Discuss Genesis 38

Kinsman Redeemer.

Part 10.

It is Jesus the Christ that is our Kinsman-Redeemer.

The kinsman Redeemer had two main functions, that of redemption of man, and the justice of avenging evil and sin against His people, Israel.

It is Him that came the 1st time to redeem the world with His blood, and it is Him that will come the 2nd time as the Avenger of blood to save Israel and destroy His enemies wherein the justice of avenging evil and sin is performed.

This is why it is so important that we understand that Jesus was the ultimate example of faith.

He did right what Adam did wrong.

He trusted God even though He would die.

He allowed Himself to become a man, after having spent eternity as God.

On the promise that God would resurrect Him, and restore Him to His state, that Christ would sit in God the Father's throne, until all was fulfilled; and Christ would come the 2nd time to redeem Israel, destroy his enemies and then will sit on the throne of David("And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David" Luke 1:30-32), a throne that He was ultimately meant to rule from (for thousand years until always completed and there is the new heaven and new earth Revelations 20:2-6), for a thousand years.

Endnotes

1. Deuteronomy 25:5-10; Ruth 3:9-12; Genesis 38:8.

2. Numbers 35:12; Deuteronomy 19:6, 12; Joshua 20:3, 5, 9.

3. HOLMAN BIBLE DICTIONARY, Trent C. Butler, Ph.D., Holman Bible Publishers, Nashville, TN, 1991, page 848.

4. God in His wisdom had set up a system where if individuals had no income or food, they could survive in Israel by going through fields after they had been harvested the wheat, and salvage the reminiscence that were dropped. This was referred to as "gleaning a field" ( Lev. 23:22).

5. Ruth 4:5-10.

See Part 11.

John 15:2, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17,18,19, Matthew 12:33, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 6, Luke 8, Galatians 5:22,

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I am of Zerah and Pharez Radford and Buckmaster, Zerah and Pharez both had the Aleph Taw and never lost the Aleph Taw. Go and study the Word. I'll ask you 1??? What's in a Fruit ???. Shalom Wendell Radford, mom was a Buckmaster.

Esau aka Edom, & Jacob aka Israel.

Genesis 25:23-26,

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Who were twins born in KJV

Dav47,

Genesis 4:1, Genesis 4:2, Seems to clearly state these are seperate births. Twins are also seemingly clearly described within the Bible Genesis 25:22-26, Esau & Jacob being fraternal twins, Genesis 38:27, Pharez & Zarah.

We need to be careful not to add to scripture.

Psalms 23,

Rod: Exodus 4:17,

Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,

Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,

Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,

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Judah's firstborn son Er has died, killed by God for an unnamed wickedness. Since Er died without leaving children, Judah has told his second oldest son, Onan, to take Er's widow Tamar as his wife. His responsibility is to have children with her, raising those offspring on behalf of his brother. This was a strong custom in the region at the time, and it would be part of God's law for the nation of Israel ( Deuteronomy 25:5-6).This would ensure that the departed man's line could continue. It would also provide for the woman's care, giving her children to support her as she aged.

Onan doesn't like the idea. According to this custom, the children will legally be considered heirs of his dead brother. The time and resources Onan must provide caring for them won't be part of his legacy. Some portion of his future earnings and estate will go to children who are legally and culturally considered someone else's sons.

In response, Onan deliberately avoids conceiving children with Tamar. If that meant avoiding intercourse with her, his choice would merely have been callous. The later, formal version of "levirate marriage" would include a way for the surviving brother to avoid taking on the new wife ( Deuteronomy 25:7-10). Instead, Onan takes advantage of both the situation and of Tamar. He uses her for sex but interrupts the act at the very end to prevent conception. This is not a single event, but a pattern: it was Onan's choice "whenever" he had sex with Tamar. For that, God will strike Onan dead ( Genesis 38:10).

This sin and its dire consequences inspired the term "Onanism." This word is most often applied to what modern people label as "masturbation." A common assumption is that God punished Onan for self-gratification, or for having sex simply for pleasure. Strictly speaking, however, Onan's sin was how he used Tamar for sex while deliberately avoiding taking the responsibilities

That is not my full testomy Holy breadcrumbs our Lord gave to us o o o o o o o oo o ooo oooo leading away from our idols and our lusts.o o o o o o o o

Hi Jcbu undercover. Child are a heritage from the Lord. The Lord has blessed you. Keep the faith, thank you for the testimony.

This has troubled me for years's.Women controling life ,and death of babies.I allways wanted a big family at least four children if not eight.With boy's ,and girls it was all taken from me when a relationship that I was in a violent relationship the woman 8 months pregnate jumpted out our car with our son in her womb.Because she wanted me to get a vacectomy to no longer have children.Now God has blessed me with two son's ,and two step son's,and two step granddaughters.Yes that was a marriage that ended with a lot of pain,and abuse.God in his mercy ,and grace gave me a widow with two children boy's ,and we went through so much togeather pain suffering but our love has been strong,and beautufull. We pray daily ,and give thanks to God always for what we have.This is my third marriage,25 years together ,and wanted to give other's hope that God will allway's make a way for his children,he loves us all ,and want's the best for us.God bless you all.

There is one example of masturbation in the Bible: Genesis 38: 6-10. There was a custom that if a brother die, his widow could conceive a child through his brother. The line of seed would continue. But this remaining brother refused to participate. He went in unto her, but he did not complete the act of impregnating her. He spilled it on the ground. He died, because it displeased God.

This shows us, that in sexual matters, God sees our intentions. The "marriage bed" is undefined.

Titus 1:15

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Bottom line: it's better to be married; than self-gratifying. These days media demands that we satisfy ourselves, with beauty and power. Handsome partners are more desirable, etc.

In the case of Jacob, Abraham sends the "Servant "(a picture of the Spirit), to fetch him a suitable wife. It was love at first sight.

There is a suitable man for you. You need to be cleansed through prayer and be about a routine of expecting a husband to come into your life. He may not be beautiful, but he's rock solid spiritually. He's probably sitting in church looking for the same as you. Dating is a period of making sure you are compatible SPIRITUALLY. You water his camels :D and be prayerful throughout the process. If your "Jacob" is not in your church, ask the Lord if you can Visit a nearby church. Let Him lead you. God cares for you.

I hope this helps you.

I think this verse will inspire you. The reason being, that when we submit to fantasy and lust, our minds aren't on the Lord.

Philippians 4:8

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

One way to improve self-control is to remove everything that causes lack of it.

Read in Proverbs for wisdom. Titus 1:15 and Genesis 38:6-10 for resolve to honor the Lord with your body. Paul taught that if we struggle with singleness, to consider marriage.

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... Onan robbed God of the opportunity to create a new life from this intimate act. If Onan had not engaged in intimacy at all, he would have disobeyed is father and the custom, but he would not have robbed God. This is why some people believe that contraceptive relations(any intimate act that: does not deposit "seed" into the woman (coitus interruptus, condoms) and any intimate act that: deposits seed in the woman but actions are done to kill or hinder motility of seed by the use of drugs, plugs, jams, and jellies; or any action that causes an abortion (I.U.D. by preventing implantation); or any temporary or permanent action that causes sterility) is wrong since it's intent is to have the pleasure of intimacy but refusing God the opportunity to create a new life in any act of intimacy. This does not mean that every act of intimacy should be to conceive, as conception is not possible on every day of a woman's fertility cycle, nor that people who are infertile should not have intimacy with their spouses. It means that every act of intimacy should be left open for for conception to naturally occur as God wills. I know many will be upset by this explanation, but I feel that so many people do not understand why some people are opposed to contraception due to not having a thorough explanation of this viewpoint. That said, I am not saying that this is my view or that believers need to have this view. I simply suggest that believers consider how seriously God took Onan's actions and be prayerful of how they live out intimacy in their lives. God chose to bond together in one act multiple purposes: union/procreation/pleasure. Does man have a right to break these purposes apart at will just because we can? Normally, couples do not need to add anything to the way God designed the intimacy to cause fertility. But contraception, say opponents, involves an act against this design. I had to wrestle prayerfully with this in my life. May God lead each into his mindset and will.

... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have of her services. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to be intimate with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for immorality. But when she produced Judah's personal effects, he realized that he was the father of Tamar's child. So he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further intimate contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

... moving on with the chapter. Judah's wife died. Tamar realized that Shelah was grown and had not been allowed to take her for a wife by Judah. (Judah was probably afraid to lose yet another son in this endeavor to produce heirs.) After mourning his wife's death, Judah went into town. Tamar heard that he had gone to town, so she removed her widow's clothing and put on the attire of a prostitute and went to town, too. She sat along the roadside (which must have been the common way for prostitute to advertise her availability.) Judah saw her and requested to have sex wit her. Funny how Tamar was expected to dress like a widow and stay out of town and Judah could just waltz right in.) Tamar had a plan and cleverly secured a some of Judah's personal affects to use as a pledge that he will pay her a goat for her services.

Then she went back home and put on her widow's clothing. Tamar did not go to town because she wanted to be a prostitute. She went to town so Judah would chose to engage in sex with her so she could produce an heir for her husbands from within the family. Both she and Judah were wrong to do this.

After 3 months she began to show that she was pregnant. Everyone wanted to have her burned for sexual immorality. But when she Judah's personal effects, he realized that he. was the father of Tamar's child, so he fessed up and also admitted that it was wrong for him to not give Tamar to is son Shelah. It doesn't seem that he ever did. Tamar gives birth to twin sons. (what if she had a girl?) She must have lived as Judah's wife but they lived without having further sexual contact.

This story is very "in your face" with the offenses done and many may be appalled by what happened. But it is a good illustration for us to understand how appallingly "in your face" our sins must be to God. It seems he included this story to teach us something about sin. That thoughts and actions, can be sinful. That acts of commission and omission can be sinful.

The main characters of this chapter are Judah, (Jacob's 4th son; son of Leah), and Tamar. It starts out with Judah taking a Canaanite woman for a wife. We do not know if any of is brothers had married outside the family or not. But it says that Judah had purposely separated himself from the family most likely to find a wife, since Dinah was the only sister and female relative around the area. His brother, Rueben, had slept with his fathers concubine. These boys needed wives at their ages!

From her(Shuah) was born three sons, Er, Onan, and Shelah. When Er was grown, Judah chose Tamar for a wife for Er. Jewish tradition says that Tamar was from Shem's lineage. (Shem lived into Jacob's lifetime.) Tamar did not have children by Er. The text says that he did evil in the sight of the Lord. God slew him. So, the custom was for a brother to marry his sister in law in order to raise up a child as an heir for is brother. Onan was old enough to fulfill this custom. But he did not want to father a child with Tamar. Instead of refusing to have intercourse with her, he chose to have the pleasure without the responsibility of fathering a child, especially for his brother. He used coitus interruptus (pulling out before ejaculation) and ejaculated outside of Tamar. God saw what he did and said it was evil. He slew Onan. I think that both Er and Onan were guilty of the same act: coitus interruptus. Why would God slay both within the context of this story if their sin was not somehow connected.

Some people say that Onan's sin was not wanting to allow for Tamar to become pregnant since the child would be considered his brothers. But it says that what Onan did was evil, not why he did it. If he had refused to sleep with Tamar, God may not have slew him. For me, I think that Onan's primary sin was sexual: coitus interruptus: a from of contraception, because he did it to avoid impregnation. And his secondary sin was is motivation, to not sire a child for his brother.

Good, you're at the right site. Start reading the WORD written inside by clicking the Books, I like Luke when I started that was great to show me as new study who Christ Jesus was, is & is to come. Hover over the scripture here, should bring you straight to it.

Luke 1:1-4, you can continue to read by clicking read full chapter the scroll down, click tab on edges to next chapter, etc. Many people enjoy Psalms, I didn't enjoy it as much as a new beginner study but do enjoy it much more now after years of study.

Psalms 1:1-3,

U may enjoy Exodus, which actually begins in Genesis 37:1-36, continues : Genesis 39:1-23, Genesis 40:1-23, Genesis 41:1-57, Genesis 42:1-38, Genesis 43:1-34, Genesis 44:1-34,

[Note this scripture chapter 44, Genesis, if you noticed we skipped Genesis 38, because it jumps from Joseph to Judah. Now if you read Genesis 38:1-30, you can understand a few things on deeper level = Judah maybe knows painful loss of children at this point in his life & even the difference of love towards children of his "loved wife". Next very importance of Judah's sacrifice for others, resemblance of Jesus sacrifice being beloved Son of GOD. John 3:16, ]also interesting Tamar, bore to Judah the son in Jesus documented lineage Matthew 1:1-3]

Back to story : Genesis 45:1-28, (forgiveness), Genesis 46:1-34, Genesis 47:1-12 (Redemption) Genesis 47:27-31,

Now note: Genesis 47:13-26 , Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 12:10, Genesis 12:11-16, * Genesis 12:13-20, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:6-11, Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 21:8-21, my own opinion Deuteronomy 32:35-36, Romans 12:19.

These moments in Genesis leading up to how & why Israel came into bondage. Exodus 1:1-8, continue reading Exodus 1:22, please continue to read all of Exodus.

One more encouraging note :) Hebrews 11:22, Psalms 105:1-45,

Furthermore on this site under the 1611 Version tab you can scroll to see more history on the Bible.

Hopefully these inspire a new lifetime desire of deeper study

Luke 23:29, Isaiah 54:1, these scriptures exist too. When other women say._..

Luke 1:25, 1 Samuel 1:6, women have cruelly mocked other women many times over this issue & others.

Remember GOD justifies Romans 8:33, Psalms 22:24, be encouraged sis

Proverbs 16:9, Romans 5:1, James 2:22-25,

However the root argument sometimes stem from situational issues of choice which people may be referring to Genesis 38:6-10, then continued reading Tamar was considered "more righteous" Genesis 38:26, pursuing offspring of her dead husbands lineage, which was significant either in justification, reward or preplanned destiny. Matthew 1:3, Genesis 38:29, she is written in the documentation of Jesus lineage. Hebrews 11,

Additional scripture

Act 17:28-29, Malachi 2:15, Isaiah 65:21-24, on their perspective

I hope this was encouraging & helpful

I disagree. No where in the Bible does it say that 'destroying seed' is a sin. People commonly cite 1 scripture in Genesis 38:8-10 as support, but assume it means something other than what it says. God likely gave Onan a command to get Tamar pregnant and further the family line and when Onan disobeyed God (sin), He took his life. The sin was not obeying God's specific command to him, not the spilling of seed.

If someone assumed spilling seed was a sin, then 100% of all men would be guilty of this whether intentional or not, and the same argument could be made for 100% of women too. Consider nocternal emissions which are uncontrollable- if what you claimed was true, you're claiming that a natural bodily function that God created is sin. So, you'd be accusing God of making bodies that automatically sin- that makes no sense. Why would God create something to commit sin against Himself? Also, you'd also be claim that any married couple who uses birth control or protection of any kind is a sin worthy of death. Are you guilty of this and do you deserve to die for your sin? Also, women naturally flush their eggs monthly- so is that also a form of spilling 'seed' as you interpret the scripture. God designed the body to naturally function that way, so you're claiming that either God's perfect design is actually flawed, or you're claiming that God wanted bodies to automatically sin against Him. Neither makes sense.

Or is it possible you might have misinterpreted the scripture? That maybe Onan actually sinned because he disobeyed God for not getting Tamar pregnant? And that maybe it doesn't mean that 100% of all other people at 100% of the time are automatically sinning if they spill seed?

I think the answer is clear, but do pray about it.

Any form of lust is evil and a sin. I think that's a given. God bless.

Thank you to those that comment relating to the chapter just read. All others posting unrelated or future chapters / books just confuses me as a newcomer. Doing bible in a year. Day 12.

We went from Israel (Jacob) story to now Judah. Not sure who Judah is relating to Jacob or we are starting a new story.

Interesting that Judah did not have same fate as his first two sons and she seemed the common denominator for their deaths.

This is from a Commentary on Google. It shows the seriousness of perversion. In most cases it's a death sentence.

Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament:

Whoever cursed father or mother was to be punished with death ( Leviticus 19:3); "His blood would be upon him." The CURSING of parents was a capital crime (see at Leviticus 17:4, and for the plural Exodus 22:1 and Genesis 4:10), which was to return upon the doer of it, according to Genesis 9:6. The same punishment was to be inflicted upon ADULTERY ( Leviticus 20:10, cf. Leviticus 18:20), carnal intercourse with a father's wife ( Leviticus 20:11, cf. Leviticus 18:7-8) or with a daughter-in-law ( Leviticus 20:12, cf. Leviticus 18:17), SODOMY ( Leviticus 20:13, cf. Leviticus 18:22), sexual intercourse with a mother and her daughter, in which case the punishment was to be heightened by the burning of the criminals when put to death ( Leviticus 20:14, cf. Leviticus 18:17), lying (mating) with a beast ( Leviticus 20:15, Leviticus 20:16, cf. Leviticus 18:23), sexual intercourse with a half-sister ( Leviticus 20:17, cf. Leviticus 18:9 and Leviticus 18:11), and lying with a menstruous woman ( Leviticus 20:18, cf. Leviticus 18:19). The punishment of death, which was to be inflicted in all these cases upon both the criminals, and also upon the beast that had been abused ( Leviticus 20:15, Leviticus 20:16), was to be by stoning, according to Leviticus 20:2, Leviticus 20:27, and Deuteronomy 22:21.; and by the burning ( Leviticus 20:14) we are not to understand death by fire, or burning alive, but, as we may clearly see from Joshua 7:15 and Joshua 7:25, burning the corpse after death. This was also the case in Leviticus 21:9 and Genesis 38:24.

You can Google Book plus the scripture to read other Bible Commentaries.

If you live in the USA, you can google your State's laws on it. Some states recognize it;

Others do not. It can't be treated as divorce until someone moves out of the house.

Since God created the first marriage with Adam and Eve, we have to observe His requirements to put away a "spouse".

1 Corinthians 7-9; Genesis 38:8;

Deu. 24:2-5, Hebrews 13:4; Jeremiah 3:14

My comment here, is if God can say 'I'm married to you'..then marriage (a covenant) between two parties is serious and binding. If you bend the rules because society says you can doesn't mean it's the best choice.

I say that because of how it hurts children to live the impermanence of life without one parent. I overheard one day a group of children call themselves, "divorced" kids. Five of them said, I'm divorced, and 1 kid said my parents are married. The 5 told him he was lucky.

Talk it over with your Pastor or the Pastors wife.

2 Chronicles 14:12 So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled.
Zephaniah 2:12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.

Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.

I'm looking 38:2 shuah is a canaanite woman.... she's black!...look up abdullamite a '''holy canaanite city'' .... meaning ---these are black folk--- genesis 9.... ham's son.... u folks kill me! benjamin... england... u stole so much! jus cause u '''stole so much'', u deduce; this means u can perpetrate 10 tribes.. if u were, u woul..couldn't turn backs on ''jews'' put in ovens when then turned up in n.y. harbor! jus theives! john 10:10 the devil came to kill, steal, destroy jesus ''came so we'd have abundant life''; nukes to kill all, abortion, grenades, civil war, ww1, ww2, amer-spanish war filipino-amer, cuba-amer war, vietnam, iraq twice afghanistan, korea, kill, n church, kkk

yes it most definitely is a sin because God opens and closes the womb and by doing that you are defying Gods power

It was not the spilling of the seed that angered God. It was the disobedience.

Is using condoms and other birth control a sin?

People often cite this verse that it applies to Christians today to not spill their 'seed'. Does this mean if you have a nocturnal emission that you're lusting or sinning in your sleep? How do you choose which verses apply today or not- like greeting people with a kiss, covering your head, etc?

sorry thought it was but it was not. I got confused disregard the comment.