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Astrology is the use of Planets to divine events by.

Biblical Astronomy neglects the use of planets for Signs and Seasons.

The lunar month is biblical in respect to events as is the sun.

The Rosh or head of every month according to scripture is not Astrology in any way.

The Rosh is the first observed crescent moon as seen from Jerusalem.

There is more, in fact the scriptures we have are frequented with celestial references because before the Written Word in script, it was and still is up there in the creation. It was once a mysyery (now often obfuscated in errors in traditions and religions) but the first Unveiling of Christ was to Adam who needed Hope. Genesis 3:15 and the Hope of a born redeemer is the summary of much that could never fill volumes of books, once recorded for posterity by Ham and Shem in their Hope-centric post flood cultures.

His star is Sirius.

It Proceeds at sunrise every day and moves westward until it sets for 70 days to re-emerge.

Look at it in a telescope. The Acceptable year was the year Sirius rose before the sun did and appeared beet red.

That is what Daniel taught in captivity to the astronomical observers whose offspring watched diligently for the promised sign.

Sirius's annual helical rise was the New Year on the Nile. They looked too for a kinsman redeemer, a King and Shepherd with a crook and Was staff.

The Was staff is an astronomical tool to determine the Celestial Meridian with a plumb bob. A year based on the helical rise of Sirius is 365.25 days long. Still is.

When The new year was observed it was the Jubilee up and down the nile. When Jesus read from Isaiah, he was declaring that the acceptable year ( Sirius bloomed) was his. In Revelation 22, he declares that he is the Morning Star, Not a planet. The Alpha and Omega reference requires more ink to teach but it has to do with celestial time and this present and last processional cycle of earth history the end of which is framed in the last celestial age/step Matt 24: 3

Hello Roberta. Not knowing the exact nature of the matter or conflict between you & your granddaughter, I can only share some verses for you to look up & take to heart. I hope that they will minister to you both at your points of need. You can hover over the Scriptures with your mouse/pointing device or look them up in the Bible (also given here on this KJBO Site).

James 4:10; Ephesians 4:31,32; John 15:12; Romans 12:9,10; Philippians 2:3,4; Colossians 3:12-16; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7; Ephesians 4:2,3; Galatians 5:22-26; John 13:34,35 (given to re-emphasize John 15:12).

My granddaughter needs u to speak to me so that whatever is going on in the both of us Lord help us so that our relationship will always be godly so that I can be taught the word so I c as n be led do we n a rigious path I w as my go back and correct but help me lord

This is always a good chapter to return to it warms me up inside !

The Beginning !

Hi Evelyn.

Genesis 3:15. is very a pivotal verse.

It establishes the parameters by which God will redeem His people from their sin.

The seed of the woman is Christ.

The seed of the serpent can be the Antichrist or much broader. "ALL that is ANTI-CHRIST as mentioned in 1 John 2:18.

All the prophesies concerning the coming of Christ centers around this verse. Also Christ deity is presented here. "The seed of the woman". Biologically the seed is of the man. And also geneogically the seed of the man is always mentioned biblically. but Christ had no earthly father. This is amplified in Isaiah 7:14. This is Gods foresight!

This presents the second Adam mentioned in 1st. Cor 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit.

What Satan took away from the first Adam, "Dominion over all the earth"

Genesis 1:26.

The last Adam "Jesus" Redeemed it and us by way of the cross. lifting the curse. Romans 8:19-23.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Hi Chris

In Luke 1 Mary is told she would conceive in her womb.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

That indicated to me that the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ was similar to all births.

The difference was that it happened because the Holy Spirit planted the seed of God into Mary.

The seed of God impregnated the seed of the women producing the Lord Jesus Christ.

His birth was the same as all babies born of women. How each and everyone of us are born.

Jesus is before Abraham ( John 8:58) but is that physically or in Gods mind?

Consider Genesis 3:15 the seed of the women.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is the seed of the women. This is a future event. It hasn't happened yet.

This is long before Abraham is even mentioned. Before Abraham was, I am.

The character of Jesus is mention in the time of Adam and Eve. Right at the beginning of the world.

Jesus is before all others in scripture but he wasn't physically formed until his conception and his birth by Mary.

He was in Gods mind right from the creation of the earth in the time of Adam and Eve.

God will and does say things exist even of they don't at this moment.

When God says things will happen then be sure they will.

It does not mean they are physically there now. Rest assured they will happen but in Gods good time.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

I'm out of space.

Thanks

What exactly does Gen 3:15 mean?

Let me help you out with these two parts brother (by the way, I agree mostly with the above stated because you encourage all to live Holy as Christ ought for us to be):

"Christians cannot work for money( Matthew 6:24

Let's take a look at the first statement. Christians cannot work for money. All Christians (although I'll admit - I don't always like doing so) must work/labor. The Apostle Paul worked as a tent maker during his early years preaching. Genesis 3:19 is one curse brought upon man (for the sin man brought into the world) that all men must bare today:

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Genesis 3:19

"Christians do Not pay taxes (Render to Caesar what is his and to God what belongs to Him, what belongs to God?)"

Christ looked at the denarian and realized this is a law of exchange of the world. God know we live in the world but we serve God in His Kingdom. God asked to render unto Caesar (taxes) what belongs to Caesar that all those who live in the world must give to the earthbound kingdom. Then Christ says what is rendered unto him which is to the Eternal Kingdom of God.

Either one of these may seem desirable but this home is temporary brother. Once we're rejoined with the Lord -- we'll only labor unto him and only render unto Christ Jesus. What a day that will be! I'll see you there and God bless you!

Yes, better than some of us, but does not believe it.

JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

He told us to sell all

Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

Luke 12:33 to the disciples

Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

And his disciples approve

Acts 2:44-45

Acts 4:33-34

Luke 18:28-30

Matthew 4:18-24

But who will go to heaven

Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

Luke 18:24-25

Mark 10:17-31

Matthew 5:3

Luke 6:20

James 2:5

But where does that put the rich?

Luke 6:24-25

James 5:1-3

What is the root of all evil?

1 timothy 6:10

Genesis 3

Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

Genesis 3:17-19

Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Luke 17:28

But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

Revelation 13

But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.

Satan; as you probably know from verses such as Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 was a Cherub; and acquainted with worship involving music as his talent inbred; as it were by God. He would have been one of the "sons of God" mentioned in Job before he fell; glorifying God when the earth was created. Of course Satan's own conversation quoting scriptures during the temptation after Christ had fasted 40 days in the wilderness; not to mention the things that he himself said in Genesis are recorded in the Bible. Satan is; after all "the accuser of the saints"; therefore as he accused the High Priest Joshua and the angel had to say "the Lord rebuke you"; as well as when Jude brings out the proper approach in this manner when opposing these evil principalities means we are to take our adversary seriously. Satan possessed Judas Iscariot directly when Jesus addressed him "what you do; do quickly". He also will be controlling Antichrist who is possessed by the demon from the pit; and in order to gain worship for himself will have the image of himself worshipped. Again; he knows his own doom; as surely the demons did when asking Jesus if he was sending them "before the time" to the bottomless pit. Satan has to obtain permission from God; and of course has his minions under him; who will be cast out when 1/3 of the angels fight Michael and lose. Surely Satan knows his doom; although he is apparently insane; trying everything to destroy us "accusing us day and night" (Revelation). He prowls like a "roaring lion; seeking who he may devour" (James). He is working with principalities ruling over nations; and knows that his hold over death is defeated; as now those in Christ go to be with him directly "to be absent from the body is present with the Lord." There is no longer a hold in Hades for the righteous; and Christ's victory was declared there after he died. Satan knows the Word and the twisting of it for his gain is his greatest weapon.

There will be a bodily resurrection. That is what occurred with Jesus and that is what will occur with us. His body is not in the tomb, not because it was destroyed, but because it was raised from being a body of flesh and blood to being an incorruptible spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 indicates our current body is the seed that dies, but that leads to it being raised in glory like Christ's body. There is a connection between the two states, like you can't sow a fig tree seed and grow an orange tree. The issue in 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 is that there were those denying there will be a future resurrection of believers after they die. Paul says denying that is the same as denying that Jesus rose from the dead and that such a faith is in vain. Objecting based on our inability to work out the details of how God will do this and our inability to discern what kind of body God will raise as a result of the resurrection causes Paul to call those using these questions to scoff at this doctrine "you fool" in 1 Corinthians 15:36

The body is dust, and so it will return to dust Genesis 3:19, but that will not prevent it from being raised to glory like Christ's body any more than it prevented God from creating our earthly body from dust in the first place. Christians have been burned alive for their faith, so that will not stop God from raising them either. However, there are strong indications that the early church did not practice burning the remains of those that died who were not burned at the hands of their enemies. So I personally will go with that tradition.

Yes. Absolutely. Satan quoted scripture to Jesus word for word as temptation. I believe in the book of Matthew if not others.

Satan is a fallen angel who knew more about heaven than we do. He was jealous and wanted the powers and glory of God for himself. He possesses biblical knowledge in which he can use to bring disruption and sin into our lives.

Many today are familiar with scripture but do not serve God. Some biblical scholars have even turned atheist or similar due to the lies of Satan.

Trust in the Lord with all of your heart! The word is living and remains true.

God Bless!

Ty

Satan knows the Bible but he doesn't believe nor understand it. Even as Christ spoke His words in parable those of the world (including Satan) knew the words...but didn't understand. Not due to lack of wisdom but ignorance in lack of belief.

John 1:5

"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

does satan know the bible?

Genesis 3:15 or maybe Genesis 2:23-24

What does the verse mean exactly in Genesis 3:15 when God was talking to the serpent? ..It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Hebrews 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

While some commentators say the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament only applied to believers under the law that came to faith after Jesus died, many say this applied to all sins committed by God's elect in all ages who had the faith of Hebrews 11:6 that pleased God. I take the later view. Also Hebrews 11:40 and Hebrews 12:1 show that the people in Hebrews 11 ultimately had their faith made perfect when we entered into the New Covenant.

They also had the first messianic promise of the Seed of the woman in the curse God uttered against the serpent immediately after the fall before he curse woman and man ( Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.)

The old testament was a progressive revelation of the promise within the serpent's curse in numerous ways. It was always expanded by God making other promises, like the promised multiplying of the seed of Abraham like the stars in the heavens which Abraham believed and by that faith was counted righteous. The Messianic Psalms of David. The prophesied Servant of Isaiah. The prophesied New Covenant of Jeremiah. And those are just a small sample of these kinds of promises. We know 2 Corinthiand 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. I believe Jesus was always an inseparable part of every promise God ever made in the Old Testament from the moment He made them and that is what those old testament saints were believing in, even if only seen in shadow. Even we still only know in part and see through a glass darkly when we look at God's prophetic promises 1 Corinthians 13:9-12.

I will make an attempt here. First of all; there is no purpose set forth of man that can thwart the plan of God. Ultimately; the One who is to rule and reign over Israel as king also had to fulfill the role of Prophet and Priest. Clearly, according to the N.T. no one can fulfill the law perfectly; so the perfect lamb of God had to be sacrificed. He is the "Ancient of Days" who would come as the "Son of David" from the earthly lineage described on the mother's side but also with references to the father's lineage.

There are clearly failures; as the whole Promised Land was never taken. The Philistines; for instance are where the modern day Palestinians reside; and many other ancient controversies will only be settled at the return of Christ to set up His Millennial Kingdom. We must look back to God's first promises to man; in the garden and Genesis 3:16 to see that the Messiah was always part of the plan. The next covenant of the rainbow was God's promise; not even based on what man did. EVERY prophet had failings; including Moses; the only one said to talk to God as though a friend; and was used to intercede much in the same way Christ did. But he failed when he struck the rock in anger; much as anger led him to the other sin of killing the Egyptian setting back the deliverance perhaps from when it could have begun. As far as I know; Samuel himself didn't have any recorded sin; although clearly all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Much of 1 and 2 Samuel have to do with Saul and God's dealings with David and the Philistines. As part of God's lineage; surely Satan used Saul with his 21 attempts to kill David to attempt to thwart God's plan. David's failings were costly; and there is a reference to him being a man of war keeping him from building the Temple Solomon did. Of course; Solomon in all his riches failed not heeding God's warnings. God remains faithful; as Deuteronomy states even in the last days and Tribulation.

I was taught in the original language, that

Man means both man and woman.

"woman-means man with a womb"

Mankind, means men and women.

I welcome comment on that per the Hebrew language that Moses used.

Please note: Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 5:1-2,

If it says man in the original Hebrew then that's what I want it translated as . I want to know what it actually says not what people think it should say . If we r going to take huge liberties with the translation then we r asking for trouble . This is God's Word , not a politically correct manifesto . God's Word is pure and righteous and not to b questioned by humans . Believe it or don't believe it , that's up to u , I hope I won't allow this world's agenda to stop u from reading the Bible with an open heart and mind . God has an awesome message for u . Please don't give up just because it may not seem politically correct to u .

It seems Adam and Eve are mentioned but in Gen 3:24

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

He drove out man, what happened to woman, should man be translated human. Thank you

Hi Pam. We see this pronoun ('us') used also in Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 11:7, but we should not understand that God, in these instances, is speaking of Himself & the other beings in Heaven. Rather, we learn that all of the Godhead (i.e. the Divine Beings within the Person of God) were active in these instances where they interacted with mankind.

1 John 5:7 reads, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one", reminds us that for God to be Who He is, His Word (now Jesus as man & in Heaven), & His Spirit, are all one in the Godhead & yet separated (or, sent out) for the performance of God's Will. So when God uses 'Us', we can understand that the all-inclusive God is declaring His Deity (His Unity in Triunity) & this fact should be seen in those instances where they are revealed to us (in His creation of man & His dealings with man).

Who is 3:22 is the Lord referring to when he mentions that Adam has become as one of us? This is the second time since I began reading Genesis that I've noticed a comment like this.

Hello, Chris

Adam and Eve we free to eat the fruit of every other tree but the one of the knowledge of good and evil. So it is most likely they ate from these other trees before they ate from the forbidden tree, We do not know which fruit they ate first.

What was the fruit eaten.by Adam ans Eve.?

Jesus did not become the Son of Man until he was born HUMAN.

The teaching is, that earth and creation was made for man (translates as male or female).

Only Humans had Been given DOMINION; power and authority to use it. Satan stole it when Adam and Eve sinned. Satan was created. He had no authority to be on earth as Human. His first form was as a serpent. His fallen angelic form, took possession of that serpent to deceive the humans.

Jesus Took Back the dominion ( Genesis 3:15) from Satan at the CROSS. He crushed Satan's head (power).

Please understand this. Satan has no authority or power over BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS.

We don't have to lay down and suffer Satans threats or oppression. He cannot get inside of Believers in Jesus. We have the Holy Spirit indwelling inside of our born again spirits given to us through Jesus.

We have the authority and the power to command Satan to GET OUT of our lives, our family, our homes, job opportunities, relatives. Our prayers have power, but we have to accept it and use it. Our relationship to Jesus needs to become close. We can only do that by getting into the Bible and soaking up scriptures for ourself.

If someone hands you a billion dollars, and you only use it, one hamburger and French fries at a time__you can't see what Jesus provided for you. Scriptures are your weapons. ( Matthew 12:43-45). The evil spirits come back ever so often to see if you really meant for them to move out. Reaffirm As Needed. Ephesians 6: they are invisible, but when "all hell" breaks loose, in your world: it's time to fight back with your ARSENAL OF WEAPONS. Memorize the scriptures. Ask the Holy Spirit to bring them to your mind; in the heat of battle.

Walking free of hidden sun, or forgotten sin, can be dealt with at 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1-2 + 2:20. The Holy One is the Holy Spirit.

We are HUMANS and beloved of God. Let's walk in the provision Jesus purchased in Blood.

Mishael

The phrases "Son of man" and "Son of God" are used for Jesus Christ to refer to His humanity and deity. The message of scripture was that Jesus Christ was both God and man. What follows below is a fuller explanation of both terms.

"Son of Man" has messianic overtones and refers to person of human descendent. It refers to the Messiah who would born of a virgin ( Genesis 3:15; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; Micah 5:2). It is a title of the Messiah, who is Jesus Christ.

Son of Man - New Testament

The phrase "Son of Man" occurs 88 times in the New Testament and only four times outside of the gospels. In the New Testament, the term has additional meaning. It still refers to a human, but it is also a title for Jesus Christ. Jesus was the ultimate human. He was God in human flesh.

In summary, when "Son of Man" is used as a title it refers to the humanity of Jesus Christ and "Son of God" refers to the deity of Christ. Both terms were used of Christ because He was man, and He was God. "Son of Man" also referred to the Messiah. The Jews understood the meaning of these terms. Today, we focus in on the word "son" and sometimes are not aware that both expressions had special meanings.

Together, they mean that Jesus was completely man and He was completely God. He was the God-man. He was the eternal, holy God who came in human flesh. Without being a man, He could not have died. If He was not God, He would have been a sinner. But as the God-man, He was the sinless man - the perfect sacrifice - a sinless sacrifice for our sins. He returned to life and ascended back to heaven. Praise the Lord!

Genesis 1:26-28, "them" "be fruitful & multiply" Genesis 1:31,

Note Genesis 3:24 "drove out the man" singular, Genesis 3:23, "from the Garden of Eden" Genesis 3:22, "the man" is become like one of us, to know good & evil" is this religion?

* Note, Genesis 4:14 ._._." everyone thst findeth me shall slay._." proof more people in earth. Genesis 4:15,

* Genesis 4:16, appears she was from Nod.

Likewise in Genesis 4:23, the man that was slain wasn't mentioned here.

If you read & study the WORD of GOD, many times you will notice names & several other details are left out at times. 1Kings 17:9-24, same Widow? = Luke 4:26, Luke 7:12, Luke 21:2-3, yet many names are mentioned, when studying often times their names come up again, helping understand a more vast picture. Genesis 6:1-2, is this also in reference to Genesis 4:19, ?

Note Genesis 5, generation of Adam leaves out Cain, Abel & all other people. Again: Genesis 5:1-2, Gen 5:3, "male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day they were created" = them, their, they.

Hopefully this is helpful