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Hi Mrs Shipman.

Here's another scripture to go with the great scriptures others have shared.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Ephesians 5:17-18.

Our influence in everything we do should come by the Holyspirit.

A drunkard is influenced by the alcohol and this also apply to drug use. I believe Alcohol and drugs exercise the old nature.

It puts you in a carnal state which cannot please God.

Romans 8:6-7.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Matthew 25:31-46, John 12:25, Psalms 139, 1John 4:19, Ephesians 5:29,

Download the app on your smart phone or tablet. Be blessed in His name Jesus. Luke10:1-12

Hello Joe. Both the Proverbs & the NT speak of disassociating ourselves from sinners (e.g. Proverbs 22:24; Ephesians 5:11), and the emphasis in the NT is that we are to love all men even as God does, sending His Son for us all. But Jesus adds a command in Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

The understanding of this verse, is that Jesus is speaking about the most precious things of the Kingdom, things that are not only beyond fallen man's understanding, but also things that will be perceived as garbage. So Jesus speaks of "that which is holy", referring back to sacrificial times of sacred offering before God, or of the sacred implements used in the service of the Temple which couldn't be handled by non-Levites. Likewise, "neither cast ye your pearls before swine"; the very costliest of jewels of Divine Truth were to be treated carefully & given out judiciously.

Dogs are known for their ferocity when angered, while pigs, for their contentment in wallowing in filth. The imagery is given here of wicked people, who ought to be conscious of their sin & seeking healing for their souls (even as John the Baptist was baptizing only those who so indicated), but these others here continued in their wickedness & filth, having no desire of healing Truth, rather expressing fierceness to it, or being content in living out their evil desires. To these people, Jesus says 'avoid them', for they show by their response & behaviour, that Kingdom life is not what they're seeking - their soul's destiny is not their concern - the response you'll get is ridicule & violent acts against you. So, save those holy words/offerings from these, but give the Good News of the Kingdom to those who are keen to give ear & who consider their own needs & of everlasting life.

I want to be updated everyday with bible verses on my phone and how can I get them

Mark 10:12, John 4, Romans 7:2,3, 1Corinthians 7, Ephesians 5:15-33,

I also think of: Judges 16, Hebrews 13:4-6,

Hopefully these are helpful to your understanding.

Hi Mary Beth, I've seen people discussing addiction on here before. This is common struggle many people have, but I think many people are embarassed, or maybe prideful to share that, so that's one possible explanation for not seeing it more. You can do an advanced search for the discussion pages and maybe find some.

Some post for different reasons and aren't necessarily looking for help. Some look only for validation and have no intention on breaking addiction or strongholds. Maybe fewer people want solutions. These verses seem relevent: Galatians 6:1, 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15, Ephesians 5:11. When compassion turns into condoning or supporting someone harming themself I think its wrong to condone self harm and evil. Our bodies are on loan from God and God's holy temple and we are to treat it with respect and dignity. And if I try the Galations 6:1 approach to gently restore someone, but they have no interest in letting go the stronghold, then I think Ephesians 5:11 applies. If we entangle ourselves with evil we can only cause further harm to ourselves and others around us. We can still lovingly pray for someone, but not put ourselves in a situation where we are supporting someone's self-harm and violation of God's commandments. Not sure what info you're looking for exactly or what specific addiction you have in mind, but that's just an opinion. God bless...

Matthew 6:23, Job 10:22, 1John 2:11, Exodus 10:21, Isaiah 8:22, Jeremiah 13:16,

John 1:5 also prophetic of Isaiah 60:2, if crucifixion isn't dark, I don't know what time is. Ephesians 5:11,

Isaiah 5:20, John 12:46,

Isaiah 6:8-10, Mark 4:12, also prophecy, fulfilled

Hopefully these are helpful

James 1:5, proverbs 4:7, Proverbs 3:13-24, Ephesians 5:9, Ephesians 5:22-23,

Hello Debra:

The Bible does not say it is sinful to drink alcohol, but it does say that drunkenness is sinful. See Isaiah 5:11, Proverbs 20:1. Ephesians 5:18 tells us not to be drunk with wine, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:11 and Romans 13:13 and Galatians 5:21 all list drunkenness or drunkard as sinful.

* 1Peter 5:8, Proverbs 20:1, Proverbs 23:29-35, Ephesians 5:18,

1Thessalonians 5:5-10, 1Timothy 3:2,11, Titus 1:8, Titus 2, 1Peter 1:13, 1Peter 4:7, Leviticus 10:9, Leaders, priests, Numbers 6:2-4,

There are a two stories in Genesis that shows negative results.

Deuteronomy 32:33, Proverbs 21:17, Isaiah 5:10-23, Isaiah 28:7,

Proverbs 31:4-7,

Hopefully these are helpful

Ephesians 5:22-30 & 6:1 for children

Some of these Scriptures might help you, Gervis; these are more about the godly relationship & responsibilities one has to each other in the family and what a husband/father should expect when nurturing his family in the fear of God.

Proverbs 15:20; Proverbs 22:6; 1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:22-28,33; Ephesians 6:1-4; Colossians 3:18-21; Titus 2:2-8; 1 Peter 3:1-7.

Hello Keron. I believe this verse, Titus 3:5, speaks to us of a one-time act of the Holy Spirit. As you read from verse 4, we can understand that "the kindness and love of God our Saviour" continues onto verse 6, "Which (Love - that Love of God) he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour", with verse 5 being parenthetical between verses 4 & 6.

So Paul is writing about God's Love poured out to us through His Son; & to receive His Love & appropriate it in our lives, the work of His Holy Spirit has to be involved. This work cannot be done by us ("Not by works of righteousness which WE have done", v5), but can only be done & done perfectly by the Holy Spirit. So the rest of verse 5 tells us that the Spirit washes us (our hearts) clean to give us a regenerated life, & also renews us (giving us His Spirit, Acts 10:45, that we can & should 'from henceforth no longer live for ourselves but to live for Christ'). All this simply cannot be done by our volition or power - only by the Spirit & Power of God.

Some folk believe that the "washing of regeneration" pertains to the regenerative act being accomplished when one is water baptized. And this alludes to the 'laver (basin) of washing', i.e. water baptism for whence comes the full regenerative work in a believer. I don't subscribe to this & Scripture doesn't support an extra act to complete regeneration, which would mean something done that is added to saving faith, which then negates the real meaning of 'faith'. Rather, I think of Paul, who also writes about the Church in Ephesians 5:25-27, that not only individually, but also corporately (the Church) whom Christ loves by sanctifying & washing it with the water by the Word, so that she might be presented spotless & faultless in that day. Here we see the same author (Paul), using water as a metaphor of purifying the Body of believers, just as His Spirit washes our individual hearts clean from all past sins & filthiness that once separated us from God.

Ephesians 5:4, in context: Ephesians 5:1-20,, 1John 2:21-29, context: 1John 2, Matthew 12:36, 1John 3:7,

Proverbs 14:9, Hebrews 11:36, in context Hebrews 11, Isaiah 63:8, James 3:14, Revelation 22:14,15, Revelation 21:27,

Hopefully these are helpful

Dear Antonio James on Hebrews 3 and all the rest :).

Thanks for the reminder from the Hebrews.

1 John 3.10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Isaiah 51:2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him."

2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

2 Timothy 4.7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

John 5:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Wesley's Notes for Romans 16:1

16:1 I commend unto you Phebe - The bearer of this letter. A servant - The Greek word is a deaconness. Of the church in Cenchrea - In the apostolic age, some grave and pious women were appointed deaconnesses in every church. It was their office, not to teach publicly, but to visit the sick, the women in particular, and to minister to them both in their temporal and spiritual necessities. THIS IS THE WRONG STATEMENT.

There is no such thing about deaconness found and literally written in the King James Version Holy Bible Edition 1611 except only the Biblical word "deacon(s)" according to the scriptures of 1 Timothy 3:8-13 KJVS

[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The man is the head of the woman according to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJVS

[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Genesis 3:16 KJVS

[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Ephesians 5:23-24 KJVS

[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Hi Jacqueline.

I'm not sure that's in scripture the way you put it. Here's a link.

The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. The church is comprised of those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and have received eternal life. Christ, theBridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride ( Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him ( 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At therapture, the church will be united with the Bridegroom and the official "wedding ceremony" will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized ( Revelation 19:7-9;21:1-2).

God bless.

Hi Alex N. In your response to conditional promises, you wrote about the kingdom of God, as though all Christians already have this in them, I should clarify this statement therefore to you, the first dispensation of the kingdom of heaven is inwardly, it lasts for 2,000 years, from the time the Lord Jesus died until he returns, according to the Lord Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 all Christians have the kingdom of God in their heart, this is also taught in John 3:5, all Christians enter the kingdom of God when they are born again, The Apostle Paul affirms this truth in Colossians 1:13, however, this is not what I was speaking about in conditional promises, I spoke about the millennial kingdom of God, which has not happened yet, no Christian has entered this yet, all scriptures place conditions upon entering that kingdom of God. I will say this, we made it into the first dispensation of the kingdom by faith without works, but to make it into the millennial kingdom, it is by faith with works. Please read Matthew 7:21 only if a Christian does the will of God can he make it in, this is a condition attached to making it in the kingdom. Read Matthew 25:14-30 unless you used your talents you cannot make it into the joy of the Lord, being the millennial kingdom, again a conditional promise to get it, or read Acts 14:22 as we must suffer much tribulation in order to make it into the kingdom, another conditional attached to making it into the millennial kingdom of heaven. Again read the warnings of why Christians will not make it into that millennial kingdom in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 & Galatians 5:19-21 & Ephesians 5:3-5 as a result of living a godless lifestyle, you lose your inheritance of entering into the millennial kingdom of God, in order to rule and reign for a thousand years. As concerning your topic of the man child teaching us all things, that prophecy is for the coming of Elijah in Malachi 4:5-6 it is not the ministry of the man child. I hope this explains conditional promises.

Hi Jet.

When we focus on marriage we see why we should never divorce.

A marriage should model Christ relationship to the Church!!

Ephesians 5:21-32. Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

This is a great mystery: BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.

Do you notice the last sentence?

" I speak of Christ and the Church "

God uses marriage to communicate Christ love for his Church.

And they are inseparable!!

Hello, Isaiah Abbise! The Scripture you quoted is Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams," the Apostle Peter is quoting Joal 2:28, Joal having prophesized the Pentecost when Jesus would send the Holy Spirit. If you are born again, the Holy Spirit is given at the moment of salvation ( Ephesians 1:13). Galatians 3:2. This is in contrast to the filling of the Spirit referred to in Ephesians 5:18. We should be so completely yielded to the Holy Spirit that He can possess us fully and, in that sense, fill us. Romans 8:9. God bless you!

I will speak of versus 19-21;

Here the apostle Paul gives warning unto all Christians concerning the millennial kingdom, he warns if Christians live an ungodly lifestyle of immorality in these seventeen sins or the like, they cannot inherit the kingdom of God. This warning is specifically speaking about not inheriting a kingdom, it is not speaking of Christians who live immoral lifestyles cannot go to heaven. The Kingdom of God is based upon conditional promises, Christians must qualify in order for them to make it into the millennial kingdom of God, otherwise they will remain in heaven until the thousand year kingdom has expired before being resurrected. The Apostle Paul gives this same warning in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Ephesians 5:3-5 Even the Lord Jesus taught conditional promises must be met before a Christian is counted worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 7:21 The Lord Jesus taught if we bury our pounds we are denied entrance into the Millennial kingdom of Christ, as we must meet the conditions to qualify us. Luke 19:12-27 Again, the Apostle Paul taught conditional promises are required to make it into the millennial kingdom, as we must through much tribulation enter that kingdom of God. Acts 14:22

Hi Mishael,

You shared quite a bit. I agree that we're in a spiritual battle, rather than the battle is already won and we can just chillax mindset.

As far as the apostacy, I probably have a different opinion. I believe in accountability among brothers and sisters, but based on scripture I think this has a limit at some point if someone has turned away from Jesus and is embracing a sinful life. If we are no longer the one encouraging and influencing, but are at risk of being tempted and adversely affected ourselves, that might be one indicator to back off and draw closer to Jesus followers. The reason I believe that is verses like 2 Timothy 3:1-5 it says 'from such turn away'. Also Ephesians 5:11, Revelation 3:16.

You mentioned only 20% of church goers tithe. I'm not sure how you'd know that, because each person can give anonymously sometimes, and may give to a variety of other people and organizations in need. I personally believe that its just as much of an act of giving to give of ones own time directly helping someone rather than paying $ to an organization to do the same thing. I personally prefer helping someone in person directly. And I think ones time and efforts have great value. Maybe some consider that a tithe, maybe some don't. But I do, and I don't know how someone could possibly calculate what others are or are not giving. Also, we have seasons of famine and properity and sometimes people simply aren't able to give much and I think that's ok. I don't think that broke college students should feel guilt or inferior or that they're not Christians for not being able to give a tithe. Its more likely satan who wants them to feel that way.

That's awesome you experienced a spirit filled service. One more thought worth sharing is you mentioned 12 people who didn't respond to a message were 'hypocrites'. As a brother in Christ I interpret that as sounding judgmental. We have no idea what thoughts are occuring in someone's mind and I wouldn't assume its bad.

Kimberlee 2 Corinthians 9 The biggest reason I understand scripturally is originally God gave women to

be a helpmeet or walk with her man so they both would operate to there full potential. If it would be done

according to Gods standards Ephesians 5:21-31 then everything works to Gods glory. That being said I

see great women of God that took a stand or ministered in a temple which is different then a Gift Ministry.

So Gods best standard is whats stated in the Timothy epistles for ordination not saying a women can't

teach or instruct the gospel message but that's different than ordination.

You should worship, Thank him, Speak and Sing Praises to him, by songs and hymns.

That's all.

Ephesians 5:19

Note: this was a woman betrayer. Judges 14,15,

Proverbs 11:13, Micah 7:5,

Deuteronomy 7:3-6,

Yet GOD was doing a work Judges 14:4, Judges 15:20,

New Testament Ephesians 5:25,28,33, 1Peter 1:22, Colossians 3:19, 1 Corinthians 7:14,

Hopefully these are helpful in your search

The Holy Spirit did exist & manifest itself in people prior. Genesis 1:2, Genesis 6:3, Genesis 41:38, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:3, Judges 11:29, 1 Samuel 11:6-7, 1 Samuel 16:13, 2 Kings 2:9,

1 Samuel 16:14, 1 Samuel 19:20,

There are more references. Here are some more study references. Hope this helps.

appears to be different in the manifestation unto many people at the same time with many events occurring.

Also people being able to transfer the HOLY Spirit to another seems to appear after CHRIST was resurrected from death & the grave. Acts 1, Acts 9:17,31, Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15,16, Acts 13:52, Acts 19:1-11,

Ephesians 5:9, Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:1,

Please read the WORD of GOD,

Dusty Here's a simple way to view it, next to great men of God there are great women to be a help meet

I.E. to help pray teach instruct and preach within the structure that God set up. There are instances in he

old testament where women so to speak took a stand. In the church of God in Timothy the order is men ordained are

encouraged to lead as pastors and bishops the statement with women in subjection strictly depends on the

men walking according to Ephesians 5:25-29. So keep this in mind the conditions are always it is written.

In the old testament there were women prophets and great women of believing like the shunammites

women who's child was raised from the dead. There are other examples.

Hi Terri Queen The things you've shared are very understandably challenging and from what I gather

your either angry or disgusted. When I have focused on a problem I've never solved it because I didn't go to

God's word first get peaceful Col. 3:15 and ask for the solution. In dealing with others we speak the truth in Love, not

judging but I personally have never told someone their going to hell if they don't believe, but I said your not

headed in the right direction if you keep going in the one your in. I have a few relatives that are very religious

but in a high minded self righteous pharrisitic way. Not saying you are but don't become what you dislike,

remember wise as serpents and harmless. The world is geared to take away our peace hope joy and most our Love

which from what I'm seeing is being worked on in an excellerated way. Which by the way 2 Timothy 3:13 evil will

wax words and worse which is a gradual advance to hardening. The only solution for us to stay tenderhearted and

loving and forgiving is being cemented mentally in Christ. Ephesians 5:1+2, by Gods Grace I pray you will be comforted

in your mental pressure. It's challenging not to be overcome by the unbelief in our current society.

Just thought I'd share some heart!

I agree GiGi, these matters are very difficult to properly judge & sort out. I'm glad that all this is in the Lord's Hands, He Who will judge righteously, Who sees the whole situation & the hearts involved. Nevertheless, I do get quite sad when a marriage breaks down with no solution in sight & that spouses are consigned to singleness for their remaining days. It would be like losing a loved one to death, & then carrying that pain for a long time. Like many other issues in the Christian walk, each person must do according to the Word, trusting God for the strength to bear up & stay true to Him. There is always some discipline & suffering when we knowingly entertain sin, & though God may be all-forgiving, we still have to face the ramifications of whatever sin we commit, especially that which damages or destroys other lives. To live with that might sometimes be harder than falling under God's Hand.

If the ministry from the Word is strong & consistent, whatever sins that might be hidden from the Pastor, will be manifest to the disobedient from the Word - they might even leave that Fellowship of their own accord & seek one that speaks sympathetically to them, welcoming them in. I believe that when we put the Lord & His Word first in our lives & in the life of the Church, Jesus will deal with us for the singular purpose of, "sanctifying and cleansing it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." ( Ephesians 5:26,27). And this deep Love of Christ for us illustrates the love that husbands & wives ought to have for each other (vv 24,25) - bathed with understanding, forgiveness, & humility, esteeming each other.