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Does this also represent Jesus s judgement over the earth or even deeper when, after his crucifixion he spent three days in hell sheol preaching to the fallen angels: 1 Peter 3:18-20. Will even some of these go back to serving God?

Indeed God controls time and seasons and He is never late. He will never share HIS glory with man over anyone He has anointed for a purpose. The Bible is true that 'A MAN CANNOT RECEIVE ANYTHING EXCEPT IT BE GIVEN HIM FROM HEAVEN ' John 3 27 If the Chief Butler had used his 'connection ' with Pharaoh to bring Joseph out that time, God would not have been fully glorified and Joseph would not have become the Prime Minister of Egypt as he would probably have escaped back to his father Jacob . God is infinitely wise! Another lesson i learnt from this Chapter is that regardless of whatever trials and challenges we might be facing, we should seek to do good as Joseph did by asking after the welfare of the Chief Butler and Chief Baker. Indeed our gifts will eventually speak for us! May God help us to use all He has deposited in us for His Glory and Honour alone in Jesus Name

Pharaoh upon hearing the interpretation was never the less skeptical as to the accuracy of the prediction and demanded that Joseph give him a sign. The following was not short of a tragedy as Joseph prophesized that Pharaoh's wife, pregnant and about to give birth would do so in a few days' time and on the day she would give birth Pharaoh's son, now a few years old, would die. Joseph was return to the dungeon and only when the foretelling came true, was he taken out and installed as regent of all the Egyptian empire

It should be understood that at the time of Joseph's incarceration, the pharaoh of this time was not an Egyptian but from a nomadic tribe, the Hyksos (a people from West Asia who took over the eastern Nile Delta, ending the Thirteenth dynasty of Egypt and initiating the Second Intermediate Period. "Hyksos" derives from the Egyptian expression hekau en khaswet [HkAw n xAswt] ("rulers of foreign lands"). When Abraham lost his wife Sarah he took a third wife by the name of K'turah and it is said that the rulers of that time were descendants of the offspring of K'turah, thus easing the meeting between Joseph and Pharaoh.

When Pharaoh asked Joseph for the answer to his strange dreams Pharaoh remembered the dreams but even though the Lord had given him the answer it escaped him, therefore when Joseph explained it to him the whole story clicked in. Many times we remember a place or person but only when someone else runs off a list of names do we suddenly stop them at the name we wanted and that is what happened here.

A question is raised as how is it possible that a person has his life spared and this was prophisised by another and yet something so seriouse can be forgotten. Well the scriptures we read are not only there so we can marvel at the greatness of our fore fathers, they are there to educate us through their mistakes. Joseph after saying that all he says comes not from him but from G-d stangely enough slipped up. He said to the chief buttler not to forget him. He placed his fate in the hands of a mortal. G-d punished him by leaving Joseph in the prison another two years and it was the Lord he caused the buttler to forget.

In and around the ancient Mediteranian area no man could be a slave and then in due course become a king. This was an ethical NO-NO. When Joseph stated that he had been stolen and not only was he not a slave he had a aristocratic line running way back to Ever(Eretz ha Ivrim)He knew that he would rise to gteatness and therefor prepared his way by denying the fact that he was a slave and making known from where he came.

In the hebrew text it states twice the fact the Joseph was stolen. Generally this points to a "closed subject". When G-d lays down a demand it may appear twice ( remember... and don't forget) so why was the theft mention twice?
The reason being that when the Midians Camel train had passed the pit, into which he had been thrown, having pulled Joseph out ,thought he was a slave, and they stole him.When that same camel train passed the brothers, who were sitting not far away,were stopped by the brothers and they demanded to know what the Midiams were doing with the "young man" they replide that they had fond this slave.The brothers on the other hand did not deny that fact and promptly sold him for a meager price. Now the fact that the brothers did not demand the return of their brother, gave weight to the Midians calling Joseph a slave. This was a lie and in keeping quiet and not righting a wrong was the second theft ( in hebrew this is steeling of knowledge/truth)
I have much more if you are interested

@André,
On verse 10 :
1. This verse gives some real insight on the plan of salvation that God has set up through his son Jesus Christ;
2. The wine is new wine which represents the blood of the New Testament from the law to grace (Mathew 26:28,29; Mark 14:24,25), the wine is grape juice ( Genesis 40:11) or non alcoholic new wine or you have to remove 1 Peter 5:8 from the scriptures;
3. At gatherings of importance the best wines are served first and as time goes on and people taste buds become less reliable, then the host breaks out the not as good wine;
4. God always serves the good stuff for last just like salvation, the salvation we have here on earth is good, but the when we get to heaven, it's the best for last;
5. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

Who God blesses no man can curse no weapon that is formed against God's chosen can ever prosper. God was with Joseph from day one throughout all that he endured by the hands of every one that hated him; all that was to bring glory and honor to the loving God who will never cease to protect his children. Whatever trials we go through is only for our good it strengthens us to continue doing the will of our father. Joseph was a man after Gods own heart. God knew who Joseph was and what he stood for and he protected him.

When God is with you, He is with you. You can be rejected by family, falsely accused and cast into prison. BUT He is still with you. The path He has designated for us we must follow....

We see God's intervention in the life of Joseph. He was planned to be killed but God being in Rueben did protect him. Next they threw him in the pit but God was in the pit with Joseph. Afterwards he was sold to Potiphar as a servant but God blessed the house of Potiphar. He was accused by his wife for nothing and he was cast into the prison but God was there in the prison with him. We just can imagine how loving our great God is. He doesn't leave us anywhere and desperate and defeated. Joseph has proven himself and has seen the glory of God in all these circumstances but he has yet to see more of God, that's why when he tells the man to make mention of him to Pharaoh he forgets. Joseph seems to be little bit faithless in this occasion but it is up to God. God wanted people to see God's presence in the life of Joseph.

When the butler is restored to his position,he forgets Joseph, and once again Joseph suffers another set back. Yet Joseph accepts it as the will of God, because God moves in the fulness of time. Joseph has one more dream to interpret. Wait I say unto the Lord, and he shall lift thee up at the appointed time. We must trust the Lord is moving in our circumstances causing all things to work together for good to those who love the Lord, and are called according to his Purpose. God intends for us to look just like Jesus, so he alone knows just how much suffering we must endure to be molded into the image of his dear son. Praise God for this truth, for you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

what do I think about acts 5:30 Is the same as I think about, acts 13:29 / acts 10:39/ esther 2:23/ deut 21:23/Galations 3:13/ 1 peter 2:24/ deut 21:22/ Genesis 40:19.they all say tree

We must learn to tell the truth, regardless, whether the news is good for the individual or bad. If we have understanding, we must bless those around us with it, whether they agree or disagree.

Isn't it amazing how regaurdless of how many times he was falsly accused, joseph prospered anyways( People could see the lord through him).This is where a christian stands today.Picked on, lied about( FALSLEY aCCUSED). Lets be like joseph and let the lord work and shine thru us.It worked for him.

this is a very interested chapter. the reading about two men that was once favored by their master, one restored the other killed. only because they did not show love and respect to their master. this is how i feel that we as christians showed so GOD love and respect for HIS grace and mercy