Discuss Ezekiel 14

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September 11, 2023

Tribulation: Purposes of the Seal Judgments as related to Israel's history.

The sword; famine and pestilence seen in judgments 2-4 in Revelation 6 fit in with a pattern set by God to judge Israel since most of their history was in a rebellious state despite being called to be an example to the nations ( Isaiah 49:6) and set apart ( Jeremiah 2:2-3). The pattern of sword; famine and pestilence can therefore be seen in Jeremiah 14:11-12 as well as other passages in the same book; and it found in Ezekiel 14:21; Deuteronomy 32:24; and other passages. Interestingly enough; Deuteronomy 4:30 mentions tribulation AND the last days; opening the door for repentance on man's part for God to turn back on some of these judgments (perhaps for individuals sealed by God or physically protected at that time and/or during the Trumpet judgments).

Therefore; this time before the Book is opened there appears to be room for repentance; although nothing said for the unregenerate where one quarter die at that time ( Rev. 6:8). It would appear since Hades is in Revelation 6:8 that everyone killed in this manner were unregenerate. The only question is if these are concentrated in a quarter of the earth or it involves one fouth of the world in general. We should also be soberly reminded here that many will not even physically survive to the point when the Beast is empowered and implements the mark ( Rev. 11:7) apparently after the martyrdom of the 2 Prophets and subsequent Resurrection at the 6th Trumpet ( Rev. 11:14).

The Antichrist at this time will rise to power ( Revelation 6:1-2) and begin to subdue and conquer nations. Daniel 8:9 shows how this "little horn" gains power; no doubt through superior intellect and intrigue ( Daniel 11:21). Nations no doubt are pitted so that they will through internal strife be conformed to the 10 nations ruled under the Beast after their sovereignty is destroyed.

I will delve into the fifth and sixth seal in my next sequel.

Agape. RICH P

Pt 1

Hello GiGi

My purpose when answering that post from Yasser was not actually to dig deep in the Word of God but just simplify it in a simple answer.

I also believe that there will not be an Israelitic Kingdom on this earth, neither in the futute earth. Those promises that were said for Israel by God were and are still fulfilled in the church. The only promise that is left yet for Hebrews is their salvation. And we know that that will take place during the antichrist's rule on this earth at the end. Besides according to the scriptures there is no room left for an Israelitic kingdom. it is not going to happen now, neither in the last week, neither in the millenium, neither on the new earth that will be creared by God after the final Judgement.

I don't believe that there are different requirements for Hebrews and gentiles as far as salvation is concerned. We all are justified by the Blood of the Lamb.

What I wanted to say is:

In the O.T. there were people who tried to be righteous, they made efforts to follow God's Will. But like all people they were doing sins. So we have people that did righteous things but also sins. So they were in a sence righteous, this is called MAN'S RIGHTEOUSNESS. It is not a perfect righteousness, actually it is far far away from what God calls righteousness. But still God sometimes called them rightous because He appriciated their efforts, like Zacharias and Elisabeth in Luke 1:6, "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.". Also Noe is called righteous, Genesis 6:8-9, "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

Also read Ezekiel 14:14, "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD."

Gigi:



A lot of things the Word of God teaches, is refuted by the church, what do you think the woman that rides the beast with the mind of a whore means.

That why one has to study and let the Spirit teach.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and DESTROY HIM (the carnal mind, which is deceived) from among the the midst of my people.

WE are a NEW CREATION, LIFE by the SPIRIT, Spirit (LIFE) cannot be destroyed or die, only the CARNAL MIND can; and MUST, to be DESTROYED.

God Bless YOU!

Brother S Spencer:

No one is going to change someones opinion, that's the Holy Ghost's job, we are just to preach truth.

Truth does not contradict God's words.

You don't go to heaven.

You (sinful flesh) DIED on the Cross, you, the (glorified) BODY of Christ, was raised back by the resurrection of Christ.

The Spirit (in a glorified body) goes back to God that gave it.

Christ, the glorified Body, (LIFE and TRUTH) is in man ( Colossians 1:27).

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Those chosen in this age, WILL BE ONE with Christ: IN MAN bringing man to GOD ( John 1:51).

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet (of man) be deceived when he has spoken such a thing, I the Lord HAVE DECEIVED that prophet .....

1 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause GOD SHALL SEND them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The whole world is DECEIVED, only the Holy Ghost can reveal truth.

1 Thessalonians 2:12 That they ALL (everyone of us) might be damned (JUDGED, now or later, by God's words) who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS (in the ages to come) SHALL BE subdued to him, the shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL.

We either come to truth now; and become ONE with the WORD, in this age, or latter, in the ages to come. God's CHOICE.

Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the world SHALL REMEMBER (when they are resurrected back into bodies of flesh and judged by God's words) and turn unto the Lord: for all kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

ALL God's WORDS will be fulfilled ( Isaiah 55:11).

God Bless You.

Pat:

It's the prophets of the people that are cause to prophecy lies.

Ezekiel 14:4-10

1 Kings 22:19-23

God Bless You!

Chris asked if someone can share prophetic today. I've been researching that since sometime 2019-presently. There is a website called Elijah List, it has several 'prophetic words' listed for multiple years of several "Prophets" I have been able to read many then go back to check older archived words. I prayerfully read many some have been accurate. Two people really stand out today as very accurate propheticly Hank Kunneman & Amanda Grace both have been very accurate about several things. The things that were most accurate that came to pass Pastor Hank Kunneman said 2018 they wouldn't be successful in 'impeachment' that they would try twice both would fail, that the decade would start off harsh, last year snow in unusual places to be a sign that GOD hears our cries & HE will cleanse ._.etc. Amanda Grace, Ark of Grace Ministries said High tech CEO's would resign right before Bezos did, said NY Como would be caught up in scandal & resign, warning him to repent. Then said because he didn't his own party would turn against him & he would resign this year.

Further researching I found Bob Jones & John Paul Jackson both deceased had propheied about "a perfect storm" coming to America which both were uncomfortably accurate they explained it to be s combination of many elements of Government,financial, real storms, financial, racial unrest, fires in our streets. Jackson even spoke of the storm being about 300 miles wide "Dorian"?

Even with accurate prophecy please remember the WORD of GOD Jeremiah 27 & 28, Hosea 12:13, 1 Kings 13, Ezekiel 14:1-10, Matthew 10:41, Deuteronomy 18:15-22, John 4:44, Luke 4:24, * Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Joel 2:28, Acts 2:17-19

Hopefully all this is helpful in your research.

Norman, May the Spirit grace you with his understanding.

Angels are spirit messengers of God (Spirit). They perform the will of their God (Spirit). They are neither bad or good. Their messages can either be deceit of truth depending on the results their God (Spirit) desires. God (Spirit) uses both (deceit or truth) to cause the outcome he (Spirit) desires.

1 Kings 19-23 And he said, hear therefore the WORD of the Lord (Spirit): I saw the Lord (Spirit) sitting on his throne, and the host of heaven (spirit messengers) standing by him on his right hand and on his left,

(vs) 20 And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall (be killed) at Ramoth-gilead? And one (spirit messenger) said on this manner, and another (spirit messenger) said on that manner.

(vs) 21 And there came forth a spirit (messenger), and stood before the Lord, and said, I (spirit messenger) will persuade him (Ahab).

(vs) 22 And the Lord said unto him (spirit messenger), Wherewith (how)? And he said, I (spirit messenger) will go forth, and be a LYING spirit in the mouth of ALL his (Ahab's) prophets. And he (Lord) said, thou (spirit messenger) shalt persuade him (Ahab), and PREVAIL also; go forth and do so.

(vs) 23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a LYING spirit in the mouth of all thy (Ahab's) prophets, and the Lord hast spoken evil concerning thee (Ahab).

Job 12:16 .....the deceived and the deceiver are his (Lords)

Ezekiel 14:7-9 .......and cometh to a prophet (of the people) to inquire of him (prophet of the people) concerning me (Lord); I the Lord will answer him (prophet or the people)by myself:

(vs) 9 And if the prophet (of the people) be deceived when he has spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom. ALL IS OF GOD

WOW! WOW! WOW! as it happen above, 2020 it is happening today before our eyes and most do not see it. Nevertheless notice above there is a remnant, those that was spared, see 14, 16, 18, 20, 22. To GOD BE ALL HONOR and GLORY for HIS MERCY in a Time such as above. By the POWER of GOD we hold on because it wont be long before we are at THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB. Thank GOD for John 3:16-21. Aint GOD GOOD!

Verses 14 and 20,salvation is a personal decision in confessing Jesus Christ as one's Saviour and Lord. No one can do it on behalf of another person. However one can pray for another person's salvation but one can not decide for another person.

Lev.26:40-42 If they shall confess their iniquity...with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; And that I also have walked contrary unto them...if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob. Salvation- A circumcised heart. Romans2:28-29

A True Heart Breaking Story. Job is Also Mentioned in The Book of Ezekiel 14:14,20 and James 5:11

We will be judge buy our wrong doing , as God he doesn't want to see us worship the Idols and consult the false prophet. want we have to do we need serve God in truth and in spirit lets trust God with everything we do he will help us Amen.

Ezekiel 14:14 we are responsible for our own sins we will be judged for our own sins however we must continue to profess and preach the salvation of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST to family ,friends and foe! Praise GOD

Verse 14~Daniel was a young man when he was mentioned here with faithful men like Noah and Job. This shows that he developed a pattern of faithful service to Jehovah God and one is never to young to develop a personal relationship with God.

Ezekiel 14:14 "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD." Job was a real man and endured all these things faithfully staying true and right in his heart toward God and men. There are some extremely rare Saints who are really "men after God's own heart" and are better than any others on earth.

Verse 16: Family relationships will not decide whether one will be spared and live through Jehovah's day. Each must personally build a relationship with Jehovah God.

Steve; I have been reading these again recently also. Its hard to put into words just how to aptly express; but this is the pronouncement of doom that will mean wailing and gnashing of teeth for this kind of people here spoken of. This conclusion of God to forsake them, comes from Him whose understanding is higher than there is any number to measure it; and has found that there is no remedy.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived,but the woman that was deceived was in the transgression. Also, Ezekiel 14:7-10

God is angry with the elders of Israel for they trusted in idols and wanted to inquire of the true God as well, thus condemning them and the prophets who prophesied lies unto them. Also, when Jerusalem sins against God he will send famine, sword, and pestilence against them and no one can deliver them from this judgement. Nevertheless, God always leaves a remnant. Even now, there is a remnant.

PARADOX ! The {remnant} is truly none other than Zion. May our Heavenly Abba Father and God Almighty bring His Holy and Matchless Word to pass in and through His Son who Lives and Reigns at His Right Hand now and forever more Christ Yeshua Jesus Glory Amen and Amen indeed. SHALOM ISRAEL ZION INDEED AMEN AND AMEN ! COME LORD YESHUA AMEN ! God bless you.

I believe as it tells us in Eccles.chapter 12:13,14 verses Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:Fear God and keep his commandments for this us the whole duty of man. Deut:10:12 For God shall bring every work work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be good. Matt:12:36 I am sure we will be judged on our own righteousness and non other . We must be obedient to God because this is what is required of everyone. The problem with the children of is Is real is they were disobedient and went about serving other Gods God is saying that we can 't deliver our children but only ourselves. Every man for himself.

The remnant that God preserves is always an obedient remnant. When Ezekiel see them, he shall be comforted, knowing that God preserves the obedient, when he sees what God did with Jerusalem. The present Israel is not that remnant that many believe, no wonder, the tons of prophecy books now garbaged written based on the timetable of its birth all quantumly missed the mark.

No one will be saved for what you do. Versus ' 14 16 18 20 make it very clear that whatever Yah decide 's to bring upon a land full of sin, that only those who have been practicing righteousness should deliver their own souls by their righteousness works . It 's very clear that we are justified by our own righteousness works and someone else righteousness works can not be passed upon another. Neither can another 's wickedness be passed upon another. Evert man shall be put to death for their own sin. Righteousness does come by the law! Just read Deut. Ch.6 verse 24 25

I think because God is a fair and righteous God He will never let anything come to pass unless he warns you thereof first The book of Ezekiel is to me of many warnings that God Himself has declared to the people and to those who do evil towards others

"Sir I'm sorry you can't read 4th grade English. " I THE LORD HAVE DECEIVED THAT PROPHET,"( Ezekiel 14:9). I agreed you made a good point. If you will read ( I doubt it) let these Scriptures (KJB) flip your wig, and pray about this about 10 years. ( 2 Sam 24:1) And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ( 1 Chr 21:1) Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. Now you know the Bible doesn't contradict. ( Job 1:12) And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in THY POWER; now look at ( Job 2:3) "and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou MOVEDST ME against him, to destroy him without cause." You want a hint to the answer? The LORD's axe is sharpened on the Devil's grindstone ~Havner. "

Please read the verses. ( Ezekiel 14:9) "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I THE LORD HAVE DECEIVED THAT PROPHET," ( 1 Kings 22:23) "Now therefore, behold, the LORD HATH PUT a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets," Thats why you must read the Bible and believe what it SAYS not what you read into it. God allows the Devil to do things by His premissive will. He lets the Devil deceive people who will not hearken to His word. ( 1 Cor 14:38)

Repent and turn away from idols. Turn away your faces from abominations. Bare fruit worthy of repentance. Forsake all what is evil and abominable in the sight of the Lord Thy God.

John 8:3-11, The woman was taken to Jesus Christ for judgment. Jesus said go and sin no more. This means someone or people can obey this command, but I cannot point out who they are, only God knows the heart. Jesus is so merciful saying this word even if no one can obey. For example of a good father in the family, he will not command his 4 years old son/daughter to bring one container filled with water, since he knew it is so heavy. Our God also cannot command the word to his people that we cannot do. To enter into the kingdom of heaven is dual. Faith to the Lord Jesus Christ and faith to His word also. I would not deny that faith alone can save Soul. Our Lord Jesus Christ gave us an example to the one on his side also hanging on the cross whom he has given a promise to enter into the kingdom of heaven. After that promise he was dead, so nothing bad or good could happen again because his body was dead. Not like us who are still alive. We cannot compare our faith to that of one of the robbers, who died just after receiving the Lord Jesus Christ by faith, because our evil thoughts, evil eyes are always there and also we are often liars. To erase this, we have to work and practice to follow His words and ask him for help, and pray that all our bad works will be cleansed before his judgment comes. We know we are all temporarily here, so why don’t we prepare for that day to come? Verses to support salvation of our own Soul is individual based on our own works and not by faith whereby many believers were deceived. Old Testament Ezekiel 14:14, 14:20, 18:27. New Testament Philippians 2:12, James 1:21-22, 1Timothy 4:16. My God will judge our works whether good or bad. My God will not judge our faith to Him.

The 4 sore judgments in Ezekiel 14 will be fulfilled in the 4 seals of Revelation 6; announcing the beginning of the great tribulation upon the nation of Israel. The 4 seals/judgments are also seen in Ezekiel 5:16, 17. Doesn't the great tribulation affect the whole world? Yes! Read the last half of Jeremiah 25: all the nations of the world will suffer because of the sword of the Lord pursuing the Jewish remnant that will be scattered into the four winds of the earth ( Ezekiel 5); wherever they go while fleeing from the Lord's wrath.