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Hi Chris,

Thanks for your response concerning Jeremiah 4.

Please don't feel that you have to apologize for your disagreement with how I see these verses, as respectful discourse brings forth better understanding.

I agree that the context must be examined and the interpretation of Scripture must be attained before any application to other Scripture is introduced and personal opinions are then formed.

You are correct that Jeremiah 4 is talking about Israel's spiritual condition. In fact, I believe that all the way from Jeremiah 2:1-20:18 concerns prophecies that are addressed to the people of Judah and Israel.

Through Jeremiah, God is letting His people know that they forgot what He remembers in Jeremiah 2:2-3.

In the particular passage of Jeremiah 4:19-31, God is letting His people know that they have become "sottish" = stupid. They have even forgotten how God had once made the earth to become 'without form, and void' (covered with water) and took His light away from the heavens: How He destroyed that first earth and heaven age due to the rebellion of Satan.

The four "I beheld" ( Jeremiah 4:23-26) are the words of God Himself, not Jeremiah, and I believe that He is referring to the condition the earth is found in at Genesis 1:2. I don't think this is a future punishment of Israel, but a reminder of the great Judgment from that time period.

The word "void" is found only twice in Scripture in the form of the Hebrew word "tohuw" meaning a 'vacuity,' an indistinguishable 'ruin.' That is Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23.

You answer so many questions and are a help to many people on this site, and to myself as well, many thanks.

I don't want to bother you with two more questions, but I am typing this out, so.......

I am wondering if you believe in three earth and heaven ages?

Is there a time period before Satan's punishment in the Garden of Eden that you place his fall for his conflict with God?

Thank You in advance,

EJL

I liked the audio bible. What happened to it.

That he is crafty, selfish, wicked n jealous of God

Question

What did God teach to Moses on Genesis 1:2:3:4

Chris,

God's word reveals to us that the earth was "without form, and void." That is found in Jeremiah 4:23. Many people that worship God and Jesus understand this to have happened in the first earth age.

We know the phrase "without form, and void," from Genesis 1:2, and it means 'completely covered with water,' which is what the earth was before the 6 days of re-creation by God.

The 'Scriptural proof' you are requesting from Word 76 concerning people on earth a long time age can be found in Jeremiah 4:25, as God states that there was "no man." This is not reference to the flood of Noah's day, as Noah, his family, and animals, survived the flood. Neither was the heaven black or light taken from the earth at the flood of Noah's time. Neither were all the birds gone.

God declares to His children that they are "sottish," meaning foolish, because they do not care for or desire "understanding" of His word. God then reminds them, and reveals to us, how the earth came to be "without form, and void" and the heavens gave "no light."

We are also told that God did not make a "full end" of that destruction, i.e. the 6 days of re-creation in Genesis 1.

Given in ( Jeremiah 4:22 - 29) is information as to HOW God destroyed and made "desolate" the earth, and that He withdrew His light from the heavens. WHY His "fierce anger" was kindled can be found in chapter 14 of Isaiah ( Isaiah 14:1 - 32). Prophecy concerning the restoration of Israel is given. Within this prophecy, Satan is addressed symbolically as "Lucifer" (look at Isaiah 14:12 - 20)

The word of God does not declare that Eve had 'fraternal twins,' the point being made is that it is possible. Science states that it is possible to have twins with different fathers. I believe this could be a possibility.

We learn and teach with love! Nobody knows everything about Scripture, and we try to understand other peoples points of view with compassion and guidance.

Word 76, right on, keep up the good studying.

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Here are the scriptures of Adams Geneology. Seth was born, and his bloodline carried on Jesus's bloodline. That's who God ordained.

Yes Adam and Eve had other children. But they are not named and there is NO mention of twins.

Mishael

Betty, there are a couple of Scriptures that I know of, that direct a Christian's manner of speaking:

Ephesians 4:29, "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Even though 'corrupt communication' could be perceived to be too general, in Greek it actually refers to 'rotten, worthless, useless, depraved'. I would think that using swear/bad words would fall under this meaning as speech that has no value in it that rather places the person in a baser standing. You could look at Ephesians 5:4 as well, for a similar warning which includes foolish talking & jesting. I would think 'jesting' here is not just humour but with lewdness sprinkled within.

But to answer your question: "who decides which words are bad words and how do they decide, is it just somebody's opinion or is it scripture?" I think the criteria for that would be the source or history of the word used, its meaning & its manner of presentation, both in verbal expression & context. I certainly don't know the history of those words, nor do I wish to, but every now & then something comes up. For example, what some consider a 'mild bad word' such as the extended use of the word 'blood', has its origins in either the Cross or a woman's monthly cycle. But there are other words, such as used in the Bible for 'an illegitimate person' ( Hebrews 12:8), which in itself is an appropriate English word, but when used today and against a person in an angry tone, amounts to swearing. I think you get what I'm saying without the need for further examples!

But Colossians 4:6 says it well: "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." I feel that this is the criterion we need to abide by: how do our words or manner of speaking affect the one hearing us - is it gentle, encouraging, uplifting, informative or 'spiced' up & devaluing us & our message?

Comment:

A whole day has been used up for this controversy. Sometimes you just have to leave it on the throne that Jesus is sitting on. He is the judge. We are to make righteous judgements and on the sinning after Grace has come: this is an issue to leave with Jesus. He will undertake. Live in the light you are given. Beware of teaching Jesus's lambs something else.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1 Corinthians 11:19

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Galatians 5:20

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

1 Timothy Chapter 1

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1 Corinthians 12:25

That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

We are not to go to law with each other.

Mishael

Cheryl. Genesis 1:27 declares that God created man first & did so in His Own Image. That is, this new creation had all of God's attributes (holiness, love, joy, peace, etc.) yet someone who had flesh - unlike God, Who is Spirit. I'm not a Hebrew scholar by any means but from my research into this portion of the Bible, I see the following: The word for Mankind in Hebrew (the original writing of the Old Testament) is, Ha-Adam. So, the first man's name Adam, means 'mankind' (in general).

Then in Genesis 2:22, God noticing that man was alone & wandering around aimlessly (2:18), decided to make another human to be his companion in life & a help to him (2:18). So from a part taken from Adam (his rib), God created another human being & Adam named her 'Woman'. In Hebrew, 'woman' is 'ishshah'.

In Genesis 2:23, we read that Adam named this new creation, Woman, as she came out of man (i.e. made from his body). Now the Hebrew changes as it allows for not mankind, but for the dual genders. The Hebrew then for this man Adam becomes 'ish' and for 'out of man' is 'ishshah'. So we have 'ish' (man) & 'ishshah' (woman, or one coming out of man).

Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Adam could never fully enjoy or identify with the other of God's creation (animals) as they were unlike him. But once, Ishshah was made, he knew that this was special/different, one he could be at one with for procreation, companionship, care & dependency. Then in Genesis 3:20, Ish changes the name of Ishshah & now calls her 'Chavvah', which means 'Eve', because she would be the mother of all living.

Acts 17

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

1 John 5:7.

John 10:30, I and My Father are one.

Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.

NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE,

ARE NOT used. Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, 'Three.'

If we used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it came up with NOTHING for triune and Trinity.

Father God is spirit

The Holy Spirit is spirit

Jesus is called, Son of Man. He is all God and all man. God in the flesh: so He could be the Lamb of God and save us from our sins.

Note these in your Bible. It comes up quite a lot.

Mishael

Chris has a Greek explanation for this.

I was taught that: there is MAN

And WOMAN means, MAN WITH A WOMB

Explore the website and find the Commentary BOX. You'll like that.

Highlight your verse till it turns yellow; scroll down to the Commentary of it.

Please explain Genesis 1 line 27 and Genesis 2 line 22 thanks

I need scripture to answer a question presented to me , who decides which words are bad words and how do they decide, is it just somebody's opinion or is it scripture?

Max, that's an interesting thought you shared. We aren't told how much or what type of Knowledge of Good & Evil that Tree in Eden possessed.

Gen 2:16,17: "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Given this direct commandment & explanation from the LORD, I think that it is safe to understand that God wanted to keep Adam & Eve focused on a couple of things: firstly, to strictly obey His Word under all circumstances in spite of the tasty tantalising fruit before them on the tree. And secondly, and as a result of disobedience, sin would enter into them & they would lose their innocency by knowing both to do good & to do evil - features that were not evident before they sinned since they were created in God's Image in all purity & holiness. So IF 'someone' came to them before their Fall into sin, & talked about committing sin & going against God's Directive, I sense that they would have no understanding of this, as all they knew was according to the holy connection they had with God. We know that the Serpent, the Devil, did come to them, but his thrust was not for them to sin & rebel against God, but to give them a convincing reason why the fruit was a necessity for them. Disobedience & eating that fruit opened up the way to gain that knowledge - a product of Sin. And so for us too, a convincing argument for us to sin is all we need to do so.

Therefore, I don't think that to procreate, to talk, to eat, to sleep, commune with the animals, etc. were anything outside what God had enabled them to do in their unfallen state. But when they tried to hide from God, & likely other actions that the Bible does not detail, proves that sin entered them & they had the ability to know the difference between good & evil & also sense conviction of heart as a result.

Pro-creation. They had not eaten of the Tree of knowledge yet.

What "matters of the flesh" are you thinking of? All 'animal' species intrinsically know what it takes to reproduce its own kind, so maybe you're thinking of some other matter.

Why would man and woman be instructed to go forth and multiply if they knew not of matters of the flesh.

Hello thomas, lol so true!

Youn are correct!!! The day starts when the sun rises and ends when the goes down. NOT in the middle of the night. Good observation. God be praised.

The evening and the morning . As I'm understanding this verse that our tomorrow's does not start at midnight and that the first day start in the evening and ends same time next evening (our first clock if you don't mind ) if there is a 24 hour period ?

I saw where the kjv study bible by Thomas Nelson doesn't capitalize spirit like other kJ bibles in Genesis 1:2, I wonder why?

Mark 1:23 Christ confronts and exposes Satan. Christ finds the evil one in the congregation of the temple. There are many who profess they know him ,but when actually confronted by the truth will run for the nearest exit. That is the effect the true word of God will have on a sinner, Not unlike the demon that resided in this individual. Christ moves first in the direction of the church, even the house of Israel. Finding the prince of darkness residing in the hearts of men. Hidden as it were in the very synagogue. Satan cannot do anything when uncovered by the word of God. He knows who God is, He knows that He is the God of the most high! That Jesus is the Holy one of God!

Genesis 1 line 27 explain for Genesis 2 line 22 explain

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ED, you notice how Stanjett put edible. the exact verse is genesis 1:29. It says THE GIVING OF FOOD..... i know pot is made in edibles now, My advice is not to fall for this trap. I am 40 and the holy spirit recently convinced me of this sin. i had been smoking since i was 14. Here is my reference: Isaiah 5: 12, And the harp and the viol the tabret and PIPE and wine are in their feasts but they regard not the work of the LORD neither consider the operation of his hands. WE are to be of SOBER MIND. i used to think i was even while smoking pot... im afraid its just not the case though.

It's only sin if you know it's wrong before you do it.

Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.

5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

Psalms 128:3 Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and MULTIPLY, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

We are instructed in the word to be fruitful and childbearing --- not get a dog to worship.

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Why did you think your first husband died? Did you proof of his death.

Use center of the page reference columns(with abc letters)

Write the leading scripture and the all the alphabet letters as they occur

Read all that and you should see additional info on the Genesis scriptures.

Take lots of notes