For Genesis 44:28, you would need to look back to Genesis 37:3-36 to learn the full account.
And to your other question about Joseph's rise from being a slave and then sold to the Egyptians to then becoming an overseer over Pharaoh's kingdom, you can read about that in Genesis chapters 39 to 41 (that the LORD was with Joseph in spite of a false accusation which put him in prison). If you need other questions answered or commentary on a particular verse, we will be happy to oblige you.
Regarding v5 of this reading: cup used by Joseph for divination.
Absent absolute proof, my contention is Joseph gave instruction to his steward in order to keep up his image as an Egyptian.
Through out his time of walking with the LORD and hearing from GOD:
-He never ever used heathen practices; the Bible never alluded nor made mention of it.
-He always gave glory to the LORD for every time he was used by the LORD or made a declaration in HIS Name.
-He did not need the cup to discern where it was because he put it in Benjamin's bag
-If he did need it to divine its where about, it would have been impossible because he did not have have it. Or he could have called on the magicians and priest of the land.
In which case he would not have, because of his trust and obedience unto his LORD GOD JEHOVAH.
Praise the LORD for HIS goodness and love for us. Praying for our nation and leadership. God to shine HIS face on all who are on this platform.
Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,
Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,
Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,
Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,
Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,
John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,
The term is also used to describe a Hebrew custom which indicated deep sorrow. Upon the death of a relative or important personage, or when there was a great calamity, it was customary for the Hebrews to tear their garments. Reuben rent his clothes when he found that Joseph had been taken from the pit ( Genesis 37:29). The sons of Jacob rent their clothes when the cup was found in Benjamin's sack ( Genesis 44:13). A messenger came to Eli with his clothes rent to tell of the taking of the ark of God and of the death of his two sons ( 1 Samuel 4:12). David rent his garments when he heard that Absalom had slain his brothers ( 2 Samuel 13:31). See also 2 Samuel 15:32; 2 Kings 18:37; Isaiah 36:22; Jeremiah 41:5. Rending of clothes was also an expression of indignation. The high priest rent his garment when Jesus spoke what he thought was blasphemy ( Matthew 26:65).
God bless that is wonderfull we are all learning so much here it is very good to fellowship with other believers ,and learn new things! You are very informative.We will be talking again I believe. o o o o o oo oo ooo ooo Those Holy breadcrumbs that fall from God's table.They keep the heart strong,vibrant,and stable.o o o o o o o o o
God bless Here is the verse 2nd kings 18:4 He removed the high places,and brake the images,and cut down the groves,and brake the brasen serpent that Moses had made:for unto those day's the children of Israel did burn incense to it ,and called it Nehushtan.5:He trusted in the LORD GOD of Israel ;so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah,nor any that were before him.
With respect and affection in Christ dear brother or sister . I believe u r mistaken and don't understand the significance of this event . Read John Ch 3 V 14 and 15 . See how these two passages r connected ? What is the significance of the serpent ? of the brass ? of the outcome of the situation for those who believed and showed their faith in the wilderness ? and in Christ crucified . U need to connect these two passages and understand how and why they r connected . I'm sure I will c the truth of the matter .
In these times God allowed these things amulets,snake on a stick,to ward of the snakes ,and other things.As the faith in God grew they were taken away to put their faith totally on God.You will see later in the bible that the snake on a stick was destroyed because they started to worship it.God is a jealous God.
We know God communicated with Joseph and turned the bad his brothers did too good, and to save the twelve tribes of Israel. I do not believe God communicated through a silver cup to Joseph but in Egypt, at that time they used cups or basins with water for divination (hydromancy), the cup was considered sacred.
That is why it is worded "whereby indeed he divineth". That was why it was so important for the men sent to retrieve the cup. With all the things God did through Joseph, the Egyptian's probably thought the cup was how he did it. We know that was not the case. Hydromancy is still done today; it is like reading tea leaves. Nostradamus did this over a basin, dark stuff.
I found the commentary helpful on this chapter. Especially where the author speaks of Joseph testing the brothers concerning their affections or lack of for Benjamin. That surely must have been music to Joseph's ears.
This chapter continues the story of Joseph and is brothers in Egypt. Jacob and his sons did exactly as Joseph had asked of them. They brought Benjamin. Joseph devised a plan to keep Benjamin with him with the being put in Benjamin's sack.
The brothers told Joseph that their father would surely die of grief if Benjamin did not return with them. So, the drama continues!
I find it interesting that the text says that Joseph used the cup for divination. Was this part of his Egyptian training or was it part of the gift of dreams, and fore telling that God had given him?
Good, you're at the right site. Start reading the WORD written inside by clicking the Books, I like Luke when I started that was great to show me as new study who Christ Jesus was, is & is to come. Hover over the scripture here, should bring you straight to it.
Luke 1:1-4, you can continue to read by clicking read full chapter the scroll down, click tab on edges to next chapter, etc. Many people enjoy Psalms, I didn't enjoy it as much as a new beginner study but do enjoy it much more now after years of study.
Psalms 1:1-3,
U may enjoy Exodus, which actually begins in Genesis 37:1-36, continues : Genesis 39:1-23, Genesis 40:1-23, Genesis 41:1-57, Genesis 42:1-38, Genesis 43:1-34, Genesis 44:1-34,
[Note this scripture chapter 44, Genesis, if you noticed we skipped Genesis 38, because it jumps from Joseph to Judah. Now if you read Genesis 38:1-30, you can understand a few things on deeper level = Judah maybe knows painful loss of children at this point in his life & even the difference of love towards children of his "loved wife". Next very importance of Judah's sacrifice for others, resemblance of Jesus sacrifice being beloved Son of GOD. John 3:16, ]also interesting Tamar, bore to Judah the son in Jesus documented lineage Matthew 1:1-3]
Back to story : Genesis 45:1-28, (forgiveness), Genesis 46:1-34, Genesis 47:1-12 (Redemption) Genesis 47:27-31,
Now note: Genesis 47:13-26 , Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 12:10, Genesis 12:11-16, * Genesis 12:13-20, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:6-11, Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 21:8-21, my own opinion Deuteronomy 32:35-36, Romans 12:19.
These moments in Genesis leading up to how & why Israel came into bondage. Exodus 1:1-8, continue reading Exodus 1:22, please continue to read all of Exodus.
One more encouraging note :) Hebrews 11:22, Psalms 105:1-45,
Furthermore on this site under the 1611 Version tab you can scroll to see more history on the Bible.
Hopefully these inspire a new lifetime desire of deeper study
Gen 44 now Joseph is an Egyptian it is an abomination to to eat with Hebrews. Nevertheless Joseph held no ill will against hi brothers for it was the will of God for him to go through 2 accomplish what God had planned for his life. This should teach us how to love and forgive. God loved us so much that He gave his only son and forgave us our sins so that we could be reconciled back to the Father.
Joseph tried how his brethren felt towards Benjamin. Had they envied and hated the other son of Rachel as they had hated him, and if they had the same want of feeling towards their father Jacob as heretofore, they would now have shown it. When the cup was found upon Benjamin, they would have a pretext for leaving him to be a slave. But we cannot judge what men are now, by what they have been formerly; nor what they will do, by what they have done. The steward charged them with being ungrateful, rewarding evil for good; with folly, in taking away the cup of daily use, which would soon be missed, and diligent search made for it; for so it may be read, Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, as having a particular fondness for it, and for which he would search thoroughly? Or, By which, leaving it carelessly at your table, he would make trial whether you were honest men or not? They throw themselves upon Joseph's mercy, and acknowledge the righteousness of God, perhaps thinking of the injury they had formerly done to Joseph, for which they thought God was now reckoning with them. Even in afflictions wherein we believe ourselves wronged by men, we must own that God is righteous, and finds out our sin.
Google your verse, and type 'commentary' after it to read other commentaries.
God made the life of Joseph and all the times that went over him, for being a type of Christ; for giving instruction, and for a law in Israel. As great famine spread over the whole world, in order to bring everyone to "Joseph" for food, and ended up being the means God would deal with "Joseph's" brethren, to bring them to repentance and reconciliation; so the end of this age for the sake of Israel
Joseph tested his brothers to see if their attitudes had changed. Their protection and self sacrifice for their younger brother Benjamin showed that they had changed their ways.
Daniel, only the first sentence of your post is correct. The Rest of your post is incorrect because it 's not supported by Scripture in this chapter or any other chapter in the 66 books of the Holy Bible. The conversation your stated in your post between Joseph and Benjamin absolutely didn 't take. God bless us all and also in the understanding of his Word. Glory be to God in the highest through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!
Matt 44 realy talks about love,forgivnes and fulfilmnt of destny,we should knw dat our destinies must be fulfild no matter wat comes around.GOD Loves us so he gav hs son 2 die for our sins 2 be forgivn exactly wat josph did so we shuld learn hw 2 luv and forgiv ppl dat offend us
Just more proof that God 's Word is true that we reap what we sow. It took many years before truth was revealed about the sins of the brothers but God is faithful and our sins are made known. They thought selling Joseph into slavery would be the end of their little brother, but God 's plan was greater and justice was served. The agony of leaving their youngest brother in Egypt must have felt worse than death its self. They had to suffer emotional anguish over the realization that their father would grieve himself to death over the loss of the last son of his beloved Rachel.
When the brothers sat to eat, as the scriptures state each ranked according to his birth, Joseph sat opposite his brother Benyamin and while they ate, Joseph asked Benyamin to look into the stars and tell him if he could see where his brother Joseph was. The astonished young brother was shocked when the stars showed Joseph to be sitting exactly opposite him. His older brother whispered gently that that was the truth. He then told Benyamin that he would place his cup in Benyamin's sack to test if his brothers regretted their selling of Joseph into slavery. Upon checking the sack and finding the goblet the brothers were terrified at the possible outcome of the finding and tore their garments. What ensued from here on showed Joseph that they were repentant.
Judah intercedes for his brothers to Joseph, and this is a picture of the Lord Jesus interceding to the Father for his brothers, and sisters in heaven. Joseph is touched by what Judah did, and he is about to reveal to his brothers who he is. We should also intercede for our families before God everyday for their salvation. God commended his love for us in that Jesus Christ died for us while we were sinners. Joseph loved his brothers even after all they had done to him, he saw it as God meaning it for good, and not evil. May we see God in our life working all the things together for good, and not evil also.
And to your other question about Joseph's rise from being a slave and then sold to the Egyptians to then becoming an overseer over Pharaoh's kingdom, you can read about that in Genesis chapters 39 to 41 (that the LORD was with Joseph in spite of a false accusation which put him in prison). If you need other questions answered or commentary on a particular verse, we will be happy to oblige you.
Absent absolute proof, my contention is Joseph gave instruction to his steward in order to keep up his image as an Egyptian.
Through out his time of walking with the LORD and hearing from GOD:
-He never ever used heathen practices; the Bible never alluded nor made mention of it.
-He always gave glory to the LORD for every time he was used by the LORD or made a declaration in HIS Name.
-He did not need the cup to discern where it was because he put it in Benjamin's bag
-If he did need it to divine its where about, it would have been impossible because he did not have have it. Or he could have called on the magicians and priest of the land.
In which case he would not have, because of his trust and obedience unto his LORD GOD JEHOVAH.
Praise the LORD for HIS goodness and love for us. Praying for our nation and leadership. God to shine HIS face on all who are on this platform.
September 10, 2022
Please note: Genesis 29:31-35, Genesis 35:23,
Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,
Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,
Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,
Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,
Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,
John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,
Isaiah 53
Hopefully these are helpful
I agree with Richard and this may also help.
The term is also used to describe a Hebrew custom which indicated deep sorrow. Upon the death of a relative or important personage, or when there was a great calamity, it was customary for the Hebrews to tear their garments. Reuben rent his clothes when he found that Joseph had been taken from the pit ( Genesis 37:29). The sons of Jacob rent their clothes when the cup was found in Benjamin's sack ( Genesis 44:13). A messenger came to Eli with his clothes rent to tell of the taking of the ark of God and of the death of his two sons ( 1 Samuel 4:12). David rent his garments when he heard that Absalom had slain his brothers ( 2 Samuel 13:31). See also 2 Samuel 15:32; 2 Kings 18:37; Isaiah 36:22; Jeremiah 41:5. Rending of clothes was also an expression of indignation. The high priest rent his garment when Jesus spoke what he thought was blasphemy ( Matthew 26:65).
God bless.
I need to correct myself
ApepApop was the Egyptian name for the serpent God
Ba'al was also named Moloch Hadad Nd Melcham
Asherah was also called Ashroreth, Ishtar, Inani
Sorry, it is easy to
Get names mixed up as which ones Match.
We know God communicated with Joseph and turned the bad his brothers did too good, and to save the twelve tribes of Israel. I do not believe God communicated through a silver cup to Joseph but in Egypt, at that time they used cups or basins with water for divination (hydromancy), the cup was considered sacred.
That is why it is worded "whereby indeed he divineth". That was why it was so important for the men sent to retrieve the cup. With all the things God did through Joseph, the Egyptian's probably thought the cup was how he did it. We know that was not the case. Hydromancy is still done today; it is like reading tea leaves. Nostradamus did this over a basin, dark stuff.
God bless,
RLW
it just struck me as odd. maybe I can find it said differently in another translation to clarify.
not divination. Just sharing some word.
the rest of His family there, the true God does not use divination. Just making a point, Joseph walked with God so
God was showing Him the whole time what to do and how to do it.
The brothers told Joseph that their father would surely die of grief if Benjamin did not return with them. So, the drama continues!
I find it interesting that the text says that Joseph used the cup for divination. Was this part of his Egyptian training or was it part of the gift of dreams, and fore telling that God had given him?
Luke 1:1-4, you can continue to read by clicking read full chapter the scroll down, click tab on edges to next chapter, etc. Many people enjoy Psalms, I didn't enjoy it as much as a new beginner study but do enjoy it much more now after years of study.
Psalms 1:1-3,
U may enjoy Exodus, which actually begins in Genesis 37:1-36, continues : Genesis 39:1-23, Genesis 40:1-23, Genesis 41:1-57, Genesis 42:1-38, Genesis 43:1-34, Genesis 44:1-34,
[Note this scripture chapter 44, Genesis, if you noticed we skipped Genesis 38, because it jumps from Joseph to Judah. Now if you read Genesis 38:1-30, you can understand a few things on deeper level = Judah maybe knows painful loss of children at this point in his life & even the difference of love towards children of his "loved wife". Next very importance of Judah's sacrifice for others, resemblance of Jesus sacrifice being beloved Son of GOD. John 3:16, ]also interesting Tamar, bore to Judah the son in Jesus documented lineage Matthew 1:1-3]
Back to story : Genesis 45:1-28, (forgiveness), Genesis 46:1-34, Genesis 47:1-12 (Redemption) Genesis 47:27-31,
Now note: Genesis 47:13-26 , Genesis 12:1-3, Genesis 12:10, Genesis 12:11-16, * Genesis 12:13-20, Genesis 16:3, Genesis 16:6-11, Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 21:8-21, my own opinion Deuteronomy 32:35-36, Romans 12:19.
These moments in Genesis leading up to how & why Israel came into bondage. Exodus 1:1-8, continue reading Exodus 1:22, please continue to read all of Exodus.
One more encouraging note :) Hebrews 11:22, Psalms 105:1-45,
Furthermore on this site under the 1611 Version tab you can scroll to see more history on the Bible.
Hopefully these inspire a new lifetime desire of deeper study
Joseph tried how his brethren felt towards Benjamin. Had they envied and hated the other son of Rachel as they had hated him, and if they had the same want of feeling towards their father Jacob as heretofore, they would now have shown it. When the cup was found upon Benjamin, they would have a pretext for leaving him to be a slave. But we cannot judge what men are now, by what they have been formerly; nor what they will do, by what they have done. The steward charged them with being ungrateful, rewarding evil for good; with folly, in taking away the cup of daily use, which would soon be missed, and diligent search made for it; for so it may be read, Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, as having a particular fondness for it, and for which he would search thoroughly? Or, By which, leaving it carelessly at your table, he would make trial whether you were honest men or not? They throw themselves upon Joseph's mercy, and acknowledge the righteousness of God, perhaps thinking of the injury they had formerly done to Joseph, for which they thought God was now reckoning with them. Even in afflictions wherein we believe ourselves wronged by men, we must own that God is righteous, and finds out our sin.
Google your verse, and type 'commentary' after it to read other commentaries.
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