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This is a question instead of a comment. I need some help. How do you tell what is hebrew poetry? For example I know that Genesis 1:27 is poetry because it was used in a example in a study I was doing. Other versions change the line breaks when a section is poetry. How do I tell in the kjv?

Hi Brother S Spencer,

Thank you for the reply. That's interesting how two people can read the same verse and come up with different meanings.

So, I'm trying to find verses that say we're immediately saved the moment we decide to follow Jesus (before we're even judged).

Based on what I'm looking for you wrote the following:

" John 5:24. actually says exactly that along with a accumulation of scripture when discerning them properly."

But I read John 5:24 and it doesn't say anything about the timing of being saved. It does not say immediately or anything about "when" this happens and its not even implied as some assume. But if you keep reading at John 5:28-29 it adds a condition by saying after Jesus speaks and dead are raised that "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Some readers imply a sense of timing when reading something even though unstated. I do not believe the Bible implies timing if it is not specifically stated. I will share evidence why:

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Genesis 2:17 KJV

Adam and Eve ate the fruit and did not die immediately, but later. Their death in the form of mortality likely started when they ate this, but they did not physically die until many years later. Some claim they had a spiritual death, but that is not stated.

Another example is: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 1:27 KJV

Some assume this means God already created females, but then in chapter 2 it says how Adam fell asleep and Eve was created. This is an example of how assuming timing when it is not stated is not correct. What this really is is a brief summary overview then chapter 2 goes into more detail about how it happened.

Likewise, John 5:24 doesn't say we're saved immediately.

Man

- A Creature of God

Genesis 1:27

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

-Performance Issues

i.Low resistance to temptation

Genesis 3:13

"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

ii.High level of corruption

Genesis 6:12

"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."

Puzzle

I light of these issues, what is the meaning of "in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."?

Does anyone have the prophecy of scripture to interpret who US is THAT the word refers to in GENESIS 1:26-- " God SAID" let us" --- anyone know the HOLY Spirit interpretation?

Hello

Gailee Question: does the Bible say that there is Woman Angels?

You are MountHoreb replying to a comment by "Gailee":

Angels are Spirits ( John 4:24) in Heaven Jesus explains at Matthew 22:29,30.

if you read about a women in heaven like Revelation 12:1,2 This is symbolic or illustrating the point revelation 1:1.

However, Angels can materialize into a human. or turn themselves into human flesh. we have an

example of the bad Angels who forsook their assigned positions in heaven to have sex with the beautiful woman

on earth. they "took wives" for themselves. according to Genesis 6 these angels are called "Sons of God" because they were created in heaven. Although Angels are either male nor female. descending to earth, angels have this ability. again these are angels who went evil or bad. who went against Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) like Satan the serpent! Matthew 4:1-11; Ephesians

A few examples of Good Angels who had a earthly assignment: Genesis 18 and 19 Chapters.

"Three Men" are materialized good angels. in verse 19 the angels in Sodom struck the mob of boys and old men

who wanted to have sex or lie down with them. so which means these mob of males saw these angels as Males.

There is no scripture that shows that that angels ever materialized into females. for the simple fact that Adam was created first as the Male. Eve was a helper to him, created so he will not be alone. Genesis 1:26; Genesis 2:18; Genesis 5:1,2; Ephesians 5:23; 1 Timothy 2:13,14. However, women on earth are valuable to God also: Acts 2:17

so the overall point here is, No there is no woman in heaven, nor men, nor children. for they are

all angels in heaven as JESUS SAID.

I HOPE These scriptures help. Thanks.

If we go back to Eve. she gave birth ( Genesis 1:27,28;4:1,2;5:25). some of these offspring's died by means of old age,

Genesis 3:19; Genesis 6:3, violance or destroyed by the flood ( Genesis 6:5-7,11-13;17). Only Noah his wife, Shem, Ham, and Japheth their 3 wives survived. that means only eight people survived out of Adams and eve's children and grand children.

The point! not all of Noah's children listened to God. They followed Satan the devil and his lies Genesis 3. when you read about the Canaanites ( Genesis 13:7; Leviticus 18:1-5) this bad nation came through Ham descendance ( Genesis 10:6). or Ammorites, some Noah's descendance created a nation by their family name Genesis 11. When Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) confused their language they all spread out and became nations of people like you see today.

to the point: Abraham was a righteous man who lived in Canaan. but one of God's angels told him to leave Canaan then became a father to a nation of Israel ( Genesis 17:1-8). God name Jacob Israel ( Genesis 32:28). this is how a Nation of Isreal came about. Canaan land later became Jerusalem belonging to Israel the Jews.

However, Israel repeatedly sinned by worshiping other gods. even Solomon the last king worshiped false Gods ( Nehemiah 13:23-27) Jesus turned to the Gentiles which means nation who will believe ( John 3:16,17).

However, their are some Israelites who did believe, but most rejected Jesus.- Acts 1:6-8; Matthew 24:14; 2 Timothy 3:13-17



It's a lot of info. but I hope the bible answered your question HOW A NATION BECAME A INDEPENDANT NATION

The statement about two in a field and two in bed when it comes to the end times seems to indicate there is a part of the world in daylight and part in nighttime setting. There are interpretations also when it comes to what appears to be verses describing the sun and it's course around the earth which some detractors say indicates an earth centered hypothesis. It is noteworthy that the sun itself is moving around through the galaxy; which itself is moving through the universe. The original language may show the intended meaning of things which may have been interpreted; for instance when the King James came out with a midlevel interpretation or some attempt to integrate the original language with the perception at the time. Ultimately; we must trust that God indeed has the truth.

Such concepts also come up in terms of a "gap theory" to explain what appears to be an older universe and an original chaotic one in Genesis 1:2 after the initial mention in Genesis 1:1. There is this; and many other interesting concepts. We do see a universal story of a flood in the Gilgamesh epic; for instance as well as stories of an original creator; and imagery in the original Chinese lanaguage; for instance for the Biblical story. Same thing for the giants; what some say is legend is pretty universal; explaining Genesis 6 and related passages with the sons of god (fallen angels) and their offspring.

When we look to the future; I find the easiest way to explain "global warming" is that the glaciers were part of the flood and collateral damage; the earth is going back to its original state in some way. It appears that the earth and heavens are remade when the elements break down and are recreated in the original language in Peter's epistle. Even death isn't understood; or gravity; or decay (2nd law of Thermodynamics). May we trust God to reveal things in His time; as the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God; hidden to the wicked and revealed to His children.

Indeed GiGi. Even though, as I've learned, that in Hebrew, even a plural word doesn't always imply plurality, but the word must also be seen in context of the verse or passage. As in Genesis 1:1: some might maintain that 'Elohim' here must refer to other gods apart from Yahweh - but the context of the whole passage speaks about a single God Who created & spoke into being all things. So 'Elohim' is both a single & plural word of 'God, gods, judges, rulers, etc.'; then we can know who is being spoken about as we connect the word with the rest of the passage. Then in Daniel 3:25, alongwith the other references I gave in that Book, it indicates that in context with the beliefs & understandings of the Babylonians, they can't have normally envisaged a single Almighty God to the rejection of their own gods. But as we go through the Book of Daniel, we do see instances where Nebuchadnezzar relented, as far as acknowledging the greatness & power of Daniel's God against his own gods (e.g. Daniel 2:47; Daniel 3:26,28; Daniel 4:37; etc.).

And I saw your other post, about you leaving on your short holiday to Arizona. Have a safe & lovely time with your friend - I'm sure you would have wanted to have a longer time away. We have friends in Bullhead City, just across from the Nevada border - and we spent some time with them a while ago, before Covid struck, traveling together in that great State. My prayers are with you & your dear husband left on his own. And what a great opportunity you had to minister to that couple who missed their bus - may the Lord take them further in their journey in life, experiencing what great things God can do for them & in them. Blessings.

In the Beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth! If you can't believe the first sentence of the Bible, you can't believe the rest of the Bible. Either the whole Bible is true, or none of it is true. Genesis 1:1 is the foundation of the Bible.

The foundation of man and creatures' existence is in Genesis chapters one and two. We are not called to be cafeteria Christians where we can pick and choose what we want to believe is true.

Assurance of salvation: Corulers with Christ or coconspirators with the Devil.

It is helpful to go back to the Creation story to see God's original plan and design for man; and the results of the fall. In this segment I will look at the enemy of our souls ( 1 Peter 5:8). Lucifer's fall is covered in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. When we see that narrative play out we see where sin actually originated and the cause was mainly pride. That blossomed of course to violence and other things ( Ezekiel 28:16) which I would briefly propose was an angelic society which may have started in heaven and perhaps led to a judgment between Genesis 1:1 and 1;2 sometimes called the "gap theory". For our purposes we will summarize that there had to be some time for the angels to be drawn to follow Lucifer; as well as to some time after all the angels sang to God's glory at creation before he fell ( Job 38:7-9).

Lucifer was much like man; in the sense that he was created to worship and adore the Lord; made flawless and beautiful and in innocence there was nothing wrong about that. He was a Cherub ( Ezekiel 28:14); therefore at an elevated status much like Adam and Eve were given authority to rule and reign over the rest of Creation in a unique role and status.

The serpent was used by the enemy to deceive through appealing to man's hidden knowledge that could somehow elevate his status and bring them something more than God intended as the real thrust of the temptation. A lack of TRUST in God is where the real issue is; and that of the heart of man which Jeremiah 17:9 makes it clear is desperately wicked. Therefore; what God made had the potential to become corrupted and wicked; in the same token one who is saved is made to glorify God and destined to become as Paul stated a "celestial body" ( 1 Corinthians 15:40). There is a resurrection for all men; but one to eternal soul damnation for the wicked ( John 5:29). The wicked cannot enter the Kingdom of God ( Rev. 21:27).

Good insight. I know God's Word says Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image (not our Image or this image but his one and only Image the Lord Jesus Christ) in the image of God created HE(God the Creator= Jesus) him ( man ). Male and female created he them. (There is Adam) how I know?= Genesis 5:1-2 says so. Now was He the first Adam or the second Adam? I go back to Genesis 1:26:- God Said let us make Man in our Image after our likeness etc etc. Firstly. God doesn't have to let himself make anything. Also was man made or created? And we both know God could never have a likeness. That's Lucifer's big biiiiig biiiiiiiiiiiiig rebellion. No created being can be like God. For God is God alone. And he doesn't have an ( our ) image period.jesus is the only image and he is the only one who can create man in HIS own image. So who is Adam. Was he first? Or second. And who is Us? The Trinity many say? How? When does God have to let himself do anything. He lets us choose all sorts of inventions . Maybe he did let us. And that's the problem. He let us. So JESUS has to come and create us in his own Image. The Lord Jesus Christ. Had to come rescue us from us. Adam was the son of God. Unless my interpretation or reading of scripture is mistaken. Luke 3:23-38- was supposedly -the genealogy of Jesus backwards. Verse 38--Which was the Son of Enos,which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam,which was the son of God. Maybe JESUS died for Adam and Adam is all of US. And if there were never a falling there would never have been any JESUS to create us in his own Image. God's wisdom is absolutely astonishing to me. If you have any additional words im open. If you can refure any of this I spoke with scripture I more than welcome it. For I desire a prophet to judge what I say. Thank you. Thank you for replying. God bless you

Dixon and Julius. In ( Genesis 1:26-27) God (created) man in his own image, in the image of God (created) he him; ((MALE AND FEMALE)) (created) he them. God (created) male AND female here. ( Gen 1:31) Tells us "And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" Now in ( Gen 2:1-4) v1 Tells us "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them" v2 Tells us "on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all the work which he had made" v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. (All things were finished, and God rested on the seventh day) Now in the next verse, v5 we see ((there was NOT A MAN to till the ground)) in ( Gen 2:5-7) God had already (created) male and female on the sixth day, yet we are told in v5 there was (not a man) to till the ground. Now in v7 we see "And the LORD God (formed) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. It wasn't until many verses later that God made Eve from one of Adam's ribs in ( Gen 2:20-23) v23 Tells us "she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" Remember male and female were (created) the sixth day in ( Gen 1:26-28) Then God (formed) Adam of the dust of the ground after He rested the seventh day. And God (made) Eve from one of Adam's ribs so he would have a help meet. The man God (formed) from the dust of the ground (Adam) would be the bloodline that Jesus Christ would come through. There were many people on the earth by that time for Cain to find a wife from the sixth day (creation). Thats why the serpent, (Satan) beguiled Eve in an effort to corrupt that bloodline the Saviour of the world, (Jesus Christ) would come through. Read your KJB along with this and you should have no problem seeing the Truth. Truth matters. Blessings.

Amen and Amen, Pierre1939:

Were you born in 1939, if so your just a little older than myself? I'm a 40's child.

Yes, darkness was over the land from 6th to the 9th hour.

This literally was reality; and is still reality, that darkness has manifest itself even till NOW.

Christ is the LIFE of ALL MEN; though most are in darkness, they don't believe the HOUSE (our body) was made desolate by the death of Christ.

All mankind was made desolate: by his death; dwelling in darkness, and he AROSE, as the DAY STAR, and shined LIGHT (his WORD) into DARKNESS, and the darkness comprehended it NOT.

Creation HAPPEN a second time at Christ resurrection.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth (symbolic of man) was without form or void; and DARKNESS was on the face of the DEEP (symbolic of man).

Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light (Christ is the light of the world), that is was good: and God DIVIDED the LIGHT from DARKNESS.

Genesis 1:5 And God called the LIGHT DAY, and the DARKNESS NIGHT, and the evening and the morning (of his resurrection) were the FIRST DAY.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy SPIRIT (that spirit RAISED the new creation), THEY ARE CREATED, thou renewest the face of the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are children of the LIGHT (Christ in you), and the children of DAY: we are not (children) of the NIGHT, nor of DARKNESS.

God Bless YOU!

I love the bible and this is a really good thing that you are doing

Thousands of years before you, there was a man called Job, and he essentially asked an even tougher version of the same question; that's essentially what Job chapter 3 through chapter 37 is all about.

When Job had finished asking the same questions you are asking, do you know how the LORD began His answer to Job? "Who is this that darkeneth counsel BY WORDS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE?"

- Job 38:2

And again, "Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it."

- Job 40:2

Do you know what Job realized after the LORD was done? " . . . Therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not."

- Job 42:3

To your question, there will be no greater than what the Scriptures have given in the book of Job.

I suggest you read the entire book of Job.

Hello, Asafo,

Rev. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."

I won't be until the return of Jesus on the Last Day that we will receive our full redemption. We will be made new again through the resurrection or translation of our bodies. When that happens, we will never again know sorrow, pain, affliction, persecution, anguish. Jesus will destroy the heavens and the earth and make new heavens and a new earth.

In John 16:33 Jesus says, " In this world ye shall have tribulation: But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Jesus said that this life will be full of troubles. Some due to sin and the corruption of this world: hardships, diseases, etc. And others due to persecution and sufferings because we believe in Jesus and belong to Him.

We can know that the sufferings we experience in this life are intended to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle us in the one true faith that is in Jesus. 1 Peter 5 10

1 Peter 4:12-16 speaks of the our attitude in suffering and trials. We should not be surprised when it happens, rather rejoice and glorify God in our trials.

Asafo, this life is a fallen life. it is marked by our own sinful nature and that of every other person. The world is corrupted because of man's sin. Therefore, God allows things to happen in the lives of Christians to test us and build us up to be able to stand firm under trial and tribulation. One day we may have to face death for our faith in Jesus. We can see our temporary sufferings at the present preparing us to stand in the last days, if we live to be in that time of great Tribulation and apostasy that will come before Christ returns for us ( 2 Thessalonians 2)

But we look forward to the inheritance of eternal life and the full redemption of our body, soul, and spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

When He comes to receive us to Him, He will then bring the wrath of God upon the wicked and the corrupted earth. Believers will be not suffer this wrath.

Hi Asafo, have you checked the common questions area?

I don't think I'll rewrite my previous answers to this, but in summary, by what standard do we assume that dying is bad and suffering is bad?

Everyone on earth dies. Everyone on earth has discomfort and suffering on some level. The implied goal of these questions seem to ignore the afterlife and the goal of serving God. So, what is the priority, short term pleasure or serving God? The question also assumes God's priority is for our comfort. I don't think so. It may have been until the original sin, but if you read in Genesis the creation was cursed to specifically create discomfort. So why assume that God being good would somehow remove the punishment and curse?

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If God is good and all-knowing ,then why is there much suffering in the world and what's God doing or done about it to curb the pending situation

Supporting you argument with tangible bible scriptures

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Hiya Ray but they did eat animals but Paul tells us of a new covenant... Jeremiah 31 :34....A perfect covenant coming...That is gonna make everyone of us perfect...Which was that book of life in the fathers right hand....That Jesus wrote with his own blood . Matt 5:48...Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect....When that which is perfect is come that which is done in parts will be done away with... Rev. 5:1...Ray my belief is when that book in the fathers right hand is opened....We will sing a new song....As we are gonna be married to God....Christ Jesus....I think the animals have just as much right to live as we do.....And grains and fruits taste much better then animal flesh...As for all the Dogs i believe they are truly earth angels....GBU Ray

Acts 10:9-11:18

Deuteronomy 12:15

Hello Ray,

Check out how God instructed Noah after the flood in Genesis 9. the Israelites were commanded to consume a lamb on the night of the Passover before they fled Egypt. God instructed them to drain the blood of animals they eat in the cove4nant at Sinai. He also gave them quail to eat in the wilderness in addition to manna. AS far as the fellowship offering in Leviticus, they were to consume the meat with the priests within the tabernacle.

These are just a few examples. Do you have concordance? You can search in there under meat to find more Scriptural references.

I don't read in the Bible anywhere that God said to kill animals and eat them. God said "I give you herbs and fruit for meat. Please answer this. I don't believe we should kill and eat animals.God did not intend us to do thst.

You are bang on target there Sarah , you have just posted one of the most important posts ever on here and I hope everyone reads it . Why will the mark be on hand or head ? Because they are the parts of our bodies most easily accessible and usually exposed , why hand OR head , head will only be used if you don't have hands . I'm in my fifties and I'm sure by my seventies , if I get there , this will be the situation in this world . Thanks for your excellent clear post .

Regardless if you believe in God or not, this message is a "must-read"!



Throughout time, we can see how we have been slowly conditioned coming to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that the Bible foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?



In the book of Revelation 13:16-18, it states,



"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles-- Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."



Referring to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why so? Revelation 13:17 tells us that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!



These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!



This is where it really starts to come together. It is amazing how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. Here is information from someone named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:



"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for identifying an

Alex1900,

That is not what I said and certainly not what I meant. God is infinite and the Bible reveals only the character and nature of God that He chooses to reveal to us. Our finite minds could never begin to understand every aspect of the character and nature of God.

But God identifies Himself totally with the Word of God, and the Bible with God Himself. As the Bible declares in John 1.

John 1:1-5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So can there be any doubt whatsoever that the Bible has ONE AUTHOR, and that is God Himself.

The point I am making is that we MUST come to the Bible recognizing that the Bible ALONE and in its ENTIRETY is GOD'S WORD. Not merely a collection of books ABOUT God's Word by many authors, or merely CONTAINING God's Word. But it is, in fact, THE WORD OF GOD Himself, that God has given us, form Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:21.

This is not a small or insignificant matter. It is FUNDAMENTAL to understanding what God is teaching as we read and study the Bible.

really to interesting to read and more learn say the bible... blessing you!

Praise God for your wonderful site. I read every day and am asking God for guidance and direction in my life.

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Hi Marty ...Tell your friend that Jesus has died for him at Calvary making a new covenant in his blood for all men....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me.... Romans 10:20...And this Jesus wants to know him, sowing a good seed in his heart...That is gonna result in a birth of a Baby Christ in him...which is the Child of Promise the H.G...Thats y he has to know us, even in the spiritual realm a birth requires a spritual seed....An intimacy

......Thats y Peter said being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever...The living word which is spirit and life...Thus there is a new heart and a new spirit in our near future...Which is true Holiness....Thats y the woman in Rev 12 :5...is giving birth to the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise...Which is the regeneration and multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word...ok....That was the great Promise when God swore by himself Gen 22:17...That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus the sower and his precious seed...An Israel of God... Gal 6:16....And the Children of PROMISE....The Kingdom....Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child impling that new birth you will in no wise enter there in...There is not a day that goes by that i don't thank GOD for what he did at Calvary...That N.C. by his blood....That all inclusive Covenant....I will know them all from the least to the greatest....And they shall all be taught of God... Jeremiah 31:34....If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...Even as Moses lifted up a serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up... John 3 :14....Every one who beheld that bronze Serpent lived, their snake bite was not fatal...The spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death... Romans 8 :2....sometimes we get bit but our snake bite is not fatal if we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. gb