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Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
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December 19, 2023
I agree! Daniel and many prophets and Apostles were a instrument for the Lord.
They gave God glory, God worked mightily through them.
Israel was and still is an Instrument for the Lord, and their tune is not done playing!
It's going to come a time when the world will see the glory of God through them again instead of despising them. Jeremiah 16:14-15.
Much of the church today is antisemitic because lack of knowledge of the word of God.
Some say the teaching of the Talmud is the primary writings for all of Israel since the Babylonian and it teaches the Israelites to murder kill and hate other people but I don't hold that view and the Bible doesn't teach it.
They also had the writings of Moses as seen in Nehemiah 8:3-18.
The Jews was told to be separated from the world and the world hated them as well as today, including many false Christians.
When Israel left Babylon they had the same writtings that clearly tells them in Leviticus 19:33-34 not to oppress the stranger.
They all didn't do that, But we don't focus on the ethnic group, we focus on the remnant.
Israel history wasn't perfect and neither was the Church!
Today we are not perfect!
Our nation is not perfect! I've seen these same people that criticize Israel but yet by their own mouth, Justify slavery in our Country!
They must consider Matthew 7:1-2."Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
If we read Ezekiel 16:1-63
We will see the sin of Israel. They married/Joined themselves to the Spirit of the World as we have done as well.
So the holocaust and there history of turmoil was them departing the God that Provides.
Daniel gave a great example how to rise in to world powers and not conform to their culture.
They didn't rub off on him,
He rubbed off on them!
Read Daniel 4:1-37.
God bless.
As to point 3; taking literal scripture to symbolic; again anothe real life example was with the book of Jonah. I was told by someone in a "Presbyterian" church when I was in Pittsburgh about 15 years ago that it wasn't a true story. That would make it symbolic at best; or spurious according to this preacher's opinion (not sure his official title maybe Bishop or elder). That was my last visit there; of course it was already showing signs of other issues at the time of liberal interpretations etc.
Going back to the original example of the church replacing Israel in all things (besides the New Covenant for now including Jews and Gentiles) and the assumption that national Israel and the many scriptures on the final fulfillment of the destiny in numerous O.T. prophecies (and some in the N.T. such as Romans 14) we have a large chunk of the Bible we have to say is symbolic despite obvious explanations and meanings to the contrary. Ezekiel 47:9; for instance on the Dead Sea having fresh water has already occurred at least partially with the discovery in recent years of fresh water springs intruding and some sea life found.
As I have mentioned before here or elsewhere there is usually not an issue with past prophecies on the FIRST coming of Christ and O.T. ones being iterally fulfilled. There are of course those who choose not to believe the Bible that make language symbolic. People like to leave things out; such as the mention of the sin of pride with Sodom and Gomorrah in Ezekiel 16:49 which ignores the obvious literal attempt at assault of the angels visiting the city recorded in the Genesis narrative and the laws in the Pentateuch on the penalties for such behavior. There are those who misapply the Bible in regard to female Pastors and others that "cherry pick" what suits them.
We're treading on dangerous ground when you see how God dealt with this in the past and the warning he gave Israel not to become as they.
Leviticus 18:27-30 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
I believe this moral decline is evidence of a prideful people cup of iniquity is about full.
Notice the indictment against Sodom here in Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
GB.
2Chronicles 32:26,
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This is definitely a big issue, and I believe it needs to be discussed often by the Church!
I've spoken on this often in Church.
There was different views and opinions discussing this.
I took the approach on how Homosexuality came into the world using Romans 1:18-32 and focused on it being a RESULT OF DEPARTURE and fruitlessnes using Ezekiel 16:43. ( especially notice verses 48 and 50 ) This is where people were pierced!
You have to know the cause of something before you react to it. This gets to the base of the rapidly growing fire and place a whole nation at blame instead of the splitting parties. This agenda is wrong so one would wonder how did such a thing enter the governing of a nation that is supposedly God led?
We have articles written down by the nation forefathers that seemed to be inspired by the Bible and we're proud of them.
The question is were they ever performed?
The law in the Bible was written IN STONE BY GOD HIMSELF
AND NEVER AMENDED. The Jews was proud of it but never could obtain them and it condemned them as well as us.
We have the declaration of Independence, the Constitution outlined how this government would function. Yet the constitution has been amended 27 times.
We continue to change how we constitute the governing!
Our written articles is used as a indictment against us.
GODS LAW HAS TO BE WRITTEN IN MANS HEART!
Sadly that inward Governing you won't see geographically until the Millennium reign of Christ.
But there is nation sojourning here now that is governed by the Lord and that is "HIS" Church.
"True believers who worship in truth and Spirit."
2 Chronicles 7:14. Was written to Israel but I believe we should consider for clarity.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall HUMBLE THEMSELVES, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
God bless.
Proverbs 16:18. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Ezekiel 16:48-50. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
Jeremiah 17:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Ezekiel 16:27 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
Jeremiah 12:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Isaiah 41:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
Jeremiah 14:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And their nobles have sent their little ones to the waters: they came to the pits, and found no water; they returned with their vessels empty; they were ashamed and confounded, and covered their heads.
Zephaniah 3:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
He told us to sell all
Luke 11:41 to the pharisees
Luke 12:33 to the disciples
Luke 14:33 to the multitudes
Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy
And his disciples approve
Acts 2:44-45
Acts 4:33-34
Luke 18:28-30
Matthew 4:18-24
But who will go to heaven
Jesus and Jacob give us a hint
Luke 18:24-25
Mark 10:17-31
Matthew 5:3
Luke 6:20
James 2:5
But where does that put the rich?
Luke 6:24-25
James 5:1-3
What is the root of all evil?
1 timothy 6:10
Genesis 3
Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:
Genesis 3:17-19
Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?
Ezekiel 16:49-50
Luke 17:28
But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip
Revelation 13
But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.
Genesis 9:22, honestly ask yourself would you go tell others? Or cover? Who showed their father honor? Genesis 9:23
Noah, "knew what his younger son had done to him." Genesis 9:24, it wasn't that he just saw.
There's additional information, to help readers understand, Genesis 9:18, Genesis 9:22, Genesis 9:25, Genesis 10:15, note Canaan, 1st recorded rape of a girl Genesis 33:18, Genesis 34:1-2, & Sodom & Gomorrah, Genesis 10:19, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 18:20, Genesis 18, Gen. 19,
Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:49, Jude 1:7, it appears to point to a root of evil started with that person.
Hopefully this is helpful
When Israel did right by the Lord he gave them rest and the spirit of the lord rested on the leaders! Numbers 11:25-29.
As a nation we've put together great writings on paper and we Identfied ourselves by these writings but we never accomplished what we have in writing. Sort of reminds you of Israel doesn't it? Actually Israel didn't just have the law written on skin, they had the Lord in their midst. But his laws wasn't written on there hearts! And this is the only geographical nation/Country that has been set apart by the Lord.
That ought to humble every other nation! God has raised up nations in the past to do his will and then judge that nation!
Habakkuk 1:5-6.
Jeremiah 25:11-12.
God used Assyria and Babylon to chastise Israel and turn the rod on them.
God raises up great kings to do his will!
Isaiah 45:1.
Ezekiel 29:18-20.
Pride goeth before destruction and an haulty spirit before a fall.
All these nations fell! Now Let's look at Israel. Ezekiel 16:48-50. Notice verses 49 and 50? You noticed God called sodom Israels sister! When God brought Israel out of Egypt God called them his son. He was a father and a husband to them. But they turned from God so at this point he's telling them they have the same father as Sodom, and we know who that is!
"He's not governing there heart" but there will come a time he will. Jeremiah 31:31-34. Noticed verse 33? He will put his law in their inward parts!
Looking at Israel and the way the Lord raised up nations and later judged them should humble us!
There will come a time when his nation will be taken out of the world and he will deal with all the worlds nations.
Joel 3:2.
So let's pray the lost people of ALL nations humble themselves and get on a tract they have NEVER been on.
God bless and goodnight.
You are right, there is so much that is not given in scripture so most is conjectural.
I also believe Adam lived in a different environment for lack of better terms, "Before sin entered the world."
A big question that troubles me is the word naked. It seems it carries more of a spiritual meaning than nudity often in scripture.
I believe often it's the opposite of being clothed with righteousness in a way mentioned here in Isaiah 61:10-11.
The question is was Adam and Eve naked spiritually before eating of the tree of "knowledge of good and evil and perhaps they were clothed in a way mentioned in Ezekiel 16:7-15. We know good and evil existed long before Adam. "But they had no knowledge of it until they ate if the fruit. Look at Genesis 3:17. in that context, ( AND THE EYES OF THEM BOTH WERE OPENED,)....( and they knew that they were naked;...) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
I believe as you do Adam and Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
I believe in the Gap theory, Not as some do and try to fit the Dinosaurs into that gap or any other life existence that we know of, I believe they were all created in the Genesis account. I believe Lucifer may possibly have had a dominion here on earth in that Gap.
Here's why. Ezekiel 28:13. ( Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; ) every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
The account in Genesis Lucifer has already fallen, He's not adorned as mentioned in Ezekiel 28. " I believe this fallen mentioned here is positionally. and. "Down to Earth."
until next time.
GBU.
But to give you an outline to work on: Ezekiel was from a priestly family (1:3) & his name means "God strengthens". He spent his early years in Jerusalem until the captivity to Babylon, alongwith the other hostages. Over there he settled in his own house by the river Chebar (3:15,24), & prophesied for at least 22 years. His wife died about 10 years after being exiled, from a stroke or a plague (24:16-18).
He ministered to the exiles in Babylon at the same time that the prophet Jeremiah was ministering to the Jews in Palestine. His ministerial thrust was to keep before the exiles, not only the sins they had committed that brought on God's Judgement, but to also assure them of God's future blessing by His keeping of His Covenant with them.
The general breakdown of the chapters can be seen as thus: Chapters 1 to 3 (Ezekiel's Call & Commissioning); Chapters 4 to 24 (Prophecies against Judah & Jerusalem); Chapters 25 to 32 (Prophecies against foreign nations); Chapters 33 to 39 (Prophecies of Israel's restoration); and Chapters 40 to 48 (Prophecies concerning Israel in the coming Millenial Kingdom).
I realize I've given a very brief outline to you, but hopefully it will help you focus on Ezekiel, the man & his ministry & God's Word to them (& for us to learn from). You will need a comprehensive commentary if you want to do an in-depth study. Every blessing in your studies.
The word you will find in the Bible is COVENANT. It's stronger than the other two words.
John Chapter 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Examples of COVENANT
Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Leviticus 26:42
Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
2 Kings 23:3
And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.
I checked with 3 different translation engines that used "benevolent" or "generous" instead of "liberal". So, I think we know what the word liberal means, and it is not negative. The scripture says that the vile or foolish man will no longer be thought of as liberal [benevolent, or generous, during the Messianic reign, but instead will be recognized for what they are]. They didn't give at Temple because it was within their heart. They gave to bring praise upon themselves.
The Bible also tells us that you can do many righteous things, but if you have not charity, you are nothing. Similar to the hypocrites who pray on the street corner (where everyone can see them... or on TV, or the Internet).
I am reminded of those who call the poor "lazy" and "freeloaders" and "welfare queens". They declare themselves to be worthy of heaven, and anyone who doesn't believe just as they do are consigned to hell.
If America is destroyed, it will be because of arrogance, selfishness, and apathy. Too many today lack empathy & compassion. Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of [insert your country here]: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Your question about praying for drying blood. Many not from the southern states, mainly the hill country may not have heard of this. Some people are said to have the gift of healing, that is for each individual to believe or not. One prays for healing using different bible verses, a verse from Ezekiel 16 is used for healing humans or animals that has bleeding that can not be stopped, to stop the bleeding. This goes back to the early settling of the states and things brought over from the old country, and probably still being used. It is controversial and some say mystical so if you have a congregation you attend, ask your pastor.
God bless, Ron
I believe Homosexuality and same sex marriage has overtaken the nation to where its the norm, And being legalized by the government that is when our cup is filled!!
Not to mention abortion!!
We have a lot of blood on our hands from the beginning,
Unrepentant Homsexuals is going to have a lot of company in Hell.
And prayer, how important is that?!
We have taken it out of school!!
"All" this dark world will be under judgment,
"We the Church" is to be a light to lead people out of darkness.
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1 Peter 2:9.
We're strangers and pilgrims. We should walk that way, but the world, Apostasy, and pride has crept in the Church.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18
We parallel with Sodom in more ways than just Homosexuality. Look at the sins of Sodom here in
Ezekiel 16:49-50.
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
God has never done more for a nation than what he done for Israel, but look what he says about Israel.
Ezekiel 16:48. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
They had written laws by the hand of God that had no need to be AMENDED!. Laws written on stone condemned the word!!
Us like them started with written laws we never held true to.
But now we have in the Church what the world nations never had and never will,
THE HOLYSPIRIT IN US. A Royal priesthood, A Holy Nation, Called out of darkness into his marvellous light.
God bless you brothers.
I agree, that 'fornication' is used quite often in the Bible, but when we examine the Scriptures referring to it, we would find that it doesn't always apply to how we understand it now, but can have several meanings & applications. There are references to Israel's spiritual fornication ( 2 Chronicles 21:11 & Ezekiel 16:26,29) & we know of the heathen's compulsion in this area associated with temple worship where temple prostitutes served to bring worshippers to a heightened experience of their god. A grievous sin indeed, but we shouldn't make this sin our focus because of its numerous references, as all sin, as seen in every book of the Bible, is as much sin as fornication is. But if fornication is made to be the cause of all sin, then we'll find that we have to alter the intent & meaning of relevant Scriptures to suit our belief & for this, thus you will have noticed the comments coming to you from us, to highlight this error.
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.. Now concerning the darkness you spoke of. John 1:4-12 . In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
I agree that Jesus is the way to everlasting life.
I am not sure what you mean by a "condemned to death sinner" being "protected by the Law" by "putting themselves in the Mercy Seat of Christ."
I don't want to live in a society that allows murderers to be justified in the Law because they have decided to be "brave enough" to believe that the Law of God has been fulfilled through the blood of Christ and therefore we do not need to be under it anymore.
Faith in Jesus does not free people from the consequences of sin.
Murderers are to be dispatched back to God.
Forgiveness is up to the one offended, not the offender; and it is based on repentance.
The Law is there for us to follow.
Again, I will state that only Jesus did not NEED the Law.
He was Perfect.
The rest of us need the Law.
Concerning the "Bride:"
I don't believe that the collective Christian churches are the Bride of Christ.
The Bride is Jerusalem that God took to wife ( Ezekiel 16:8), and SHE will be renewed and called "New Jerusalem" ( Revelation 3:12, 21:2)
We as Christians make up the collective "body" of Christ ( Ephesians 1:23, 5:23, Colossians 1:18, 24, etc..)
Lamentations 1:8 - Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward.
Ezekiel 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
Malachi 2:11 - Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (end time Jerusalem)
Jesus, my LORD, was crucified in Jerusalem, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.
Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Rev 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Mystery Babylon killed the prophets
Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
the two witnesses of God are mentioned here:
Rev 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. NOT Rome or in Mecca or the USA
Jerusalem killed the prophets, not Rome, and since babylon killed the prophets = Jerusalem
Ezekiel 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
Malachi 2:11 - Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.