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If Abraham be the father of all nations why aren't we all Jews ?

Verse 17~From a human standpoint Abraham and Sarah having a child in their old age was laughable, but with Jehovah God all things are possible.

I would like to know in Genesis chapter 17 verse 12 had to be bought with money if a stranger to be circumcised

Genesis 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Israel will have a new covenant , that will be in there New Heart written so they don't forget. That is God's promise for Israel, the Kingdom of Heaven.

after reading this chapter I know GOD will work it out,not when we want it to happen IT WHEN GOD wants to,We wants it our way, Thank you Lord.

My point of view on this scripture is that God kept his promise to Abraham even after he went and sinned with Hagar. Now I know that Sarah influence Abraham to go and make a child with her because she could not see how God was going to do it considering her situation and her age. This reminds me of myself and how were compare ourselves to our parents because we think that how it should be but God.

V. 21 - As many times as I've read this chap. - I just now noticed v. 21 - God named 'Isaac' before he was born.

It is awesome that we are worshiping a covenant-keeping God and sad that humans falter in keeping their side of the bargain. The redemption plan of God, a further attestation of the covenant, to keep snatching us from the jaws of everlasting death by sending His Son Jesus to shed His Precious Blood for the remission of our sins still avails for whosoever will.

TO AWAL - GEN. 17:10; GALATIANS 5:2 -- NO CONTRADICTION; THE O.T. WAS A DIFFERENT DISPENSATION OF TIME FROM THE N.T.THE O.T. LAWS WERE PHYSICAL - A 'SHADOW' OF THE N.T. 'GRACE' OF GOD'S SPIRITUAL LAWS. THE O.T. LAWS COULD NOT SAVE US; THEY JUST 'ROLLED BACK' THE PEOPLE'S SINS FOR ONE YEAR, THEN ALL THE SACRIFICISES HAD TO BE DONE AGAIN. BUT THE CIRCUMCISION ONLY ONCE.

I see contradiction in between Genesis 17:10 and Galatians 5:2.between

I love this verse on its spiritual meaning :pirication of the sin,circumcition of the heart removal of sin

it teaches us to always wait an trust God as His timing Is perfect no matter how our circumstances may look an how frustrating we may be we need to pray an God will see us true the long journey to be patient in our needs and not to try an work it out ourselves

Genesis 17:10-11, This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you SHALL BE CIRCUMSISED. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your FORESKIN; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

ARE WE ALL CHRISTIANS CIRCUMSISED LIKE JESUS? WE SAID THAT WE ALL FOLLOWING JESUS. ARE WE? OR NOT?

According to verse 20 and 21, there's a clean and clear difference between a blessing and a covenant. A blessing makes rich but a covenant establishes a relationship. Ishmael only have the blessing but not a covenant with God. Isaac has the covenant which establishes eternal relationship with God Almighty. The covenant is a total package while the blessing lacks certain ingredient which make for life and godliness. Christians are of the covenant while unbelievers may have some blessings.

The power of the covenant God expect perfection on his chosen although this perfection is not an absolute but relative perfection.It is crucial not only to Abraham but also to the church of Christ to be blameless in everything we go through. As in Abraham God was begining a new nation, Abraham should serve as an example of the people that was about to be created.

George, the reason is that he is God almighty. He can do whatever he chooses to do, however in this case of Sari and Abram the almighty was testing their faith in him. Jam. 1:2,3,4 says "My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations v3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith work ethic patience. V4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. God bless us all and in the understanding of his word. All praise be to Jehovah through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ forever. Amen.

Judy, I believe you are correct that was the beginning of the Arab nation.

Are these the 12 princes the origin of the Arab lineage?

I beleive that chp 17 is saying the same thing God says if you do what I say you will be blessed beyond measure

God had made Sarai barren in the first place....leading to the complexity of Ishmael and Isaac....why ?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it. Jeremiah 17:9 The first Adam sought his own will in the first garden and incurred a death sentence for all mankind. The second Adam Jesus Christ said in the second garden- "not my will, but thy will... " Thanks be unto God that we are purchased by the blood of the Lamb and we can confess our sins, John 1:9 and be perfect in Him- Genesis 17:1 and that our "righteousness exceeds the scribes and pharisees " of old.

Is it just me or does Abraham seem arrogant? He is before God, as God promises him land, and tells him that great kings will cone from him. Yet even though God continues to tell him how Blessed he will be, Abraham laughs at what God tells him thinking his own thought in his mind. Then in vs. 20 God lets Abraham know that he heard his comment about Ishmael, almost 2nd hand. In verse 21 it says ,but, first as if reiterating what was said the first time. And then in verse 22 I felt that God went up from Abraham before he could say or think another thing because Abraham was questioning God 's decisions.

God did not establish a covenant with Ishmael as Abraham wished. God said he would bless Ishmael and make him fruitful, but he would continue the covenant he had begun with Abraham only with Issac, whom in Chapter 17 had not been born. It seems that this is a result of Ishmael,s birth being planned by man and not by God.

Hello Bobby rone I would like to add to the last part of my 4 part answer. Those Jews who started the Christian movement was started in Acts 2 38 with the 120 in the upper room and then it spread abroad.

Part 4 of 4 The Gentiles were grafted into the new covenant which makes us joint heirs, spiritual children with Abraham, Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in . If you notice this only says that the Jews were only blinded in part this means that some will still be saved through Acts 2 38. There are some Christian Jews. They do believe that Jesus Christ is the messiah that they had been waiting on.

Part 3 of 4 Fast forward God established a new covenant with Israel and extended that covenant to the rest of the world. The new covenant is the circumcision of the heart through the power of the Holy Ghost by following Acts 2 38. The prophesies are noted in the following scriptures, in Isaiah 28 11 Joel 2 28 and 29 this was what was spoken of in Jeremiah 31 33 and 34 when he foretold of the New Covenant and Ezekiel 36 26 and 27. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. Then Peter repeated the prophesy in Acts 2 16 thru 18. Then Peter further stated who the promise was for in Acts 2 39.

Part 2 of 4 In Genesis 12 1 thru 3, God promised to make of Abram a great nation and bless Abram and make his name great so that he will be a blessing, to bless those who bless him and curse him who curses him and all peoples on earth would be blessed through Abram. In Genesis 15 18 thru 21 God stated to give Abram descendants all the land from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates. Later, this land came to be referred to as the Promised Land or the Land of Israel. In Genesis 17 God changed Abram name to Abraham and continued with what his covenant would be in verses 9 thru 14 to make Abraham the father of many nations and of many descendants and give the whole land of Canaan to his descendants. Circumcision is to be the permanent sign of this everlasting covenant with Abraham and his male descendants and is known as the brit milah.

Part 1 of 4 Hello Bobby rone Frist you have to look at exactly what was the covenant that God made with Abraham. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham. Genesis 15 18 21 describes a part of the Abrahamic Covenant, specifically dealing with the dimensions of the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants .

lets not forget, this was a everlasting covenant 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed and thou shalt call his name Isaac and I will establish my covenant with him for an ' 'everlasting covenant ' ', and with his seed after him. what say ye ???

Hello Ricky Dehaney I do not know if they will post this one either. I would to add to my comment. Galatians 3 24 and 25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. We are no longer under the law. However, we do not throw away the Old Testament.