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Saturday has always been the Jewish Sabbath. Sunday, the first day of the week, is sometimes called, the "Lord's Day" ( Revelation 1:10), & should not be referred to as Sabbath.

Why is Sunday considered the sabbath today when according the genesis it would have been Saturday?

Rick

I was referring to Genesis 2:7 and the Lord God formed man if the dust of the ground , and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

I did not post that God breathed the Spirit into man.

I was referring to the action of God breathing something into man, the breath of life in Genesis, and the Spirit of Life into the apostles in John. God's actions and words are powerful and effective and accomplish His purpose every time

Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

Colossians 2:8-17,

James 2:1-26

Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 2:15,18,22,23, Genesis 3:20, Genesis 5:1-2, interesting it appears by this GOD called them Adam, it was man that named her "Woman & Eve"

Hopefully this is helpful

Through the Adam Genesis 4:25-26, Genesis 5:1-32, comes the line of the living, physically & Spiritualy, Matthew 1:1-16, Luke 3:23-38, John 1:1-5, John 3:15-16, Mark 12:27,

Ashleigh Hope Reading the first three chapters of Genesis has got more to it especially looking up words in

the original language given, some very inspiring details come out. Also don't read quick everything is there

for a specific reason and its like looking at a spiritual Gold mind.

Ashleigh Genesis Chapter two is indeed a continuation of chapter one man being formed of dust of ground and

given breath life i.e. inhale and exhale and help meet and occupation and what NOT to do. The last one he blew it!

If you read Genesis Chapter 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

This means the rest of the chapter 2 is referring to what God performed the first 6 days in Chapter 1. It dispels the notion that man was created before Adam and Eve. It's a continuum not a different creation. I missed this verse in my past readings as well. I decided I would take it slower and digest what was being written. This verse makes sense when read in context. Hope this helps.

A day unto the LORD,

Genesis 1:5, in chronological order of the Bible, maybe not exactly Chronological of actual dates of oldest to newest. 1st reference of day is evening & morning 1st day. Also light day & darkness night. Scientificly can be referenced to earths rotation being a day, approximately 24 hrs. That also in itself isn't completely finite, that's why we have time changes throughout the year spring & fall & leap-year in addition. In that day of creation was the determination as the rotation of the earth? Interestingly the sun & moon were not yet created, Genesis 1:16, therefore was the light from GOD? It does not specify the rotation nor exact hours. Yet classified as "the first day"

Genesis 2:4, it is quoted "in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heavens" as you ask? Here may possibly be the 1st time we can differentiate day being a moment of time, because the previous chapter already clarified/classified 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5,

Genesis 3:8, this may be the perfect example of clearly being 1 actual moment of a 24hr day. It would be interesting to know the different words used for each example from ealier translations & languages. To really study this more thoroughly.

Genesis 3:17 appears to be the 1st time in our translation & English wording that day is plural in multiple yet it was assumed previous as multiple yet as a single moment therefore classified as "a day" Genesis 5:2,

Again we see it Genesis 5:4,5,

Going further outside of Genesis; Luke 6:22-23, also being a moment not necessarily 1 rotation of earth. Luke 10:12, Luke 12:28, Luke 12:46, Luke 17:24, Revelation 6:17,

2 Peter 3:8,10, reading in context 2 Peter 3,

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, Colossians 1:26, there are principles here that help us understand we don't know everything here on earth in the flesh.

Hopefully this is helpful

Krystin I'll present the scripture and you decide man originally was a 3 part Genesis 2:7 formed dust of the

ground and breathed into nostrils breath of life soul which is breath life nothing to do with the spirit which is

eternal. Genesis 1:27 God created man in His image = John 4:24 God is Spirit quote from Jesus Christ, this is not

saying man was a God this is saying with spirit man had a connection with God who is Holy and spirit not of the senses.

When man Adam and eve died in Eden what they lost was their spiritual connection with God the creator and became

body and soul life. When jesus Christ fulfilled His ministry it became available for man to become born again of Gods

gift which is holy spirit so man again had a spiritual connection with God. As it says in 1 Corinthians 2:14 the natural

man cannot know experiencial knowledge the things of God because there is no spiritual connection. When we are born again we receive the spirit of holiness Gods Gift or Holy Spirit wehich is eternal life spiritually.

Krystin,

I am sure you will get different replies on this, my understanding is close to what is in your post. Soul and spirit are two different words but seem to think of being the same and are hard to separate in our mind. What happens to these when we die there are different understandings, does the soul sleep in the earth with the body, or is it immortal and go to two different places?

The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh meaning a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The Greek word psuche meaning the soul, life, self, a person's distinct identity.

The word spirit, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruach meaning breath, wind, spirit, or the Greek word pneuma also meaning wind, breath, spirit, when writing about the spirit.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The spirit goes back to God Ecclesiastes 12:7

The Holy Spirit seals us until when? Ephesians 4:30

We are buried mortal, dead, in corruption and we are raised immortal incorruptible 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

All consciousness ends when we die. Psalm 6:5 Job 14:12-14 Job 17:13-16 Psalm 89:48 Psalm 115:17 Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

We sleep in the dust until resurrection day, the day of redemption. 1 Corinthians 15:51 1 Thessalonians 4:14 1 Corinthians 15:52-54

God raised Jesus from the dead after three days and three nights, so, Romans 8:1 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Have not found any scripture that says we or our soul or spirit is immortal, may someone else provide it if it is in the bible.

God bless,

RLW

maybe it is time to take it down and read it. I hope you do.

The Bible does not teach eternal conscious torment. The consistent testimony of scripture is that "the wages of sin is death," and not eternal life. Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 1 John 5:12. It was the devil who first taught that one could sin and still have eternal life. Genesis 3:4. Jesus came to save us from perishing, and to give us eternal life, not to save us from living forever. John 3:16.

Hellfire is something that takes place at the end of this world, and not at death. John 5:28,29; Matthew 13:40. In it, soul and body are completely destroyed. Matthew 10:28; 2 Thess 1:9. It will consume the wicked into ashes. Revelation 20:9; Malachi 4:1-3; Psalm 37:20. Even the devil will be consumed to ashes. Ezekiel 28:18,19; Isaiah 47:14.

In the new earth, when all sin has been eradicated, there will be no more suffering or pain or death. Revelation 21:4.

This Bible been on my my competer for a long time and I have not use it.

The Hebrew rendering of those applicable verses doesn't given anymore clarity than what we read & understand in Genesis 2:9,16,17: two trees that were specifically mentioned by God over & above the other vegetation given: one of Life (whether for sustaining life & health ensuring eternal life on Earth) & one for the Knowledge of Good & Evil (that which removes man's innocence, giving him increasing knowledge & discernment, both in matters of the world around him & of moral uprightness).

The Command of God to them was not to deny them a fuller knowledge of life (as that is part of the Image of God), for we know that the trees in Eden gave edible fruit & were given to them to freely eat from (v16), but that particular tree was also there to be a test of their obedience to their Creator. They could have partaken of the Tree of Life if they did not sin, but for now forbidden from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. The worth of that tree isn't in question, the worth of A & E's moral integrity is.

What would have happened if they obeyed God even after being tempted to disobey - would that tree still be debarred from them? Could God have said to them, 'Since you passed the test, you can now eat of that tree?' We don't know - maybe God wanted mankind to be kept in innocence into eternity, or maybe after the test would be completed, that tree would have become available so that mankind would increase in knowledge, conforming more to the Image of his Creator. All this is supposition of course.

We no longer see the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, as the sin of disobedience was already committed & that very sin has passed onto all mankind: disobeying our Creator, removing His Lordship over us, & replacing it with ours. But the Tree of Life is seen in the New Earth ( Revelation 22:2), when Satan can no longer deceive us & cause us to sin, & that Tree stands, maybe symbolically, speaking of our restored eternal existence with our God & Saviour.

Shalom brother Stanley. There is only one account of Creation where all were made into being. that is in the 2nd chapter of the book of Genesis. in the 1st chapter of Genesis, God made everything in the spirit and saw that all he had made was good. the He implemented into physical.

Brother Rick. Even after considering what you proffered, I still believe that God, Who created all things, living & non- living, placed both those trees in the garden. The very tenor of that Scripture ( Genesis 2:16,17), compels me to understand that God knew all about that tree, why it was placed there (was it for a test to mankind or have some other implication?), & it's possible future impact.

If Satan could even do something as creating an object from nothing, it seems that God was quite accepting of the tree's presence & His seemingly casual reference to it being there. I understand the question you posed but I still feel that it was something from God that Satan used to cause Adam & Eve to question God's Word & infinite Mercy. Had that tree not been there, or that A & E were not given instruction by God about it, Satan would have surely found another way to get them to doubt, disobey, or depart from their Creator. As brother Jesse shared in another thread, that Jesus Himself was tested by Satan on all points (i.e. the appeal to the flesh, to the eyes, or to one's pride/loftiness), & still Jesus refused to buy into Satan's useless tactics/tests - because the Word of God stands sure & our resilience & joy comes when Satan is rebuffed with the Word & flees. Maybe (& just a thought if there was no Tree), Satan could have convinced A & E to start hunting & killing animals for the sport of it - I would think that that would have come before God as sin - he would have got to us in some way or the other.

Is there two creation?

Hi ChucK Genesis 3: 19 From dust thou art and unto dust thou shalt return because we started

Genesis 2:7 God formed man of the dust of the ground. In true science nothing is ever lost it changes state like

when were gathered together in perfect bodies incorruptable the best state.

Hi Mishael,

Certainly the different "races" came from the descendants of Noah and family after the flood, since his family is the only people left alive after the flood. There were a few generations from the sons of Noah to the Tower of Babel incident.e

I believe that the dispersment of peoples after the Tower of Babel was the major factor in the development of "racial" diversity among humans. I believe that God intervened in the gene pool to select out specific genes for specific groups of peoples to become dominant (i.e. eye color, air color and texture, skin tone, height, facial features). These genes wee present in Noah's DNA but God had to "turn them on" in future generations for them to manifest in certain groups.

Genetics is pretty fascinating. I read about this "turning on or off of genetic markers". I think that God is in control of this turning on and off of certain attributes in people when he create a new person at conception.

I have seen photos of Negroid children with blonde hair and blue eyes, Asian children with blue eyes, etc. So the genetic possibilities are there for God to select. We are all one race with the same genes that can be expressed differently to produce variants of features. These variants do not change anyone's humanness, just how they look outwardly.

By dispersing mankind across the world, God produced such variations repeated in select people groups according to the regions they migrated to, perhaps as an aid for the peoples to adapt to the climate and environment they migrated to or as a way to distinguish one group from another when they interacted. But then again, we really cannot know God's reason for this, on'y speculate.

Moses wrote the first 5 Books. He was moving around working ministering leading teaching and he had a family he was busy.

Genesis has to be read very SLOW. Sometimes a thought in chapter 1; writes on something different. And then the thought gets picked up in the next chapter and added to the first.

I always teach: you will need notebook and paper.

You will GREATLY BENEFIT with a KJV Reference Bible WITH a center of each page reference column. It points to additional info, prophesies past and future; and more.

With Moses writing it shows the leaps ahead and the resuming of an earlier statement.

The Geneologies have references as well. Those are the most interesting stories. That's why I said make lots of notes. Hod allowed it and we must study it and understand the Bigger Picture.

Adams name, means "red" He was ruddy skinned and maybe red-headed.

The Bible does not speak on races. In Nimrods day everyone Spoke the same language. They were building a tower so nimrod could shoot arrows at God. The Godhead ( Romans 1) confused the languages. The people couldn't finish the tower. They migrated to other regions so they didn't have language conflicts.

It's my OPINION, that's when skin tones changed according to other regions and sun exposure, the pigment in skin changed. You'd have to read some books on the evolvement of skin pigmentation?

God is not a color. He is a consuming Fire. He is spirit. Jesus is Son of Man: Human and God. The Holy Spirit is Spirit.

Satan is invisible because he is a created being; that is not HUMAN. He stole DOMINION from Adam&Eve. Jesus got it back on the Cross__because he was born human through Mary. He legally stripped Satan. Again, Satan is not human. Ephesians 6

God likes COLORS. Look at creation!! Animals, bugs, flowers, birds, etc. You cannot accuse God for different colors of people. All colors come from the DUST God used to make MAN. It's in the DNA.

Mishael

Hi Lidia A couple of things to consider Genesis 2:1 the word host [is tsaba or service of them] so God was done with servicing that which He did. the other usage of

tsaba is warfare which would not fit in this context. In Genesis 1:28 God said to subdue or have control over that which

had breath life i.e. fish animals bugs etc. no where do I see for the purpose consumption yet. Then God gives the

purpose of why He gave vegetation in verses 29-31. If there was something other than what we currently know as

mankind the explanation maybe what happened between genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2 where something may have

occurred cataclysmic which may explain dinosaurs or so called prehistoric man, which is why they can only find fossils

because whatever was there got wiped out. This may explain the statement in our image to replenish the earth.

But like that which Chris commented on First Adam [adam means red earth] of the earth 2nd Adam Jesus Christ.

Just giving another perspective.

Hello Lidia. In reference to what you stated, how do you also understand Genesis 1:24,25 (God's creating the creatures/beasts of the Earth) with Genesis 2:19,20? If there were two separate creations of Man ( Genesis 1:26-29), there must of necessity also be two creations of the creatures of the Earth ( Genesis 2:19). So, why do you think that would be? Maybe God wanted to add more creatures to fill the Earth? Or maybe, one can be justified to believe that the creation of living, moving creatures & man of chapter 1 have a direct bearing on their reference again in chapter 2?

And the second problem: the Apostle Paul speaks of the first man Adam ( 1 Corinthians 15:45) as opposed to the last Adam (Christ), a quickening (life-giving) spirit. This would be incorrect, as according to some folk's understanding, that Adam was not the first man at all & there were other human (& animal) creations before them. The question that comes to bare upon is, why were those 'first' created beings not referenced in any other way; did they get lost into oblivion, God showing them no care, except upon this special second creation of Adam & Eve?

The third problem: we have the sin question coming up as well. If we see Adam & Eve commit sin & that sin nature transmitted to all mankind as a result, was that first creation of mankind spared from being caught up in Satan's snare? I say 'spared', as no doubt, in time, Adam's sin would have eventually passed onto them through inter-marriage. And if so, maybe the Great Flood didn't engulf them, as the Flood was God's Wrath upon a faithless, God-forsaking world.

I realize that we don't have answers to such questions, but they are worth considering in light of our separate understandings of this Genesis account & what other questions are raised that should cause us to examine our beliefs & utterances. If there's little support for the 'one creation only' belief, there would also be little support of a 'dual creation' belief, don't you think?

This is known as the 6th day creation ... the different races. Many people read this passage and don't realize or put emphasis on "Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the HOST of them". We were with God in spiritual body and were given the opportunity to become flesh on this earth as God became flesh in Christ Jesus.

In Chpt 1:26 He was speaking to his children "Elohim" meaning God and His children)

Chapter 1: 27 God created them simultaneously and sent them out ...He told them to be fruitful, and multiply and replenish the earth and he gave them dominion as fisherman, hunters and caretakers. (Notice he sent them out and did not place them in a certain place, garden)

Chapter 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Here it explains that everything was finished, plus all the host (races) of them.

Then He states that

2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (This is a specific man, God breathed into his nostrils...this is where Christ genealogy will come from. In the Hebrew scriptures, this man Adam is Et Ha Adam (specific man).

If you think about it, if it was just Adam and Eve that we all came from, women would be giving birth to all different races of children now also.

There is so much information in the book of genesis that God has given us; all we have to do is put aside what man has told us and let God speak to us as we read His word.

Bro Earl,

You are incorrect to say there was no law. God's word is the law. God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of good and evil. He commanded them just like he commands to us to keep his laws in the ten Commandments; Do not kill, do not murder etc. these commands are his laws. There is no difference.

Genesis 2:16

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:"

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Hopefully, this confirms that Adam and Eve broke God's command/law.

God Bless.

Agree more with Glenn, because Genesis 1:26, "them" "over all the Earth"

Rick, please read : Mark 12:27, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:14-15, Luke 9:60, Genesis 2:17,

Genesis 3:20,

John 3:3,5,6,

Numbers 23:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, Leviticus,

Nowhere, is that stated in Scripture. Colossians 2:8

Revelations 22:19,

Hopefully this helps you,

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I felt led to add. Years ago, I actually tried to observe the Sabbath as a Christian who never had beforehand. I learned much

1. to observe a Sabbath: you really have to plan

2 someone has to prepare beforehand

3. Shop for things beforehand

4. It opened my understanding of the scripture & GOD's compassion

Here are multiple scriptures on the Sabbath :

Genesis 2:2,3 (set Sabbath apart), Exodus 16:19-30 (significant differece on Sabbath) , * Exodus 23:11, Exodus 20:11 (blessed & set apart), * Exodus 23:12, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 34:21, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:29-34 (atonement), Leviticus 23:1-10, (seventh day & Passover), * Leviticus 23:21-22, Leviticus 23:27-29 (atonement), Leviticus 23:28-32, * Deuteronomy 5:14, 2 Chronicles 2:4 (forever to Israel), * Isaiah 1:11-18, * Isaiah 56:1-8, * Isaiah 58:6-14,

Jesus observed Matthew 12:8, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Mark 15:42, Luke 4:16,

Jesus set examples on Sabbath * Matthew 12, * Mark 2, * Mark 3, * Luke 6, & many more.

* please note the (*s) these were scriptures that showed compassion & the importance to GOD. (Opposite: Luke 11:42-46 hypocrisy)

By observing the Sabbath do we= Matthew 25:31-46,

Tony Spirit is not passed at birth, when any human is born he is body and soul, the only exception to this that

I'm aware of is John the baptist, even Jesus Christ was not born with Spirit, John 1:32. When an individual gets

born again he receives that which he didn't have before holy spirit eternal life Gods Gift. Now some believe the

spirit and soul are the same.

Spirit life is eternal where as when you take your last breath that's the end of sou life , Genesis 2:7 God formed man, gave him shape then breathed into his nostrils breath of life and he became a living Soul

it is believed by some since God is Spirit that is what he breathed in man. In Genesis 1:27 God created man in His own

Image and In the Gospel of John 4:24 Jesus Christ said God Is Spirit. So man in the beginning was body soul and spirit

when man sinned in Genesis He lost his Most important part His Spiritual connection with God which was bought back by Jesus Christ.

Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.