Discuss Exodus 2

  • Richard H Priday - 8 months ago
    Prayers of Moses

    It appears that there were at least 14 prayers of Moses; which I think I can safely say shows his prayers were more frequent and a more intimate relationship with the Lord than anyone besides David and of course Christ Himself; except perhaps John the Baptist. Exodus 33:11 speaks of the uniqueness of Moses who spoke face to face with the Lord and even got to view him from afar (his back quarters) in Exodus 33:20-23. We do well to "camp out" on these prayers to learn something about humility as we see was part of Moses' character; as well as his two faults listed in scripture.

    Going back into history a bit; we can see through the prayers for offspring of Abraham and Sarah; and that of a wife for Isaac that the entire Biblical lineage as well as the foundation of the patriarchs who constituted the beginnings of the nation of Israel to come much later were established. We go further to Joseph who oddly enough from what I can see doesn't have any prayers listed although certainly lived a faithful existence. With Abraham we have promises of freedom of captivity after 400 years ( Genesis 15:13) which was finally coming to fruition with Moses being God's chosen vessel for this undertaking. Now we had an entire nation of Jews along with a multitude of others along with untold women and children exiting Egypt and basically wandering in the desert; punished by God so that only Joshua and Caleb remained of the original generation to be accompanied by the next generation. It is noteable that Moses' prayer or plea to God to enter the Promised Land was rejected; although He was allowed to view it from afar. ( Deut. 32:52). This was due to his sin at Meribeh ( Numbers 20:13-15). Moses only had one other sin listed; that of killing the Egyptian back before his own 40 years of exile and hiding in Exodus 2:12.

    Themes of prayer for a corporate body in Exodus remind us of prayers needed for the church at large. We also need leaders today like this
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Right and wrong: Further considerations.

    We can see a principle involved when it comes to life and death. At the time of Moses; the Pharaoh commanded that the Jewish babies be killed ( Exodus 1:15-22). This involved the boys only; the midwives ignored this; thus Moses himself was preserved ironically his own mother was paid to nurse him until he was raised by Pharoah's daughter ( Exodus 2:8-10). Strange happenings indeed. Later we see the same thing happen under Herod in Matthew 2:16-18. The Lord warned Joseph and he was out of the area at this time. In these situations we can certainly see that taking a life is against God's law and therefore we must not follow man's law of such destruction. Satan is clearly attempting to destroy as many as he can created in God's image.

    Abraham screwed up twice in regard to lying about his wife during famine and in another difficult situation because he feared for his life. God worked that out supernaturally to show the importance of the marriage covenant and the fact that Abraham was a Prophet. ( Genesis 12:11; Genesis 20:2). Amazingly in Genesis 26:7 Isaac did the same thing with Rebekka. You would thing the lesson would have been learned but clearly certain sins run in the family. What we don't know in these situations is whether those who housed these men's wives at the time would have tried to kill these men if they didn't say anything; since God Himself spoke to them probably not; or they wouldn't have succeeded. The last case involved a Philistine king; again pagans had their conscience pricked (in this case Isaac's behavior made it clear he was her husband). We should consider in all this the sanctity of marriage.

    We see Biblical characters such as Jacob messing around with what would have been Esau's blessing. ( Genesis 27-29). Esau wanted his brother murdured ( Gen. 27:41). Heb. 12:16 shows Esau also was a fornicator; and previously had sold his birthright for food ( Gen. 25:29-34). So God allowed it
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Carol. I believe that Moses learned that he was a Hebrew, being born from among the Israelites. As you know, he was only a babe, found in the bulrushes by Pharaoh's daughter, but was then, by the guidance of God, loaned back to his (Moses') mother to care for him. Then in Exodus 2:10 we read, "And the child grew, and she (Moses' Mother) brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water."

    So the babe Moses was weaned by his natural Mother, who, like her husband, were from the tribe of Levi. As Moses came to an age when he was old enough for solid food (approx 6 months of age, or his Mother might have kept him for as long as she could, as a Mother would with her precious son), she might have whispered to him in simple terms of who he was & to whom he belonged. And as he grew in Pharoah's household, he would have learned further of his background & events leading to his position in the Egyptian royal family. But when Moses saw an Egyptian striking a Hebrew man, he automatically took the Hebrew's side. This shows how Moses still held onto his strong connection to God's people & resisted his Egyptian ties & religion.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Yes JRR, the word 'flesh' can be taken to apply to only mankind; but the Bible does speak of 'other' flesh. As the Apostle Paul referred to this in 1 Corinthians 15:38,39: "But God giveth it (i.e. the seed by God that contains the necessary constituents to form a particular organism), (gives it) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." So, I believe that Genesis 6:18-20, speaks of the various categories of 'flesh' & not to the many tribes & families that exist as human beings.

    And back to the Kenite origins. I have seen opinions that indicate that the Kenites descended from Cain, hence not all flesh were destroyed by the flood. And yet, we get an example in Judges 1:16 indicating that Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, was a Kenite. And then in Numbers 10:29, Jethro is referred to as Raguel (also called 'Reuel' in Exodus 2:18), as a Midianite. What would you make of this? We know that it is the same man, Jethro, that is referred to, but can we assume a connection between the two families (Kenites & Midianites)? If there is and we go back to the immediate descendants of Noah's sons, we can follow the descendency from Shem through to Terah to Abram to Midian (through Keturah): Genesis 10:21-31; Genesis 11:10-32; Genesis 25:1-4 (here, we see Midian born to Abraham through Keturah, of whom (Midian), Jethro is connected to. If Jethro is also recorded as being a Kenite, there must be another family line coming through Midian (maybe through a daughter, not mentioned (only sons) in Genesis 25:4).

    So, it appears that we must be open to the possibility that the Kenites were not from Cain (as much as a similarity exists in those names), but could have come through the descendants of Shem & the Abraham.
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 3 - 2 years ago
    Hi karla. That's a good question & to add to the confusion, I'll throw in Numbers 10:29.

    In Exodus 2:18, we read his name as Reuel & this means "friend of El (God)". This was very likely his given name.

    In Exodus 3:1, Jethro (or, Yithro) is from the word, 'Yether', meaning 'his excellence'. So it seems that Jethro is the same person as Reuel, but Reuel was his given name & Jethro may have been a secondary name or honorific title that others might have called him by. As an example from the New Testament, we read of Simon who was also known as Peter ( Matthew 4:18); again known by two names (Simon, Luke 22:31; Peter, Matthew 8:14; Simon Peter, John 13:6).

    Then in Numbers 10:29, some believe that Hobab is yet another name for Reuel/Jethro, adding to the confusion, and so several opinions have been given to interpret that 'anomaly'. However, I see it simply as: that Hobab was Reuel's (or Raguel's) son, as Raguel (Reuel) was Moses' father-in-law. This type of family tree descriptions can also be found in many other passages, including 1 Chronicles 5:14, Nehemiah 11:7.
  • Karla on Exodus 3 - 2 years ago
    Why is the priest of Midian called Reuel in Exodus 2:18 then Jethro in Exodus 3:1?
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Exodus 2:21 Zipporah, the Midianite, daughter of Reuel, priest of the Most High, living in Midian, southwest of Israel.
  • Chris - In Reply on Numbers 10 - 2 years ago
    Apparently so, DWL. Raguel is another spelling of 'Reuel' (as in Exodus 2:18). Hobab was Moses' brother-in-law.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Mark 15 - 2 years ago
    There was 1st a Priesthood in: Genesis 14:18,

    Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.

    Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.

    Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,

    Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,

    Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.

    They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,

    I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.

    Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions
  • Ron - In Reply on Galatians 2 - 2 years ago
    A little off topic, but I wonder if Paul knew that Moses was a murderer? Exodus 2:11-15

    In his retelling of Moses's killing of the Egyptian in Acts 7:23-29, Luke casts Moses in the image of Jesus, as a rejected deliverer. What's that called when govt does that same thing with their fallen heroes?

    The Israelites' rejection of Moses, which Luke reads into Exodus 2:11-15, is placed in parallel to the Jews' rejection of Jesus, which is understood as the crux of Christianity's break from Judaism.
  • Dennis Loreto Giacomino - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    According to Dr. Peter Ruckman, "The problem here is that Moses had become bitter toward God because of Exodus 2:12-15 and refused to circumcise his own firstborn. He had not obeyed the Abramic covenant in circumcising the child on the eighth day after he was born".
  • Jcbu undercover on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    Exodus 2:10 And she called his name Moses:And she said ,because I drew him out of the water.

    We know later that Moses drew the people out of Egypt,it is so cool how God works! Little by little.Changing the lives of everyone in the whole world.Drawing people to him ,and out of the world.All praise ,and honour,and glory to God almighty for everything he has done for the world.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 37, Genesis 39, Genesis 40, Genesis 41, Genesis 47, Genesis 50:22,23, Exodus 1:1-7, Exodus 1:8-12. Note Exodus 1:11,20, Exodus 2:1, please note: John 8:39, biblical times lineage of Levi & Abraham very significant, therefore they would call themselves or other's by the name, many generations. Matthew 1:1, Matthew 22:42, Exodus 6:16-27, Exodus 12:40,41,

    Hope this helps.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Exodus 19 - 2 years ago
    Exodus 19:11-12, please note: Exodus 19:16-25, Exodus 20:18-21, (Expdus 23:22-24, 31-33) , Exodus 24:1-3,7, Exodus 24:9-11, Exodus 24:12-18, Exodus 32:1-7, Exodus 32:8-11,13,14,15,19,21,22, Exodus 32:35, Exodus 33:5, Exodus 33:11-23, Exodus 34:6-7, Exodus 34:30, Exodus 40:34-35, Leviticus 10:1-2,3,

    Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,

    Hebrews 13:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.
  • Gigi - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    Thanks Rick

    I kind of thought that about Reuel but was not very sure.

    Good to know that perhaps Keturah had taught her son's about God and that at least Midian passed the belief down
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    Gigi Historically yahweh or the true God was Reuel's God and to me its interesting in all of scripture how

    many spiritual events of God water was involved especially near wells because of the value of water in the

    middle east.
  • GiGi again on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    ... continued.

    The new Pharaoh made conditions far worse for the Israelites, burdening them more with work under mores severe treatment. The Israelites began to groan and cry out out God. God attended to their cries. God's timing is perfect. This was 40 years after Moses fled to Midian. God was preparing the people to truly want to leave this bondage. How often does this happen to people, God allows hardship on people so that they will hate their bondage enough to cry out to God for salvation. God knows just what needs to happen in someone's life to repentance and a point to seek God's help. Trials and tribulations are as important as blessings in accomplishing the plan of God for those His Spirit calls to redemption.

    For Moses, perhaps being in Midian 40 years was needed to get the "Egyptian" out of him.
  • GiGi again on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    .....continued

    So Moses, buried the dead Egyptian in the sand,, thinking no Egyptian had witnessed the event. However, the next day, upon observing two Hebrews fist fighting, he called out the wrongdoer. They came right back at him and said, "Who made you a prince and judge over us?" and pointed out that they knew he had killed the Egyptian. This made Moses fearful, thinking that if these knew of the killing, surely others with authority may know. And he was right. Pharaoh found out and sought to kill him. It is not known how much of a relationship Moses had with the Pharaoh. But Pharaoh probably did not have a deep love for Moses.

    Moses fled as fast as he could travel across the upper Arabian desert to the land of Midian. The Midianites were descendants of Abraham through Keturah, is wife after Sarah died. So, they were distantly related. Moses was 40 years old when he went to Midian. There he met the daughters of Reuel, a priest (don't know if he was a priest of the true God or a priest of a pagan god). The daughters were being harassed by other shepherds at the well where they were to water their sheep. Moses steps in and helps them water the flocks and resist the harassers. When the daughters go home, they tell their father what happened. When he ears, he says something like, "Well, why did you leave him there. Bring him here so we can share a meal! (Remember, he had 7 daughters, and good men were probably hard to find in them parts. So, Moses arrives and is welcomed into the household, given Zipporah to marry, and stays in the land of Midian, serving Reuel and family as a shepherd. He has a son, Gershom. Moses was probably initially unfamiliar with the Midianites and the land, as he most likely spent most of his time in Egypt. But then again, he knew how to travel through the desert country and reach Midian on the east sore of the Gulf of Aqaba.

    While in Midian, the king of Egypt died (who was wanting to kill Moses). But it is not known if Moses knew.
  • GiGi on Exodus 2 - 2 years ago
    Here we have the account of the life of Moses, covering his birth. He was to two Levite relatives Amram (father) and Jochebed (mother). Moses was born during the time that Pharaoh had ordered the midwives to kill the newborn Hebrew children. His mother was somehow able to ide her pregnancy, Moses' birth and first three months of life. Most likely these parents were devout. Perhaps, even, they had some revelation from God that Moses would be the deliverer. Who knows. But it seems they were led by God to secure safety for Moses in the way that they did.

    They made and "ark" (basket of reeds) sealed with pitch with a lid. Set Moses inside and set it safely among the reeds near where the princess bathed. Older sister, Miriam, stood guard, ready to offer mother as a nursemaid, since the princess was not a lactating mother. The princess, recognizing that he was a Hebrew (perhaps from being circumcised) had compassion on Moses when he cried and readily agreed to have him be nursed and cared for in the home of the nursemaid, his mother. How providential. Jochebed was able to continue caring for Moses until he was weaned and a young child. It must have been hard for her to give him over to the princess. Pharaoh's daughter named him, Moses. We do not know what name his birth parents had given him. Moses means 'the one who draws out' , fittingly prophetic.

    As Moses grew up as the princess' son, he was most likely schooled in all of the knowledge of the Egyptians. How much he knew about his Hebrew heritage is unknown, but he must have had some contact with his family, who would have instructed him on the history of their people and of God's "aloneness" as God. Moses had a sense of concern for his Hebrew brethren, because he was upset enough about an over the top mistreatment of Hebrew slaves that he slew the Egyptian task master. We don't hear in Scripture of him being outspoken about the slavery of the Hebrews, nor an agitator for their release.
  • Esther Singletary - 3 years ago
    I have one more Biblical oddity that I've stumbled upon. It is a classic line you hear once in a while.

    God said He is not a respecter of men.

    ( Romans 2:11)For there is no respect of persons with God.

    When God remembered his covenant, he respected the captives of the children of Israel.

    ( Exodus 2:24-25) And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. 25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

    This example makes it clear that God has respect for meaningful mortal endeavors. If you wanted to get technical, you could rationalize that while God is not a respecter of persons, he sure do love Him some whole house of Israel.
  • Esther Singletary - 3 years ago
    It wasn't just the Israelites who behaved badly, coming out of Egypt. Moses killed a Egyptian and was on the run.

    I tend to think because Moses killed in cold blood, he too was excluded from entering the Holy land. Just a gut feeling.

    ( Exodus 2:11-12)

    11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

    12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
  • Alex - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    Comments by Alex to Steven S. about the Davidic Kingdom. Steven you say that Jesse was not any part of the Davidic Kingdom when Isaiah 11 says there shall come a rod out of the stem of Jesse which was David and a branch shall come out of his roots a man of much wisdom thats Solomon . But all of this is symbolic of the branch that will come out of the Father which is Christ the son and the branch that comes out of the DAVID the son was Solomon the Granson that God allowed to build the GREAT TEMPLE Symbolic of the Kingdom of God that the H.G. builds in our hearts . God wd not allow David the son to build that great temple but only Solomon the Granson . Which implies there is gonna be an Israel OF God via the seed of the H.G. WHICH IS REGENERATION OF THE H.G. Remember Jesus said the Kingdom is gonna be with in you, This cd not happen without the seed of Christ the word of God as Jesus said the good seed is the WORD of the Kingdom . Thats what the trinity really is FATHER SON AND GRANSON Thats y God told Moses that his NAME WAS ABRAHAM ISSAC AND JACOB. Which was father son and granson . Without this Abrahamic trinity there CD NOT have been a NATION OF ISREAL. Likewise without this heavenly trinity there can not be an ISRAEL OF GOD. And thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in humanity that Christ might be multiplied as the stars of heaven i.e an Israel of God born in humanity us sinners. Don't cha see that God wd be lying if there is no TRINITY, When he said that his Name was Abraham Issac and Jacob, and Jesus saying he was the root and the offspring of DAVID ,The Root being Jesse and the offspring being Solomon the Granson . Steven God almighty swore by his very self when he made that Promise of multiplication thats y jesus is saying to whom the word came, ( remember the word is God) ,it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken. I will multiply thy seed as the Stars of Heaven thus th babes and sucklings Gods grand children, TH H.G.
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    Alex I don't think you are familiar with the term replacement theology, maybe you are mistaking it for covenant theology, Replacement theology is a term given to covenant theologist for believing the church has taken over the promises to Israel, and don't believe in a literal kingdom. some say that Israel was never given the promises they allegorise the scripture. Replacement theology is a name that they don't like to be called. but the term has nothing to do with salvation as you attempt to associate it with, There is no Replacement in God's plan of Redemption, it was the same for Adam and Eve as it is for us today. However you can't tie yourself to their theology either because they don't believe we're going to be God's as you have said, The Holyspirit is Christ grand son as you has said, by the way which makes him our nephew, you also said Jesse is a part of the Davidic kingdom desperately trying to form a type of trinity, they wouldn't agree. they use the Israel of God similar in the way you do but they say the Israel of God exists today, you say its the baby Holy Ghost witch we will give birth to in the future, now you do seem to point out some types and allegorical differences in scripture like "flesh, 1st Adam", /"Christ 2nd Adam" " flesh and the spirit " law and grace, Rebecca Hagi" Esau Jacob. Now these scriptures can be useful when you are studying ellection and the 2 natures we possess as Paul does in Romans 6,7,and 8, but you misuse these word and scripture push a belief system that dont hold the truth. not trying to affend you but your doctrine is dangerous for newly Christians.
  • Alex on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    Alex comments about the Israel of God in Christ Jesus there is no more JEW OR GENTILE simply b/c he did away with both Jew and Gentile and made of the TWAIN ONE NEW MAN which is the H.G. our new innerman which is the H.G. THE CHILD OF PROMISE, THE ISRAEL OF GOD. neither circumcision nor uncircumcision but a new creature which is the H.G that is new to us simply b/c he is BORN in us, but in that he was with God b/f the world was he is old, thus its the H.G that was preordained b/f the world WAS ,We are just a joint heir with the H.G. .Ya gotta realize that we all were BORN by the will of some man, but that Christ that has to be Born in us can only be born by the WILL OF GOD ( THE SEED OF THE SOWER ). The CHILD of promise which is the Israel of God . When the scrip. says he took of the twain ( jew and gentile ) and made one newman which is the H.G. our new innerman , that new creature, thats Replacement Theology . I don't use the numbering system hardly at all simply b/c Jesus nor the disciples used any kind of numbering system. we lift up our tool on the bible when we use the numbering system defiling it. Mans carnal mind is his tool . Remember uzza lifted up his hand on the ark when the ozzen stumbled and God slew him there. Vain is the help of man.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    Hi Gary indeed lucifer was In the beginning Gods right hand angel 2nd in command whats really cool is that Jesus CHrist our Lord and saviour now sits at the right hand of Gods throne, tells you the wisdom power and dominion of Almighty God.Also he makes intercession for us 24/7 in a perfect incorruptable body he never sleeps!
  • Gary Lee - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    I don't know so much if Lucifer was directly below God but he was the most beautiful and anointed. Maybe he was 2nd in charge but I doubt it. I'll let you know when I find out.
  • M - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 3 years ago
    God is the One who created everything. The devil was the highest ranking angel, directly below God, until he chose to rebel. God created him, and they are not at all equal in power.
  • BSP on Exodus 2 - 4 years ago
    Verse 12:Moses wanted to help his people but he went about it the wrong way. We must do things God's way if we truly want to be successful.
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Exodus 2 - 4 years ago
    Thanks.
  • Cmp on Exodus 2 - 4 years ago
    Stanjett - When you read farther Exodus 6:20 tells us "And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses".


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