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Charlie Slaves on Ecclesiasticus 17:11

Questions as to why specific writings became 'apocrypha' and subsequently removed from the original KJV is simply that content therein cemented the foundation of the word giving greater understanding. A time for everything and everything has a time.

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If you read from Genesis to Revelation their is a common theme. The Promise seed Genesis 3:15, Israel Gods chosen people , The coming one the messiah, Israel's disobedience and captivity, Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) mercy and delivering his people from captivity because they repented. Even the book of Ruth played a part in the symbolic descendant role in the promise seed

Matthew 1:5.

How does the book of Esther add up? this book talks about Jews being in Shushan. The Jews were always in captivity by their enemies for their deliberate disobedience to Jehovah- Nehemiah 13:23-31; Esther 2:6 (Exile). Esther didn't have a choice; she was in exile or in captivity as while and taken to the kings house- Esther 2:8. Jehovah god blessed this situation because they relied on him when Haman tried to scheme or plot to destroy all the Jews Esther 3:5-15. This book is accurate because it matches the other books regarding Jews being in captivity or exile.



When you read the apocrypha does it match the bibles overall theme? does this puzzle pieces match?

does it complete the whole picture?

I hope this answers your question. Thank you

Hi Tami. Did you mean to write, Haman? If so, then we see from Esther 3:1 that he was an Agagite, i.e. he was a descendant of Agag, king of the Amalekites. He was a prominent person in the court of King Ahasuerus of the Persian kingdom, but after the execution of the king's chamberlains, Ahasuerus decided to promote Haman to the highest level, even above his other princes (leaders, overlords). But as you read this account in this Book of Esther, you will learn how evil this man was, ultimately leading to his downfall from his lofty position & to his execution.

The two gospels (Luke and Mark) explain that divorce and remarriage is adultery without exception; Matthew has what is known as an "escape clause" for fornication; which is worded differently in the very next passage both times ( Matthew 5 and 19) where those who MARRY someone who is divorced is committing adultery (even if marrying the "innocent spouse").

I see the exception of fornication as talking of breaking an engagement BEFORE CONSUMMATION in marriage since its use earlier in the passage talking about Joseph thinking of divorcing Mary during the espousal period.

There are some complexities with other scriptures; although in Romans and Corinthians it seems pretty clear that ONLY if a spouse dies is a woman innocent to remarry and of course a man in reverse situation as well. Even if we think the exception clause means adultery; those who KNOW they have remarried for any other reason and hence did wrong have to get out of it like any other sin. That is against what is "politically correct" in many circles but with any other sin we know we commit we must stop doing it not just say we made a mistake and expect God to honor it. I can't see that abandonment or abuse allows for remarriage; or even divorce other than for the other committing adultery. Corinthians says to remain separate or resolve differences. We certainly are not free to trade in for a younger model; or any other excuse for divorce. Yes abuse means a separation perhaps a permanent one is NECESSARY. We are to be at peace whenever possible; and there are kids to consider.

The best thing I can ask; being through a divorce myself (because of adultery) is to look with discerning eyes on those who are remarried to see where they are spiritually. And look to yourself as well. I could have involved myself in a relationship; the Lord stopped me. Any vow or covenant made between God and men must be kept as God keeps His end when we vow till death do us part He holds us accountable.

Agape.

I believe most of the answers on this subject are found in 1 Corinthians chapter 7, Tiffany. Here, the Apostle Paul writes about problems within a marriage, which should hopefully be dealt with by a temporal separation & then a coming together (v5); or in divorce, that they remain unmarried, or else come back together (vv 10,11); or in a marriage where one is a believer & the other, not. Divorce can take place if one is unhappy to live with the other - but the idea of remaining single thereafter is implied (vv 12-16).

And this is based on Matthew 19:5,6: "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Any marriage, whether amongst believers or not, brings about an indissoluble union, as the two become one. If a divorce has to take place, then they have to remain separated. If they remarry, then they would remain accountable to God for their decisions. It seems the only times that a lawful remarriage can take place are when one spouse dies ( 1 Corinthians 7:39), or because of fornication committed ( Matthew 5:31,32). However, this 'fornication' seems to be based on Deuteronomy 24:1, where "uncleanness is found in her", i.e. it is supposed that the man has found that his wife was not pure, whether occurring in her single state or in the betrothal period, or even after marriage. Some have raised arguments about this understanding; and some take this infidelity by the woman to happen only within the marriage, so giving grounds for divorce. Unfortunately, there's no indication what happens when the husband has been unfaithful. In any case, the general understanding is that divorce is a severing of a holy union, and if it must happen, then remaining unmarried thereafter ensures that no sin is committed.

what the Bible says about remarriage?

Some preach fasting as a command because Jesus said "when, thou fastest" Matthew 6:16-21,

Sometimes people & Church congregations fast for closeness with GOD, to feel HIS presence, & clarity on direction from GOD: Matthew 9:15, Mark 2:19,20, Luke 5:34,35, Ezra 8:21,23, Nehemiah 1:4, Nehemiah 1, (in context.), Daniel 9:2-3, 2Corinthians 6:4,5

Fasting & prayer to help deliver people from sin, addiction, mental illness, demonic oppression, Matthew 17:21, (context) Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,

1Samuel 7:3

1Corinthians 7:3-5,

Fasting for deliverance: 2Chronicles 20:1-30, Esther 4:3,16, in context: Esther 3:8-15, - Esther 4, Daniel 6:12-23, Joel 1:14, Joel 2:12,

Fasting in repentance, sometimes even after GOD's judgement : 1Samuel 7:2-17, 2Samuel 12:7-23, (do you think it was easier to except it because he was fasting? While others were perplexed?) 1Kings 21, note 1Kings 21:27-29, Jonah 3:5-10, Joel 2:15,

Also Isaiah 58,

Jesus fasted an extreme fast: Matthew 4:2,

When it says in: Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:17-18, can we do these things without fasting?

I believe there are too many scriptures about power in fasting, direction, deliverance & repentance to think lightly of.

Fasting is submission, Romans 13:7, Luke 20:25, Matthew 17:25-26,

Hopefully these are helpful

1Timothy 5:8, please read 1Timothy 5, for context, it's not just talking about immediate family but providing for Aunts.

Titus 1:7, 1Corinthians 4:2, Luke 19, Luke 12, Matthew 25,

Matthew 27:35, John 19:24, Psalms 22:18, Mark 15:24, Luke 23:34, Joel 3:3, Obediah 1:11, Nahum 3:10, Esther 3:7-15, Esther 9:24,

Leviticus 16:8-10, Numbers 26:55,56, Numbers 33:54, Numbers 34:13, Jonah 1:7, Acts 1:26,

Proverbs 16:33, Proverbs 18:18, Luke 1:9,

Note:

1Samuel 15:9-35, 1st, is Haman in Esther the Agagite the result of this disobedience? Because 1Samuel 15:32, shows time passed, that Haman tried to have every Jewish person put to death & property, possessions taken Esther 3:6,9,12,13,

2nd, 1Samuel 13:9-13, 1Samuel 13:14, it was already promised to Saul his kingdom would not continue. GOD's WORD stands. 1Samuel 16:1, 1Samuel 18:17-28, 1Samuel 25:44,

3rd, 2Samuel 6:16, why wasn't she with them celebrating? 2Samuel 6:15,19, There's a point made here "as well to the women"._. 2Samuel 6:20, instead despising as David came to bless them. 1Chronicles 15:29,

4th, 1Samuel 18:16, 1Samuel 18:6-7, yet 2Samuel 3:13, he honored Saul & Michal, when he had choices

Hopefully this is helpful,

Daniel 10:3,

2 Chronicles 20:1-4, Ezra 8:21-22, Esther 3: , Esther 4:1,3,7,8,11,14,16, Isaiah 58:6-14, Jeremiah 36:7-10, Joel 1:12-15, Joel 2:15,

Jonah 3:3-6,

Matthew 6:16-18, Matthew 9:14-15, Mark 2:18-20, Luke 5:33-35,

In church pastor preaching on it

It shows me the provision and protection of God for his people. If God be for us who can be against us. God is protecting us even when we can't see any danger. Praise be to God.

This verse shows how wicked Haman really was. He didn't want to just kill Mordecai, but he wanted to kill all of the Jews. He abused his new found power, but God was watching and made sure that the evil he planend came back upon his own head.

Haman = humpty dumpy

What goes up, must come down. Stay low and you won't fall. Stay in prayer, humble, and meek. Only glory in the Lord and the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. True christians are in the same situation today; but we MUST NOT compromise or conform. You are not truly living if you are not willing to die for your faith in Christ. There is a remnant... Be blessed.

I think that Esther was chosen and set aside by God to do a work just like he still does today if we allow him to use us. We are not always willing to do the work that God has planned for us. It seems that we know Gods timing better than he does and are not willing to wait for God to give us the go ahead.

It's a good passage

We shouldn't bow down and give reverance to no Man, but God. Praise ye the Lord.

13th June Netanyaho gave Obama a copy of the book of Esther See Chapter 3 verse 13 book of Esther

we are studing esther in bible class it is a story of perverance

Esther represents the purity of the Jewish believer in the eyes of the world therefore she is envied She continues the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham and this parallels Genesis 50 20 and the story of Joseph It is the work of God to take a curse and turn it into a blessing Galatians 3 13 II Cor 5 21 It is absurd to wish ill on the world however when Jesus said Love your enemies bless those who curse you do good to those who hate you and pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you Matt 5 44 Christians are changing the curse into a blessing by obedience not wrath Love

Thanks Clint for your good word. Praise God for Esther. God allow her to be there to use her help to save the Jews. Praise the Lord. Romans 8:28

Thanks Clint for your good word. Praise God for Esther. God allow her to be there to save the Jews. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Romans 8:28

While the book of Esther does not mention the name of God, it is evident from the actions of Mordecai and Esther that they were both faithful servants of the true God Jehovah.

For example, take a look at this:-

Throughout the record it is strongly evident that Mordecai both accepted and obeyed the law of Jehovah. He refused to bow down to honor a man who probably was an Amalekite; God had marked the Amalekites for extermination. ( Esther 3:1, 5; Deut. 25:19; 1 Sam. 15:3) Mordecai’s expression at Esther 4:14 indicates that he expected deliverance from Jehovah and that he had faith in divine direction of the entire course of events. Esther’s fasting, together with similar action by the other Jews, for three days before she went in to the king shows reliance on God. ( Esther 4:16)

Haman must be langushing in hell as we talk. How could he be such a fool? Did he think he could terminate God's promises to Abraham just like that? I pray in the Name of Jesus Christ that any "Haman" in the lives of the true christians will die NOW in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ.

Amazing indeed, how people grovel at the feet of mortal human beings! In my short lifetime, I have seen people (rich and poor, educated and otherwise, nobles, aristocrats, politicians, leaders etc) bow down to, kiss the feet/hands, ... mere creatures walking the top side of this earth. Why in the world they do this is a mystery to me in this day and age of enlightenment, historical record, etc.

May the Lord help me to remain steadfast and only bend my knees to the King of kings, Lord of lords, the Son of the Most High, no matter what happens - be it threat/hunger/want of anything.

Even Haman was aware that we are not fighting against flesh.

Does the bible tell us to reverence no man; If it does where is it?

In the book of Esther, I see the Divine arrangement of God for His people. The King, his counselors, queen Vashti, Mordecai, Esther and everyone never knew what Satan was planning. But known unto God are all His works. He pre arranged everything and positioned everyone according to his eternal plans and purposes, to give the world a Saviour so that anyone who believes and calls for mercy would be saved. In all that we pass through in this life, supposing God is arranging and positioning things and people and situations to work out His eternal plans and purposes for you. May He open your eyes to see His hand in everything around you in Jesus’ name. Amen. To you who do not believe in God, if at the end of life you meet Him, what would you say? You would have everything to lose then and it would be too late. But to you who believe, you would have everything to gain, so continue to live rightly as Esther did.

@Solon,
God was in charge just as He was when Joseph was sold to the Egyptians. God set Joseph up to save the Jews and likewise He set up Esther to save Jews! This book is about God and His providence in the nation of Israel! So please, Stop teaching hate and start preaching truth! This is not a political book about prostituting Esther, but a book about God’s care and providence over His people!

Walter, in this tale you will notice that the only falsity in evidence was on the part of Mordecai and Esther. Mordecai concealed his true identity and required that Esther do likewise; Mordecai acted as a spy and by means of subterfuge; Mordecai urged Esther to -- let's call it what it is: prostitute herself. Vashti, the Persian queen, had the character to turn away from position and wealth to protect her virtue, but Esther prostituted herself to gain power and riches.
Furthermore, the Persians had liberated Jews and Persian 'taxpayers' were called upon to offer up their treasure to sustain Jews as they rebuilt Jerusalem. Where was Mordecai and Esther's gratitude for this major and ongoing generosity?

That gives rise to another question: Why were Esther and Mordecai in Persia and not in Jerusalem? Aren't we told that the entire quest of Jewish people is for the "land of zion," to return to Jerusalem? Why was Esther in Persia?

Finally, you'll notice that god is not mentioned in the entire book of Esther. The book is not a spiritual tract, it is political.
Inasmuch as Benj. Netanyahu closed an important speech with emphasis on Esther, and that Jewish people who celebrate no other element of Jewish religion or culture nevertheless celebrate Purim, the feast of the slaughter of 75,000 Persians, it becomes important for Christians everywhere to completely rethink the intentions of Jewish people in other lands.

As faithfull mordacai shows us dont bow down to the enemy of all people doe he will exalt him self ii thes 2, Isa 14, isa 28, ezek 31. and as Daniel,mashek and abendigo did not bow so likewise we shall not bow to the false one.