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Ecclesiastes 4:13,

Norman.

I meant to say a second set of humans "Wouldn't be under Adams curse ".

Norman.

Cain had a wife before he went to dwell in Nod!

Genesis 4:16-17. And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

AND CAIN KNEW HIS WIFE; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

We have no idea how old he was when he slew Abel.

And Adam and Eve could have had hundreds of kids by the time Cain slew Abel. God said be fruitful and multiply, he certainly would have gave them the ability to do it!

If God had a second set of created beings why would remove a rib out of Adam to make woman?

Lets follow the logic being presented and entertain the notion of a second set of beings created.

1) Genesis 2:18. And the LORD God said, IT IS NOT GOOD THAT THE MAN SHOULD BE ALONE; I will make him an help meet for him.

( Now this suggests God's done with creating any other Men.)

God completed his work and rested from all he created here in Genesis 2:2.

and incase we missed it God repeats

himself in the next verse.

Genesis 2:3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God "CREATED AND MADE."

What he do forget to make a second set of men and went back to work on the 8th day?

THE HELP MEET.

Genesis 2:21-22. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Now if God is going to go back to work on the 8th day what's the point in removing a rib from Adam to make Eve?

Now if there was a second set of humans they would have never died because they would be cursed by Adams sin. W

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12.

God bless.

Genesis 1:26, "let them" & please note "dominion over fish of the Sea" so why would he put 1 man 1 woman into a garden HE made after HE told them to take dominion? If you read with Wisdom from GOD as given by asking GOD: James 1:5, You will find GOD is the same yesterday today & forever, Hebrews 13:8, Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2, GOD does not lie nor tempt people to sin: James 1:13, 1Samuel 15:29, never said that was ok, it's contrary: Leviticus 20:17, Therefore understanding GOD's nature read again. Genesis 1:26-29, Genesis 2:7-8, Notice there is distinction between formed here. The Garden may be representative of the Church notice also the command given to the 'man Gen 1:27-28, yet this man was left alone, Gen 2:15-23, Explain Gen 4:14-25, without other people. Please also ask yourself honestly: would parents actually give a daughter to a murderer? It really takes more fake faith to believe the lies of perversion! Those lies have no scripture support!

2Thessalonians 2:10-12, Colossians 2:8, Even to the ' religious authority ' Jesus had to rebuke: John 8:44,

Keep reading The WORD, keep seeking truth GOD loves those that seek HIM Deuteronomy 4:29, 3John 1:3, John 17:17, Zechariah 8:16,

Hopefully these are helpful in your searching for truth

Hi Norman.

This is a reprint with corrections.

To answer your question plainly.

God permitted Brother raise up family by their sister or close kin.

Adam and Eve was the only two God created to multiply the Earth. and he did somewhat manner with Noah.

That shouldn't be a problem being he spoke up Adam from the dust of the Ground.

In Genesis 2:7. He's going over what he has already done in Genesis 1:27.

There is only one creation

God bless.

Hi Norman.

To answer your question plainly.

God permitted Brother raise up family by their sister or close kin.

Adam and Eve was the only two God created to multiply the Earth. and he did somewhat manner with Noah.

That shouldn't be a problem being he spoke up Noah from the dust of the Ground.

God bless.

1 Corinthians 13:12

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

King James Version (KJV)

If you read you see twice God created man, Genesis 1:27

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Is this the answer some think it's not But Gnesis 2:7 is after God finish all his work and rested the 7th day Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, It says generations plural. but then we see verse

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. but we only know in part? 2Corinth3:12 And then we see this, Genesis 6:4

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Hebrews 11:1

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

King James Version (KJV)

In the old testament Adam and Eve had children. Where did their wives come from. They were the first people created

Hi Gigi; I understand you are trying to quote Job 38:7 please read it with me, Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJB the morning stars here refer unto angels and the sons of God refer unto human beings. Therefore; this text is speaking about after man and angels were created, not before they were created. God never calls angels sons of God Hebrews 1:5 Knowing you must be a human being to become a son of God, like Adam Luke 3:38 or like Christians John 1:12 I believe the bible is revealing the angels were created after mankind, as in Genesis 2:8-9 as Adam was watching God create the trees from the garden of God, this was done after God created trees already on the third day and after he rested on the seventh day, meaning this word tree is metaphorical and are the angels, as the prophet Ezekiel reveals in 31:8-9

The Book of Genesis does that. Sometimes it seems Moses wrote something and got interrupted; came back later to write more. So it sorta stops snd gets picked up again in the next chapter; and then he may add to that thought.

It gets much easier to read when you know that. Using a KJV, Study Reference Bible; with CENTER OF EACH PAGE REFERENCE COLUMNS

will have a-b-c notes to show you where the thought gets picked up again.

This what the Commentary on this website has written. Mishael

Wesley's Notes for Genesis 2:24

The sabbath and marriage were two ordinances instituted in innocency, the former for the preservation of the church, the latter for the preservation of mankind. It appears by Matthew 19:4,5, that it was God himself who said here, a man must leave all his relations to cleave to his wife; but whether he spake it by Moses or by Adam who spake, Genesis 2:23 is uncertain: It should seem they are the words of Adam__ in God's name, laying down this law to all his posterity. The virtue of a divine ordinance, and the bonds of it, are stronger even than those of nature.

See how necessary it is that children should take their parents consent with them in their marriage; and how unjust they are to their parents, as well as undutiful, if they marry without it; for they rob them of their right to them, and interest in them, and alienate it to another fraudulently and unnaturally.

Joan,

Eleazier was Abrahams most trusted servant. Eleazier was sent to Haran to get. Wife for Isaac who happened to be Rebekah.

The story is in Genesis 24

Where is rhe story of God sending a bride for Eliazer in Genesis?

I wonder why the first 3 verses of this chapter are not in chapter one. Seems to me that verse 3 is where the introduction ends and then the sixth day starts.

Hello Lyle. I've always understood this verse in Genesis 2:24, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh", as not spoken by Adam, but by the author, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, after what Adam had previously stated in verse 23.

So, it appears that Moses (as generally attributed to be the main author of Genesis), had deduced that from Adam's words 'that this woman has come out of (made from) me & now one flesh', that in marriages after Adam & Eve's creation, the unity of husband & wife are also seen in similar manner: that before God, they are one, though two distinct beings with their own personalities, special functions, & inclinations. This unity was to be indissoluble except by death. And Jesus also quoted Moses in this matter: Matthew 19:3-6. And so the question that was raised by the Pharisees, 'if this is so, why did Moses allow for a writing of divorcement?' And Jesus went on further to explain this special concession given to a demanding Israel was never in God's Plan for marriage & the union of two people.

How did Adam know about a father and a mother? See Chap. 2:24

Hi GiGi.

Excuse my corny humor! No we don't go looking for Cherubim to locate the Garden of Eve.

I agree, we just don't know.

However I don't believe where the scripture says he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, TO KEEP THE "WAY" OF THE TREE OF LIFE. Means God set up a road block of some sort.

It means he set gaurd to keep the way open. My sarcasm was it don't take 2 Cherubim to keep little old me out. Angels are known to be mighty.

And as for Adam and Eve and the garden being here on earth, I've never heard it any other way, I believe the scripture plainly states that.

We also have no scripture on what the earth was like before Adam and Eve sinned.

We do know Adam was "placed" in the garden to dress it. Genesis 2:15. "And the LORD God TOOK THE MAN, AND "PUT" HIM INTO THE GARDEN of Eden to dress it and to keep it". Genesis 2:15

And we do know he drove him out to go back to where he was created to till the ground. Genesis 3:23.

And there they populated the Earth.

Here's another provocative view I have heard.

Here in Ezekiel 28:13-14. If the Garden of God and the Garden of Eve is one of the same this is not the view of Satan we have in Genesis!

In Ezekiel he haven't fallen yet, "If" the Garden of Eve and the Garden of God is one of the same when did Satan have his career in it?

Also see Isaiah 14:12-14.

Would this fit into the Gap theory?

This is not a rhetorical question.

You and I admit we don't know, We only have "our" Perspective. Perhaps someone can help us.

God bless.

I had to look at a couple of commentaries. Write this down so you can view them when you need to.

Go on Google. " Type your scripture: Genesis 2:4, commentaries"

It'll bring up several. I like BIBLEHUB. It's fun to look at other websites too ( within the first 5-10 listings)

>> Pulpit Commentary

Verse 4. - These are the generations is the usual heading for the different sections into which the Book of Genesis is divided (vial. Genesis 5:1; Genesis 6:9; Genesis 10:1; Genesis 11:10, 27; Genesis 25:12, 19; Genesis 36:1; Genesis 37:2).

All of these proposals are, however, rendered unnecessary by simply observing that toldoth (from yaladh, to bear, to beget; hence begettings, procreations, evolutions, developments) does not describe the antecedents, but the consequents, of either thing or Person (Rosen., Keil, Kalisch).

>>[Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament]

The historical account of the world, which commences at the completion of the work of creation, is introduced as the "History of the heavens and the earth," and treats in three sections, (a) of the original condition of man in paradise ( Genesis 2:5-25); (b) of the fall ( Genesis 3); (c) of the division of the human race into two widely different families, so far as concerns their relation to God ( Genesis 4).

Hello Vernice. In Genesis 2:4, the word 'generations' in Hebrew, can be rightly read as 'begettings'. So we could translate that verse as: 'these are the accounts (or, history) of the heavens & the earth and all that proceeded from them'; of their origins & beginnings and of the order of their various aspects & creatures formed to fill them.

May the Lord help you & bless you in your pursuit of reading the Bible through from start to finish. A big task, but one that the Spirit will use to grant you knowledge of the Word & understanding to apply it to your life.

JESUS'S TEACHING ON DIVORCE

Matthew 19

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for Every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, ( Genesis 2:23-24) that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the BEGINNING it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

[Wesley's Notes for Deuteronomy 24:1 Mosaic Law for Divorce]

Some uncleanness - Some hateful thing, some distemper of body or quality of mind not observed before marriage: or some light carriage, as this phrase commonly signifies, but not amounting to adultery. Let him write - This is not a command as some of the Jews understood it, nor an allowance and approbation, but merely a permission of that practice for prevention of greater mischiefs, and this only until the time of reformation, till the coming of the Messiah when things were to return to their first institution and purest condition.]

My best advise is to schedule a consult with your Pastor for prayer and conversation. If children are involved; they suffer emotional closeness issues later. I was divorced, raised the child alone; and never remarried in 39 years. I'm a widower now.

See if you can work things out and rediscover the love you once had.

Mishael

My dear "Sean" in peace. Have you not read lengre? Then you have a lot to look forward to. The scripture you are referring to is found in Genesis 2:16-17. And becouse in Genesis 2:22 and 23 v. its vritten my friend. Genesis 2:22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

after that the Lord took Adam's ribs and provided Adam with the woman. So now imagine that Eva HAD to be an incredibly awkward and naive woman! Who managed and tempted Adam with this fruit before she was made?

To get this right, we must also see here that it was Adam who was told not to eat of the fruit on the tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden. Result: Death was brought into the world. You probably also know that there might be something good in it at the end. Because it says that humans could be more than 100 years old. In fact, Enoch was 365 years old. Among many others, Genesis 5:13-32 please read.

It is very interesting reading. And do it dear you, never give up. Follow the references too :) Good reading in Jesus Christ's Holy Name.

Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,

Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,

Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,

Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.

The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"

Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"

Jocelyn

IF!! you believe the jkv bible. God breathe your soul into your body then, your soul bring you alive

Your soul enters the body with your first breath and leaves your body with your last breath

Genesis 2:7

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

King James Version (KJV

In short, they disobeyed God.

1.) Adam let his wife (eve) wonder about alone in the garden.

2.) Eve let another man speak to her without having her husband present.

3.) Eve added in to Scripture:

"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." - Said Eve Genesis 3:3

However God said "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Genesis 2:17; She could touch the fruit, but she was commanded not to eat it.

4.) Adam listened to Eve, instead of listening to his Father

Satan and all fallen angels are described here as Pharaoh and his multitude, the other shadow and typology name ascribed unto Satan is the Assyrian, these are the two names ascribed unto Satan here in this chapter. His metaphorical name is, the cedar tree of Lebanon, the other fallen angels metaphorical names are cedar trees, fir trees and chestnut trees. Found then in versus 8-9 we have an understanding that goes back to Genesis 2:8-9, regarding when God created the trees from the garden of God, these were the angels. Now we know and are confident that Ezekiel is using metaphors to speak about Satan and the fallen angels, because he states the trees of the garden of God, envied Lucifer. We can affirm that no physical tree has the ability to envy, but angels had that ability when God created them, we can affirm therefore, man is older than the angels, as he was created before them, placed into the garden of God, and then God created all angels in front of Adam. Genesis 2:8-9 Let us also make note, that these fallen angels were cast into hell, or the pit, which is not a common grave, for a physical grave could never hold a spirit like Satan or any fallen angel.

I would like to comment on versus 8-9; the garden of God was taken from the third heaven and brought down to the earth, where God planted it, as this was not created, it already existed. Adam was put into the garden of God, then the Lord created trees in front of Adam, I asked myself the question, why is God creating trees again after he rested, when he did this on the third day of creation? Then I discovered those trees on the third day of creation were taken from the earth, but these trees were taken from the ground of the garden of God, which came from the third heaven. Therefore, this was a metaphor, referring unto the trees as angels. Here we learn that the tree of life, was an angelic body created for the Holy Spirit, later in scripture known as the angel of the Lord, also known as God. The tree of knowledge of good and evil, was a metaphorical name for Lucifer, as he knew and understood both the world of light, and the world of darkness, until he became the god of that world. 11 Corinthians 4:4 The prophet Ezekiel gave us much insight on the trees in the garden of God being angels, as he spoke of it in Ezekiel 31:8-9 In summary, man is older than angels, as he was created before them, furthermore, he watched them being created in front of him, is it no wonder than why Satan tempted Eve and not Adam, as she was not created to see this event happening in the garden.

Glenn If you are saying Adam and Eve only had spiritual bodies can you explain Genesis 2:7 formed dust of the ground

and of breath life I.E. lungs breathing air to support oxygenation in blood.

Rick Haggett Man in Garden of eden lost spiritual connection Genesis 1:27 created in Gods own image [ John 2:24

God is Spirit], God in Genesis 2:7 formed man of the dust of the formed man dust of ground body then God breathed

into man breath of life and man became a living soul[breath life chai nephash] so man was body soul and spirit in the

beginning. When the downfall occurred man lost His spiritual connection with God and only had Body and soul no

spiritual connection. A person born again of Gods Spirit gets exactly that Gods gift of spiritual connection which was

lost in Genesis, that's why Ephesians 2:5 says when we were dead in trespasses and sins born that way all people after

Adam and Eve. The exception of course Jesus Christ. The Gift of God holy spirit is the quickening spirit it is eternal life.

When a christian dies I.E.falls asleep the spirit goes back to god who gave it the body dust of the ground and the soul

when we take out last breath that is the end of soul or breath life. When Christ returns for the church His body those

believed will be raised up and given a body like His glorious body, in the book of revelation the just and unjust will be

raised to face judgement according to the deeds or works. This is my understanding scripturally, the challenge that

presents itself here is biblically some teach spirit and soul are the same identical item but I don't see that scripturally.

The word spirit can be translated life breath wind so this must be understood in context of usage.

there is no more sabbath that was an old testament ordnance to an observer we are not under any obligation for such a rule.

[ Col 2:16 KJV] 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

no work was to be done on that sabbath to picture Christ, no work is to be done to get into heaven we just rest and trust in Christ Jesus

Sabbath has always been Saturday. It has never changed.

Some confuse that with when the body of Christ assembles. The first century church met on the first day of the week Acts 20:7 so some churches modeled after that. But it does not say its a command or anything. We are to follow Christ every day.