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yes satan destroyed the earth. that why it was dark and void. we were all with our lord in heaven at one time. when satan wared against our LORD; he didnt do it by himself, is what i understand. im trying to find out the truth. the first will be last and the last will be first. ths first ones to go with satan knew full well what they rere doing, but what i heard is the last half were tricked. so theLORD; put them on the eart first, with less temptation. the first ones to go he put here last. now till the end. the real bad ones. that why our morality has degraded so much. promoteing homosexuality on tv and in our schools and so on. i was told satan is a homosexual. but he will use women, just to degrade them. because he hates them. has anybody heard this. their are so many different churches and everybody tell me somerhing different. i dont know waht to belive.

I enjoyed reading all of your comments. For me though I try remember what issues really matter. My pastor told me once, that if it isn't a a heaven or hell issue, don't argue about it. I also want to say, satin may have raged war in heaven, he however,only did so because he was given his choice. God is the Almighty, there is none greater before or after Him. May you all be blessed with peace and joy, Sister H.

how basic has the FATHER let us know through the Word how all things were created, why must we argue amongst eachother as if to seek favour through ones wisdom of understanding, we could never fully understand, however we can glorify God, give him praise,honour,glory and so much more for who are we but children to question the FATHER's work, for although Job was faithful and true he too also had to be put in his place,
"trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding".

I think the Bible is like an instruction book as well as real stories. I use it when I parent. Genesis is particularly interesting isn't it?

In the book of Genesis where it says let us, he is referring to him and his father making man in their image. Remember Elohim and Yahweh is one. So he and the father made these images. In the beginning was the word which is Elohim, and the word was made flesh wish is Yahshua wish you would have to look at John 1= 1. To understand that there is no separation.

I understand the use of "our image" as refering to "us" as his childern when we where yet angels of God before time began."Elohim the family of God".God then made us flesh in his image."Jer.1;5" as reference to God knowing us before we where flesh.

In Genesis Chapter 1:3 when god created light heaven and earth where not divided i think when we will go to heaven there will be no sun no moon there will be only light

in Chapter 1:17 it says ( And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth)

it means the sun and the moon is just to give the light to earth so in heaven god have other provision for light

Butch - The earth itself and the solar system are older than 6000 years according to Scriptures. It's from the Garden of Eden until now that's only 6000 years old or so.

There is a mistranslation (I think deliberate, but meh) in Genesis 1:2. Where it says the world was without form and void in English Bibles, the original Hebrew is different. The word used for the "was" word is H1961 in the Concordance - hayah. It means became or to become. So God made the heavens and the earth, and the earth BECAME without form and void. Meaning it wasn't that way when He originally made it, and that this earth from the Garden until now is the 2nd making of the planet.

We also know from Isaiah 14:17 that the devil destroyed the whole world once before. The Hebrew word for "wilderness" is H4057 - midbar, which means uninhabitable. This is not the flood event, since God did that and not the devil.

We also know that the devil waged a war in heaven during his rebellion before the Garden of Eden, since he was already the devil at that time. Look around the solar system and see all the destruction, what looks like potential running water, etc. on some of the planets and now there is nothing. The Kuiper belt is believed by many to have been either a planet or a failed planet at one point in time due to the size and location (located where another planet should be). It looks like a giant galactic battlefield basically. It is possible that all the destruction is basically collateral damage from that war. Then God remade the earth for one last attempt, since He said to let everything be established by 2 witnesses.
This is our 2nd try to establish our choice. You don't have to make the same decision, but you will make 2.

In response to some of the comments ( I did not read all of them) Genesis ( and any book of the bible for that matter) should not be read scientifically but spiritually. God's word is alive and it's meant to speak to us in deeper meanings than just understanding something that happened. The bible says that the old testament was a foreshadowing of things to come in the new testament. This chapter shows the beauty of salvation that God had planned from the beginning. Light often times is referred to as God and darkness to sin or death. As far as God saying 'let us' and 'our' goes, this is called a majestic plural. Plural is defined as 'consisting of, containing, or pertaining to more than one.' I hope that this commenter is not suggesting that there is more than one God the bible clearly states that there is only one God: Deut 6:4; 1 Corinth 8:6; 1 Tim 3:16 john 1-15 (this is also a reference to the light discussion for genesis)

"And God said, Let us make man in our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26. Here we see "let us," "our image," and "our likeness." God revealing God's pluralism.

Genesis 1 is action packed. God could have easily decided to do things differently, but he specifically planned in advance and realized the utility of dividing time and giving life day and night with the need for rest in between. He could have easily created life that did not need rest and had no night. It didn't have to have water or land- things could have been so much different, but it was specifically chosen to be this way and I find that amazing that something that is so normal to us that we don't know any different, was specifically chosen to be this way among the unlimited choices of what creation could have been.

Found some scientific errors for the formation of universe.. Can anyone explain to me??? Genesis Chap 1 Vers 3-5 says that light was created on the first day.. Genisis chap 1 Vers 14-19 says dat the causes of light " Sun and Stras" was created on the fourth day. How can the causes of light be created on thefourth day???? later than the light which came in to existence on the first day??????? this is unscientific..

If you look at the creation of the earth in the context of pure science and refer back to original language in it's proper context Moses becomes one of three things.
1- He is the best at guessing about creation.
2- Moses was the greatest researcher of all time.
3- Or Moses was a prophet and was given a short history of the world.
In the original Hebrew Day is "yom" which like day can mean
A- A twenty four hour time period
B- A unspecified time period
C- A event not tied to a time period. Such as many references which say "and in that day" these are not time specific, they are events which often times overlap other event.
Such is the case for the events mentioned in Genesis.
Day 5 is one of the strongest points in favor of the conclusion that Moses was a prophet.
Again referring to the original Hebrew the word Whales was a replacement for the word "Tannanm" (Sp)which means (Long or stretched ones, or sea monster). Again science backs up Genesis.
Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Science indicates that life came from the waters, Fouls were some of the first land animals and "Whales or Tanninm, or what we would refer to as dinosaurs) were upon the land.
Conclusion Moses was either the greatest scientist and researcher of all time or he was a prophet of God. To me it takes far less faith to believe in the bible as the word of god than all the fantastic theories of the Godless.

what is the evening and what is the morning. if God created light in verse 3.and in verse 14 the sun and the moon were creted? explain for me the meaning.

Hey david, simply put, the content of the firmament is the genesis account itself, and as you know it has been reviewed to no end nor resolve... The genesis account which is held to be the words of God and the lone origin to the entire dispute, procaims A firmament 'MADE' created a divide or space between now two waters, above and under, the space or divide between the two was just then called 'heaven' with half or so of the waters on the planet now off of it the 'DRY' could appear and furthermore everything else chronologically in the account can occur... The firmament is the visible declaration of the creation account, not the universe... nor is there any recorded documentation to testify of anything 'prior' to this formless and void condition of the planet He called the dry earth. thereby rendering our history nonexistant... If you might take a little time to indeed view firmament-theresolve, you might be surprised what you could see although this is just a brief vision of what this reason of truth will reveal... take care,

Just to clarify; God created Earth on day one, vegetation on day three and the moon sun and stars on day four. Now since we are able to observe star systems at all stages of development and none that I know of start with planets and then produce suns, I wonder did God simply make an exception when creating the solar system? Also if the Earth is older than the stars, how is it that we are able to see so many of the most distant ones. We should not be able to see anything more distant than about 4.5 billion light years away. Of course things get much worse if you believe in a young Earth because the limit would then be a mere few thousand light years which means we shouldn't even be able to see most of our own galaxy.

Now since the content of 'firmament the resolve' neither appears in any peer reviewed scientific journal nor claims to be the word of God. I fail to see with what authority it speaks!

Finally since Genesis is a Jewish creation 'myth'. I also fail to see what Jesus has got to do with it.

GENESIS 1VS 2
and the earth was waste and void,and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
the earth was dark
nothing exit
the spirit MOVED UPON THE FACE.(AIR) WITHOUT IT NOTHINGS LIVES.SO THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS THE AIR THAT YOU BREATH.WITHOUT IT WHAT HAPPEND,no plant no animal no nothing,all we die.READ THE BIBLE AND BELIVE THAT JESUS IS LORD THEN YOU WE BE SAVE.

Sunil, go to firmament-theresolve dotcom and read the second resolve, garanteed you will clearly see the detail you are seeking, and it will not contradict science or logic. The more of it you read the more you will see.

According to Science Moon doesn't have it's own light, and Moon light borrowed from the Sun.. What this Genesis 1:16 says and What Science says kindly get me the details..
in His service
Sunil

Wow, a sea of controversy, with no apparant resolve in sight, we are all looking in the right area though for truth. The firmament is the visible varification to everything but our inability to clearly see it is the dilemma to our unity. At some point we have been diverted to the origin of the universe as the proclaimation of the source of the dispute, with no documented record of such an account. I wanted to share with you introduced (unknown) information that has been brought to my awareness that you might if found to be interesting, contemplate with your peers, information that would not only shed new light on this ancient question but resolve it as well… It is the best and most clear resolve to this dispute I have ever heard of, and as you know over the last hundred years or so we have heard a lot, to no end or resolve…
Apparently, according to this information we have fallen away from the ‘source’ of the entire dispute regarding the question of evolution or creation of the universe and/or man.
It is not a question of the origin of the universe, rather, according to the SOURCE, it is a question of a FIRMAMENT, that divided the waters from the waters (a mystery this info clearly resolved as well)… Regardless of ‘how’ the origin of the universe; Either way, It only evolved to a huge mass of formless and void rock, suspended in space, covered entirely with water, and UNTIL or UNLESS a firmament was made in the midst of the waters, this huge mass of rock would STILL, be formless and void, suspended in space, covered in water and furthermore, in a state or condition that could not sustain life as we know it ‘here’ to date…
Of course this is just a brief vision of what this reason of truth has to reveal but with just a little time at your leisure, you will find as I, this resolve will not only clearly show the firmament in truth but can restore the validity and authority of the ‘source’ itself…
This short but concise information was stumbled across at firmament-theresolvedotcom …
We are meant to clearly see His testament.
Thank you for your time.
Dushun

No Joey God Inspirict man to wright his word down in a Book what we call the Bible . God is a spirit and man wrote the word of God. In the spirit, and theirfore man or a woman hasn't to be filled with the spirit to under stand the word of God. Even thenthe spirit will only reavel what you need to now it.Turn to Jesus as your sover then you know what is tlling you in in his word

god created the heaven and earth,god did everything in order from the days he started creating,god took time to do this for us,god breathed life into our souls,god did the altimate sacrifice and died for us,in the beginging was the word,and the word was with god,and the word was god...first apostlic church of opelousas,la

I don't mean to start something but there seem to be two different creation stories put side by side, or at least the same one told twice, but with differences. In chapter 1 for example, god makes no mention of the eve from a rib story, which makes me ponder whether or not that was originally there or added later. Second, in chpt. 1 God makes a firmmament between the waters and that becomes heaven, but heaven isn't a firmament is it? And what about the earth? Isn't that the firmament? Then god pulls all living creatures, winged birds and all out of the waters, but in chapter 2 he makes all living creatures out of the ground. These aren't a matter to be conceived as a misrepresentation of the aesthetics of the earth we know now, these appear to be plot holes ( for lack of a better term). Also in ch.1 the fowls and animals were created before man as were the tress, in chapter two they were created after so which is it? I really don't mean to be rude but these are as confusingly off to me as the contradicting stories of how Judas died in the gospels. I may be looking into these things too hard, but if this is the infallable truth, the absolutely incorruptable word of god given to man, then man must be an unfit interpreter.

Really In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

Earth has 3 earth age. Creation Is. 45:19 Beautiful. Jeremaiah 4:20 destroyed. Through the word. Foundations has two translations (ge) beautiful earth) and foundations, katabole or casting down overthrow. Rev. 12:4 satan stole a third oGods children. God got mad. There are kenites, sons of cain amoung us.get a compaion Bible and read appendix 146 "worlds" oh! Yeah! Read them all.

Gen.1:1 is the most scientific scripture, with the most conclusive evidence, than any other, much less any other guesses by vain men, like Darwin. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. There is only 2 basic things , in this world all summed up, in this verse. There is only in this world "SPACE" and "MATTER"! "HEAVEN" and "EARTH" The heavens declare the glory of God.

The first light was Jesus Christ. On the fourth day, when the sun, moon, and stars were created then there is no need for the glory of the Lamb. Refer to Rev. 21:23. This is just in a nutshell explanation, but I assure you when we go over thru the Bible then you will truly understand the meaning of the passage.

OUR GOD IS POWERFUL AND ANYTHING HE DOES IS WISE, WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS VERY SMALL TO QUESTION. OBEY WHAT IS WRITTEN. ONE DAY YOU WILL SEE HIM IN HEAVEN THEN ASK HIM THIS FUNNY QUESTION

We get lost in endless palaver about this and that and thus and so and never advance the "Gospel" not
even "one iota." We can know all there is to know about the Bible; we can quote it verbatim; we can know the Bible upside down and inside out, but if you don't know Jesus it is of no eternal value.

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@lynn: darkness is not an entity but an absence of light. @bobbyj: obviously water WAS created in 1:1. any later mention of water is in the context that it had already been created. @charles: it doesn't seem to me to be confusing. it seems like He was taking special care to create the earth, like a sculptor w/ clay. @insight: how you claim for earth's creation to NOT have happened, is precisely how God dictated it to moses. where is the scriptural evidence for a "first earth age"? this verse is difficult for us to understand because its impossible to fathom the earth not looking like the earth to our human eyes.