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Chris, I really appreciate your manner of teaching and your tone. I find it easy to learn of a calm, quiet spirit. Thank you. I am new to this KJV site, and it has been such a blessing to learn more, and be more in the Word. Blessings to both you and Bill, and thank you for stirring up my love of the Scriptures....

Thank you for your voice of disagreement, Bill. We have stated our positions - let others who are acquainted with this account be the judge of the matter.

Well Bill, you've stated your point with some strong language. I see that you clearly condemn Esau in what he did, by selling his birthright - and I agree that was very wrong for him to do such a thing. And then you placed the deception on Esau by him not telling his father Isaac what he had done with his birthright. Yes, I can see that also. And then you wrote further on his misdeeds.

And you think that Rebekah & Jacob did no wrong in all this? Are we reading from the same Scriptures? Where was the brotherly love of Jacob when seeing his weakened brother beg him for food? Even the vilest person this day will have some compassion for his siblings. What did he do? He took advantage of Esau's physical predicament to trade food for his birthright. And if this is not enough for any to cringe with amazement & anger, we read further in Genesis chapter 27 of Rebekah & Jacob's further sins. Sins of deception & lies that lay in their hearts.

Esau well said in verse 36, "Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing." And yes, Esau was equally to be blamed for his loss. But the Plan of God had to come to pass ( Genesis 25:23, "And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."). In spite of God's Plan, man is still accountable for the conduct of his life and he will not be held guiltless for his sins.

I totally disagree with you, Jacob did not deceive Esau, Esau sold his birthright for some pottage (red stew), you people keep putting out this false information. Esau knew what he was doing and did not care, you must be of his lineage. Esau did not respect his birthright established by: "THE MOST HIGH". He wanted his cake and to eat it. To make matters worse he deceived his father Isaac, he could have told Isaac: "Father I sold my birthright to Jacob for some pottage. He was an arrogant disobedient son, look what he did married foreign women his father told him not to and: "He caused Isaac and Rebekah grief". You are incorrect Esau's behavior and that of his progeny give us Great cause to reflect on his evil deeds. All his seed does is go in to countries, kill the native people, make wars and spread hate and pollute this world, but his reign of Terror is over, now is the time of: "Jacob" says: "THE MOST HIGH".

Hi Daniel, I suppose that Jacob (Israel) figures more prominently throughout Scripture than Esau, so churches tend to emphasize his 'bad' character. However, Esau was equally to blame for handing over his birthright ( Hebrews 12:16) & then after Isaac's blessing was given to Jacob, throwing a tantrum over his loss.

Yet we also need to bear in mind Genesis 25:21-23. Here, we see that Rebekah enquired of the Lord about the "struggle she was experiencing in her womb". And the Lord spoke about the twins there & how the elder twin would one day serve the younger. It seems that Isaac wasn't aware of this Word from God, or else he, in his old age, had forgotten about it ( Genesis 27:33-37). And of course, Rebekah herself was right in the middle of this debacle & was equally guilty. So none of them are innocent in all this & yet God used the weaknesses of people (their fleshly desires & schemes) to fulfil His Purposes. Maybe, churches & Sunday Schools need to relate the complete story & learn from the mistakes of others & of course, the sovereignty of God.

Genesis 25:1 I've sometimes wondered why the concubine Keturah had to come into the picture here. Abraham had questioned whether he could father a child at 100 years of age ( Genesis 17:17) and he is about 140 by this time. Isaac, his true heir and the son of promise, was at least 40 and had married Rebekah to insure the continuation of the lineage. And one of these sons of Keturah, Midian (verse 2) was presumably the father of the Midianites, who caused Israel so much grief later on ( Judges 6)

No, bowel movement is not mentioned nor implied in the Bible, but we do often see an archaic use of this word 'bowel' in both the Old & New Testaments. I wonder whether this is what you're referring to. If so, then the general understanding of this word is 'one's innermost being, or from the heart, & in some cases refers to the womb & other applications'.

You can check these Scriptures: Genesis 25:23 (the womb); Genesis 43:30 (the heart's yearnings); 2 Samuel 20:10 (the inner bodily parts, such as intestines, stomach, etc.); Philippians 2:1 (love & compassion); etc. So, it is word that has several meanings & applications, but one we wouldn't use now, rather using a word more specific to our intention.

"KETURAH"

Scripture References- Genesis 25:1-6; 1 Chronicles 1:32, 33

Name Meaning-Incense

After the death of his beloved Sarah, Abraham took as his third wife, if we count Hagar as a wife, Keturah, a young woman.

When Sarah died, and Isaac his son married, doubtless Abraham now an old man was very lonely and remarried for the sake of companionship. Keturah is called a concubine ( 1 Chronicles 1:32). Her name is like Kezia, a perfume name. She became the mother of Abraham's six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah who became the progenitors of six Arabian tribes of Southern and Eastern Palestine. Ancient Israelites regarded the Arabs as distant relatives. It was through Keturah's offspring that Abraham became "the father of many nations." The patriarch in his declining years was surrounded by a woman's care and love, and a circle of dear children. Kuyper, writing of the relationships between Abraham and Keturah, says that we cannot think of it as being romantic. It was a marriage in which a less passionately vehement love attains high ethical qualities.

Comment by Mishael:

Some say that Abraham went and brought Ishmaels mother, Hagar, back into the family tent. They did NOT have any other children. Ishmael was Hagars only child.

That can't be right because he married Keyturah, had 6 children with her. They are listed in Abrahams Geneology.

So, your accusation of incest is not truth.

Always read the genealogies!

No Stacey. Esau, as his brother Jacob, were the offspring of Isaac & Rebekah. Satan does not bear physical children - He bears spiritual children, of which we all were once when we obeyed him rather than the living Holy God. When Jesus accused the religious leaders of their wickedness, He said that they were the children of the Devil ( John 8:44): not that the Devil was their physical father, but was their spiritual father as he filled them with his words & works of evil.

So Esau was Isaac's son but because of the deception by his brother Jacob & therefore missing out on the blessing from Isaac, Esau left the home, married foreign women, became wealthy & became the father of the Edomites, as also likely, the Kenizzites & Amalekites. Eventually, the brothers did reconcile (Genesis chapter 33), but it remained that Esau's progeny were never included in Jacob's line. Because Esau did what he did, does not give us any warrant to ever think of him as a product of some demonic relationship.

Is Esau the son of Satan

Comments by Alex about Gen. 25 Jacob and Esau. I love this passage about Jacob stealing Esau's birth right it was just a metaphor that the 3 rd person the H.G. is gonna steal our birth right which was death, The soul that sinneth shall surly die that was our birth right in the spritual realm, that which is born of the flesh is flesh our 1st innerman,our evil and adamic nature but our newman takes him by the heel ( the heart ) In in the natural Jacob stealing esau's birth right was a terrible thing, But in the spirit its the H.G. STEALING OUR OLD BIRTH RIGHT WHICH WAS DEATH. Jacob was the 3 rd person in rank with the H.G. the 3 rd person that is gonna steal our birth right. Behold i come as a thief in th night . Jesus had to die that we might get anew birth right th blood that red pottage. Unless ya drink my blood you have no life in you. Scripture says how are the things of Esau sought out. The H.G. (JACOB )HAD ESAU BY THE HEEL READ ISIAH 49 YOU SEE ANOTHER JACOB A HEAVENLY JACOB. Remember Issac asked Jacob how is it that you have found it so quickly and he answered the Lord has given it to me, This whole Jacob and Esau thing has spritual implications gotta run bbl.

The bible said esau i hate and jacob i love esau was of birth right and jacob was of the promise of god esau blessing came from man jacob blessing came from god it not what man say but god amen

I don't know what any of y'all talkin about because my understanding ain't y'all understand I mean no disrespect but I only know one nation of people that's red and hairy all over today they red when they laugh they red when they cry they red when they's mad and they Hairy all over we Caucasian people period and there is no description of Jacob because Jacob looked like everything else on the face of the Earth at that time which was Brown the Bible is not hard to read it's simple man and woman make it hard to understand but God's understanding is clear at least to me it is

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Wesley's Notes for Genesis 25:31

"Sell me this day thy birth - right - He cannot be excused in taking advantage of Esau's necessity, yet neither can Esau be excused who is profane, # Heb 12:16|, because for one morsel of meat he sold his birth - right. The birth - right was typical of spiritual privileges, those of the church of the first - born: Esau was now tried how he would value those, and he shews himself sensible only of present grievances: may he but get relief against them, he cares not for his birth - right. If we look on Esau's birth - right as only a temporal advantage, what he said had something of truth in it, that our worldly enjoyments, even those we are most fond of, will stand us in no stead in a dying hour. They will not put by the stroke of death, nor ease the pangs, nor remove the sting. But being of a spiritual nature, his undervaluing it, was the GREATEST PROFANENESS POSSIBLE. It is egregious folly to part with our interest in God, and Christ, and heaven, for the riches, honours, and pleasures of this world.

Thus, God hated Esau.

Genesis 25:6

Have you followed Keturah's children? Perhaps some carried gifts

all the way to Christ? Could the gifts been the Faith of Abraham?

That's not true, kindly checkout when Muslims came into existence breathren. Kindly listen this wonderful story by brother veath, it's history. The devil is a liar do kindly explain what u mean by saying that the edomites sre like Muslims today... Go you tube and type in , the origin of the muslims and the Catholic Church by brother Veith

Isaac,

Romans 8:28 basically states that the plan of God will be done through His "elect" children.

God also utilizes Satan's children to bring about His perfect plan, look at Isaiah 10:5, 19:25, Jeremiah 42:18, etc.

The "elect" children of God concerns "predestination," look at Romans 8:29-30, 1 Corinthians 2:7, Ephesians 1:5, 11.

Predestination has to do with understanding that there are 3 earth and heaven ages spoken of in the word of God, 2 Peter 3:5-6 speaks of the 1st dispensation of time; 2 Peter 3:7 speaks of the 2nd dispensation of time; and 2 Peter 3:13 speaks of the 3rd dispensation of time.)

The 1st earth and heaven age ended due to the fall of Satan, and is recorded in Genesis 1:1-2. The earth BECAME without form and void; God did not make it that way!

The 2nd earth and heaven age came into being when the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and God said Let there be Light ( Genesis 1:2-3)

The 3rd earth and heaven age is what all children of God look forward to.

God "did foreknow" ( Rom 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time.

Jeremiah was (foreordained) a prophet BEFORE he was born ( Jeremiah 1:5).

God hated Esau BEFORE he was born because Esau despised his (birth)-right and (likely) followed Satan in the 1st earth age ( Genesis 25:32-34, Malachi 1:3, Romans 9:13, Hebrews 12:16)

Good evening Mr. Mulenga! How do you enjoy reading the Bible if you don't have one? I mean, where are you enjoying your reading from? Just asking!

Remember Abraham's children by Hagar, Sarah, and Keturah represents "many" nations.

Abraham is considered to be the progenitor of MANY NATIONS mentioned in the Bible, the Israelites, Ishmaelites ( Genesis 25:12-18) Edomites ( Genesis 36:1-43]) Amalekites ( Genesis 36:12-16) Kenizzites ( Genesis 36:9-16) Midianites and Assyrians ( Genesis 25:1-5) and through his nephew Lot he was also related to the Moabites and Ammonites.

Believers IN CHRIST, by believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried and rose again, all by grace through faith, WE get the PROMISE by FAITH just like Abraham!

Galatians 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Galatians 3:29

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham is not our father by progeny, but is our father by his example of FAITH!

Romans 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

Revelation 1:14 - His (Jesus) HEAD and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as SNOW; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

(Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black) as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.



Who generally printed the Bibles and built all the churches?

Sub Sahara Africa? NO

Asia? NOT until recently

Europe and the USA = Yes

Many "black Hebrews" claim whites are the children of the devil via Esau and the Canaanites via the Hittites.

Some even advocate the killing of whites to fulfill the command of the Lord to kill the Canaanites

Genesis 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau..

Genesis 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:

Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Luke 22:36 Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Look into this I am not making this up.

essau despised his birthright. jacob have i loved essau have i hated, essau was part of the edomites who were a type of the muslims today,edomites are descendants of esau history repeats itself the the middle east will never have peace till the lord jesus christ will come and settle the issue with great vengence. 2ndthess1-8-9

Remember in GENESIS 25: 23 The Lord said to her, Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger. "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER Jacob even was holding onto Esau's heel as if to hold him back. Before their births, God knew that Esau's descendants would become enemies of Israel for generations to come and He knew Jacob was a man of integrity. He had preordained that Jacob would be in the lineage of Jesus.

Danny Lawson, please read KJV Bible scriptures: 2 Samuel 12:23 Genesis 25:8 Genesis 35:29 Genesis 49:29 Numbers 20:24 Judges 2:10 Luke 22:17-18 Matthew 8:11 Matthew 17:1-3 1 Thessalonians 4:17 psalm 116:15 John 11:21-27.

God knows what you going to do before you do it .god dont make you do it but knows your answer to what you will choose to do.it was already plan before you was born.that why he is god

NO JASON.
ESAU DESPISED HIS BIRTH RIGHT. The Scriptures tell you that.
Gen 25:34
"Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright".

ITS RIGHT THERE.

And God ALREADY TOLD HER WHO was going to have the birthright. It was GODS plan. ESAU WAS ALREADY HATED AND SET FOR DESTRUCTION by GOD.

I love this site, it makes it so easy to live my life knowing I have a bible at all times with me in my pocket. I will raise my children in the name of god, I will obey his every word, I will be his servant. He is my shepherd. I am not perfect, I am nowhere near perfect. But I am a servant who serves in the name of The Holy Savior. He is my life, my love, my father, my friend. No love compares,God

Verse 21~Children are a gift from God as shown here when Isaac was entreating Jehovah God in regards to Rebekah having a child.

It wasn't about which son was stronger.
Two nations were in her womb and one people would be stronger than the other.

No Jason, you are wrong! The Scriptures say that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. Why? Because Esau hated the things of the LORD and despised his sacred heritage; choosing instead to be heathen like the Canaanites his neighbors, and Ishmael the wild man who despised his father Isaac. Esau thought more of his pride and his natural appetites than the holy promise of Christ, and God's covenant!

Incorrect. You say Esau gave up his birthright because he despised it.I dont think that's true at all.Isaac like Esau but loved them both. Rebekah was plotting with Jacob to be deceiving. It's in other scriptures.That's why when Esau said he was hungry Jacob instantly jumped right to him wanting his birthright.The most high NEVER SAID the younger was stronger.Esau was clearly the stronger one.