Discuss Exodus 17

Jerry.

Part 2.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: "LORD" ( Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) - strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles "LORD" (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, "Lord." The revelation of the name is given to Moses "I Am who I Am" ( Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance ( Psalm 107:13), forgiveness ( Psalm 25:11) and guidance ( Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" ( Genesis 22:14) - the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" ( Exodus 15:26) - "I am Jehovah who heals you" both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" ( Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" ( Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) - God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" ( Judges 6:24) - the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" ( Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) - a combination of God's unique name YHWH and the generic word for "God" signifying that He is the Lord who is God.

See Part 3.

Psalm 81 and the "waters of Meribeh".

Verse 7 of the Psalm indicates a place otherwise known as "Kadesh barnea". Apparently there was an incident in the Book of Numbers as well which could have been a separate occasion. It is likely that Moses had to provide water for the multitude on many occasions-if not in such a spectacular fashion. In any case, Moses struck the rock twice ( Exodus 17:6); disobeying the command to only strike it once. Whether due to anger and frustration or careless disobedience the result was that it was held as sin and ultimately was a reason that he could not enter the Promised Land. ( Deut. 32:51-52).

Notice that the promises of provision in verse 10 and again in verse 16 were predicated on the requirement of verses 8-9; namely that there would be no worship of other gods. That basically boiled down the reasons for being bagged down for a whole generation in the desert; as well as rebellions later when they could have taken over the pagan nations much more quickly and completely.

This passage of scripture should give us pause if we are in a position of authority in the church today. Clearly; those teaching the Word are held to a higher standard ( James 3:1).

God is longsuffering and patient; and also alone can truly have righteous indignation. Moses was said to be meek above all who dwelled upon the earth. ( Numbers 12:3). Yet this one sin had lasting repercussions. Today; of course wwe see error in the other direction where there is no fear of the Lord as well as appreciation of Him being a jealous God. Error is not only permitted but taught in many cases. James 1:8 warns of a double minded man being unstable in all his ways; and the preceding verse shows that he should expect nothing from the Lord.

I will NOT EVER stir up anyone against anyone else, but as brothers and sisters, we MUST be EVER VIGILANT for ourselves--not just the rest of the flock! Christ said, we are to be as wise as serpentine a, but as gentle as doves! We are to pray FOR our enemies, and we are to bless those that curse us, do good to them that hate us, and to love our enemies. We are not to be tarnished b the world, or get lost in its darkness, but to be light! I was weary, but GOD allowed you my UNSEEN BRETHREN to make me STRINGER!!! I. appreciate the power of prayer to God who it only hears, but answers and allows us to save each other from death!!!! Thank you brother or sister, GiGi, and I HOPE, that or Father will that the others who have elped me in here and elsewhere will see my Thanksgiving for you ALL!! My strength is fickle! But if I keep close and abide IN Christ, I will be held up in Him, and heldup by you all--my hands of Moses! ( Exodus 17:11-14)

11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.

13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

14 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven."

Be vigilant...EVERYBODY, because the enemy wants to defeat, and we NEED GOD's word IN US as a sword, shield, helmet, etc

!!! Please do NOT take my words lightly!!! Fear GOD!!!! And beseech Him and even if you don't, He STILL prepares us in advance for what we'll need in the future! He told me to pray 14 seconds b4 I was in a head-on collision in 2012. I walked away, to help the person whoHitMe

Moses controlled the sea by order of GOD. Exodus 14:15-31,

Other times, Joshua 3, 2Kings 2:8, 2Kings 2:14, Mark 4,

Exodus 17:6, note Numbers 20:7-12, GOD even gave them the power & authority to just speak to the water to come forth, matter of fact; it was an Order, & because it wasn't followed it was counted against them.

Mark 9:23, Luke 18:27, Mark 10:27, Matthew 19:26,

James 4:1-3,

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful

HALLELUJAH!!!! Praise the Lord! That lesson sets my heart singing and my mouth praising, Gigi! Thank you so much for that encouragement! Glory to God! He really is the CHAMPION Who was, is, and ever will be the Stronger-than-the Strongman Captain of our Salvation! Praise the Lord!

You and your family are always in thought and prayer..especially Mom....

Loving holy hugs, Gigi,

-Kay-

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The chapter ended with Moses being commanded by God to memorialize this battle in the book and to recount it in the hearing of Joshua that God would utterly blot out Amalek from under heaven. Moses built an altar and named it "The Lord is My Banner." or YHWH-Nissi. How wonderful to know that God is over us like a banner that fights the battles foy us! Our victory comes from God, not from ourselves!

The Israelites were not a trained army yet. They were a million or so people, men/women/children. They had fled Egypt and are now out of Egypt (Sinai peninsula was still Egypt) in Midian. They most likely had not been met with many people up until now.

They were a ragamuffin band of people, not an army ready for battle.

But God fought for them. God instructed Moses to make a memorial. Not that the Israelites won the battle, but that God had gained the victory for them. So, the altar was like a victory banner that tells of the hero in a battle. YHWH-Nissi. God is our banner, He is the victor, the hero, the deliverer, the stronger, the determiner of the outcome. I should remember this, too.

Finally, I am getting back to Exodus.

This chapter has two sections:

The Israelites arrive at Rephidim near Mt. Horeb. There is no water and the Israelites are very upset with Moses. God directs Moses to strike the rock so that water will flow out of it.

The Amalekites (descendants of Esau's grandson, Amalek) come from Edom to attack the Israelites. The israelites prevail in the battle when Moses' hands are raised and the Amalekites prevail when His arms tire and are lowered.

What impresses me is that God told Moses He would be with Moses at the rock. Was He next to Moses, in front of him, next to the rock , on top of the rock, behind or in front of the rock? How did God appear? Was it in the pillar of fire or some other way? The text does not specify, but it is clear that Moses could see God there.

The people were so upset at the lack of water that they wanted to stone Moses. Moses cries out to God for help. God instructs Moses to strike the rock with his rod. Moses obeys and water gushes out of the rock. The Israelites would not have been able to survive without his water. The water continued to flow so that they had ample water for their stay around Mt. Horeb (Sinai).

The Amalekites came down from Edom to attack the Israelites. It think archeological investigations show that Jabal El Lawz, the tallest mountain in Midian on the east side of the Red sea in the Gulf of Aqaba is most likely Mt. Horeb. This would make sense as the Amalekites would not have needed to travel far and may have felt that their borders were threatened by the Israelite nation.

The Amalekites attacked Israelites, not the other way around. Moses put Joshua in charge of the army while Moses, Aaron, and Aaron's son Hur, went up to a hill with the 'rod of God'. When Moses' arms became too heavy and tired, Aaron pulled up a rock to hold up Moses' to sit upon because and Aaron and Hur supported his hands since they became heavy and tired. They did this until sundown. Joshua won!

Please read: Numbers 14:18, Numbers 14:19, Deuteronomy 7:9, 2Peter 3:9,



Numbers 20:7-12, is a portion of the whole story & reason.

Let's look at the bigger picture:

Numbers 20:12, please note it says "Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore._._" , Please read Exodus, Moses' doubts: Exodus 3:11,13, Exodus 4:1,3,10,14, Exodus 4:24-26, Exodus 5:22, Exodus 6:12, Exodus 6:30, Exodus 14:11-15, Exodus 16:2-28, Exodus 17:2-7, Exodus 32:11-19,30,31,32,33, Exodus 33:1-3, Numbers 11:1-15, mercy ( Numbers 11:16-20,) Numbers 11:21-23, * Numbers 13, Numbers 13:30,31,32, * Numbers 14, very significant I believe, when they were supposed to take the promised land please read Numbers chapters 13 & 14, & notice: Numbers 13:30, Numbers 14:24, Numbers 14:22-23,

Psalms 95:6-11, note Psalms 95:10-11,

Hebrews 3:5-19, Luke 13:24, Mark 10:15,

Hopefully this is helpful

Hi Richard.

Great work! Just wanted to I understand the view as you stated it, Moses was supposed to speak to the rock the second time, Christ was the rock 1 Corinthians 10-4. Moses was to smite the rock in Exodus 17:6. And speak to it in Numbers 20:8-11. It seems in verse 10 Moses shows frustration and says "Hear now, ye rebels; must "WE" fetch you waters out of this rock?

I believe he misrepresented the Lord and made it look like theLord was angry. But to fulfill the type, if the rock was Christ scripture says it pleased the Lord to bruise him. And then we come to Numbers 20:12.

Thanks.

God bless.

Amalek apparently was the grandson of Esau. Hence; they were held in check as earlier prophecies indicted by the children of the Promise; or of Jacob's descendants. Before this; in verse 6; Moses according to other scripture lost his chance to enter the Promised Land because he allowed his own anger to rule over him; and smote the rock more than once. This is said to be a typology of Christ in relation to His wounds only occurring once; or something to that effect. Someone can help clarify that for me.

In any event; the Lord continued to use the rod of Moses along with the faithfulness of Joshua to carry out vengeance as the Lord required in beginning to smite and defeat Amalek. This was according to verse 16 to continue until their total defeat.

We need to remember in all this such statements as in the prophecy given to Abraham with the Amorites; namely that their iniquity would be judged; but not until it was "to the full". God was judging ungodly people and many who populated the surrounding land were children of the giants; or fallen angels who had relations with women and produced hybrid offspring. It was not for their righteousness that Israel was preserved but for His "name's sake" that they were chosen out of all the nations of the earth to the destiny that they had through the Covenant promises.

This appears to be the only event before the end of the 40 years and crossing of the Jordan (again in a miraculous manner) where a war had to be fought; so it is interesting that it was a controversy directly tied into Isaac's descendants. They were as predicted dwelling as nomads around the Northern Arabia area and later south of Judah (according to Wikipedia).

Exodus 19:11-12, please note: Exodus 19:16-25, Exodus 20:18-21, (Expdus 23:22-24, 31-33) , Exodus 24:1-3,7, Exodus 24:9-11, Exodus 24:12-18, Exodus 32:1-7, Exodus 32:8-11,13,14,15,19,21,22, Exodus 32:35, Exodus 33:5, Exodus 33:11-23, Exodus 34:6-7, Exodus 34:30, Exodus 40:34-35, Leviticus 10:1-2,3,

Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,

Hebrews 13:17,

Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.

I've wondered that too. GOD directs some people to do out of the ordinary things & out of the ordinary things happen when they've done what GOD directed them to do. I think we're thinking too much into it like 'if we tried it will it work' here's some other examples

Exodus 17:6, Numbers 20:1-11, notice Numbers 20:8 GOD said "speak to the rock" , Numbers 20:12, Numbers 13 & 14,

Genesis 31:12,

Where are the Amalekites now? Who are they now and what country/place can we locate them?

I really cherish moments when God fights for His children,because He wipes out the enemies from under heaven completely and permanently

This is all I could find:

Genesis 22:14

And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Exodus 6:3

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Exodus 17:15

And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

Judges 6:24

Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovahshalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

Psalms 83:18

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4

Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

No, is the son of Esau,who grew up in the house hold of Esau, Another people that are giants the amalekites.
Through great battle Moses and Joshua did many battle with the evil Amalek but they never wiped them out, as was order .
And before Agag died sired a child who kept Amalek lineage alive.
Amalek was not the father of amalekites of Gen14, who were of the giant race

Wasn't it Aaron and Hur? As Joshua fought? to Grace-4

was Amalek a giant?

remember vs 6 here. Later on Moses is told to only speak to a rock to bring forth water but he smites it instead and it is why he came not into the promise land because he disobeyed the Lord.

My pastor spoke on this chapter in service yesterday. It blessed me, so I thought I'd share it. He said Aaron (being a priest) represented the Word of God, and Hur represented praise. That is what held Moses up on both sides when he was weary! Jehovah-nissi ... my banner! He encouraged us to stay under the banner and to hold up the blood stained banner of Christ!

Verse 2~The people were arguing with Moses, but they were really putting Jehovah God to the test. This shows the importance of having faith in God and respecting his representatives.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Exodus 17:6 "Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel."

"Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him." Prov. 27:22 In other words; you could grind [some kind of] people to powder, with goodness and righteousness and divine influence; and still they will be as ugly, hateful and hostile to the Spirit of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ. What must God do, to ever have a holy people?

Glory be to God. He is worthy to be praised. HALLELUJAH!!

This is a typical example of Good leader, when he got weary, Aaron and Hur gave their support the best way possible, they did not leave Moses with whole burden. As Christians, we should learn to give our support at all times no matter how little, it will go a long way
God bless us all

V. 12 - when Aaron and Hur held up Moses' hands - it was a type of our supporting our pastors; not physically, but lifting him to God in prayer, for spiritual daily strength, because he does so much more during the week than just preach a sermon on Sunday, and - GOD BLESS THAT SUNDAY MESSAGE TO HIM AND US!! But he visits hosp., answers calls for backsliders in need ...........

First of all i want to thank God for showing us ourselves and book exdous how we as people's find ourselves doubt his command if things dont go our way even Mose has to believe trust his words God has to speak encourage Mose he didn't know what to do with peoples they had lose hope were God brought them out of Egypt they didn't see point why they still had to go though dry places God test us same.

I feel like exodus are the words this world needs to live by. Giving thanks to the lord should be number one ALLWAYS .

God is showing us / teaching us about the place "Rephidim". This is the place where the Israelites began to doubt God.
Yes, we know God has called us - there are times when we have to pass through a place called Rephidim in our journey. He has the master plan. Let us wait upon Him and let us not curse / doubt - He is able and can make something out of nothing.

Bless the Lord our God for his patience. i do not think I could be as patient with anyone after showing wonders signs and miracles as he did to the Israelites. I probably would have struck them down after this last round of doubting and started again. Thank and Bless his holy name he has more patience than I.