Because of CHRIST's Finished Work on The Cross!

( Romans 16:25) ( Colossians 1:20) ( 2 Corinthians 5:17-21) + ( 2 Corinthians 6:2)

Thus, I believe This "Hid In God" Revelation ( Ephesians 3:9) Must Be:

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Many 'assume' The Gospel Of GRACE was Immediately preached after the cross, but

closer Prayerful/Careful examination reveals:

1) LAW was preached, obeyed, and taught to "thousand of Jewish believers"

( Matthew 28:19-20) Notice: Christ Specifically Said "teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL things I HAVE COMMANDED you" - one of them was Matthew 23:1-3, Correct?

2) Water baptized Jewish believers OBEYED ALL CHRIST's Commands, SOLD EVERYTHING, And were "zealous of The LAW," even as late as Acts 21:20!

3) IF the great commission IS FOR US today, then I see NO ONE "obeying it as these were!"

Thus, Chris, I just cannot reconcile LAW "being Exactly THE SAME as" GRACE ( Romans 11:6)

More 'available' on church birthday, and The ONE Baptism {a 'verse for annulment of water'?} "study" of today, IF you wish... Thanks Again, and Be Well, Precious brother!

Jesse The Church of God in the Church epistles is the body of Christ which started day of pentecost in Ephesians 3:4-6 verse 6 That the Gentiles should be Fellow heirs of the same body. In the 4 Gospels all the context of when the bridegroom is mentioned the context is the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

In the Gospel of John 3:26-30 in that context Jesus Christ is called by John the Baptist the bride groom Israel that rejected him was the bride. That's my understanding.

Geoffrey This is in regard to the receiving of the gift if holy spirit of Christ in you we have been sealed by God I.E. bought, redeemed, purchased, verse 14 which is the earnest the pledge or the certainty until the redemption, the word redemption is a loosing away in other words when we are taken up at Christ return for the Church which his is body, Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body, that body is the body of Christ. It is the mystery that was Hid in God from the foundation of the world. Good Stuff God Bless

Concerning "the birthday" of the church? "the beginning of the church {GR. ekklesia = assembly} of God in operation started day of Pentecost."? There is another Bible view of this, eliminating a lot of confusion:

(1) The Pentecostal assembly was God's Continuation of prophecy and law for Israel, the assembly Jesus showed HIS Twelve apostles, "on the EARTH," in ( Matthew 16:18)

a) This assembly is "associated" with water baptism AND Baptism By Christ, Pouring Out "WITH" HIS Holy Spirit, for "powers, signs, and wonders," and healing everyone, Correct?

However, with Right Division ( 2 Timothy 2:15), we have, for God's GRACE And MYSTERY:

(2) The GRACE church of today is a "New Creation" showed To Paul, HIS ONE apostle:

"If any man [be] In CHRIST, [he is] a New Creature..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:17)

A) This "New Creation" is actually The Body Of CHRIST, which was UNknown in Matthew, being "Hidden In God" ( Ephesians 3:9), until Paul:

B) God Saved, By GRACE and MERCY, Paul as our "Pattern = in me FIRST..." ( 1 Timothy 1:16)

C) Since Paul was The FIRST man IN The Body of CHRIST, It is Called "the ONE New man"

( Ephesians 2:15)

D) This assembly, showed To Paul, from CHRIST, "IN HEAVEN," has "Associations" with:

(1) The ONE Baptism, "BY" The Holy Spirit, Identifying/Unifying new "members" with The Body Of CHRIST, "Seated In the Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20)

( Ephesians 2:6) ( Ephesians 3:10)

(2) God's Amazing GRACE for our "infirmities, suffering, trouble, and tribulations" ( Romans 5:1-5) ( Romans 8:18) ( Romans 8:26-29) ( 1 Corinthians 10:13) ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4) ( 2 Corinthians 4:17) ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) ( Philippians 3:21)

Thus, "solving the confusion IF signs, wonders, and miracles, FOR US, today"?! Amen?

An Informative/Edifying Biblical article is "The Birthday of the Church" by Ricky Kurth. Enjoy!

Brother Chris In regards to the beginning of the church of God in operation started day of Pentecost the full understanding of what was given was revealed to the apostle Paul by Jesus Christ in Galatians 1:11+12 thats who gave Paul the understanding of what was given on pentecost. In Ephesians 3:1-7 look at verse 9 which hath been hid in God, look at 1 Peter 1:10-12 the knowledge of The Church of God was Given to the Apostle Paul to teach, that' s my understanding when you search the church epistles. Input from anyone gladly welcome

Proscovia Romans 8:28-39 is a good start. Ephesians 1 whole chapter. 2 Peter 1: 1-8. Ephesians 3:16-21. God Bless give em heaven.

Trudy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

He who is born of the flesh is flesh, he who is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT.

Does SPIRIT need clothes, streets to walk on, houses with rooms to live in, windows to look out of, doors to go through, sun to give light, food to eat, water to drink.

Behold all things have become NEW.

You want exist as you do NOW.

You become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST (fullness of Deity), who only hath immortality (life with no end).

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.

Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be FILLED WITH ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

Which is his body, the FULLNESS of him that filleth all in all.

Colossians 1:29 For in him dwelleth all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU....

John 3:13 No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).

Luke 17:21 .....THE kingdom of GOD is WITHIN YOU.

Revelation 21:1 You are the NEW HEAVEN

Latrece,

There is only one place you can go for understanding of God's word, ant that is to the Lord through His Spirit. There are books, commentaries, YouTube teachers, pastors, etc, and even we here on this website can share our understanding with you, but it means nothing unless God's Spirit reveals to you that what is being shared is truth. The only thing I can tell you is to study the scripture and ask the Lord through His Spirit to teach you and help you to understand.

Again, we can share our understanding with you, but unless the Lord reveals the same understanding to you, it means nothing!

is there somewhere I can look for understanding of the scripture

I think the Book of Proverbs gave me the most help guiding my son.

When he was practicing his handwriting skills, I asked him to copy short chapters in Proverbs, onto a sheet of paper.

My motivation was for him to learn the dangers of "running with the pack." Which he did. He learned to be a leader and think independently: To know when to withdraw himself from activities that would get him into trouble.

My praise is unto God. He watches over His Word. It accomplishes that which it was sent to do.

It was a 45 minute bit of time, for me to drive home from work, when he did this. It was random; didn't happen every day. They shouldn't feel they are being punished.

His reward was a Saturday at the water park, up the street. I learned to do house chores, other times, so this one day could be very special.

Kids grow up and we are alone again. To see them excel in life, and be involved in their kids "free times" is a huge thank you to God for His leadership.

Being left alone too much, teaches insecurity with self-imposed fences.

The Lord bless you with resolve and ideas to grow love that blooms.

Biblical guidelines for parenting

It was around year 95AD. The angel of the Lord said to John: Revelation 1:v.20 -

20 - The MYSTERY of the seven STARS which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden CANDLESTICKS. The seven STARS are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are the seven CHURCHES.

Now we are in the time of Apocalypse, i.e. in the end of the times.

Question: In the verse above - Revelation 1:v.20- the 7 CHURCHES are 7 candlesticks; and the TWO CANDLESTICKS of the current time as is written in Revelation 11:v.4?

Ephesians 3:v.8-10

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God,

Colossians 1:v.24 says:

Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for His body's sake, which is the CHURCH:

That said, which are the two CHURCHES -two CANDLESTICKS- of this current time of Apocalypse?

Rohingya, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

Of ourselves we have NO FAITH or works; when Christ CALLS he gives us HIS FAITH to answer.

Philippians 3:9 .....but that which is through THE FAITH OF CHRIST, the righteousness which is of GOD be FAITH (of CHRIST).

Galatians 2:16 .....but by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST .....

Ephesians 3:12 In whom (IN CHRIST) we have boldness and access in CONFIDENCE by the FAITH OF HIM.

James 2:17 Even so FAITH (Christ in you), if it (Faith) (Christ in you) hath not works, is dead, being alone.

The Christ calls, give faith to believe, causes you to respond, purifies you, makes you whole, causes you to walk in his statutes. ( Ezekiel 36:25-27)

Faith without works is dead; BUT, it's HIS faith and HIS works. You bear THE GIFT, the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.

Colossians 1:27....of this MYSTERY, CHRIST IN YOU....

John 6:29 ....This is the WORK OF GOD, that you BELIEVE on him who he hath sent.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN on behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ....

God bless

Very encouraging

I think the purpose of the Church is to know the brethren well enough to wash each others feet and greet with a holy kiss on occasion and a place to marry in the faith and raise children to one day, where they may hopefully choose to live by the faith seen in their parent's lives. A place of reproof and correction. A refuge and a hope. A place of fellowship sweet. A place where peace is witnessed by living testimonies of one another. A place as you mentioned to worship the living God and praise His name by song and scripture and prayer. A place of order and rest and peace. The list could go on. So I think a sincere sojourner with a refreshed spirit by the Living Christ would seek this Church, the bride of Christ ahead of His return.

Osagie Victor,

The answer I would give you is that the universal church is not an organization or a specific denomination, The universal church is made up of all believers who have been born of God's Spirit. The purpose of the church is to worship God and serve Him.

Hello please i want to known the mean of a

the means of a universal church, and the purpose of the church

Ephesians 3:14 is the one you're thinking of.

Ephesians 3:14-21

Hi Connie You will find that in Ephesians 3: 14 Have a good day Ron

3:18 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

So clearly written that I don't understand why some people bow down to the cross and worship Jesus?

I worship God my Heavenly Father and have been judged by man as delusional and blasphemous to declare that i am not a Christian or following Christian traditions. But I find myself seeking truth and this is what I find

For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Neither. I understand that the crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus was for the forgiveness of our past sins & removal of them that were held to our account. Hebrews 10:16,17: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." And, Romans 4:25: "Who (Jesus) was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Our sins placed on Jesus at the Cross have been taken away, no longer imputed to us & we remain justified (i.e. to be declared not guilty, absolved, acquitted) from any further recourse or punishment. When God looks at us, He sees us IN Christ & clothed in His Righteousness (& not our own which could only condemn us).

Salvation, I believe is a once only event that was accomplished at the Cross & received through full faith in that Work. It can't be undone or re-given: we're either saved or not, or else, we show that we despise this great Work & count it of little worth. What you wrote, "that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ", I see that as the ongoing filling Work of the Spirit, as we continue to empty ourselves of that which hinders His Work. And when we do, He reveals to us more of Jesus, endeavouring to make us more like Him in every way. ( Ephesians 3:19, 5:18).

By letting them see the Christ in you

We often think of approaching people based on who they are or how they act and treating them accordingly. What is important to remember is to treat people based on who WE are. We, as Christians, must treat other people with kindness and love always! That doesn't mean we can't be stern when needed. We treat others as we would want to be treated. Sometimes that requires us to give a lot of grace to others. But this is exactly what Jesus does for us!

To respect someone does not mean agreeing with them or their choices but rather to not scorn them or judge them for who they are or the mistakes they make. Show respect through compassion. Many believe they are Christian because they simply believe in Jesus. Others because they follow God's commandments and live for Him. There may be variations in exactly what a Christian is. But what I challenge you to do is to approach these people as the loving and patient Christian that you are. With love, respect and kindness. Never fight fire with fire. Love, conquers all. Never forget to pray for others..

May God guide you and provide His blessings upon you and your family!

Hey Braden,

I know how it is. I feel my family could do better to be true Christians and live holy, repentant-of-sin lives. I ask God how I could witness to unbelievers, similar to you. Praying that your family comes to Christ and that unbelievers would also come to Christ.

It was sad to read of your family situation, Braden; it must be so difficult when it's your parents that need the spiritual help & guidance. Your only guide in this matter is the Word of God. You can look at Jesus' Life, both as a young lad right to His appointed time to lay down His Life for us. Even though his earthly parents sometimes misunderstood Him & God's direction for Him, He still had to do what He had to & be a witness to them of His calling ( Luke 2:42-50). His parents were rightly concerned but they had to accept that Jesus was going to put God first always.

Jesus still honoured His parents in spite of their ignorance of His Calling & that is still God's expectation for you to give due honour & respect to yours in spite of what you see in them. God has given them to be your parents & they have given you all due care & provision from your birth, so ask God to help you see them in a different way than what is confronting you. Look past their weaknesses, hypocrisies, maybe carnal ways & see what they could be like if the Cross came before their sinful hearts & they could be changed. Commit your family in much prayer - that will be the earnest prayer that God hears & I'm sure will be answered in His Time.

Spend time reading the Word of God & in prayer, even when your family is looking on. They will see that you're putting God first in your life & they will see (& maybe convicted) by how you present yourself differently to others, your attitudes, your wisdom to handle situations, your devotion to the One Who has given you new life. Sometimes, that's all we can do - you can share the Word often with them, but ultimately it's your life & attitude to them that they will notice & will speak to them. Remember, it is real, genuine, godly Love that people notice - the type of love that many can't comprehend. Be strong young brother & be Christ's fragrance both at home & in the world.

How do I get along with my parents, they aren't Christians. My mom thinks she's a Christian but she doesn't put god first, and sometimes I find it so hard to find respect for her. I can also see how she is spoiling some of my siblings, and teaching them to be like her really upsets me, especially knowing that my family isn't growing up around the truth of the gospel. I'm getting of track but my main question is (how do I get along with non Christians.