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Please God hear this prayer request by Yhamile and myself over her marriage. I pray her husband have spiritual clarity and has personal relationship with you. You know the root cause of their martial problem. Please help both of them to focus on You Lord Jesus Christ that Your peace and love guide them to persevere through this. I pray the inferences by the devil be broken and Your Light will shine on both of them that they be a testimony for you I pray in Jesus Christ name.

Please reflect on Psalms 51, James 1:2-4, Exodus 33:14 and Romans 8:38-39.

When Christ described the Holy Spirit it was said to do remind us of 3 things; sin; righteousness and JUDGMENT. ( John 16:8-11). When we look to the meek such as Moses and the humble such as David; we observe a man who spoke with God "face to face" ( Exodus 33:11). David was a man "after God's own heart"( 1 Sam. 13:14; etal). Moses made the mistake of trying to enact justice himself when he killed the man who was beating a fellow Israelite; and had to wait another 40 years to be used by God for the purposes intended in His plan from the beginning to deliver His people from bondage. David mourned Saul's death of "God's anointed" ( 1 Chron. 16:22). Despite this; he had many "impreccatory" prayers in Psalms indicating his hatred for evil; and asking for judgment to take place on the wicked.

In these passages; we see the principles also in the New Testament; that the "meek shall inherit the earth." ( Matthew 5:5). We must remember that God also promises that according to Malachi 4:3 His people will "tread down the ashes of the wicked." His saints also will rule with a rod of iron according to Rev. 2:26-27; and other verses in Psalms (which I can't find at present).

There is a risk of going to either extreme as will all other scriptures; where we become either too "lovey dovey" in approaching God and only quoting verses that sound nice; or of course always preaching about judgment. The truth is; God is both a God of vengeance and a God of mercy and grace. Yes; He will tread the winepress alone ( Isaiah 63:3); but there are special places of authority for His children in the Kingdom of God "ruling over cities" for instance in Luke 19. David himself apparently will co-reign on earth with Christ someday and us as kings and priests ( Jeremiah 30:9; Rev. 1:6 and others). Then; our real enemy; Satan will be confined; and eventually death itself will be abolished according to 1 Corinthians 15:55 and also mentioned in Hosea.

Search the scriptures. Agape.. Rich P.

In my opinion its because Jesus was temporarily put into the limited form of a man, so in that state it wasn't exactly the same as looking at God in the spirit form with all God's glory and power. This happened before, actually, when Jacob wrestled with a figure God took a physical form and wrestled with Jacob: Genesis 32:30. I think if people looked directly at God in spiritual form they would normally die, because its too intense to handle. Exodus 33:20. Moses saw the back of God as He passed, but again, wasn't the same as a full on experience. Ex. 33:19-23

Dear "Somefair" you have right the pure of heart shall see God. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

(Here we are reminded of God's Holiness again).

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Think what Jesus has done for us? Jesus loves us all, and i love u all in Christ.

Genesis 19:9And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

(We should always think about what is best for our neighbor).

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Amen

1 Corintihans 15

2 Samuel 6:7 also records this event with Uzza. It is a natural reaction; to steady something about to fall and perhaps he should have known better. There were rules as to how to carry the Ark in Numbers 4; and other places on who was allowed to. In 1 Samuel 6:19 people also were slain for LOOKING into the Ark.

This is basically the same principle involved for those who would be in the inner Temple. Since this appears to be an unintentional sin; it is not at the same level of transgression as those who tried to enter that weren't supposed to be in there; let alone those that had "strange fire" ( Leviticus 10:1-11). The result may be the same; as to ending this earthly life; but the eternal results for those who are saved or unsaved surely wouldn't. Moses; in fact himself was warned by God that he wouldn't live if he viewed Him fully; as no man can see God (in the flesh) and live ( Exodus 33:20). It is this Holiness in God which we should strive for; now that in some sense He lives in us as a Temple or Tabernacle. ( 1 Cor. 6:19). This verse shows; in fact how for self careless living can lead to physical death ( 1 Cor. 11:27 and following verses); and could allude to those who martyr God's saints as well ( Psalm 116:15). See also Rev. 17:6; Rev. 6:9:11.

It truly is a profound thing for the eternal God to tabernacle with men. It is based on His grace; and His covenants in which ultimately in the New Covenant involved our redemption through His Son. ( Heb. 8:13; 9:15). This is; BTW the only way any old covenant is ended-God's covenants are eternal; and our vows for our lifetime and that of the other parties represented as to what was promised. God is ever faithful; even when we are not. ( Deut. 7:9) for context.

Please read: Numbers 14:18, Numbers 14:19, Deuteronomy 7:9, 2Peter 3:9,



Numbers 20:7-12, is a portion of the whole story & reason.

Let's look at the bigger picture:

Numbers 20:12, please note it says "Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore._._" , Please read Exodus, Moses' doubts: Exodus 3:11,13, Exodus 4:1,3,10,14, Exodus 4:24-26, Exodus 5:22, Exodus 6:12, Exodus 6:30, Exodus 14:11-15, Exodus 16:2-28, Exodus 17:2-7, Exodus 32:11-19,30,31,32,33, Exodus 33:1-3, Numbers 11:1-15, mercy ( Numbers 11:16-20,) Numbers 11:21-23, * Numbers 13, Numbers 13:30,31,32, * Numbers 14, very significant I believe, when they were supposed to take the promised land please read Numbers chapters 13 & 14, & notice: Numbers 13:30, Numbers 14:24, Numbers 14:22-23,

Psalms 95:6-11, note Psalms 95:10-11,

Hebrews 3:5-19, Luke 13:24, Mark 10:15,

Hopefully this is helpful

Tabernacle also as per Old Testament: Exodus 25:8,9, Exodus 26, there is much detail in the Tabernacle GOD had Moses build in several more chapters following Exodus 25, 26, 27, 30

Exodus 30:36, Exodus 33:7, Ezekiel 37:27,

2Corinthians 5:1,4, Hebrews 8:1-13, - Hebrews 9:1-28,

Interesting it also has been referred to as temporary, moveable, place of worship & to meet GOD.

Hopefully this is also helpful

I have a rule myself to let the HOLY Spirit teach us as we read. 1 John 2:27, John 14:26,

Sometimes we have to work at "unlearning" what someone tells us the Bible says. GOD's WORD is a "living Word" it teaches, corrects, edifies._.. 2 Timothy 3:16, & gives us wisdom. James 1:5,

Genesis 34, is the account. Notice : Genesis 34:2, they were Hivite

Exodus 23:28, Exodus 34:11, Exodus 33:2, Genesis 10:15-19, Joshua 9,



Hopefully this is all helpful.

Thank you "GiGi" for pointing out her approximate age through scriptural knowledge. Genesis 30:19-31, Genesis 31:38-41,

Genesis 33:13-17, it says after they met Esau, they built a house & booths for cattle it doesn't say exactly how long they were there. It appears they may have left when Joseph was about 6 yrs. old because Genesis 31:41, But it was before Joseph was 17, Dinah seems to be older sister, they then pitched a tent._ Genesis 33:18-20 The only accounts of age we're given is Joseph was born & Genesis 30:25, Genesis 37:1-2, yet Joseph went to find his brethren in (Shechem) so was this timing, a historical account putting both situations about the same time? Genesis 37:11-14, because later Israel/Jacob tells Joseph about his mother's death & burial, that happened on Journey Genesis 35:1, Genesis 35:15-20, Genesis 35:27-29, Genesis 48:1-7, Genesis 45:25, Genesis 46:6,

David,

Chris gave you an excellent reply.

LORD (YHVH) has a face, but humans cannot look on it and live, Moses saw his back parts Exodus 33:20-23. If we accept Jesus as our Lord and savior and are sealed with the Holy Spirit, when all is new, we will see our LORDs face. Revelation 21:1-7 Revelation 22:4. We will see God and Jesus both, because they will be the temple, Revelation 21:22

God bless,

RLW

Exodus 19:11-12, please note: Exodus 19:16-25, Exodus 20:18-21, (Expdus 23:22-24, 31-33) , Exodus 24:1-3,7, Exodus 24:9-11, Exodus 24:12-18, Exodus 32:1-7, Exodus 32:8-11,13,14,15,19,21,22, Exodus 32:35, Exodus 33:5, Exodus 33:11-23, Exodus 34:6-7, Exodus 34:30, Exodus 40:34-35, Leviticus 10:1-2,3,

Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,

Hebrews 13:17,

Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.

Thank you David. May I refer you to a few OT & NT Scriptures: Exodus 33:7; Proverbs 1:20; Ezekiel 41:17. And Matthew 12:46,47; Matthew 26:69; Hebrews 13:13. These show the intended meaning of 'without' as seen & understood in Genesis 9:22.

But if you still believe that Genesis 9:22 is incomplete, I would be very interested, like Adam, to know where you learned this & the relevant references so we can research this as you have done. In anticipation I remain.

Thank you, S Spencer,

Brother, on part one, this is something I will have to study more, I agree with what you are saying but it seems empty, if you know what I mean. Because the first Adam, before he sinned is unlike any mortal man since he sinned, his body was not born in corruption like ours, sin was not in him. We know man cannot see Gods face and live, Exodus 33:20-23, until the new heaven and new earth, Revelation 22:3-4 in our glorified bodies.

Going by Exodus no man can see God's face, so is that after sin or does that include the first Adam? If so, how did God communicate with Adam? He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus that dwells in us like you said by the blood of Christ shed on the cross. We see that even after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain was the first to be driven from the presence of God, Genesis 4:13-16.

Are the cherubim and flaming swords a shadow of the ark where God sits between the cherubim? Is that why they were in the presence of God?

I feel the first Adam and the last Adam Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:4. However God communed with the first Adam he was part of this plan that Satan could not see, up to the crucifying of the last Adam, the only begotten Son, Satan was blind to this because he did not try to stop it. Like what He tried to do with Job he thought he could get Job to curse God to His face, which he also failed.

The questions here is more for me to study not to you.

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The mark of the beast.

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The lord is my savior amen. Christ lord bless lord Christ Christ glory lord Christ lord lord Christ glory Christ amen.

In romans 11:4 new testament and 1kings 19:18 old testament.you think so that those 7000 israelites has connection to each other and they congregated in small or large group to worship almighty god? or they dont know each other (as israel is made up of 12 tribes with a millon population ) and they are not congregated in small or large group to worship almighty god because during that time,the wicked queen jezebel persecutes those who did not worship her god baal ? So,how those 7000 worship almighty god who separated them from the followers of baal in the land of israel ? In every generation of humankind,almighty god shows mercy to whoever he found favor and separates them to make them his people( romans 9:15-18) Abraham is the one in his generation and pass it to Isaac,then to Jacob and to his 12 sons and to their children to be a nation that different from other nation because it is owned by almighty god( exodus 33:16) in the midst of nations around the world that is owned by the adversary of almighty god. There are generations in Israel (as almighty god's nation) has been infiltrated by the adversary of almighty god,so from that generation he preserves and separated 7000 to remain as his followers as what happened during king ahab reign . Almighty god really choose somebody in every generation to be his followers in almost 57 generations from lord jesus up to the present.Many are saying that they are the choosen ones,organizes groups as religious organizations and converts people around the world to be their followers in the name of lord jesus. But it is true that they are the choosen ones? Who really are the choosen in this world but not part of this world? Maybe you will agree that they have no mark of the beast.Many claims they have no mark of the beast but this time of global pandemic rushes into vaccination sites.

" Little children,ye are on this world but not of this world." Who are they? Those who refused to received the mark of the beast.( revelation 13:17).,They are unique..in almighty god's side.( exodus 33:16, john 15:19, john 17:14-16.)If someone says that he/she is one among them but a disciple of any religious,political,or commercial organization which he/she devotes his/her time,strenght,talent and money for the benefits and interest of his/her organization,how come he/she is no part of this world? Religious (church)Political( nation),and Commercial(cartel) are the 3 systems that forcibly introduced or marked in heart and mind of the majority of people around the world and only those who are no part of this world refuses to be a disciple of any religious,political or commercial organization that patronizes(buy)and campaigning to patronizes(sell) ,traditions,customs,occassions laws,wars,economy,arts,science and technology and at this our time of global pandemic,only those who are no part of this world refuses to go into covid 19 vaccination sites.( 2 chronicles 16:12) i wish you are one of them.(romans11:4)

Love

God is good all the time.......God is good

Hello Tony. I remember your question coming up a few weeks ago, so it remains fresh in my mind.

We know from Exodus 33:18-23, when Moses desired to see God's Glory, the LORD gave him clear instructions as to what would happen; i.e. His Glory (His Goodness) would pass by Moses but his eyes would be shielded from seeing God's Face, "for shall no man see me, and live" (v20).

So, if this is such a clear Truth that was given to Moses, & then we read "And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." (v11), how should we understand it? It seems correct to understand this ("face to face") as a metaphor to describe the closeness that Moses shared with the Almighty, as when a friend shares intimately with his friend. With that in mind, we can almost hear the words & tone of voice that Moses used to speak to God in verses 12-18: one of a special friendship, having liberty to speak from the heart. Just as we today might speak to God from our heart as submissive loving children to our Wise & altogether loving merciful Heavenly Father.

We have many other metaphors used in the Bible: e.g. 1 Thessalonians 2:7 describe Paul's special love for the believers there as a nursing mother feeds, cares & protects her children. Or, Matthew 3:16, showing the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus. Even though some Churches depict the Spirit as a dove (which is heresy: Deuteronomy 4:15-19), we see the Spirit's descent was observed in a special revelation to John, like the slow graceful descending of a dove - no bird involved here at all. So Moses speaking to God 'face to face' is given in similar fashion - a picture of intimacy yet Moses being shielded & withheld from instant death.

He was speaking to God as we would to a friend, Exodus 20 explains that it is impossible to see God's face and live.

the rest of chapter 33 explains what happened in detail.

Exodus 33:9 "And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the LORD talked with Moses."

Exodus 33:11 "And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle."

Exodus 33:18-23 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

What does that interpret? Did Moses actually saw god, the whole face?

Hello Marie. These verses can be confusing as we are not given a lot to work with to get a full understanding. We can see that in verse 11 ("the LORD spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend"), that Moses is describing the close presence of the LORD in the Tabernacle as opposed to God's Words coming to him from a distance (i.e. from Heaven) or as how the prophets received God's messages for the people. And this 'closeness' is representative of a friend speaking to a friend intimately, which requires both close proximity & maybe a hushed conversation.

And then we read something of their conversation (vv 12-17) before Moses, in that intimate meeting, then begs: "shew me thy glory." To which the LORD replies that He will make all His Goodness (also referred to as His Glory v22) pass by him. It appears that Moses has been transported away from the Tabernacle, into a rock's cleft, so that God's Glory may pass by him, revealing His Glory in Spirit, yet Moses being prevented from seeing the Face of God. We are not told why seeing God's "back parts" & not God's Face is so different that can warrant Moses' demise - but that's what it is.

Verse 11 says: And the LORD spake unto Moses, face to face, but in verse 20: it says "Thou can not see my face, for there shall no man see me, and live. I'm confused between these two verses. Can someone please explain what the different? Thank you and God bless you.

Hello Mary,

As I would like to give you my aspect of this unforgivable sin. There are many that believe "once saved always saved" which is not in the Bible but a made up interpretation of picking verses. There is Scripture to prove that someone can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and lose that gift. Hebrews 6:4-6, Hebrews 10:26-29, 1 Timothy 4:1 etc. Now I would only have to see one verse like that for it to touch my heart and know this is not a game. And there are more.

This to me does not mean one cannot fall away and then not return to the Lord as there have been instances like this. His mercy, forgiveness, and longsuffering is endless. He will have mercy and forgiveness to whom He want's Exodus 33:19. As He knows who it will help to prosper and those it will not help and be a waste for Him. As some who were once saved now curse God and the Lord etc. It is all up to God, as he reads hearts, and knows who shall endure till the end and who shall be saved. As He knows the end before the beginning.

As this, detail, also just came to me today as I was outside. Now I see why. Some may say "why would God give His Holy Spirit to someone when knows they will not make it". What came to me was that this is a way to justify us, His chosen people, His children, to show that He did not just give His Holy Spirit to His children. But to all types of people. Of coarse God does not need to do anything to answer questions of men. He is Almighty and does what He pleases. This will make those who fell away inexcusable even on their own terms. As He is fair and just.

I hope that helps and this is from me what I have come to learn. Letting the Holy Ghost guide and teach me.

All thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in heaven.

God Bless.

First I will post about someone saying "God doesn't have hands". We all Know God is Spirit. For someone to say He doesn't have hands is absurd. God can have, and be, anything He wants. Here is some Scriptures to consider for the one who stated this:

In Genesis 3:8 the Lord was "walking" in the garden of Eden. In Exodus 33:20 He said no man shall see my "face" and live. Exudus 33:23 speaks of His "hand" and "back parts". The vision of Daniel 7:9 seeing the Ancient of Days(God) "sitting" on His throne wearing a "garment" and having "hair". Many other details in Revelation of one who "sat" upon the throne.

Did God not make us in His image?

Just because we in this physical body cannot see the spirit realm, unless God chooses to send someone a revelation or vision etc, does not mean it is not there.

God Bless.

Dear Tom,

One other aspect I have been led to reply to is about how you stated "once anointed one cannot sin". As I can only perceive what you mean is to have received the Holy Ghost after giving our life to the Lord? Unless this is from a higher level in which God knows exactly who are His from before we took our first breath in this earth. How He knows the end before the beginning which is truth.

Now I know some believe in "once saved always saved". Which is nice to think but there is Scripture to contradict with this thought. Like Hebrews 10:26-31, ( 2 Peter 10:20-22. Jesus stating in Matthew 7:21-23. Also in Matthew 24:10-12 that there shall be a falling away and it is "he that shall endure until the end, the same shall be saved".

As we are all just vessels it is Gods choice alone who is to be saved. As in Romans 9:19-24, ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21. Even when God spake to Moses in Exodus 33:19. It is all His will which is Holy and pure.

Though as stated in the couple verses I have posted it seems that people can lose their salvation. As I would believe there are people who have fallen away and maybe hate God and Jesus Christ now. Also knowing of a couple that have fallen away but come back to the Lord. Which I believe shall be forgiven. As it is His will and all things are possible with God.

The Torah is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, the first five books of The Bible written by Moses by inspiration of The Holy Spirit.

Have you NOT read the Torah? I probably have read Leviticus the least. I'm currently in a Bible study on Genesis. But I've read through these books many times over the years.

Many significant things to me: a very few of them are...

Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6

Moses intercedes for his people Exodus 33:12-23 "My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest."

Sevenfold curses for Israel's rebellion Leviticus 26

Moses strikes the rock twice. Oops! Numbers 20:10-13

How can we know if a prophet speaks from God Deuteronomy 18:15-22

You're correct, that "no man can see God's Face & live". And so here in Exodus 24, I don't believe the people saw God's Face, only that which God chose to reveal to them. You can have a look at Ezekiel 1;26-28 to read of Ezekiel's vision of God, that he too was limited to what he saw 'of God' but certainly, what was shown to him was so glorious & powerful, that he could only "fall upon his face" (in awe & in dread of being instantly consumed) - such was his sight. And so too, was Moses spared, when God, in Mercy, covered Moses' face as God's Glory passed by him.

Gods word says no man has ever seen God for God is spirit that being stated biblically there are places in Gods word where there are manifestations of His Glory and power, children of Israel pillar smoke by day fire by night, moses seeing bush not burning the greatest example of course being Jesus Christ being example of almighty Gods love and grace and power on display. This is what I gather.

If no man can see God's face and live, then please explain Ex 24:9-11 to me that says Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and 70 elders saw the God of Israel. Was this a special circumstance as it says He did not lay His hand on them? Yet Moses was instructed to go to the cleft of the rock and just see God's back.

Exodus 24:9-11 did say that the 74 people did see God, but what did God reveal to them about Himself? "There was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness." That's all they saw - what God chose to reveal to them.

Even Moses when He asked God to show him "His Glory", God obliged saying, "I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." ( Exodus 33:19-23).

So you will need to discern how God manifested Himself to some people & what they saw & understood from that sight. Was the sight sufficient to satisfy their anticipation & hope? I doubt they were disappointed, rather, overwhelmed & left in awe & fearful at this revelation.