Discuss Ezekiel 37 Page 2

  • Jimmy Akin on Ezekiel 37 - 2 years ago
    What does , thou shalt not use the lords name in vain, mean. Thank you.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 2 years ago
    Tabernacle also as per Old Testament: Exodus 25:8,9, Exodus 26, there is much detail in the Tabernacle GOD had Moses build in several more chapters following Exodus 25, 26, 27, 30

    Exodus 30:36, Exodus 33:7, Ezekiel 37:27,

    2Corinthians 5:1,4, Hebrews 8:1-13, - Hebrews 9:1-28,

    Interesting it also has been referred to as temporary, moveable, place of worship & to meet GOD.

    Hopefully this is also helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Jocelynne.

    Don't be discouraged, You are asking questions that many have asked and they're not stupid questions.

    There is not much I can do to make you believe what is written using scripture if you don't believe in the scripture.

    But I would like to share that the bible is actually 66 books with over 40 different authors written over a span of thousands of years yet these books Harmonize as a single msg.

    This fact along with the many fulfilled prophecy should be enough to consider this book to be unique and not just another history book.

    Most history books give an accurate account on what has already past. The bible gives accurate accounts on what's future, what's present, and what has already past.

    One of the most recent is Israel restored back to the land in 1948.

    Ezekiel 37:21 (KJV) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:.

    Read all of Ezekiel ch 7. This Prophecy is not completely fulfilled but it is continuing to unfold before our very eyes!!

    Jocelynne pray to God to come into your life and open your eyes to his word and understanding.

    Only he can do that,

    And everyone who has wisdom and understanding git it from God, otherwise he/her don't have it!

    You said you believe in God trust him, he want leave us without understanding.

    I pray someone helps in this matter and would like to expand on this.

    I will check on you in a day or so.

    God bless you.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 2 years ago
    Amen, GiGi.

    The flesh is on the bones but the spirit isn't in them yet.

    God bless. Ezekiel 37:6. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    Hi M.

    Providing we're able to convince one there is a God by his creation,

    Psalms 19:1.

    Romans 1:19-20.

    Perhaps here's a few of many verses that shows the God of the Bible is that God.

    Genesis 13:14-15. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

    For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed (FOR EVER.)

    As we know they went into captivity, And Ezekiel wrote from Babylon when the was desolate. They later returned and the land was left desolate again for over 1900 years.

    May14, 1948. We see the "start" of

    Ezekiel 37:1-27.

    Ezekiel 20:42.

    Jeremiah 30:2-3.

    Jeremiah 31:17.

    Isaiah 43:5-6.

    Micah 4:6-7.

    Amos 9:14-15.

    Ezekiel 36:23. AND I WILL SANCTIFY MY GREAT NAME, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I SHALL BE SANCTIFIED IN YOU BEFORE THEIR EYES.

    Jeremiah 16:14-15. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

    Jeremiah 23:6-8. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi. TP.

    I believe the flesh is on the bones, but the spirit is not in them yet.

    Ezekiel 37:8-14. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

    Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

    So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

    Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

    Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

    And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

    And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

    And these preceding verses haven't happened yet.

    Ezekiel 3715:28.

    God bless.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 2 years ago
    Hey Mishael,

    We are of the same generation I'm seventy-one, and I agree with you about dates, only the Father knows. I read most of your posts, and the only reason I replied was the video, you said it was really good teaching, sorry, numbers do not post too well on this site.

    If you look closely at that video it is like watching a magician, full of misdirection. Using prophetic days and years with 365-day years, throwing in 1948 using ( Ezekiel 37:3), which turns on a light bulb to people, "Hey this must be true that's when Israel became a nation again". There is a lot more I could say, it is easy to pick a verse out of context, and paint a beautiful, believable picture of falsehood about end times and other teachings that are out there today, and so many are looking and believing in false things.

    I too went to church early in life and later caught up in the world. In my late forties, my wife and I were in Mexico, and my wife was attacked by a demonic being. We went through over two years of unbelievable things. My wife was in the hospital and I went by my parents' house and I picked up our family Bible and a poem that my grandfather had written fell out in my lap. I read it and I felt a overcoming light fill me, I have been reading my Bible ever since.

    My eyes were opened fast too, Ephesians.6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Oh, by the way, some have physical bodies.

    My marriage did not make it, just me and Jesus now, never to remarry with no children. At our age we have seen many changes, church buildings, people think of as the Church, not them. The world swallowing people up and the speed it is happening is frightening, ( 2 Timothy 3: 1-7)

    You can feel the love in your words.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

    8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

    9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

    RDf

    9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

    10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

    RDf

    10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

    11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

    RDf

    11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

    12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

    RDf

    12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

    13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

    RDf

    13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

    14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

    RDf

    14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

    {borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}
  • Tim - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Glen,

    I'm glad to see your understanding is consistent with scripture. If you notice there is an information gap between the first and second resurrections. For instance, ( Revelation 11:12) describes the one hundred forty four thousand being called up to heaven. You would think that this is the only resurrection because the saints appear alone on Mount Olives with Jesus at the seventh trumpet. The thousand year reign on earth cannot house the many billions that make up the the dead in Christ. The second resurrection comprises the "whole house of Israel" as depicted in ( Ezekiel 37:1-14). This doesn't count the 108 billion soles that have ever lived. This is why the new heavens and earth come about, to accommodate everyone.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 marks the first resurrection, but its presentation is incomplete and confusing. Are there elements of both resurrections here? There's no doubt that at the final trumpet everyone is changed. Paul is saying that all believers rise, but is he talking about the saints/ 24 elders being resurrected; when he says "we", is he talking about his set? If this is the dead in Christ resurrection, where do all the risen go to manifest themselves in the afterlife. There is never any mention of the dead in heaven, other than the saints. Are these believers being held in a unique place, other than joining the saints and elders? Are details being withheld till a later time when we're able to process it. Anything written past the seventh trumpet has been made confusing, details are withheld. It's as if the two resurrections have something in common with the sealed up seven thunders.

    It is clear that there are gaps in the resurrection time-line, and the story is presented in a manner that merges the two resurrections together. Ideally, the first resurrection is for the saints/elders, and the second is for everyone else. However, I couldn't wholeheartedly sign off on a theory for the mentioned reasons.
  • Tim - In Reply on Psalms 10 - 3 years ago
    Mary Lou, every time I see your name, I think of this Biblical song by Bob Dylan:

    I went to the wedding of Mary-Lou

    She said I don't want nobody see me talkin' to you

    Said she could get killed if she told me what she knew

    About dignity

    I went down where the vultures feed

    I would've got deeper, but there wasn't any need

    Heard the tongues of angels and the tongues of men

    Wasn't any difference to me

    Chilly wind sharp as a razor blade

    House on fire, debts unpaid

    Gonna stand at the window, gonna ask the maid

    Have you seen dignity

    Someone showed me a picture and I just laughed

    Dignity never been photographed

    I went into the red, went into the black

    Into the valley of dry bone dreams ( Ezekiel 37:1-14)

    So many roads, so much at stake

    Too many dead ends, I'm at the edge of the lake

    Sometimes I wonder what it's gonna take

    To find dignity
  • Johnathan Taylor - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Mishael,

    Ezekiel 37:1-14 describes the second resurrection of both houses, after the thousand years. Therefore this group is not the "church", but a standing army of Israelites glowing with everlasting life.

    vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

    I'm confident that this army will defeat satan's army after he's let loose.

    Keep bringing up the prophets, it is their words that are being fulfilled under our watch. I don't think our geopolitical climate has the sense to straighten the ship. The Bible is more accurate than today's headlines.
  • Johnathan Taylor - In Reply - 3 years ago
    S Spencer,

    "The group in Revelation is not reigning on the earth"

    I said "alluding" because it's not so obvious who they are, but it is obvious from what they do. Yeah, I know they're in heaven, and will reign on earth. Read it again.

    "And they're not the 144 thousand seen in Revelation Ch. 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 and 14 they're 12000 out of every tribe of Israel."

    How many times do you want God to tell you who they are, and in how many ways? There's something called a rough number. If you can't see the likeness between those 2 figures, math is not your calling.

    "In Revelation 5:9:11. It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

    Seriously? That is them!!! Israel was scattered all over the earth, Israel's seed is everywhere, and from those nations and tongues are where the 144K are gathered from. THEY LOST THEIR IDENTITY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE be it Dan, Ruben, or Gad. They're sealed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, that's who Israel has become. Israel represents EVERYONE.

    "I believe this is the Church that has been raptured up."

    Did you add that number up? It comes out to roughly 144k. depending on what thousands of thousands is, That amount of people would only cover a medium city. What would you do in the first resurrection anyways. ( Revelation 7:15) witnesses have taken up all the jobs. I thought like you because someone told me about a rapture, so I studied up. What speculation I have is backed up by scripture, you'll always have doubt. Be thankful for ( Ezekiel 37:1-14).
  • Jack Scarberry - In Reply - 3 years ago
    OCEAS,

    I am self taught from KJV. Every time I get curious I look how the internet interprets prophesy, and I have to laugh, dignity never been photographed. Going into the valley of dry bone dreams. I'm hooked on the resurrection doctrine ( Ezekiel 37:1-14).

    Everyone with an opinion should say as they wish about the future; we should have a day(s) where we can guess what the hell is going on. Do current events ascribe to end-time Biblical events? No honest answer is wrong, dialog is the aim.
  • Richard Estrada - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dianne,

    There are 2 resurrections:

    1st resurrection: The 144k saints are out of great tribulation, from all nations and tongues. Not all saints are killed by the beast, not all saints lay dead for 3.5 days. From the way 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is phrased, you could easily believe the first resurrection is for you, but the depictions in heaven identify the 144k only. Below describes saints in heaven, not sinners:

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    2nd resurrection: After the 1,000 years the rest lived.

    ( Ezekiel 37:1-14)
  • Mark Sislack - In Reply - 3 years ago
    1 Thessalonian 4 purports a seventh trumpet resurrection of both dead and surviving sealed saints, coming out of the great tribulation. Since this occurs 42 months AFTER the abomination of desolation, it nullifies such beliefs; it proves the notion and timing of a "rapture" is unsound. The saints were not taken up BEFORE the abomination of desolation, but only at the seventh trumpet, 42 months later. You would want to be "taken" before the great tribulation, not after.

    Since 1 Thessalonian 4:17 occurs at the last trumpet, equivalent to Revelation 11:15, it is the first resurrection of the sealed saints only. The dead rise first before the living, therefore this is a small, treasured group of people, and not the whole group. Revelation 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand...These sealed saints overcame the beast and his mark, they are virgins who will rule with Christ for 1K years. Who among us can be described like that, and who will make it to the end alive?

    IT IS NOT Ezekiel 37:1-14 either (2nd resurrection), because here BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah) are being resurrected and stand up as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. AND THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!!

    This "lifting up" event is misinterpreted so badly, seeing that billions and billions of Christian sinners will require a new earth and new heaven to accommodate them all. Everyone involved should humble their place in line. Counting yourselves among the Revelation 14:4 saints is rather precarious, indeed. Does man immediately deserve to stand alongside the elect saints, and Jesus Christ?

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The second resurrection is for the rest, other than the elect, of which the majority are not. When the fast bullets fly, we will get a new perspective on Hebrews 9:27.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Connie.

    We all minister to the saints, You can do that without uttering a word! You're ministering when you're helping, There's no office or gift that stands out above another being that God gave the Church these Ministers and also the gifts.

    Joel 2:28 " I will pour out my spirit on

    " ALL "flesh, Have that happen yet? I'm afraid not. Has "ALL" Israel began to Prophecy? No but they will during the Millennium.

    Peter said in

    Acts 2:16. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; " IT IS LIKE THAT OF JOEL'S PROPHECY.

    God said "I will pour my spirit upon ALL flesh" This parallels with Ezekiel 37. They're in the land but have they received the Spirit? NO.

    Ezekiel 37:14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

    Joel 2:27-28. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of ISRAEL, AND THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and MY PEOPLE SHALL NEVER BE ASHAMED.

    And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    ( THIS IS DURING THE MILLENNIUM )

    HERE'S THE CHURCH INSTRUCTIONS.

    Ephesians 4:11-12. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    Paul says the Older woman is to teach the younger.

    Titus 2:3-4.

    1 Timothy 2:11-15. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

    And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    GB.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 20 - 3 years ago
    Phyllis,

    Our English bibles tell us in John 20:22, "And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:"

    But the literal translation of Verse 22 from the Greek text for the term "He breathed on them," it says literally "He breathed in." That is it! "He breathed in and said to them." What does that mean that He breathed in?

    Some people point out the fact that the word for breathe is found in two places in the Old Testament, one is in Genesis 2:7, where the Lord literally breathed into the face of Adam and he became a living soul. And then in Ezekiel 37:9, where he tells Ezekiel to go out and prophecy, and the wind comes and blows on the dead bones and they become alive.

    But the difference between this instance in John 20:22 and the two places I just mentioned is that in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament, in Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 37:9 it has what is called the preposition EIS with the accusative.

    It says God breathed into Adam. The wind and breath of God breathed into the dead bones. There is no prepositional phrase here in John 20:22. It is just the word breathed in.

    God breathed in, He took a breath inward, and He said Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    But notice that it does not say that they received the Holy Spirit, because this text is where many get the "two experiences" where here they were saved, and in Acts Chapter 2, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a "second experience" that every Christian needs. The problem here is that Jesus gave them the command, receive the Holy Ghost. It doesn't say they received Him!
  • Chris - In Reply on Ezekiel 37 - 3 years ago
    Hi Babatope. No. Ezekiel was a contemporary of the prophet Jeremiah. He was taken with the other hostages into captivity in Babylon & his ministry was to those with him in captivity. Jeremiah in the meanwhile, ministered to the Jews in Palestine.

    So Ezekiel was around approximately 400 years after King David took the throne. Therefore Ezekiel 37:24's reference to "David my servant" can only apply to the One who would come after David, in the same family line as David, & would eventually fulfill the rest of that Scripture: "(he) shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them."

    As King David came through the line of Judah, so would the coming King be of that lineage & will not only be King, but also the "Great Shepherd of the sheep", both to the houses of Judah, Israel & also the Gentiles who are saved. And Isaiah 11:1-5 and Jeremiah 23:5,6 speak of this coming One out of Jesse & David - and His Name of course, is Jesus.
  • Babatope on Ezekiel 37 - 3 years ago
    My question is in Ezekiel 37 vs 24. And David my servant shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd. Does this means that prophet Ezekiel was before king David?
  • Simon - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Earl,

    A Biblical study on the 2 resurrections provides a generous amount of insights, rather than point blank omissions.

    The first resurrection is only of the house of Israel; no where is Judah mentioned. It's the lost sheep whom Jesus first set out after, the house of Israel buries the bones of Gog for seven months. ( Ezekiel 39:12) The tribes of Levi, Benjamen, and Judah, 12,000 each have converted to the Lord Jesus Christ. They are the remnant of Israel.

    Some like to imagine being part of the first resurrection, but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. The only ones ever mentioned as "first fruits" are the one hundred forty four thousand, elect.

    The second resurrection: ( Ezekiel 37:1-14) solidifies the order and nature of the resurrections. Here we see dry bones from the house of Israel and Judah stand up together as the whole house of Israel. The house of Judah was never part of the first resurrection, as those from the house of Israel were. This represent the second resurrection allegory of Israel.

    The second resurrection begs the need for a new earth and new heavens for billions of people entering...souls.

    You can disagree with anything I've said. If you have better insight, please share.
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 3 years ago
    Part 4

    Ezekiel 38:18-23

    The Lord Jesus Christ standing on Mount Olive:

    The seventh trumpet sounds:

    ( Revelation 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [Jesus comes as a thief at both sixth & seventh trumpets]

    vs 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face

    vs 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

    ( Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ( Revelation 16:17) ( John 19:30)

    ( Ezekiel 37:1-14) Resurrection: ...vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. vs 11 ...these bones are the whole house of Israel. vs 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,..

    ( Matthew 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    ( Revelation 1:7)

    ( Revelation 19:11-16)

    ( Revelation 19:19-20)

    vs 20 ...Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ( Zechariah 14:1-4) ....Then shall the LORD go forth...And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...

    ( Zechariah 14:12)

    God removes the 'northern army':

    ( Joel 2:20-21)

    ( Daniel 11:40)

    ( Jeremiah 6:22-23)

    ( Jeremiah 50:3)

    ( Jeremiah 50:41)

    vs 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 20:22 - 3 years ago
    Hello Richard,

    Here is what brings me to my conclusion:

    Genesis 2:7 from the Septuagint translated into English says, "and the God molded man from the dust of the land and (breathed into) his face the breath of life and man became into a living soul."

    Ezekiel 37:9 from the Greek Septuagint says, "and He said to me "Prophesy son of man, prophesy over the Spirit and tell the Spirit "Thus says The Lord, come out of the four spirits and (breathe into) these dead let them live!"

    The prepositional phrase EIS is used in both Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 37:9.

    There is a specific action taking place in both those verses. The preposition EIS is used with the accusative case in both Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 37:9. What that means to me is that it points to the object of verbal action. When I see the prepositional phrase EIS with the accusative, I believe it should be translated by using terms such as into, unto, to, toward, etc. A specific action.

    But in John 20:22, the prepositional phrase EIS is not used in that verse in the Textus Receptus. That is why I don't believe the English translation is correct when it says He breathed on them. There's nothing in the Greek text to indicate that action was taken. It should read He breathed in. I see it as Jesus taking a deep breath before saying receive ye the Holy Ghost.

    But John 20:22 does not tell us that they received the Holy Ghost.

    I do agree that the Holy Spirit fell on many in Acts Chapter 2. But I don't see any indication that anyone had received the Holy Spirit before Christ's ascension into heaven. That is what I was getting at. I believe that salvation takes place once God's Spirit (Holy Spirit) enters into a person, not before.

    What I was referring to was that while Jesus was here on this earth, I don't believe anyone had received the Holy Spirit yet. In Acts Chapter 2, yes! This would have been after Christ ascended into heaven.

    I hope that I am not causing any confusion here.

    Thank you for the response!
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 20:22 - 3 years ago
    The literal translation of John 20:22 for the term "He breathed on them," it says literally "He breathed in." That is it! "He breathed in and said to them."

    What does that mean that He breathed in?

    Some point out the fact that the word for breathe is found in two places in the Old Testament, one is in Genesis 2:7, where the Lord literally breathed into the face of Adam and he became a living soul.



    And then in Ezekiel 37:9, where he tells Ezekiel to go out and prophecy, and the wind comes and blows on the dead bones and they become alive.



    But the difference between this instance and the two places I just mentioned is that in the Septuagint, in Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 37:9 it has what is called the preposition EIS with the accusative.



    God breathed into Adam. The wind and breath of God breathed into the dead bones. There is no prepositional phrase here in John 20:22. It is just the word breathed in.

    What is interesting is that it does not say that they received the Holy Spirit.

    This text is where some get the "two experiences" where here they were saved, and in Acts Chapter 2, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a "second experience" that every Christian needs.

    The problem here is that Jesus gave them the command, receive the Holy Ghost. It doesn't say they received Him!

    I guess my answer to your question would be that when Jesus said this, He breathed in, like to expand His chest, and He says unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    I hope this was not a private conversation. If so, please accept my apology.
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Letter of Jeremiah 1:12 - 3 years ago
    Lisa,

    If God wrote a "tell all book" revealing every mystery, it would draw the same response as the KJV. The majority of people would go their own way, and the minority would seek the Lord with all their heart.

    Isaiah 24:4-5 Describes the conditions of the earth after the beast has taken Babylon, and 3 nations of his own confederacy. Look further down, it is devastating. Isaiah 24:19-20

    Ephesians 6:12 This is true. We fight against powerful rulers of darkness: Governments, Bavarian Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits and all of their ghastly traditions.

    The media outlets are owned by 5 Ashkenazi Jews, they are inherently sinister, practice sorceries. They script fake news we live by.

    "The bible is a puzzle due to the deception of adding & removing words since the roman council nicea of 325 AD" You have to carefully read the Bible and use other like scriptures to assess the story. However altered, it's what we got.

    The 2nd stick in Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:"

    Depicts both houses of Israel coming together ever since the Salomon split, and in a new heaven, earth. This is after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, because ONLY the house of Israel are resurrected as 1st fruits of Christ. Let the Mormon church use the story.

    Daniel 12:4 The Holy Spirit increases knowledge in conjunction with the time line. 200 years ago you couldn't discern the prophets like we can today. The 5-6-7th trumpets, which are separate from the first four, and made for this generation.
  • Chris - In Reply on Ezekiel 37 - 3 years ago
    Assuming that your coded word can mean, 'reference' (to the end of time), we cannot be sure about Damascus' situation in the last days. Isaiah 17:1 declares that Damascus will be destroyed & verse 3 links it to Ephraim. This prophecy was fulfilled in c. 732 BC when the Assyrians attacked the city of Aram (see 2 Kings 16:5-9 for this account): King Ahaz of Judah sent messengers to the King of Assyria for help & deliverance from the invasion by the King of Syria (at Aram). The Assyrian king complied, attacked Damascus & captured it. And the King of Aram (Rezin) was subsequently killed.

    So in one sense the destruction of Damascus was completed, but we know that Damascus was later rebuilt & became quite an influential city in New Testament times, becoming a flourishing major cultural centre with numerous synagogues and a large Jewish community. So there is no more destruction foretold of the city in the Bible, but one could expect that it would figure in the last days as the Anti-Christ sets up his throne in Jerusalem & that whole region will be subservient to him or else face his wrath. Though certainly that region, along with Damascus will suffer under God's Anger in the days of the Great Tribulation. In that case, the prophecy against Damascus is yet to see its ultimate fulfilment.
  • Jim on Ezekiel 37 - 3 years ago
    The destruction of Damascus, would it be a point of trfrtrncr to the rnd of time, when Christ shall appear again?
  • Tim on Ezekiel 37:22 - 4 years ago
    where can i find the lost books of the bible
  • Mishael - In Reply on Ezekiel 37:22 - 4 years ago
    We Gentiles are IN.

    The Jews are OUT.

    They've been spiritually blinded and made spiritually deaf. They are unable to perceive it.

    It will probably be that way until the caught up occurs.

    They are being exposed to Messianic Jewish Christians. Jews returning to Israel: many say that they are Jewish believers in Jesus Christ.

    We are not the Lambs Book of Life Inspectors. This is a work of faith and obedience.

    If they haven't prayed the prayer; they are subject to the tribulation. Plus the blindness and deafness will have been lifted.

    I don't struggle with this in my heart. I pray for the Peace of Jerusalem as ordered by God. Simple obedience. What He does with those prayers are His business.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Ezekiel 37:22 - 4 years ago
    What is the Bible definition of an antichrist and who fits the description.

    1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

    1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Ezekiel 37:22 - 4 years ago
    Israel will not give up their land.

    However, Antichrist will advance to kill them all and they will flee.

    Then Jesus's 2nd Coming.


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