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Good Morning, Bro Dan,

Yes, in Romans 11:24 Paul is speaking of the two olive trees. the Gentiles (wild) and the Israel (cultivated). A cultivated tree is one that has been tended to by a gardener. A wild tree has not had that superintendence from a gardener. So, if we work within this analogy, it is clear from Scripture that Israel was cultivated by God over the centuries to be His special, set apart people through whom He would reveal Himself and His eternal plan of all nations from The Seed promised in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham. That Seed being Jesus, the Messiah. God, throughout the history of the nation of Israel, was preparing them receive the Messiah. Israel had the history of God's superintendency. God cultivated them through the giving of His Word through Moses and the prophets. God pruned them through the discipline of captivity and other judgments. Because of all this they should have been ready and willing to receive Jesus. But, they rejected Him.

The Gentiles are the wild olive tree (still an alive tree like the cultivated one, i.e. one humanity). However, the Gentiles were not cultivated by God. he did not tend to the Gentiles like a gardener would tend to their planted trees in his orchards. the wild olive trees (Gentile nations) were allowed to grow at the whim of nature (their sinful nature). The wild olive tree was not pruned for better, healthier growth (spiritual). The wild olive tree was not grown with wisdom from a gardener (the good instruction of the Word or prophets).

So, the Gentiles, (wild olive tree) did not know the true God (gardener). Nor did they know the promise of the Messiah (The Seed). Therefore, they were not looking for a Savior like Israel was. But, according to God's compassion, mercy, and grace, the Gentiles (wild olive tree) will be grafted into Israel (the cultivated olive tree) by faith in Jesus, the Messiah, just as those of Israel who believe in Jesus will remain in the cultivated tree by faith also.

- "Were the sons of god mentioned in the old testament the ones who went in unto the daughters of men and bred the giants (Nephelim)?"

Yes, see Genesis 6. It is plainly stated in v4. This is why God decides to destroy all flesh except Noah who is perfect (whole) in his gene-rations (DNA?). Also see Genesis 3:15 and notice there will be a serpent's seed and the woman's seed.

- "Now I know that angels cannot breed, so that rules them out."

The Bible says that the angels in HEAVEN are not given in MARRIAGE ( Matthew 22:30 & Mark 12:25). It does not say the angels do not have the ability to rebel (we know they do) and leave heaven to procreate with women on earth. Jude 4 references God punishing angels harshly who left their first estate (heaven) and own habitation. Why? Well, cross reference Genesis 6: they cohabitated or married and bore children with women against God's will. Remember the two seeds in Genesis 3?

- "The men who first began to call upon the name of the lord were called the sons of god. So could you clarify for me?"

Actually, this is a myth about the line of Seth. Genesis 4:25 mentions Seth having a son named Enos and then after that men began to call upon the name of the LORD. The Bible does not call them sons of God. Mankind lost that sonship when Adam sinned. It is only restored after the cross when one receives the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12).

- So who does the Bible refer to as sons of God?:

"sons of God"

Referenced 5 times in the OT & is always a reference to heavenly beings directly created by God.

Referenced 6 times in the NT for the saved who are born of God.

"son of God" in Luke 3:38 is reference to Adam when he was created directly by God.

"Son of God" is references 46 times. 45 times in the NT for the Lord Jesus and once in the OT ( Daniel 3:25) is a reference to the Lord pre-incarnate.

God is Love.

He created us with FREE will. Like Adam and Eve we can choose to obey and follow God; or we choose to follow our own wills; often to our own HURT.

God does not forcibly prevent us from making hurtful choices. But He stands at the Ready, for us to come back to Him. To apologize for being self-willful. He doesn't walk away from us. We walk away from Him.

That "voice" of rebellion and chaos, is straight from Satan's suggestions. Learn to recognize it. He wants us to suffer and blame God for it. He wants it to build a wall of mistrust between you and God. Psalm 23 says, "THOU art with me. I will fear no evil."

From my own failures, I come to remember the exact moment that I chose my way..and not Gods. Sometimes we make terrible heartbreaking choices, that we have to live the rest of our lives remembering. But we can be restored fully__if we accept it. Choices. Satan wants us to absolutely Blame God for our choices. Resist that. Own it. Go forward, a wiser person. Like Jesus on the Cross, step on Satan's head. Genesis 3:15. The last part of Genesis 3:17.

Let us turn back to Jesus and be restored newer, more wise of the pitfalls. LOVE covers a multitude of sins. Be wise in Gods eyes; not your own.

Life returns to Joy. Like Jacob had to do_build a memorial of stones and leave the hurtful memories of sin There. You know it's out there. Just purpose to leave it there. You wrestled and came away a little bruised. God changed your name.

Scriptures are not pretty stories. They tell us how to live through hard, hurtful times. How to be restored with more than enough; as Job was in the last chapter. Faithful is He that promised.

Don't give your hard won joy, to satans attempts to cloud your mind with resentment and regurgitated memories. Think upon the memorial mound of stones. It's buried. Leave it there.

You are the object of Gods Love; and Jesus's sacrifice.

Mishael

Hi Brother Ronald.

Thanks for that very great and informal reply!

I would like to share what I agree and disagree on.

However that doesn't make me right on all these events. I hold most of those views apart from Adam is a separate creature from Gen.1.

Here's one reason.

Genesis 5:1-2. seems to put them together. It connects Adam and Eve to Genesis 1:26-28. and also cover the use of the name Adam used for both Adam and Eve.

In Genesis 1. the writer is focused on the beginning. "creation of the whole earth including Man."

In Genesis 2. I believe he recounts the creation with the focus on man, the garden of Eden where he placed him and the dust from whence he came,

Therefore he refer to it as the field.

So this sequence and change of focus in Genesis 2 is to move us on to the next phase in Genesis 3. "The fall in Eden and the serpent"

I don't think you here anything about the Earth In Genesis 3. because the focus has changed to the field. Starting in ch 2, picking up here in Genesis 3:1.

AND AS FOR CREATING IN GEN 1. AND FORMING OUT OF THE DUST OF THE GROUND IN GEN 2.

I believe the writer give more detail out of the creation of Adam putting focus on the dust of the ground because of what happens here. in Genesis 3:19. " In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

How would we interpret this verse without the details of Man/Adam creation in Genesis 2:7. if all we had was the account in Genesis 1:26-28.?

Now this one may sound silly, I understand there's a difference in creating and forming.

But what if you form something out of something you created? Then you have created both.

God created the dust he formed Adam out of. And he was just a big lump of dust until God breathed life in him.

Thanks again Brother.

God bless.

Brother Ronald.

Part 5 of 5.

In Genesis 2:22, Adam finally meets the one who corresponds to him, that the LORD God built to be a helper for him. After meeting the woman, Adam says, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she [this one] shall be called woman, because she [this one] was taken out of man" ( Genesis 2:23). In Hebrew the three occurrences of the demonstrative pronoun this (zt) in verse 23 show Adam's exclamation of the one who rightly corresponds to him. The fact that the woman (i) came from the man () shows that they are made of the same stuff. Adam goes on to name his wife "Eve" because she is to become the mother of all the living ( Genesis 3:20).

Most importantly, in Matthew 19:4-5 Jesus quotes from Genesis 1 and 2 as referring to the same people to make a theological point on marriage. By combining Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 in this way, he in no way regarded them as separate, contradictory accounts of creation. Jesus understood the "male and female" of Genesis 1:27 as "the man" (Adam) and "the woman" (Eve) of Genesis 2:24. Genesis 2 is the beginning of the history of mankind on day six of creation week.

There is no hint whatsoever in Genesis 2 of a group of pre-existing people from whom God elects the first couple, Adam and Eve. Rather it talks about the supernatural formation of the first man (Adam) and the supernatural "building" of the first woman (Eve). The Bible makes it clear: all mankind came from the first man that God created (cf. Acts 17:26).

By Simon Turpin of AiG-UK

Material for research.

God bless.

Brother Ronald.

Part 2.

The key to understanding 2:4 is in the opening Hebrew phrase tldt ("This is the history of"), as it formulates the structure of the book of Genesis. A number of scholars recognize that here tldt serves as a heading that introduces a new section of the narrative. Interestingly, this is the only time the phrase tldt occurs without a personal name, the reason being that "Adam had no human predecessors. The tldt serves two main purposes in Genesis 2:4. First, it "links 2:4-25 with 1:1-2:3. The language of 2:4 looks back to the creation account, just as the tldt in Genesis 11:10 looks back to a line of Shem in Genesis 10:1 and 10:21-31. Second, "its main purpose is to shift attention to the creation of man and his placement in the garden. The setting of Genesis 2 is the garden in Eden, in which the LORD God places the man he creates ( Genesis 2:8, 15). Because there was no man to work the ground ( Genesis 2:5), this is the reason that the LORD God forms "the man" (hdm) from the dust of the "ground" (dm). The description of the creation of the first man is given in Genesis 2:7:

then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Like a craftsman who shapes his material, the LORD God "formed. (yar) the man from the "dust" (pr) of the ground. The word "dust" is not a metaphor. It can only mean literal dust in the context of Genesis 2-3 because it is to dust that Adam will return due to his disobedience ( Genesis 3:19; cf. Job 34:14-15). After the formation of man from the dust of the ground, he is given human life when the LORD God breathes into him the breath of life.

See part 3.

Hi Monte.

Viewing your question it appears you're not asking about the creation of Adam but why the writer uses Elohim in Ch 1 and yehvh Elohim in Ch 2 vs 7. That's a good question, It appears as though there are two separate creation stories. Genesis 1 follows the seven days of creation in a chronological, organized manner. But in Genesis 2, the narrative seems to take a step back and focuses on the day God created man.

I believe the emphasis on the name change in Genesis 1:26. Elohim is used because the focus is on the Godhead in creation so he uses words like "us and our"

And God said, Let "US" make man in "OUR" image, after "OUR LIKENESS": and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

We do know there is one God as the Bible confirms throughout scripture. However I believe these name changes are significant.

Touching on the creation of Man

In Genesis 2:1-9. I believe he gives a

re-account of Genesis 1 with the emphasis on what he formed man out of "the ground" And most Important the breath of life when he breath into his nostrils. Therefore he uses Yehvh Elohim.

If you noticed Adam wasn't the thing was in focus, There is a emphasis on everything else that comes from the ground. And how it was watered!

Adam/Man was put in the Garden from where he was formed to keep it. And it yielded it its fruit.

When Adam sinned he was cast out of the Garden and God spoke this

Genesis 3:17-19.

It's interesting how God uses the rain, the land when speaking of blessings and cursing. ( Famine)

We see this creation of Adam as being the one created in Ch 1 and Ch 2 as one account in 1 Corinthians 15:45. THERE'S OUR FIRST ADAM/MAN. ( Genesis 1.)

Then we go to Romans 5:12. we see that same Adam sin as mentioned in Genesis ch 2 and ch 3.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

BMW.

Part 2.

The Inward Law

The ancient Gentiles were not judged by the same rule as the Jews due to the fact that the Hebrews had a written revelation from God (the law of Moses, and eventually the completed body of the Old Testament Scriptures), while the other nations did not; the Gentiles, therefore, were evaluated by a more general standard than the Jews. Paul wrote:

Romans 2:14-16.

From this text, as well as supplementary data, the following facts can be deduced:

(1) While the Gentiles did not have a written law (e.g., the law of Moses) certainly on occasions they had communications from Jehovah (cf. Genesis 3:9; 4:6; 6:13ff; 12:1ff, etc.), and divine traditions surely were echoed across the centuries.

(2) There is something "written within the heart," i.e., in the human psyche, that "by nature" (physis) urges one to do what he perceives to be right and refrain from what he feels to be wrong. It has been defined as the "natural sense of what is right and wrong" (Thayer 1958, 661). This moral sense cannot minutely define right and wrong, but it can initiate some broad and strong inclinations.

This certainly is evidenced by the fact that Adam and Eve felt guilt after having eaten the forbidden fruit, even before confronted by God ( Genesis 3:7-10). "Condemned by their own consciences, they were ashamed and afraid to meet their benefactor and friend-an inevitable consequence of sin" (Campbell 1958, 32).

"There is no witness so terrible-no accuser so powerful as conscience which dwells within us" (Sophocles). "Man's conscience is the oracle of God" (Lord Byron).

See Part 3.

Wesley's Notes for Romans 16:1

16:1 I commend unto you Phebe - The bearer of this letter. A servant - The Greek word is a deaconness. Of the church in Cenchrea - In the apostolic age, some grave and pious women were appointed deaconnesses in every church. It was their office, not to teach publicly, but to visit the sick, the women in particular, and to minister to them both in their temporal and spiritual necessities. THIS IS THE WRONG STATEMENT.

There is no such thing about deaconness found and literally written in the King James Version Holy Bible Edition 1611 except only the Biblical word "deacon(s)" according to the scriptures of 1 Timothy 3:8-13 KJVS

[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The man is the head of the woman according to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJVS

[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Genesis 3:16 KJVS

[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Ephesians 5:23-24 KJVS

[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Hi GiGi.

Excuse my corny humor! No we don't go looking for Cherubim to locate the Garden of Eve.

I agree, we just don't know.

However I don't believe where the scripture says he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, TO KEEP THE "WAY" OF THE TREE OF LIFE. Means God set up a road block of some sort.

It means he set gaurd to keep the way open. My sarcasm was it don't take 2 Cherubim to keep little old me out. Angels are known to be mighty.

And as for Adam and Eve and the garden being here on earth, I've never heard it any other way, I believe the scripture plainly states that.

We also have no scripture on what the earth was like before Adam and Eve sinned.

We do know Adam was "placed" in the garden to dress it. Genesis 2:15. "And the LORD God TOOK THE MAN, AND "PUT" HIM INTO THE GARDEN of Eden to dress it and to keep it". Genesis 2:15

And we do know he drove him out to go back to where he was created to till the ground. Genesis 3:23.

And there they populated the Earth.

Here's another provocative view I have heard.

Here in Ezekiel 28:13-14. If the Garden of God and the Garden of Eve is one of the same this is not the view of Satan we have in Genesis!

In Ezekiel he haven't fallen yet, "If" the Garden of Eve and the Garden of God is one of the same when did Satan have his career in it?

Also see Isaiah 14:12-14.

Would this fit into the Gap theory?

This is not a rhetorical question.

You and I admit we don't know, We only have "our" Perspective. Perhaps someone can help us.

God bless.

Charla,

Genesis 3:15 is the oldest prophecy in scripture, that Satan would be crushed under His (Christ's) feet. This is going to happen at the second coming of Christ. Also, if you look at Romans 16:20, it says "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly." Again, this will be the fulfilment of Genesis 3:15. It will be Satan's final ultimate defeat when Christ comes at His second coming and Satan is cast away forever.

What does Genesis 3:15 really mean

Hi Kataleanna. There was no other woman (or man) before the Genesis account of Creation. In fact, Genesis 3:20 states it like this: "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living." To be the mother of all living, implies that no one else could have been around, or before her, to bear children & start the human race - to grow & spread.

If there was another woman, man or even another human race before Adam & Eve, then the Bible doesn't declare it, indeed, the whole creation account strongly suggests that this great creative act of God was His first Initiative in preparing & inhabitating the World that He had prepared for His Glory.

Very interesting but sad.

Joseph Smith was a person who lived and led many many people away from the Salvation of Jesus, the Son of God.

The Bible says to FOLLOW JESUS,

Not Joseph Smith__whose remains are inside a casket [which could be dug up and looked at)

Jesus's Tomb was already opened by an Angel; even though it had been sealed closed with a rock that weighed over 1000 pounds.

Six Roman soldiers guarded the Tomb all night. I was told the tomb rock hadn't been laid over. It had been picked up and tossed on top of the Tomb; which was dug out on a hillside. A story told by Jewish Christians for almost 3000 years.

A big riot ensued by the Pharisees accusing the Soldiers of falling asleep.

Mary Magdalene, Martha and another, went to complete the burial tradition; nd saw the empty tomb and alerted the soldiers! Mary Magdalene ran across town to tell the Disciples what had happened. Peter believed.

Three days later Jesus is resurrected and walks out; fully alive. Well over 500 people saw him over the next month. The sightings were recorded. His disciples witnessed Jesus rise through the air up into clouds.

The greatest witness of all, is that all these events were written in the Bible as PROPHESIES, before they began to be fulfilled to the letter. First one being Genesis 3:15. Jesus crushed Satans neck with his foot.

These aren't made up information. They were recorded by Jesus's Disciples; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Later the Bible was made with all of the Books written.

Recently the Jewish Museum in Israel opened to allow people to see the scrolls. Restored and able to be read by visitors in original language. Scrolls can be seen online too.

Jesus is who He said he is: I AM.

I am one of those people who got a peek at Hell. I was a bad person. Isaiah 14. People in it scream non-stop. They are tormented.

Don't go there. Repent and commit your life to Jesus. Signs show he's returning soon. Keep coming in here. We can help you.

Mishael

Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,

Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,

Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,

Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.

The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"

Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"

In short, they disobeyed God.

1.) Adam let his wife (eve) wonder about alone in the garden.

2.) Eve let another man speak to her without having her husband present.

3.) Eve added in to Scripture:

"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." - Said Eve Genesis 3:3

However God said "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Genesis 2:17; She could touch the fruit, but she was commanded not to eat it.

4.) Adam listened to Eve, instead of listening to his Father

I would like to comment on Versus 14-19 God cursed Satan with all fallen angels, with seven curses, all of these are metaphorical. He is cursed below the cattle and beast of the field, meaning they will end up in a better state then he would end up in, because they had a body to fulfil their desires. In curse 3 he would go on his belly, the word belly means spirit, therefore God took away the angelic bodies of all fallen angels from that point until today, knowing that they seek embodiment from others. In curse four, the serpent is cursed to eat dust, this curse is about mankind who was created from the dust of the earth, Satan and all fallen angels feed off of our sins, as this becomes food for him. Curse five, there would be war between him and the woman, meaning the church of Jesus Christ, curse six war would be between her seed, meaning the Lord Jesus Christ and the children of the devil. In curse seven, Satan would destroy the body of Christ on Calvary, but in doing this, the Lord Jesus would destroy his head.

The five curses of Eve were then given, all of these are literal, the woman's sorrow and conception would be multiplied in sorrow, The third curse is about woman bearing children in pain, the fourth curse is about woman's desire to her husband, meaning she will fight him to rule over him, the fifth curse is that the man will rule over the woman.

In the seven curses of Adam, six of them are metaphorical and the last one is literal, in curse one, God cursed his ground, meaning his spirit, soul and body became mortal. In curse two, mankind would eat from the cursed ground, meaning his meditation would be carnal and he would do the evil from his own thoughts, as eating means obedience. In curse three, Adam's ground would produce thorns, the Lord Jesus in Matthew 13 interprets this as the cares and riches of the world. In curse four, Adam's ground would produce thistles, the Apostle Paul interprets this in Hebrews 6 as religion. Please write me for more

Jesus was the son of God before Genesis. From Genesis 1 to Luke 1, mankind waited for Jesus's Genealogy to be fulfilled. Each ancestor was chosen. Hundreds of prophesies were fulfilled.you can read every one of them on Google. Prophesy made and when each one was fulfilled.

The odds of all that being fulfilled by one person is 'infinity to one'. Same thing with New Testament prophesies that Jesus fulfilled. Look for the charts.

Adam had Dominion; which he could have used in the garden to order satan off this earth and into outer darkness forever. But he chose to follow Eve.

Then Genesis 3:15 was in force. On a future day the Son of God became the Son of Man. Mary and Joseph were the ones chosen because of the BLOODLINE of Jesus. By conception he became HUMAN like Adam and Eve, like us. His name: Immanuel: "God With Us." [which coincidentally clearly says Jesus is God; part of the GODHEAD]

Romans 1

Why all of this we may ask? Satan is a created being; an angel. By deception he Stole the Dominion over the earth. He has no human body.

He is illegal on this earth. Isaiah 14 tells us what he looks like. He has no legal right or any power over a practicing Christian. Jesus gave us power and authority to bind and loose; IN HIS NAME.

At the Cross When Jesus shed his blood and died for all mankind. John 3:13-21. Also, the prophesy of Genesis 3:15 was fulfilled. While his body was in the tomb, Jesus went down to hell, preached salvation to the prisoners of Satan; and Jesus took back the keys to death, hell and the grave.

Jesus's bled out on the cross, upon the Earth. His blood and all the humans. He took back everything Satan stole. If we don't rightly divide the Word of Truth and act on it; we will suffer demonic attacks and our loved ones.

Re-read the Bible and SEE the plan of God at work, throughout 1000's of years. Read Job 1. We're living in the days of Noah (Christians) and Jonah (Nineveh society). EVANGELIZE!!!!

Mishael

Hi Chris

The bible says first the physical and then the spiritual. You are saying first the spiritual and then the physical. I'm sorry but you have it backwards. Jesus is first mentioned in Genesis 3:15. He was in Gods mind right from the beginning. In the exodus it is said the rock 1 Corinthians 10:4 that followed them. It says spiritual rock which means the rock symbolized Christ. Jesus Christ was in Gods mind right from the beginning. He was not an actual being until his birth about two thousand years ago.

It says Jesus was conceived in the womb. Luke 2:21. Conception is when two seeds are joined together. Jesus started life as a baby and grew from there.

At Jesus resurrection what did Jesus say to Mary?

John 20:17 I ascent to my Father and your Father and to my God and to your God.

Thanks

Dr. Lee Given that the main subject matter of the bible from Genesis 3:15 to revelation 22:21 is all about

the history of what God had to do to make sure our Saviour was going to be born and accomplish His ministry so

He God could have what He desired originally with Adam and Eve eventually a Family He God being a Father

so to make the statement the old testament laws don't count is at best questionable. The law was given to

educate and protect Gods adopted children from the pagan practices they were surrounded by. Also God all

along was looking for everything to be perfectly right according to all of His creation so that our enemy could

be defeated. So yes the law was temporary Gods purpose, Abraham called Gods purpose, look at the grace in

giving us the comfort of psalms and the instruction of proverbs and everything dealing with Israel. Doesn't

this fit into 2 Timothy 3:16+17 so all scripture is profitable! Also there is still one commandment that fits always

Mathew 22:37-40 on these hang all the law and the prophets its where Adam and Eve started!

Jesus chose not to sin. He is the perfect Lamb of God. His sacrifice for us was acceptable and accepted.

By faith Abraham obeyed God and almost sacrificed Isaac. The willingness and obedience is what saved US.

Generations flew by, bring the sinless blood of Jesus through generations of ancestors; until Joseph and Mary. Jesus would be fully God and LEGALLY human. Satan isn't human. He is an outlaw spirit/fired archangel.

Satan didn't know the plan. All he knew was Genesis 3:15. Many times attempts were made against Jesus in his ministry but he was protected by God. On the day of the fulfilling of Isaiah 61/ Luke 4:18__They tried to stone Jesus.

When Jesus was fasting 40 days He was tempted by satan. Jesus fought back with scriptures. He never sinned in 33 years. He did it FOR US! His children. He fulfilled every single prophesy spoken about Him. Look at the charts on Google. Every jot, every tittle.

The day Jesus was crucified Satan turned the crowd into a demon and Jesus was found guilty. If Satan knew the plan, he would not of done that. THE PLAN WAS THAT THE sinless Son of God would die for sinful mankind: dead, alive and future. He would also TAKE WHAT SATAN STOLE FROM Adam. DOMINION, and the KEYS. He stripped Satan. Hanging on the Cross, Jesus's Blood ran down the Cross into the EARTH. Jesus secured ALL AUTHORITY.

He gave us permission to use HIS NAME, HIS POWER, HIS LEGAL AUTHORITY__to absolutely act in His Will towards earth and man; Satan and demons.

OUR PRAYER LIFE could be powerful. We're Not orphans. We are children OF THE KING OF KINGS, LORD OF lords.

Pray for the lost to come to Jesus. Fight against their spiritual chains of sin. Like Jesus did, Use the Scriptures. Those are your weapons to use against spiritually deaf and blind, sinners.

GO YE MEANS EVERYBODY. The Lord of the Harvest is waiting on the BODY OF CHRIST to join with THE HEAD. Jesus!! Do it.

Mishael

Jim Given everything you showed you are correct He was both, but also their is a physical seed man and a spiritual

seed which is what Genesis 3:15 is talking about because physically a woman does not produce seed. This what

occurred when Mary said to Gabriel be unto me according to thy word and God created in Mary that seed to produce

by the flesh Jesus Christ who Had to have perfect sinless blood because the life of the flesh is in the blood! Therefore

also the line of the physical traced back to david and eventually the believing line to abraham and to the original Adam.

So the first adam corrupted in blood line the second adam sinless blood and never sinned and perfect sacrifice for ours.

You may find what you're looking for in Genesis 1:1. In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

Elohim is used in the plural form.

Genesis 1:26. And Elohim said, Let "US" make man in "OUR" image, after "OUR" likeness: The us and our being used here is embodied in the Elohim. They're not angels. Angels did not assist in making man but the word of God did!!

John 1:1-3. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Elohim is used throughout until you get to Genesis 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.

After he made coats of skin from that day forward I believe he uses the covenant name LORD GOD "YHWH ELOHIM."

In Genesis 3:15. we come to the seed of the woman. That's a reference and title to the Lord Jesus Christ. The term itself is a contradiction Biologically and according to the Hebrew grammar. Biologically the seed is of the man. BUT JESUS WASN'T CONCEIVED BY MAN!! Jesus wasn't tied to Adam genetically. He was the 2nd Adam directly out of the bosom of the Father, meaning out of Everlasting. He's part of the Elohim.

In the Hebrew Genealogies the seed always referenced the man but Jesus Genealogy links directly to God. That's why it doesn't say seed of Adam.

In the Torah Moses referred you to him.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

Acts 7:37-38.

And this is how Jesus refer to himself,

Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

As Moses said, "Like unto me, Hear you him.

God bless.

Hello Rick. You've raised too many issues here to properly deal with, so I might just throw in a few things.

You wrote: "If I'm gonna take a chance of worshipping another God...". There is no other God - God is One God, none beside Him & Who will not give His Glory to another ( Isaiah 42:8). If Jesus was a separate creation, a product of human sexual union, & you worshipped Him, then yes, you & I should fear worshipping another god. But this Jesus to whom you have given worship & made petition, did not enter the world by that means, but from within God's Being. John 8:42, Jesus said: "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." The word used here for 'proceeded' & 'came from', is 'ek or ex'= to come out of, meaning that Jesus is stating that His coming was from within God, that it was God's Initiative to send Him & not His.

Yet your pressing search is for the mention of Jesus in the Torah. I'm not sure why, since the Jews themselves will search not only the Torah, but the Prophets, & the Writings for their Messiah. If we remember this aspect of Jewish history: Israel was a special people; they were still sinners before God; God provided a sacrifice system to appease Him & keep Israel always conscious of their sins; this sacrifice would continue until the coming Messiah, Who would become God's only acceptable Sacrifice to redeem them. But what happened? What was written about God's Provision was given to Israel in the Tanakh (TNK) (T=Torah; N=Neviim; K=Ketuvim) ( Luke 24:44), but they could not see it/they could not discern the messages (right from Genesis 3:15). No, we don't see Jesus' Name in the Torah or anywhere else in the OT; Jesus only became Jesus at His Birth ( Luke 1:31,32); but we see God in the whole Bible & His Plan to bring HIS Salvation to all. We could ask, 'why did God bring forth a human (a Son) to be sacrificed? Wouldn't a perfect spotless lamb made by Him suffice?'

Hi Kimberlee.

I believe you are referring to this verse.

1 Timothy 2:11-14.

I believe that refers to Pastoring the Church. " Where men and women gather in a group setting".

I don't think this is necessarily the church building, If the building was destroyed the church still exists in the gathering of the people. In 1 Corinthians it mentions Churches. "Plural" perhaps meaning, where ever they gather.

1 Corinthians 14:33-36. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all "CHURCHES" of the saints.

Let your women keep silence in the "CHURCHES": for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

That doesn't say they don't minister or teach other women.

Titus 2:3-4. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS of good things;

That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

I don't think it's because they can't teach.

When you look at 1 Corinthians 14:1-40.

It seems it's to keep things orderly is the context. And then It may have more to do with Genesis 3:16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; "AND THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND," and he shall rule over thee.

Some say this is to rule over.

My assertion is speculative.

God bless.

Here are several scriptures I hope answer your questions

* Psalms 139,

Genesis 3:8, Genesis 4:16, Jonah 1:3, 2 Corinthians 3:17, Psalms 95:2, Psalms 16:11,

Deuteronomy 11:10-13, Leviticus 22:3, Psalms 114:7, Psalms 68:8, Psalms 97:5, Romans 8:16, 1 Kings 9:3, 2 Chronicles 2:16-19, Job 10:4, Psalms 11:4, Psalms 34:15, Psalms 145:14-16, Proverbs 5:21, Proverbs 15:3, Hebrews 4:11-14, 1 Peter 3:12, Ecclesiasticus 15:19, Ecclesiasticus 17:15,19, Ecclesiasticus 34:16, Ecclesiasticus 39:19,

Hebrews 9:24,

Jude 1:24,

Revelation 19:6,

Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 2:15,18,22,23, Genesis 3:20, Genesis 5:1-2, interesting it appears by this GOD called them Adam, it was man that named her "Woman & Eve"

Hopefully this is helpful

Through the Adam Genesis 4:25-26, Genesis 5:1-32, comes the line of the living, physically & Spiritualy, Matthew 1:1-16, Luke 3:23-38, John 1:1-5, John 3:15-16, Mark 12:27,

A day unto the LORD,

Genesis 1:5, in chronological order of the Bible, maybe not exactly Chronological of actual dates of oldest to newest. 1st reference of day is evening & morning 1st day. Also light day & darkness night. Scientificly can be referenced to earths rotation being a day, approximately 24 hrs. That also in itself isn't completely finite, that's why we have time changes throughout the year spring & fall & leap-year in addition. In that day of creation was the determination as the rotation of the earth? Interestingly the sun & moon were not yet created, Genesis 1:16, therefore was the light from GOD? It does not specify the rotation nor exact hours. Yet classified as "the first day"

Genesis 2:4, it is quoted "in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heavens" as you ask? Here may possibly be the 1st time we can differentiate day being a moment of time, because the previous chapter already clarified/classified 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5,

Genesis 3:8, this may be the perfect example of clearly being 1 actual moment of a 24hr day. It would be interesting to know the different words used for each example from ealier translations & languages. To really study this more thoroughly.

Genesis 3:17 appears to be the 1st time in our translation & English wording that day is plural in multiple yet it was assumed previous as multiple yet as a single moment therefore classified as "a day" Genesis 5:2,

Again we see it Genesis 5:4,5,

Going further outside of Genesis; Luke 6:22-23, also being a moment not necessarily 1 rotation of earth. Luke 10:12, Luke 12:28, Luke 12:46, Luke 17:24, Revelation 6:17,

2 Peter 3:8,10, reading in context 2 Peter 3,

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, Colossians 1:26, there are principles here that help us understand we don't know everything here on earth in the flesh.

Hopefully this is helpful

It might help your studies to get

A King James Reference Bible WITH center of EACH page, Reference columns.

Each verse may have other scriptures in later pages that shed light on the verse you are currently studying. More info, future tie-in's, past tie-in's; fulfilled prophesies.

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. He'd be writing along and might have been interrupted? He was writing on scrolls. In some chapters the continuity is flowing; it picks up another idea, then it refers backward.

I always advise to take notes in Genesis and leave room for your own references. Read all the Geneologies.

There is no such thing as evolution which is what Satan tries to get us confused with.

By Genesis 3:15, the Godheads' plan to introduce the SON OF MAN, was activated.

Satan Took Adams dominion. Adam could have evicted Satan right then__but he protected Eve, and lost it. What we miss is that Satan WAS NOT HUMAN. He had to get permission from God, every time. Job 1.

If you stand back a little and look at what God had purposed already. He readied the earth. Provided creatures and food for all. Formed Adam to have dominion over all of it. Of course satan was jealous. But he was a snake and crafty. Isa.14 says he's short and covered in snakes, with a I WILL bad attitude.

Generations flow by and Creation waited for Jesus to be born. He had to be born Human. The whole Bible is Gods gift to you. Read often. You'll see the patience of God.

Jesus as a human, shed his blood over humanity and the earth; to win back dominion and authority over evil. He gives that to US HUMANS.

Antichrist will submit to be possessed by Satan. Losing his own soul.

We are living in exciting times! May we all follow Jesus to that Final Battle! Hallelujah to our King. He's taking us to heaven soon; CAUGHT UP in the clouds. Be Ready & look for the sign: abomination of desolation in Jerusalem.