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Bridget, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You quoted thatwe must keep Exodus 20:10

Do you keep:

Leviticus 25:4

Leviticus 23:11

Leviticus 23:15

Leviticus 23:16

Leviticus 23:24

Leviticus 23:32

Leviticus 23:39

Exodus 35:3

Leviticus 16:29-32

Numbers 28:10

Exodus 31:14

Numbers 28:9

These are ALL SABBATHS

Hi Jerry.

Exodus 31:13-14, 16-17 (KJV) Speak thou also unto the. "CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, "saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among " HIS PEOPLE".

Wherefore the ""CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.""shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout ""THEIR""generations, for a perpetual covenant.

""IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL""

for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Do you noticed he never gave that commandment to the rest of the world?

Now look what Paul says concerning those same sabbaths:

Colossians 2:14-17 (KJV) BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:

""WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME;"" but the body is of Christ.

It's interesting to view the daily earthquakes around the world, in light of Matthew chapter 24.

The frequency and intensity of them are predicted by Jesus. There are volcano maps on another website. You can actually see Texas sized icebergs breaking free from Antarctica. Great is technology so we can see THE END OF ALL THINGS is really approaching.

Can all the Presidents of the world solve rising ocean temperatures REALLY?? It's your tax dollars that will fund their lunacy. If the Bible says it's going to happen...thus Saith the Lord God! Amen.

2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the ELEMENTS shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Malachi 4:1

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day THAT COMETH shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Nahum 1:5

The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Habakkuk 3

5 Before him went the (pandemics)pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.

6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.

Prophesy will be fulfilled. Global Warming is a TOOL of Satan to UNITE the nations, to bring forth One World Money System; One World Government; a One World Religion Of Global Warming, UNITES in belief that they can defy what the One And Only God has said, would happen on this earth. THEN THE ANTICHRIST.

Pay attention to this! The news media is in on this secrecy. Do your own digging into money institutions i.e. Forbes, Bitcoin and other similars.

Decide now to go with Jesus.

He modeled baptism as something all believers need to do as a step in their faith walk.

Jesse Smith,

In Matthew Chapter 3, right before John baptized Jesus, Jesus said in Matthew 3:15, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

So Jesus answered and said to John, allow it to be for now, for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered or allowed him. Notice it says becomes "us" to fulfill all righteousness. It is the fulfillment of Exodus 29:4, to fulfill all righteousness! And there are three things that are very interesting about Jesus' coming.

At 30 years of age, that is the age of the priesthood according to Numbers 4:30. The priest had to go through a MIKVEH, a baptism. They had to be baptized from head to toe. The washing or the MIKVEH of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:4.

But, Moses was supposed to do the baptizing! That is interesting because here is John the baptizer standing there and Jesus says this is for "us" to fulfill all righteousness. And so John is stepping in the place of Moses and baptizing Jesus for the priesthood. The anointing of the priesthood is found in Exodus 29:7. They were anointed with oil.

So Jesus was 30 years of age. And in order for Him to officially, according to the law, enter into His priesthood according to the Jews, He would have to be baptized.

why did Jesus have to be baptised??

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Hello Rodney. I see that this matter is much on your heart & with anything that requires serious consideration, I find that if we have the basic understanding of it, then we can confidently proceed from there. But if we have disagreement at that 'basic' level, then whatever proceeds from there, will amplify our objections & take us to further divergent thoughts & conclusions. So, with the Sabbath Day, it's only proper to understand what is given to us in the Word & what God requires of us by His Command. Therefore, I will state what I believe on that subject & you can take issue with me in point form, so that the matter might be properly addressed. And by the way, I'm here on this Site just as you & others are, to share, discuss & learn more from God's Word. May the Lord help us & give us His Wisdom.

a. Genesis 2:2,3. On the seventh day, God rested from His Work & blessed that day & sanctified it. Was God exhausted & worn out from that demanding work of creation? The use of the word, Shabath, indicates that it was simply a cessation of work. And in the Genesis account, I'm not trying to decipher whether the days of creation were literal 24 hour days, or days denoting extended periods of time. The point was that for six 'creation' days God involved Himself in work & on the seventh He desisted from such work which doesn't imply any physical weariness.

b. Exodus 20:8-11. The first direct instruction given to the children of Israel concerning this day of rest, Shabath. The keeping of this day holy (set apart) as with the rite of circumcision, marked out this people as belonging to the Lord, that which no other nation was given or observed. All humans & animals in the company of God's people had to desist from any form of work or else punishment by death followed ( Exodus 31:12-17). This command (or, any other commands) & any requirement to observe them, were not given to any other people except to Israel.

My understanding: the Sabbath was created as a day of rest for Israel ( Exodus 31:12-17), just as the Lord rested from His creative Work. This fourth commandment was blessed by God & sanctified (made holy) long before He gave it as a direct commandment to the children of Israel. It was a day of complete rest (cessation from the activity that occupied the other six days) & a day devoted to God. The other important sign given to Israel to set them apart from all other nations, was the act of circumcision. Both were for Israel only.

From the time of Israel's exodus out of Egypt, they learned which day was the actual Sabbath: Exodus 16:25-27, when they found no manna on the ground on that day. Ever since then, the count was on: 6 days work - 1 day rest, right up to the time of Jesus when He observed the same Sabbath, indeed He did 'work' in it, saying that the Sabbath was created for man & not the other way around.

So the Sabbath was a specific day of rest for the Jews. And it could fall on that day as well, or any other day, for non-Jews. The important point was that man took the day off to cease from his labours for both physical & spiritual recuperation. Where this observance becomes a problem for Christians, is the compulsion by some that we too are bound to a Jewish Saturday Sabbath, & by extension, full obedience to the Law, which none could keep. This Law was not a sign to Christians but to the Jew who was under the Law. Hear what Paul says pertaining to the Law & the Christian: Romans 3:19-22; Galatians 3:21-25; Galatians 4:21-26; Galatians 5:16-18.

If the Christian then sets aside Sunday, the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10) as a day of rest & worship, he fulfils the need for both. If he chooses any other day as a rest day, does it matter to the Lord? Colossians 2:16,17. If one believes that the keeping of the Sabbath does matter to the Lord, then he shows a misunderstanding of the Law engraven in stones & the Law of the Life-giving Spirit ( Romans 8:2).

Concerning Matthew 10:22 -

How sad it is that all those who chose to post under this daily verse, have totally ignored the complete verse. Why would it be that we only pick and chose from the Word of God, dismissing what we will.

The verse of the day - "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

Matthew 10:22

I pray that we all will accept Exodus 31:3 - "And I filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship". The Holy Spirit is "the beginning of understanding"; therefore if one ever hears the phrase "we will understand it by and by", let us turn quickly and run the other way. How sad to hear.

Praise God, Thank You Jesus.

This is too large a subject to properly deal with here, but basically, when God rested on the seventh day from His Work of Creation ( Genesis 2:2,3), it was done from counting off six days: in other words, since no days of the week are seen here, therefore no one can determine which days was the day of rest. Then when He commanded this Day of Rest (Sabbath) in Exodus 20:10 for his people Israel to observe, again, there wasn't a stipulation of it being a particular day. The institution of the Sabbath was a sign of sanctification (or, separation) of Israel to God, elected by God out of a world all around them that was given to idolatry & wickedness. ( Exodus 31:13,14).

In Exodus chapter 16, we read of God's provision of food to Israel after they left Egypt, by supplying them with quails & manna each day. They had to collect their food every day for six days but on the sixth day, they had to collect the manna for an extra day, as it was their day of rest (Sabbath). If they forgot to do this, they would have to fast.

From then on, Israel had maintained this day count: working (or, collecting food) for six days & resting on the seventh. The Jewish Sabbaths, Festivals, etc. are now calculated on a Lunar Calendar (based on the Moon cycles/phases) as opposed to our Solar Calendar (based on the Sun). As both Calendars are not strictly accurate (if reckoning the exact days), they have to include extra days or in the case of Judaism, adjust their festival dates to suit. But the Sabbath has to be strictly maintained as the seventh day of rest from their labours.

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This has been a very brief explanation as there's much that could be said, but I hope that the message from God to us is clear to you & please feel free if you require further information. And yes, the Church does not practise animal sacrifice today & never will, because God provided His Own Sacrifice that fully met His demands & penalty that was against us. This was a once only Sacrifice & for all who come to Him by faith in Jesus.

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The blood of the animal was spilt & applied for man's sake, but the flesh of the animal was later consumed by those officiating in the Tabernacle as food. So by doing this, were the people forgiven & free from their sin against God? No - the sacrifices only temporarily covered their sin & hid God's Anger, as long as the people repented for their sins & sacrifice was being made. But this system could not go on forever as God had planned that a once-only permanent sacrifice would be made that would be acceptable to Him. Why couldn't God do this in the first place? Well, His people, Israel, had to first learn what sin was & how reprehensible sin was to a Holy God. The Laws that they couldn't fully obey were to show them their sinfulness & utter reliance upon God Who could still forgive them through sacrifice.

But the time had come for God's Own Sacrifice to come to Earth to be the only acceptable & permanent Sacrifice. And this Sacrifice would completely do away with those temporary animal sacrifices. So God provided His Son, called Jesus Christ, to give His Life for mankind's sins (both for the Jew & the Gentile): John 3:16. Jesus' death on the Cross provided the way for mankind to come back to God - not by sacrifice or any self-effort, but only by believing in Jesus' death & resurrection from the grave & by putting his faith in God to accomplish it on his behalf. So again, a blood sacrifice was required as it showed "a life being given for another life". What we couldn't do because we're filthy sinners, Jesus Christ the spotless Lamb from God was able to do for us & God accepted it by raising Jesus from the dead. So all who put their faith in Jesus are 'justified' by God: i.e. declared no longer guilty & made righteous before Him.

Daniel, even though this act of killing animals for sacrifices sounds horrible & detestable, it was something that was required by God for His people, Israel. To explain this further:

Ever since mankind was put on the Earth & they chose to do wrong & disobey God, their Creator, they were under the sentence of death; death was both a physical & spiritual death. See Genesis chapter 3 for the account of Adam & Eve & also Ezekiel 18:4: "the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Just as we have to pay the penalty for our wrongs before civil courts, so to the Just God requires that we pay the penalty for our lives of sin & disobedience to Him.

But if God fulfilled His demands, none of us would be alive for long & we would be consigned to Hell for our sins. But this God of Justice is also a God of Love (just as a good parent meets out both love & discipline to the child), & God wanted to give mankind another way to be forgiven & acceptable to Him. So when God had called out a people especially to separate them from the world that was given over to idolatry & wickedness & to put His Name on them, He picked a people out of captivity in Egypt to be His very Own: blessed by Him, God dwelling with them, guiding them & protecting them. But they were still human & still did wrong before God. So God gave them His Laws to abide by & also a sacrificial system whereby whenever they sinned & broke His Laws, a system was in place that would temporarily cover those sins thereby averting God's Anger & Judgement against them. And this involved the sacrifice of various types of animals.

Why the death of animals? Hebrews 9:22 says "without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sins)". It had to be blood for blood. Rather than the sinner losing his life for his sin, God in love required that a pure, spotless animal would be sacrificed in the sinner's stead. When this was done by the High Priest, God accepted it as a substitutionary payment on behalf of man.

EXODUS 29, What dose the killing of Animals have to do with God. This makes no sense to do this horrible act. I have never heard of any such act committed in the name God within my lifetime. Why are they not doing this today in churches, if this chapter demands it must be done!

The Church is not commanded to keep the Sabbath. The command is specific to the LORD's covenant with Israel:

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. ( Exodus 31:16)

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. ( Deuteronomy 5:15)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ( Colossians 2:16-17)

I find it intriguing to consider his writing finger relative to the following passages:

Exodus 8:19 - Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 31:18 - And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Psalm 8:3 - When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Daniel 5:5 - In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

Luke 11:20 - But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

I had struggled with this one Commandment for several years and have studied into this subject deeply. Ann is correct in referring to Sunday worship as being pagan. I have listened also to many Scholars / Professors debating this subject and it is believed that Satan will trap the majority of people into 'wondering after the beast' (which is symbolic in that we will all follow and give praise to Satan rather than Jesus Christ, by worshiping on the Sunday, and we will not realize what is happening until it is too late. The 7th day Sabbath is Saturday which was sanctified Holy by God. This is the true 4th Commandment and the only Commandment that is emphasized with the word REMEMBER to keep my Sabbath Holy - no other days in the 10 Commandments except Saturday, were sanctified as Holy, and it does not matter that the calendar may have changed over the years, it is the fact that Saturday is important. Also it is important to remember that if one Conmandments is broken, it is like breaking all Commandments. Also God refers to the 'children of Israel' as all brethren who have 'overcome' and been baptized into, and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. Hope this helps.

Thank you for your comments, "Seventh day is sabbath". I always maintain that if the foundation is not settled, then anything built thereon will be shaky. So, referring to your first comment: "The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt."

It seems that your understanding of those Scriptures in Genesis & Mark applied not only to Israel but to all mankind, or more specifically to the 'other sheep' that were to come into Christ's fold. To this I disagree, for the following reasons:

a. Exodus 31:13-17 & Ezek 20:12. Clear references as to who should keep the Sabbath & that it was given as not only a day of ceasing from all labours, but as importantly, a sign of the relationship between God & Israel. It was never intended to include Gentiles or the Church in such a requirement.

b. Galatians 3:19. Shows that both the validity & finality of the Law (the whole Law) was fully realized at the death of Jesus Christ.

c. Matthew 5:17. Jesus demonstrated that He alone could fulfil the whole requirements of the Law & none else. The Law was given because of "transgressions" but none could obey it fully to please God & satisfy its demands, since "if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law" ( Gal 3:21). So no Law could bring righteousness, even as a certain ruler learned ( Lk 18:18-24). If he believed he obeyed all of God's Law, how did Jesus pick him up on that point of selling all & following him? That man just had a quick lesson to find out that he in fact didn't obey it perfectly: he broke the very first commandment by placing his wealth, & maybe family & other assets, before his love for God.

How then can we rest on the Law for anything except to know God's Mind & Purposes?

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Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law ( Gal. 3:13 NASB).

The apostle Paul said the Law was added only until Christ comes:

Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressionsuntil the seed should come to whom the promise had been made ( Gal. 3:19 NASB).

Paul goes on to say the Law was our "tutor to lead us to Christ"; now that we are justified in Christ, we are no longer under the Law:

But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor ( Gal. 3:23-25 NASB).

While the moral principles expressed in the Ten Commandments are reaffirmed in the New Testament, the command to observe the Sabbath is the only commandment not repeated. There is no New Testament command for believers to set aside the Sabbath as a day of worship. Exodus 31:13 says the Sabbath was a "sign between God and Israel," not God and the church.

The first Christians were, of course, Jews, and when Gentiles began to enter the church, some Jewish Christians (Judaizers) tried to force new Gentile believers to follow the Law and observe the Sabbath (among other things). It became such a problem that Paul warned that no believer was to judge another believer with regard to the Sabbath:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ ( Col. 2:16-17 NASB).

A shadow is only an image cast by an object which represents its form. Paul said the Sabbath was a "mere shadow" that pointed to Christ. Once a person finds Christ, he or she no longer needs to follow the shadow.

I hope this helps, God bless you.

Mark 2:27,28, Luke 4:16, Matt. 12:8, Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:15-17, Exodus 35:2. From these texts The day of the Lord and the Lord day is the same. Even Jesus custom was to go into the synagogue on the Sabbath. As Christians we are to follow Christ example, obey His commandments.

Exodus 20:8 , Exodus 31:14-16 , Isaiah 56:2 , Isaiah 58:13 , Mathew 12:1-12 , Mark 2:27 , Luke 6:9 , Luke 13:10-16 ,

Mathew 12:8
Mark 2:28
Luke 6:5

The Lords day is Sunday. Most Christens worship on Sunday because that is the day Jesus rose from the dead. The Sabbath is Saturday. Most Jews worship on this day because they are still waiting on Christ which have already come but they rejected him.

the Sabbath was a Jewish Covenant, between God and the Children of Israel. It's a ''Perpetual Covenant '' Between them. KJV. EX.31:15-16

Ask God for understanding of the scriptures, he will give it to you, if you will humble yourselves to him, and ask him. Exodus 31:3 - Exodus 35:31 - Job 32:8. Amen!

Chuck: The Blood of Christ is for all who seek Him. We can't condemn someone. Those in Christ show love and compassion they help guide and teach to bring others into the kingdom(Not like what others post). Fruit of The Spirit: Galatians 5:22/Called: John 6:44/Forgiving: 1John 1:9/Washed Revelation1:5/ you will be Baptized with The Holy Ghost: Matthew 3:11/ Made new: 2Corinthians 5:17. You will know!

"It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." The LORD puts a difference between His people and the rest of the world; and the holy things which are for signs between Him and His people are not for any stranger to meddle in. As we let our light shine before all, yet we are hidden.

Chuck; Is that how you think the Lord deals with you? Why then do you cut to pieces a brother and sister? The Sword of the Spirit has two edges; and is given for spiritual battle against principalities and powers of the rulers of the darkness of this age. Too many NEW Believers inexperienced, proud and unloving, in zeal without knowledge,

" I have called by name Bezaleel...I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, to devise cunning works...and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;" All wisdom, understanding and skill comes from God's Spirit that He puts in us! See John 1:3-4

the sabbath cannot redeem you from hell or jesus blood
you are a lost legalist religionist who have a woks salvation
this is scripture to back up what i am saying.
colossians 2-16 let no man judge you in meat or in drink
or in respect of an holy day,or a new moon,or of the
sabbath. revelation 1-10 john was in the spirit on the
lords day does not say sabbath, the early church
broke bread 1st day.

@Irene123 Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
The definition of "perpetual" Never ceasing; continuing forever in future time; destined to be eternal; as a perpetual covenant; a perpetual statute. Nowhere in the Word does the Holy Ghost replace His own commandments.