There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.
But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.
Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.
Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.
Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.
John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...
So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.
John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand
Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....
Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.
Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.
To your comment now Jimbob. Your reference to the direct Words of the LORD ("Thus saith the LORD", and others): indeed, when such phrases are used, we know that the first recorders were compelled to write them down verbatim, or else the LORD would soon correct them (even as we see an example in Ezekiel 13:1-8). So here there is no problem. But what happens when these recorders such as Daniel, write down what they heard from those Babylonian kings? Do they need Divine Guidance to write, though certainly in need of God's Help to remember if the writing took place sometime after those events. So Divine Inspiration or even God's Word being wholly true & pure, must mean that God superintended over these recordings, ensuring that the recorders wrote exactly what God spoke or what they had seen or heard from others.
Now when it comes to translating the original writing to another language, it is true that God can still enable men, however much they might be lacking in some of the exacting skills to do the work, but the end product can only be the best that both language & abilities allow. A case in point but with a question first: how would you feel about the Bible (say the KJV) being translated into another language aside from English? I'm a little familiar with the Urdu Bible (the one used by Christians in Pakistan). When sharing from the Word & going through my message with my interpreter, I checked the verse 1 John 4:10 with him. I asked, 'What word would he use for 'propitiation' (a difficult seldom-used word) & what did that word mean to him & others? He said, 'the word in Urdu was 'kafara' & meant 'atonement'. I then asked if there could be any further meaning or thought to this word & he gave a definite No. I then explained to him the proper meaning of propitiation & he admitted that he had never heard of this explanation & there was no word in Urdu to describe the 'Anger of the LORD being turned aside or averted'. That was a fruitful time for all.
1) The day of the Lord is mentioned 31 times in the bible, 26 times in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament.
To my knowledge nowhere in scripture it mentions any removal of the saints.
Here's a few.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5) and several times in the New Testament ( Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages ( Revelation 6:15-17; 16:14).
In 2 Peter 3:3-18 we are told the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, and holding back his wrath not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Notice something in verses 11 and 12.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? ITS A QUESTION!!
The answer is NO!
Here's what were looking for;
Verses 13-16.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
See part 2 and the second issue I have with that view.
As for the thoughts on "fly away", (The Rapture) it is (Ecclesiastes nothing new under the sun. What once was is that which shall be done.
( Ezekiel 13:18-24) God was wroth that false prophets denied his word of destruction and were preaching safety from death by flying away alive. They preached comfort instead of truth. They preached a "Fly away doctrine".
Subsequently the word Rapture is not written in any Bible that I know of anywhere.
Hi Dgjot. I understand what you're saying & agree with it. I try not to dwell too much on the failure of our governmental systems - I weary myself unnecessarily by doing so. We live in a fallen world; not only as sin has gripped each person, condemning to hell, but sin's manifestations are so diverse & know no boundaries. You gave examples of the worst of offenders against innocent people - how are these different from justices who mete out flimsy sentences, or even murderers who get released from prison, only to commit another heinous crime. I ask, 'is there any difference between these criminals: the one committing the crime & the other careless about properly dealing with it?' Will not the same LORD judge each one according to their wicked deeds? I know you are overcome by this issue, as I remember you writing on this before, & really, there's not much one can do except to leave it all in His Hands, to the One Who will judge righteously - none shall escape & none will have any excuse before Him.
In the meanwhile, mental, emotional & physical suffering will continue as man exercises his sinful urges on others - where possible victims must be helped, loved & restored; I think the LORD would expect this of us. All other things beyond our control or influence, the LORD will take care of in his time.
I know Ezekiel 13 is talking about how much God hates false prophets. But it also shows the insanity of punishing the innocent and coddling the wicked.
19 "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?"
Specifically where it says- ".....to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live....."
My first thought was about our court system that coddles rapists and murderers and there's no justice for the victims of these crimes, and panders to irresponsible women who use abortions as birth control.
Who wrote Ecclesiastes??? Solomon??? Even he saw the stupidity of letting the wicked go free.
Ecclesiastes 8:11
"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."
1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
I'm in favor of the death penalty for the worst offenders: murderers and rapists (of men, women, boys, girls, babies and animals. Fornication outside of marriage is a horrible sin.)
The rapture has been assured to me that it is for the church age saints . Meaning ,The mystery of iniquity, satan buffets & abuses Gods ppl to a degree. But the rapture event ends the church age , we go straight to heaven ,then the 7 year retribution age starts , then Lord Jesus Christ sets his foot down in Jerusalem ending the 7 yr trib. Age & the 1000 yr millennial age starts , with The LION OF THE TRIB OF JUDAH ruling with a iron rod.
Apostate: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.
Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is visibly unveiled from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth with unrighteousness [wrongdoing];
The pillows are covering his outstretched hands. He wants his children to come to him but false preachers are covering the truth with the rapture theory.
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I think you are missing the context of the passage, and it has (as a result) created this totally off-topic discussion.
The mention of the pillows & the kerchiefs are references to falcon hunting. The pillow covers the hunter's hand/wrist/forearm to protect it from the talons of the hunting bird. The kerchief covers the eyes of the hunting bird--like a hood--until the hunter is ready to release the bird after its prey. (For more insight on this, you might check out the fantastic foreign documentary called "The Eagle Huntress".)
Suffice it to say--this chapter and the next are directly addressing God's thoughts on false prophets and providing some identifying marks for such persons. Here in verse 20, God is vowing to strip these false prophets (or false teachers, in our day) of the protective pillows that allow falconers to hold their captured birds of prey at the ready--as a perch for release & return. In the following verse God also vows to remove the kerchiefs that cover the falcons' eyes, keeping them in thrall to their handlers, between hunts. The pillow is: a contrived perch, a base of operations, a protection from the "natural consequences" of the sport (the talons being turned upon the hunter). The kerchief/hood enables control through blindness.
These are both classic mechanisms/trappings of cults, still alive & well today. (See also Matthew 23:15.) For example: Mormons baptize their children into their control group at age 8, feed them a steady stream of man-centered heresy & idolatry, then turn them loose (with no chaperone) as "missionaries" around age 18-22...trusting that they will "capture" others & return to their perches, obediently, when they are finished.
Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:
The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8
Jeremiah 46:10
Lamentations 2:22
Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3
Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20
Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14
We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.
Amos 5:18; 5:20
Obadiah 1:15
Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God
Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3
Zechariah 14:1
1 Corinthians 5:5
2 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)
1 Thessalonians 5:2
That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.
This is man trying to play God and find their own salvation, to live forever without God. They hate God's nature plan and try to pervert anyway they can. They use his symbols and mock them for their own lusts. It is getting near Sodom and Gomorrah each day, it will not top unless you have the seal of God in you mind, then deliver up before the Synagogue of satan. Philadelphia and Smyrna are the only two churches who taught this, Christ approved. The other five Christ did not approve, thus with your denominations today, all teach different and not what Philadelphia and Smyrna taught. What does you church teach? If it is not what Christ approved, you're not in his favor, like the five churches. Man attempt at his own salvation by using fetal tissues and organs, sacrificing , and looking to satan for eternal life. we know that people can jab, tattoo , mark you, but that will not change ones heart, and God is heart knower ( Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:") The Mark of the Beast is the belief that the tribulation (Failing Away) will happen after Christ return, ie, the rapture. Eve though is clearly states that shall not happen until, until what? ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"). Its say says that satan will look like Christ ( Revelation 13:11"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.) God allow satan to appear as Christ, to fool those who read over Gods word. ( 2 Corinthians 11:14"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.")God warn of those teaching raptue, Ezekiel 13:20
21 Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth,"[a](A) for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,(B) and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City,(C) the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,(D) prepared as a bride(E) beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.(F)
If the end starts in our lifetime the teachings of the rapture of the Church to heaven, will have many not prepared for what is coming. ( Daniel 12:1) ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27) tell us after the tribulation Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect, the second coming, not the third.
The great tribulation is confused with the wrath of God. We will be spared the wrath of God but we are not told we will be spared tribulation, ( Acts 14:22) ( Romans 8:35) (2 Thessalonian 1:4). When the end starts and the things that scripture tells us that is coming, I feel many that trust in this teaching will lose their faith because they are still here.
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved".
All the saints before, and what they had to endure, burning at the stake, crucifixion, beheadings, fed to lions, and more. Are we better or more worthy than they, to be spared? Do we exalt ourselves above those who came before us? Christians are still today being killed.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This verse is said shows we meet Jesus and are taken to heaven. Is anywhere in this verse where our destination is? Does this verse say we go to heaven? How can we assume something that is not written? Does being carried to heaven line up with the other scriptures about Jesus's second coming? Where are the chosen told they will reign, heaven or earth?
Millions of dollars have been made from this theory.
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
May we walk and be led by the Holy Spirit of truth.
Jesus is the word that became flesh, your high Priest and your sacrifice. One of the most important things that he told his apostles is there will be many antichrist hat appear first. Revelations use connotations such as bride wedding and whore. The bride is Christian's, the wedding is the return of Jesus for them and the whore is the false Christ and the organization of them promoting him as Jesus. The most important thing is to worship the right Christ.
one day we will have to give an account of what we done in the body,
i imagine some are going to be looking for those people they have convinced there's no rapture, or it's post trib or pre trib or whatever.
i imagine there will be some who also live their lives every day fighting those who believe in the trinity, looking for those they convinced there's no trinity,
and the lord tells them, those thousands of people you spoke to never made it because you never talked to them about the cross!!!.
if you would have planted a seed i would have made it grow!!!
and i would have given them my spirit and he would have taught them all things!!! ( things man can't teach ).
All will be transfigured at the appearance of Christ. Not just Christian's spirited away and non Christian's left on the earth. Daniel, revelations, 2 Thessalonians. All say the antichrist comes first deceiving those who think he is the true Christ. And by peace he shall destroy many. I am definitely not upset.
Is there a passage ANYWHERE in the Bible where it requires you to either believe or disbelieve the rapture as a requirement for salvation??
If I'm wrong I stand to be corrected.
Please give the passages!!!
You stated "those who believe there's a rapture believes Christ comes first "
That's not true!!
There's some believe Christ comes in the clouds before the antichrist ( pre trib.)
There's some believes Christ comes in the middle of the tribulation. ( Mid trib )
And there's some says Christ comes at the end of the Tribulation. ( Post trib..)
You quoted.
Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
DOING WHAT?? Talking about the rapture or spreading the Gospel??
Getting someone to see as you do in this matter about the rapture won't save lives!!
That's all I was saying.
However we do no the saints are removed.
1 Thessalonians 4:17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Sorry but as a matter of fact it does. Those who believe that there is a rapture think that Christ comes first. When the bible tells you explicitly that the anti- christ comes first. Which means that those people are worshipping Satan instead of waiting for the real Christ. Blessed are those when the Lord comes he finds still working in the field. Read your bible.
There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.
But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.
Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.
Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.
Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.
So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.
John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...
So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.
John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand
Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....
Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.
Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.
I will continue in a second comment on the frogs.
God BLESS YOU!
To your comment now Jimbob. Your reference to the direct Words of the LORD ("Thus saith the LORD", and others): indeed, when such phrases are used, we know that the first recorders were compelled to write them down verbatim, or else the LORD would soon correct them (even as we see an example in Ezekiel 13:1-8). So here there is no problem. But what happens when these recorders such as Daniel, write down what they heard from those Babylonian kings? Do they need Divine Guidance to write, though certainly in need of God's Help to remember if the writing took place sometime after those events. So Divine Inspiration or even God's Word being wholly true & pure, must mean that God superintended over these recordings, ensuring that the recorders wrote exactly what God spoke or what they had seen or heard from others.
Now when it comes to translating the original writing to another language, it is true that God can still enable men, however much they might be lacking in some of the exacting skills to do the work, but the end product can only be the best that both language & abilities allow. A case in point but with a question first: how would you feel about the Bible (say the KJV) being translated into another language aside from English? I'm a little familiar with the Urdu Bible (the one used by Christians in Pakistan). When sharing from the Word & going through my message with my interpreter, I checked the verse 1 John 4:10 with him. I asked, 'What word would he use for 'propitiation' (a difficult seldom-used word) & what did that word mean to him & others? He said, 'the word in Urdu was 'kafara' & meant 'atonement'. I then asked if there could be any further meaning or thought to this word & he gave a definite No. I then explained to him the proper meaning of propitiation & he admitted that he had never heard of this explanation & there was no word in Urdu to describe the 'Anger of the LORD being turned aside or averted'. That was a fruitful time for all.
part 1
That's a good point you make,
However, Here's a few issues with that view,
1) The day of the Lord is mentioned 31 times in the bible, 26 times in the Old Testament and 5 in the New Testament.
To my knowledge nowhere in scripture it mentions any removal of the saints.
Here's a few.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5) and several times in the New Testament ( Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages ( Revelation 6:15-17; 16:14).
In 2 Peter 3:3-18 we are told the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, and holding back his wrath not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Notice something in verses 11 and 12.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? ITS A QUESTION!!
The answer is NO!
Here's what were looking for;
Verses 13-16.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
See part 2 and the second issue I have with that view.
( Ezekiel 13:18-24) God was wroth that false prophets denied his word of destruction and were preaching safety from death by flying away alive. They preached comfort instead of truth. They preached a "Fly away doctrine".
Subsequently the word Rapture is not written in any Bible that I know of anywhere.
Long ago I read a book called The Road Less Traveled. I remember nothing about that book except one sentence:
"People want their grief acknowledged and their feelings validated".
When someone's grief is acknowledged and their feelings are validated they can have some peace, so thank you.
In the meanwhile, mental, emotional & physical suffering will continue as man exercises his sinful urges on others - where possible victims must be helped, loved & restored; I think the LORD would expect this of us. All other things beyond our control or influence, the LORD will take care of in his time.
19 "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?"
Specifically where it says- ".....to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live....."
My first thought was about our court system that coddles rapists and murderers and there's no justice for the victims of these crimes, and panders to irresponsible women who use abortions as birth control.
Who wrote Ecclesiastes??? Solomon??? Even he saw the stupidity of letting the wicked go free.
Ecclesiastes 8:11
"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."
1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
I'm in favor of the death penalty for the worst offenders: murderers and rapists (of men, women, boys, girls, babies and animals. Fornication outside of marriage is a horrible sin.)
What do you think?
Relevant today : Ezekiel 13:22,23
Acts 5:1-10 in context Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5,
Wisdom about : Proverbs 14:5-25, Proverbs 29:12, John 8:42-44 in context John 8,
Psalms 40:4, Isaiah 63:8, Zephaniah 3:13,
But Ezekiel 13:20 is interesting .
Will they hunt the souls of his ppl that they should make them fly????
Meaning ? I think God has told me the meaning but curious to hear others .
Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.
Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is visibly unveiled from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth with unrighteousness [wrongdoing];
The Fly Away Doctrine is evil, read Ezekiel 13:20
Vicki l Joplin on Ezekiel 13:20
The pillows are covering his outstretched hands. He wants his children to come to him but false preachers are covering the truth with the rapture theory.
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I think you are missing the context of the passage, and it has (as a result) created this totally off-topic discussion.
The mention of the pillows & the kerchiefs are references to falcon hunting. The pillow covers the hunter's hand/wrist/forearm to protect it from the talons of the hunting bird. The kerchief covers the eyes of the hunting bird--like a hood--until the hunter is ready to release the bird after its prey. (For more insight on this, you might check out the fantastic foreign documentary called "The Eagle Huntress".)
Suffice it to say--this chapter and the next are directly addressing God's thoughts on false prophets and providing some identifying marks for such persons. Here in verse 20, God is vowing to strip these false prophets (or false teachers, in our day) of the protective pillows that allow falconers to hold their captured birds of prey at the ready--as a perch for release & return. In the following verse God also vows to remove the kerchiefs that cover the falcons' eyes, keeping them in thrall to their handlers, between hunts. The pillow is: a contrived perch, a base of operations, a protection from the "natural consequences" of the sport (the talons being turned upon the hunter). The kerchief/hood enables control through blindness.
These are both classic mechanisms/trappings of cults, still alive & well today. (See also Matthew 23:15.) For example: Mormons baptize their children into their control group at age 8, feed them a steady stream of man-centered heresy & idolatry, then turn them loose (with no chaperone) as "missionaries" around age 18-22...trusting that they will "capture" others & return to their perches, obediently, when they are finished.
(These are both precious promises of hope!)
Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:
The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.
Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8
Jeremiah 46:10
Lamentations 2:22
Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3
Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20
Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14
We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.
Amos 5:18; 5:20
Obadiah 1:15
Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God
Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3
Zechariah 14:1
1 Corinthians 5:5
2 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)
1 Thessalonians 5:2
That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.
Isaiah 29:10,
Jeremiah suffered much as a Prophet of GOD Jeremiah 26, Jeremiah 27, Jeremiah 29, & following Chapters
However there is much about false prophets In Jeremiah, Jeremiah 28, Jeremiah 29:8, Jeremiah 27:14,15,16,
& Lamentations 4:13, Ezekiel 13:2,3,
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:") The Mark of the Beast is the belief that the tribulation (Failing Away) will happen after Christ return, ie, the rapture. Eve though is clearly states that shall not happen until, until what? ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"). Its say says that satan will look like Christ ( Revelation 13:11"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.) God allow satan to appear as Christ, to fool those who read over Gods word. ( 2 Corinthians 11:14"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.")God warn of those teaching raptue, Ezekiel 13:20
If the end starts in our lifetime the teachings of the rapture of the Church to heaven, will have many not prepared for what is coming. ( Daniel 12:1) ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27) tell us after the tribulation Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect, the second coming, not the third.
The great tribulation is confused with the wrath of God. We will be spared the wrath of God but we are not told we will be spared tribulation, ( Acts 14:22) ( Romans 8:35) (2 Thessalonian 1:4). When the end starts and the things that scripture tells us that is coming, I feel many that trust in this teaching will lose their faith because they are still here.
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved".
All the saints before, and what they had to endure, burning at the stake, crucifixion, beheadings, fed to lions, and more. Are we better or more worthy than they, to be spared? Do we exalt ourselves above those who came before us? Christians are still today being killed.
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This verse is said shows we meet Jesus and are taken to heaven. Is anywhere in this verse where our destination is? Does this verse say we go to heaven? How can we assume something that is not written? Does being carried to heaven line up with the other scriptures about Jesus's second coming? Where are the chosen told they will reign, heaven or earth?
Millions of dollars have been made from this theory.
2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
May we walk and be led by the Holy Spirit of truth.
RLW
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Luke 17:34-37
That will be the most important thing for those who will be here.
Myself and many others prepared not to be here. One way or another we be about our fathers business. Do the work!!!
John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT..
Acts 16:31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
For now we preach the message that saves lives.
The Cross!!
Amen
The groom = Jesus the Messiah
The bride = saints of Revelation 7
The beast = China/Russia + 9 more
The false prophet = pope?
The whore/Babylon = US/allies
thank you,
as you said, " we should be found working"
one day we will have to give an account of what we done in the body,
i imagine some are going to be looking for those people they have convinced there's no rapture, or it's post trib or pre trib or whatever.
i imagine there will be some who also live their lives every day fighting those who believe in the trinity, looking for those they convinced there's no trinity,
and the lord tells them, those thousands of people you spoke to never made it because you never talked to them about the cross!!!.
if you would have planted a seed i would have made it grow!!!
and i would have given them my spirit and he would have taught them all things!!! ( things man can't teach ).
let's work together and do what comes first!!
god bless.
Im sorry if I upset when I asked "
Is there a passage ANYWHERE in the Bible where it requires you to either believe or disbelieve the rapture as a requirement for salvation??
If I'm wrong I stand to be corrected.
Please give the passages!!!
You stated "those who believe there's a rapture believes Christ comes first "
That's not true!!
There's some believe Christ comes in the clouds before the antichrist ( pre trib.)
There's some believes Christ comes in the middle of the tribulation. ( Mid trib )
And there's some says Christ comes at the end of the Tribulation. ( Post trib..)
You quoted.
Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
DOING WHAT?? Talking about the rapture or spreading the Gospel??
Getting someone to see as you do in this matter about the rapture won't save lives!!
That's all I was saying.
However we do no the saints are removed.
1 Thessalonians 4:17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
God bless.